It is a choice to have a disbelief rather than a belief. But to say you don't have a belief is false.
Your conclusions about the world around you are then seen through the prism of what you have chosen to believe, and therefore will read and listen to those that also see through the chosen prism of belief, even though many different beliefs are looking at the same things.
To then claim truth in disbelief through the process of occam's razor with merely the same things that everyone is also observing is a falsehood, as the assumptions made rely on a foundation of lessons taught in the unprovable, unseeable beliefs in the same way other beliefs operate.
If we all have the same evidence of that which we can see, but no proof of how it came to be, our conclusions are then simply based on what we chose to believe before the evidence was presented. A faith in which our conclusion about what is unknown is correct.
To choose to disbelieve about a belief is still a chosen belief in disbelieving.
Former Atheist here. No I have not found faith but I no longer identify with the modern atheists as they have been completely co-opted by the radical SJW left. Hitchens was proven wrong. Religion does not ruin everything, the left does. While I do not personally believe in god I have found the values of Christianity are fundamentally important to maintaining a healthy society.
I appreciate the honesty. I am just merely pointing out that it is a choice to not have a belief, but this choice still leaves a hole filled by other unprovable beliefs.
I understand your point and while I may not agree with it, I am not interested in arguing it as that argument might undermine the faith of my fellow pedes.
Undermine what faith in particular?
Your faith my friend and the faith of other Pedes who might be reading this. If your faith shapes your conservative pro-Trump values than you have no bigger supporter than this non believer.
I understand friend, and I pray you do find faith in Christ one day. One thing is for certain, we both have 2020 vision.
Okay. You cant prove that god exists and I cannot prove the he doesn't.......
He’s given his proof to me and my family time and time again and usually it’s my knowledge of science and math that strengthens what I’ve seen. I’ve heard similar stories and proofs from countless Christians and nonchristians alike. I find it funny that because we can work out how God might have done something that makes it invalid of it being him. He created this world and time and time again uses his creation to show himself and do miracles in the Bible. He gifted us the ability to learn and encouraged us to explore and interact with this creation he gave us, even giving us a nudge when we’ve stalled in that progress. Science is not the enemy of religion, even if some people on both sides like to see it as that.
So we both look at the evidence and choose to believe or not.
For example, if there was only one perfect partner chosen for you, which could be scientifically proven, and you were forced to be with that person, no choice involved, no matter what you thought, would you be willing to commit the rest of your life to loving that person? Is forcing a choice upon people loving?
Why do we think that God would take away the ability to choose Him in this way?
Well is this hypothetical partner literally the perfect match?
Doesn't matter if you in particular believe or think it's the perfect match or not, you would just have to accept it.
Well is it the perfect match?
Because if it is the perfect match then it wouldn't matter would it? They're literally the perfect match, there'd be no reason to not love them if they're literally perfect for me.
So we both look at the evidence and choose to believe or not.
For example, if there was only one perfect partner chosen for you, which could be scientifically proven, and you were forced to be with that person, no choice involved, no matter what you thought, would you be willing to commit the rest of your life to loving that person? Is forcing a choice upon people loving?
Why do we think that God would take away the ability to choose Him in this way?
Also atheist. Same. Most people are born with a sense or right and wrong. Violence against others is wrong. Rape is wrong. Stealing is wrong. I also dislike groups of any time, for me, but everyone is allowed to chose their own option.
Well if it is a fun fact, where do we come from then? And please concretely prove it to me, don't just give me what you believe to be true.
Well if you are ok with saying what you believe, which is "I don't know", I am ok with stating what I believe, which is "I believe what Jesus Christ taught and said. I believe Jesus knows.".
I guess it is a fact then that you don't know, no argument there.
I think you are confused, I am in my mid twenties buddy boy.
HAHAHAHA, I am literally laughing. You are clueless, show me this "faith gene".
Then you compare my Christian faith to being a pedo? Here is what Jesus says to people who hurt children:
'And he said to his disciples, “Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin" '
Welp, that destroys that argument towards Christianity. I will be amused and wanting to listen on the day of judgement if this is the argument you take before God. Lolol, sobbing on your knees crying about the faith gene linked towards being a pedophile as you face the lake of fire. Still time to repent though and ask Jesus for forgiveness.
Oh jesus, a fucking creationist. We witness evolution, we even control it to an extent with breeding animals and plants for certain desired results.
Please. Show me a dog becoming a bird and I'll give you a cookie.
That's not how it works my dude.
Ok, I suppose I'm missing an indefinite amount of millions and billions of years between the Pokemon evolving. Am I getting closer my dude?
Well no, It's just incremental.
Some basic examples are things like crops and farm animals. Carrots, cows, bananas ect. And how humans have changed them to benefit us.
