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THE SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH OFFICER ROLFE. YOU CAN'T TELL ME WITH A STRAIGHT FACE THAT AFTER WATCHING THIS YOU THINK HE'S UNJUSTIFIED IN SHOOTING BROOKS. (youtu.be) 🐂 Bullshit 💩
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– somethinga9230k 1 point ago +2 / -1

Wasn't the kneeling on the neck incredibly dangerous? While the case here with officer Rolfe should be thrown out since he did nothing wrong, the case with Chauvin seems extremely different and as far as I can tell possibly intentional murder (especially since Chauvin knew Floyd). George Floyd did still resist arrest, I recall him struggling his way out of a police car in one of the video segments, he was not a small man, and he had a long criminal record including robbery and home invasion. But kneeling on someone's neck for an extended time... and they likely knew each other...

See also https://www.quora.com/Why-do-police-put-their-knee-on-the-back-of-your-neck-when-cuffing-you and the answer by the account that claims the name "Paul Harding", where he describes that they try to avoid kneeling on the neck when putting on handcuffs.

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– Nonocon 4 points ago +5 / -1

There was no evidence of strangulation or damage to the tissue around the neck, which leads me to believe he put little to no pressure on the knee that was on his neck. The cop should get at most involuntary manslaughter, in my opinion.

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– somethinga9230k 0 points ago +2 / -2

I am not a doctor, but... that sounds very off. And George Floyd did at least once say something like "I can't breathe". And do you have a source for:

There was no evidence of strangulation or damage to the tissue around the neck,

? And is that sufficient to rule out kneeling contributing or being the largest or by itself sufficient cause of death?

Wikipedia writes among other aspects this:

The medical examiner's final findings, issued June 1,[65] classified Floyd's death as a homicide caused by "a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained" by officers who had subjected Floyd to "neck compression".[66][67] Other significant conditions were arteriosclerotic heart disease, hypertensive heart disease, fentanyl intoxication, and recent methamphetamine use.[63][66] The report states that on April 3 Floyd had tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, but does not list it as a fatal or other significant condition.[68][69]

Which describes "neck compression" as seemingly relevant from what I can tell. Though, that paragraph might be wrong.

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– krzyzowiec 1 point ago +1 / -0

He said he couldn’t breathe while standing up as well.

Neck compression just means he put some pressure on his neck. If you read the actual autopsy, there was no damage to the neck muscle, no bruising.

He didn’t show signs of asphyxiation or suffocation, so his airway wasn’t blocked.

Given that info, there’s no way the knee contributed to his death, other than by adding to his stress at the time.

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– somethinga9230k 1 point ago +1 / -0

I am not a doctor, but that... sounds very off, I must admit.

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– Nonocon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Right here.

https://thedonald.win/p/FzFxLEL3/x/c/12ih0PezXr

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– somethinga9230k 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thank you, though, as far as I can tell, that does not quite answer fully the second question I had:

And is that [lack of injury] sufficient to rule out kneeling contributing or being the largest or by itself sufficient cause of death?

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