THE SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH OFFICER ROLFE. YOU CAN'T TELL ME WITH A STRAIGHT FACE THAT AFTER WATCHING THIS YOU THINK HE'S UNJUSTIFIED IN SHOOTING BROOKS.
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Did he fully follow the manual? And does the manual not also encourage officers to observe the situation and use their own judgement? Or is the manual that strict, and prescribe that police officers must follow it to the letter?
You act as if there are two options. Full body weight on neck, or knee not anywhere near the neck.
I don't see how "You act as if there are two options." describes my comments, at all.
While the person resisting arrest has not been pinned down, he is potentially dangerous to the lives of the police officers and others as far as I can tell, and the officers should have great freedom to subdue him as far as I can tell, whether it endangers the suspect or not (you should always respect police officers and not act dangerously towards them, it ought to be completely 100% obvious!........). But, if they do manage to get him down and pin him, and there are multiple police officers... then, after he stops moving and talking, wouldn't it make excellent sense to move the kneeling away from the neck and onto the back? And/or check that he is conscious and alive? Etc.? The kneeling was on the neck for a long time, including after Floyd stopped talking and moving.
If the knee touching his neck was applying no downward force, there would be no reason/benefit to moving it.
Checking his vitals is a different issue and I have no idea what they are trained to do about that and if they were negligent or not.
On the video he yelled "there's a knee on my dick" and the public is oddly not calling out that officer. It should also be noted that he never yelled "my neck hurts".
What? Didn't Chauvin definitely apply at least some downward force upon the neck? How would Chauvin had been able to balance himself without applying at least some force? See also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6F62EdX_yg .
Reg. what he yelled... are you trolling? He also yelled "I can't breath", though I have read rumours about Floyd yelling "I can't breath" before being on the ground as well, which if true supports the claims that the drugs in Floyd's system (primarily Fentanyl as far as I know, such as with this link someone else posted: https://thedonald.win/p/FzFxLEL3/x/c/12ih0PezXr ) were a considerable/primary cause of Floyd's death.
Also, you think that if a suspect goes limp, the officers should stop restraining him?
Every criminal that wanted to escape would simply go limp and then explode similarly to how Rashard did down in ATL when the cops release their grip.
No, but shouldn't it be possible for the officers to change how they restrain him, especially if the suspect stops moving and talking? Of course, I can imagine that is too dangerous when it is one or two officers, but with more officers than that, it ought to be possible to safely change how they restrain him. Like, while continuing the pinning, move one knee to another part of the back, then move the other knee from the neck to the back, and continuing that way maintaining the pinning. Or similar. I am again no expert, but... shouldn't something like that be easily possible, especially with 4 officers present?
You do have a good point about criminals playing possum and exploiting and sacrificing everything possible, but, changing the pinning bit by bit, with additional manpower just in case... that ought to be easy and safe for the officers... especially when you are kneeling for an extended time on the neck, including after the suspect stops talking and moving.
EDIT: Pressure with the pin could also be helped by pushing down with the arms during it, which would make it even easier to ensure that a lot of force is maintained. It... seems easy to do so safely, at least when there are 3 or more officers.