Gotta love how they are changing "we are going to kill you", then once gunshots ring out... "someone get his license plate" ... like wtf, you go from lynch Mob to call the cops, these whiny bitches have poked the bear one too many times and now we are fighting back. The left forgot we are the ones with fucking guns
He is not required to leave. If she is preventing his free travel (keeping him from getting somewhere) without legal right to do so, it is false arrest.
That's a nice interpretation of law. It is also irrelevant. In the courtroom, she will claim and her lawyer will demonstrate that she always had her back toward him and he was pushing his way into the crowd.
Considering that he also pepper sprayed her and she was one of three women he physically assaulted, no it doesn't matter. He obviously was walking around that protest assaulting whomever he could get away with assaulting.
How exactly are they related? You show a clip of BSG throwing a woman to the ground (a loathsome act). Then we have a video of BSG down the road being assaulted by three people claiming they were going to kill him and apparently trying to actually do so. BSG should be arrested for throwing the woman to the ground, no doubt. And he can press charges against her for battery (yes, what she did is textbook battery). That said, the three attacking him should be arrested for attempted murder and the one shot should be cuffed to a bed right now. See the above by DocOne if you need further explanation.
According to what the three that followed him down the road, they were following him to his car to get his license plates and report him to the police. This is what Antifa people are trained to say when they follow/attack someone down the road after they goad that person into a physical assault. It is not criminal and it is admirable to get the license plates of someone who physically assaults a woman like that. He already committed assault. Antifa will claim he stopped and committed assault again because he didn't want them finding out his license number. A court would find that reasonable.
According to what the three that followed him down the road
There were more than three. And who cares what they said they were doing? We see the video. We see the fight. We see the threat to his life in both deed and utterance. Are you sure that you yourself are not antifa? Because this is exactly the tact they would take. Don't trust your lying eyes, trust only me and the lies I tell... and if you saw the videos... you just lied.
This is what Antifa people are trained to say
Irrelevant, we have video evidence. Swearing out a statement that contradicts clearly available video evidence just earns them another charge.
It is not criminal and it is admirable
You are antifa... I could smell it on you earlier. There was nothing admirable in what they did... nothing. Getting a plate number does not require a mob threatening to attack and inflaming the situation... and that is not legal.
Antifa will claim
Again with this... WE HAVE THE VIDEO. We see everything. We see her battery, his A&B, the pursuit of the mob followed by the attack by the mob, the threats to kill him and then the threats put into action. Nothing about what you have said is true. You are LYING full stop.
yes, I was wrong. Steven Baca physically assaulted three women before the crowd chased him. They were attempting a citizen's arrest on Steven Baca which is ironic, since he was attempting to impede their crime of destroying public property.
Absolutely knew you were going to pull this outta your fourth point of contact. This was not a citizen's arrest. And there is NM case law to support this...
The arrestor must use no more than reasonably necessary force in effecting the detention, however, or he may be liable for either civil damages, criminal consequences or both. Conduct which violates our criminal statutes, such as assault, battery and false imprisonment, may also result in liability for civil damages under tort law or personal injury law. -- Alan M. Malott, 2nd Judicial District Court
A mob attacking him, bashing him over the head with a deadly weapon while shouting they were going to kill him is not a citizen's arrest. It is attempted murder. Sorry this guy shot one of your buddies but he did so in self defense. He'll do time for the A&B but the others should do time as well, especially the skateboard wielding pop-up target.
I'm not going to bother with a back and forth with you because you're very invested in Steven Baca's innocence based on self defense.
I am going to tell you why, as a conservative Republican Patriot, why I think defending him is a bad decision.
First, a list of reasons of actions he took that I don't like.
He went to a protest when he opposed what they were protesting about.
He took a gun to that protest. I'm sure you think that's a smart precaution. In many situations it is a smart precaution. In this situation, it gave him a "back up plan" in his mind that empowered him to act more recklessly.
He did act recklessly. He assaulted three women. There's video of all three assaults.
Between each assault, he left the crowd, walked around in the street or the sidewalk on the other side of the street and then re-entered the crowd. That first assault should have been a warning to his own mind that he did not have the ability to refrain from physical confrontation and escalation. Instead of re-entering the crowd, he should have just left.
The third assault is when he is being blocked by the woman. He is blocked earlier by a man using the same tactic and he doesn't do anything to the man but he does assault the woman. All the people he assault within 25 of the statue were women. Cowardly, emotional men with no self discipline pick women as targets when there are plenty of men available.