Some other things to look at are how they're designing A.I with neural nets as it's a similar premise of incremental improvement over generations.
Nope, neural networks within modern A.I. optimize efficient search algorithms to make the correct guesses according to a high statistical probability using data collected over time. You say to yourself, "this is evolution!", but let me explain why your underlying belief is flawed with an example:
I guess it would be appropriate to ask you to show me a concrete process that starts with an non-fictional, autonomous, energy independent computer, that doesn't need to be upkept by humans, which successfully turns itself into a fleah-and-bone farm chicken.
Edit: "Over billions of years" is not a sufficient answer, and sounds absurd to me.
That's ridiculous. Abstaining from believing is not the same thing as believing. If you have a math problem: 56 + 87 = ? And you answer it's 143 and another guy answers 140 and I haven't answered yet, it's not all the same thing. Two have answered, and one hasn't.
Atheists recognize that they don't know the answer to the question of creation.
no, they lack a belief in a deity.
Lacking belief in something is not the same as believing against it.
Instead of playing libtard word games, do a little reading.
There are gnostic atheists, they claim to know they're is no God. Considering there is no objective proof of a God (learn what subjective and objective mean) this isn't unreasonable, but absolutes are pretty fucking stupid.
There are agnostic atheists, no belief in a deity but no absolute claim because nobody can know.
There are agnostic theists, they believe in a deity but don't claim to know anything for certain.
There are gnostic theists who believe and "know" there is a God.
Words have meaning, don't be a leftist.
Think you are confusing Atheists with Agnostics.
No, my post is correct.
An atheist does not believe in God, but they don't have a set of beliefs that explains why we exist. Therefore they abstain from explaining how/ why we are here, however they say that it's definitely not God.
Atheism is not believing in God. Agnostic is not knowing if you believe in God or not.
No, I'm not talking about why number theory works the way it does. I'm asking the question, where does math come from? I am not denying the observable.
But your other beliefs to that question stem from your choice of unbelief, which still leads to answers that are just as valid as having a different belief, as they all are unprovable.
Wow you just said a whole lot of nothing.
Just pointing out that your beliefs are not science or provable facts, just beliefs. Even if you choose to have disbelief towards something.
No fucking shit. What a revelation.
You'd be surprised how many atheists do not know this, and will actually argue this statement.
Going to have to disagree with you.
Who do you think would be ushered into the pearly gates first?
No it isn't. You are painting all Atheists with the same brush.
This doesn't work with religious people because being "good" by definition means believing.
According to Christianity even Bin Laden went to heaven if he recognized Jesus before his death.
The only people not going to hell are those who believe in Jesus Christ.
So, you mean to tell me that some Aboriginal tribe in the Australian outback that has never been exposed to Christianity, are all going to hell?
Get over yourself, and stop the literal gate-keeping of heaven.
I'm not gate-keeping. I'm just telling you what I believe. If you have different answers based on the evidence leading to verifiable proven facts, and not beliefs, then I am inclined to listen.
So you have evidence or proof that when you die, if you believe in Jesus, you are automatically granted access to heaven?
Or, you have evidence or proof that when you die, if you don't believe in Jesus, you are automatically denied access to heaven?
If either of those or both are correct, please provide concrete proof other than something out of a book that has been re-written, by man's hand, countless times over the centuries.
If you can't provide proof or evidence.... neither of us are right, and both of us don't know WTF is going to happen to us when we die.
Well, Jesus was a real person. Whether or not you believe what He said is up to you.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died
Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but I believe what Jesus said. Rather simple, I don't mind being downvoted.
Well, Jesus was a real man. There is my evidence. Do with that what you will, I have a hunch you have an unprovable explanation into why Jesus was wrong. Maybe you wish they had social media and the internet so they could document it better? Lol.
And if you honestly want to read the original Greek manuscripts and the oldest Hebrew manuscripts, be my guest. But you will find that they are not different in meaning from say the KJV or ESV translations of today.
Ponder for a second that God does exist and God wanted us to read something written by Himself. Would it be reasonable God would want it translated into a common language for us to read? If an important life-saving medical journal was written in French, or Japanese, wouldnt you agree it should be translated for more people to read it?
Prove it.
It is not popularly debated amoung historical scholars that he was a real person.
Here is a recent non-christian outlet speaking about the matter:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died
But, I imagine your chosen teachers have taught you how to respond and think about everything.
Atheism is the lack of belief in deities. There are dogmatic people but theyre simply stupid and myopic, like you with lumping everyone together by title.
I'm liberal, not A Liberal.
I'm atheist, not An Atheist.
Think,don't feel.
I am thinking. I think you have a set of beliefs that hinges on an unbelief. That is not feeling, just stating an observation.