He pulls out pepper spray when he assaults the third woman. The one who appears to be blocking him. If he had the pepper spray he could have just used the pepper spray. There was no need to shove her to the ground.
He gets hit with a skateboard and it doesn't seem like a very powerful hit. He starts retreating and he's followed.
At the point, that he is hit with the skateboard again and the "knife" is flashed. Most video evidence suggest it wasn't a knife, it was glasses. There may have been more than one blow and I don't really know from who they came from or how many there were.
He can't extract himself from the situation so he draws a gun and shoots four rounds.
Everything about Steven Baca's behavior is distasteful to me. There are multiple avenues of de-escalation and retreat throughout the entire scenario, including when he's being hit while in retreat. He is aggressive, defiant, mean and prowling around looking for a fight. He got his fight.
My problem with you and others who are defending him, is that you seem to think we, as a movement, should defend him. I will never defend anyone who acts like Steven Baca. He is impulsive and emotional. He is defiant and arrogant in manner. He used his gun as a crutch instead of a tool. He is aggressive. His opposition to everyone there was too obvious and he liked it that way. He attacked that which was weaker. He ran away after each time he attacked a woman. He shot a loud mouth twerp. That twerp is fighting for his life. However much you hate the twerp, the twerp has a family, parents, possibly siblings and friends. Steven Baca completely created a situation where he could have and maybe has, ended another human being's life over a damn conquistador statue that no one cares about.
How does defending this man help our movement? I can't think of a single way in which anything he did benefits either Trump, the 2A position, patriotism or MAGA. He is a net liability and detraction. Yet, you and so many like him, are foolish enough to defend a man that is only harmful and can do no good.
If you want to discuss the law then become a lawyer. One of the first things you're going to learn is context matters. Saying that SB actions when he pulled out a gun were justified because he was "in fear for his life" (as if those words are magical incantations) is not all that matters and it won't be looked at in exclusion to the context in which he was forced to retreat.
To give an example, a criminal, who in the process of robbing a store, seriously injures a cashier and is subsequently chased by the cashier's co-workers and those co-workers beat the criminal, can not claim self-defense by shooting the co-workers because it was in the PROCESS of committing a crime. Baca committed three crimes, possibly more, before he was assaulted even one time.
Steven Baca is not on our team and he is not part of our movement. It's counterproductive and foolish to spend any time defending him.
Even without knife, even without skateboard. Ganging up on someone beating them and screaming WE ARE GOING TO KILL YOU is enough to justify. I would not convict if I was on a jury.
I mean, it was justified when he was hit on the head by a skateboard. I hope the dumbfuck who got shot survived and has learned a lesson and becomes less of a dumbfuck
If he has half a brain he has already hired criminal and civil attorneys. Start sending paper to everyone who was there. Even the police. Sue absolutely everyone. Let the judge dismiss the weak ones, that is what judges are for.
It probably was. Aggressively pushing into someone is assault/battery, and using force to stop it is justified in any jurisdiction I'm aware of. She is using unlawful force against him in furtherance of a crime, as part of a criminal organization. Why are people ignoring that part?
That's a neat little legal justification for why she is committing assault. However, in practice, she is using a common Antifa tactic. She has her back to him the entire time and is simply bopping from here to there with outstretched arms. He is moving forward into her. She is not responsible for him running into her since he is facing toward her and her back is toward him. She's even using other Antifa to signal to her whether to bop left or right.
It's no more assault or battery than when the proud boys tried to record vids and Antifa would consistently wave flags in front of the camera in a repeating motion or bop up and down in front of the camera with their open palms extended. These types of behaviors are generally not considered assault in a court of law. Antifa knows that. That's why they are trained to act in this manner to instigate trouble.
If the shooter did not understand Antifa tactics, he probably shouldn't have been trying to confront them. He had no situational awareness.
Agreed, seems like this guy was hoping those people would start beef with him so he could use his firearm in self defense. I agree that he was defending himself at the very end, but there is no doubt that he incited the mob against himself, against which he had to use a firearm to retaliate. Purple shirt was the initial dumbass.
Also, ever since TD.win split from reddit and since there is less moderation here, I find myself becoming uneasy at some comments that get upvoted and the types of things people cheer on this forum. Is it just me? Seems like people here relish these types of videos while I'm here just feeling sad that these situations escalate so much.
a lot of people on this site are jacked up on mountain dew and anger. I agree with your assessment as well. He threw that person to the ground, out of frustration and annoyance, but the final outcome was shooting someone, and this might backfire on the 2nd amendment rights debate which is not where we want to go.
all these pedes praising the shooter need a reality check; some instances it's completely justified, but this one has video footage showing otherwise...
I agree with you. His biggest problem is he didn't understand their tactics.....at all. He was completely clueless. That's why it was so easy for them to bait him.
Did you see the vid where he shoves the woman to ground about a half minute before he's hit with skateboard?
Yep, saw that one. At first I totally thought purple shirt was justified, but after watching the events leading up to the shooting (him shoving the woman to the ground), it seems like he was the initial instigator... just why???
To answer that question, I have to say I have a lot of sympathy for his motivations for being an instigator. Like many of us, he's probably angry that Antifa is getting away with this. He's probably watching the destruction, the censorship, the firings, the sheer craziness happening around him. This after months of quarantine and probably depressed wages or no wages. He wanted to lash out. He thought having the gun would be enough to protect him if he went to the Alberquerque statue topple protest and got into arguments with random protestors. I really sympathize with him. It may be the first time he had ever done anything like that.
However, he was completely unprepared for the instigating, baiting and aggressive tactics of Antifa. He was thinking they were "normies" and they aren't. He fell for every trick he used and finally at the end, he had to use his gun to save his life and fired off four rounds.
I don't think he understands how far to the left the Mayor and the appointed judges in New Mexico are. I do not think he understands that the Mayor WANTED the protestors to tear down the statue. He was thinking like a normal individual and protecting the things that most people would protect. However, that is not the intent of the Mayor and the Democrats in Alberquerque. They want the chaos.
it's sad really, because he's probably a good man and a good citizen. He just has no clue about the politics or about what's really going on at these protests. He is not a hero though. He's rather pathetic.
Good analysis. Dunno why a couple ppl downvoted. I guess they don't like hearing the poor guy was playing checkers and the people behind antifa were playing chess by comparison.
Ugh. Can't believe I wrote that.
But seriously-- he kinda played right into their hands. The people behind antifa want them to get shot. That's been the goal all along-- to broaden and deepen the fractures between americans that all of this is exposing.
is bashing a person in the head with a skateboard not assault with a deadly weapon?
It should after the current riots.
It seems to be the favorite weapon of ANTIFA's shock troops.
MOM!!!!!!!!!!!!! I need more chicken tenders to fight the fascists!
I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn’t supposed to be like this,
Gotta love how they are changing "we are going to kill you", then once gunshots ring out... "someone get his license plate" ... like wtf, you go from lynch Mob to call the cops, these whiny bitches have poked the bear one too many times and now we are fighting back. The left forgot we are the ones with fucking guns
lunch Mob? You mean to tell me those people were just hangry?
Lol stupid fat fingers
Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight!
This
good analysis.
Now do this vid.
https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1272778130877329408
Easy: he was defending himself from someone performing felony false arrest on him by impeding his movement and physically contacting him.
The court would ask this question, how was it false arrest if he could leave and she had her back to him the entire time?
He is not required to leave. If she is preventing his free travel (keeping him from getting somewhere) without legal right to do so, it is false arrest.
That's a nice interpretation of law. It is also irrelevant. In the courtroom, she will claim and her lawyer will demonstrate that she always had her back toward him and he was pushing his way into the crowd.
Doesn't matter that she kept her back to him. He went to move around her, she moved to block him. That's false arrest.
Considering that he also pepper sprayed her and she was one of three women he physically assaulted, no it doesn't matter. He obviously was walking around that protest assaulting whomever he could get away with assaulting.
How exactly are they related? You show a clip of BSG throwing a woman to the ground (a loathsome act). Then we have a video of BSG down the road being assaulted by three people claiming they were going to kill him and apparently trying to actually do so. BSG should be arrested for throwing the woman to the ground, no doubt. And he can press charges against her for battery (yes, what she did is textbook battery). That said, the three attacking him should be arrested for attempted murder and the one shot should be cuffed to a bed right now. See the above by DocOne if you need further explanation.
According to what the three that followed him down the road, they were following him to his car to get his license plates and report him to the police. This is what Antifa people are trained to say when they follow/attack someone down the road after they goad that person into a physical assault. It is not criminal and it is admirable to get the license plates of someone who physically assaults a woman like that. He already committed assault. Antifa will claim he stopped and committed assault again because he didn't want them finding out his license number. A court would find that reasonable.
There were more than three. And who cares what they said they were doing? We see the video. We see the fight. We see the threat to his life in both deed and utterance. Are you sure that you yourself are not antifa? Because this is exactly the tact they would take. Don't trust your lying eyes, trust only me and the lies I tell... and if you saw the videos... you just lied.
Irrelevant, we have video evidence. Swearing out a statement that contradicts clearly available video evidence just earns them another charge.
You are antifa... I could smell it on you earlier. There was nothing admirable in what they did... nothing. Getting a plate number does not require a mob threatening to attack and inflaming the situation... and that is not legal.
Again with this... WE HAVE THE VIDEO. We see everything. We see her battery, his A&B, the pursuit of the mob followed by the attack by the mob, the threats to kill him and then the threats put into action. Nothing about what you have said is true. You are LYING full stop.
yes, I was wrong. Steven Baca physically assaulted three women before the crowd chased him. They were attempting a citizen's arrest on Steven Baca which is ironic, since he was attempting to impede their crime of destroying public property.
Absolutely knew you were going to pull this outta your fourth point of contact. This was not a citizen's arrest. And there is NM case law to support this...
A mob attacking him, bashing him over the head with a deadly weapon while shouting they were going to kill him is not a citizen's arrest. It is attempted murder. Sorry this guy shot one of your buddies but he did so in self defense. He'll do time for the A&B but the others should do time as well, especially the skateboard wielding pop-up target.
I'm not going to bother with a back and forth with you because you're very invested in Steven Baca's innocence based on self defense.
I am going to tell you why, as a conservative Republican Patriot, why I think defending him is a bad decision.
First, a list of reasons of actions he took that I don't like.
Everything about Steven Baca's behavior is distasteful to me. There are multiple avenues of de-escalation and retreat throughout the entire scenario, including when he's being hit while in retreat. He is aggressive, defiant, mean and prowling around looking for a fight. He got his fight.
My problem with you and others who are defending him, is that you seem to think we, as a movement, should defend him. I will never defend anyone who acts like Steven Baca. He is impulsive and emotional. He is defiant and arrogant in manner. He used his gun as a crutch instead of a tool. He is aggressive. His opposition to everyone there was too obvious and he liked it that way. He attacked that which was weaker. He ran away after each time he attacked a woman. He shot a loud mouth twerp. That twerp is fighting for his life. However much you hate the twerp, the twerp has a family, parents, possibly siblings and friends. Steven Baca completely created a situation where he could have and maybe has, ended another human being's life over a damn conquistador statue that no one cares about.
How does defending this man help our movement? I can't think of a single way in which anything he did benefits either Trump, the 2A position, patriotism or MAGA. He is a net liability and detraction. Yet, you and so many like him, are foolish enough to defend a man that is only harmful and can do no good.
If you want to discuss the law then become a lawyer. One of the first things you're going to learn is context matters. Saying that SB actions when he pulled out a gun were justified because he was "in fear for his life" (as if those words are magical incantations) is not all that matters and it won't be looked at in exclusion to the context in which he was forced to retreat.
To give an example, a criminal, who in the process of robbing a store, seriously injures a cashier and is subsequently chased by the cashier's co-workers and those co-workers beat the criminal, can not claim self-defense by shooting the co-workers because it was in the PROCESS of committing a crime. Baca committed three crimes, possibly more, before he was assaulted even one time.
Steven Baca is not on our team and he is not part of our movement. It's counterproductive and foolish to spend any time defending him.
It was justified without the knife, the skateboard was enough.
They're his glasses. You can see them here: https://youtu.be/UOWzDFse0u8?t=199
Yep, those are glasses
http://prntscr.com/t14vkq
Not a fucking militia man...
And should never be one: https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1272778130877329408
Yeah it's clearly a knife why does that one guy keep posting about how the shooter is a "glowie"
http://prntscr.com/t14vkq
It was enough to be attacked with the wheels of the skateboard.
Even without knife, even without skateboard. Ganging up on someone beating them and screaming WE ARE GOING TO KILL YOU is enough to justify. I would not convict if I was on a jury.
Does this man have a go fund me for his defense?
I mean, it was justified when he was hit on the head by a skateboard. I hope the dumbfuck who got shot survived and has learned a lesson and becomes less of a dumbfuck
http://prntscr.com/t14vkq
Sunglasses.
He ded
Only problem is the fucking Marxist lived to vote again.
Nah he’ll be charged with felony assault
X - Doubt
They didn't do shit to Eric Clanton, and he didn't even get his dumb ass shot. Might get a slap on the wrist at the most.
Can’t the guy who got hit press charges?
If he has half a brain he has already hired criminal and civil attorneys. Start sending paper to everyone who was there. Even the police. Sue absolutely everyone. Let the judge dismiss the weak ones, that is what judges are for.
Seriously... start the paper run now.
Great catch! Hope he and his lawyer know it.
the same media that says the Palestinians terrorist didn't hold any weapons would say that the man shot also did not hold any weapons
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
The assault on the girl wasn't. https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1272778130877329408
It probably was. Aggressively pushing into someone is assault/battery, and using force to stop it is justified in any jurisdiction I'm aware of. She is using unlawful force against him in furtherance of a crime, as part of a criminal organization. Why are people ignoring that part?
That's a neat little legal justification for why she is committing assault. However, in practice, she is using a common Antifa tactic. She has her back to him the entire time and is simply bopping from here to there with outstretched arms. He is moving forward into her. She is not responsible for him running into her since he is facing toward her and her back is toward him. She's even using other Antifa to signal to her whether to bop left or right.
It's no more assault or battery than when the proud boys tried to record vids and Antifa would consistently wave flags in front of the camera in a repeating motion or bop up and down in front of the camera with their open palms extended. These types of behaviors are generally not considered assault in a court of law. Antifa knows that. That's why they are trained to act in this manner to instigate trouble.
If the shooter did not understand Antifa tactics, he probably shouldn't have been trying to confront them. He had no situational awareness.
Agreed, seems like this guy was hoping those people would start beef with him so he could use his firearm in self defense. I agree that he was defending himself at the very end, but there is no doubt that he incited the mob against himself, against which he had to use a firearm to retaliate. Purple shirt was the initial dumbass.
Also, ever since TD.win split from reddit and since there is less moderation here, I find myself becoming uneasy at some comments that get upvoted and the types of things people cheer on this forum. Is it just me? Seems like people here relish these types of videos while I'm here just feeling sad that these situations escalate so much.
a lot of people on this site are jacked up on mountain dew and anger. I agree with your assessment as well. He threw that person to the ground, out of frustration and annoyance, but the final outcome was shooting someone, and this might backfire on the 2nd amendment rights debate which is not where we want to go.
all these pedes praising the shooter need a reality check; some instances it's completely justified, but this one has video footage showing otherwise...
I agree with you. His biggest problem is he didn't understand their tactics.....at all. He was completely clueless. That's why it was so easy for them to bait him.
Did you see the vid where he shoves the woman to ground about a half minute before he's hit with skateboard?
https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1272778130877329408
Yep, saw that one. At first I totally thought purple shirt was justified, but after watching the events leading up to the shooting (him shoving the woman to the ground), it seems like he was the initial instigator... just why???
To answer that question, I have to say I have a lot of sympathy for his motivations for being an instigator. Like many of us, he's probably angry that Antifa is getting away with this. He's probably watching the destruction, the censorship, the firings, the sheer craziness happening around him. This after months of quarantine and probably depressed wages or no wages. He wanted to lash out. He thought having the gun would be enough to protect him if he went to the Alberquerque statue topple protest and got into arguments with random protestors. I really sympathize with him. It may be the first time he had ever done anything like that.
However, he was completely unprepared for the instigating, baiting and aggressive tactics of Antifa. He was thinking they were "normies" and they aren't. He fell for every trick he used and finally at the end, he had to use his gun to save his life and fired off four rounds.
I don't think he understands how far to the left the Mayor and the appointed judges in New Mexico are. I do not think he understands that the Mayor WANTED the protestors to tear down the statue. He was thinking like a normal individual and protecting the things that most people would protect. However, that is not the intent of the Mayor and the Democrats in Alberquerque. They want the chaos.
it's sad really, because he's probably a good man and a good citizen. He just has no clue about the politics or about what's really going on at these protests. He is not a hero though. He's rather pathetic.
Good analysis. Dunno why a couple ppl downvoted. I guess they don't like hearing the poor guy was playing checkers and the people behind antifa were playing chess by comparison.
Ugh. Can't believe I wrote that.
But seriously-- he kinda played right into their hands. The people behind antifa want them to get shot. That's been the goal all along-- to broaden and deepen the fractures between americans that all of this is exposing.