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posted ago by TheCrisp11 ago by TheCrisp11 +75 / -0

It is a choice to have a disbelief rather than a belief. But to say you don't have a belief is false.

Your conclusions about the world around you are then seen through the prism of what you have chosen to believe, and therefore will read and listen to those that also see through the chosen prism of belief, even though many different beliefs are looking at the same things.

To then claim truth in disbelief through the process of occam's razor with merely the same things that everyone is also observing is a falsehood, as the assumptions made rely on a foundation of lessons taught in the unprovable, unseeable beliefs in the same way other beliefs operate.

If we all have the same evidence of that which we can see, but no proof of how it came to be, our conclusions are then simply based on what we chose to believe before the evidence was presented. A faith in which our conclusion about what is unknown is correct.

To choose to disbelieve about a belief is still a chosen belief in disbelieving.

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TheCrisp11 [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

It is not popularly debated amoung historical scholars that he was a real person.

Here is a recent non-christian outlet speaking about the matter:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died

But, I imagine your chosen teachers have taught you how to respond and think about everything.

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GenericInsult 1 point ago +1 / -0

I am merely trying to counter your assertions with mine.

You (as well as anybody) cannot prove it definitively.

 

That said, I am not going to say he did not exist, rather there is no proof either way.

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TheCrisp11 [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yes there is evidence, non-christian historians from those days have written about Jesus. Scholarly historians do not doubt Jesus was a real person. You are just choosing to not accept it, as your whole belief system hinges on asserting that one man didn't exist.

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GenericInsult 0 points ago +1 / -1

I can write something about someone named "Bobingus" today, and claim he could do authentic magic, then preserve it for thousands of years... and "Bobingus" would then be a religious prophet.

 

Don't you find it really strange that 2000 odd years ago, booming voices were heard from the sky, burning bushes talked, water got turned into wine, walking on water was a thing, blindness and wounds got miraculously healed by a touch.... and it all suddenly just stopped.

2000 years go by without so much as a whisper from God. Not a shred of real proof of a divine being in control of every facet of life.

 

3/4 (if not more) of the bible stories were hijacked from other religions, and other religions hijacked them from the bible.

Take the story of "Noah's Ark / Great Flood" for example:

  • Nuh (Islamic Quran)
  • Manu (Hindu Puranas)
  • Tale of the merchants at sea (Buddhist Samudda-Vanija Jataka)
  • Ziusudra (Sumerian tablet)
  • Atrahasis (Akkadian tablets)
  • Utnapishtim (Babylonian tablets)
  • Egyptian Flood (Egyptian Book of the Dead)
  • Deucalion and Pyrrha (Greek mythology)
  • The Blood Flood Of Ymir (Norse mythology)
  • Coxcox (Aztec)
  • The Flood of Ife (Yoruba – Nigerian)
  • The Fuhi Family (Chinese)
  • The Ark Gumana (Australian Aborigin)
  • Nuu and the Flood (Hawaiian)
  • Old Testament (Christian Bible)

All of the "Noah" stories are represented in great similarity in all of the above. Who is right? Christianity? Or any of the ones that were written long before the Old Testament?

 

Look at all of the holidays that Christianity hijacked from Pagan religions.

 

Further, take all of the outright contradictions in the bible. Those cannot just be ignored. Fact is, the book(s) were written by man, re-written who knows how many times... by man, and selectively edited and/or censored... by man.

 

What I am getting at is, you are free to believe in what you want to believe. It does not give you the right to tell anyone else they are wrong, and they won't qualify for some afterlife reward if they don't believe the same things as you.

 

All of that aside, I believe in the same morals as you. If I were an Atheist, you would say I can't make it into heaven just because some story in a book says so. Makes absolutely no sense if that is the one and only thing that separates us in our morality.

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TheCrisp11 [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Well if it's so easy, then I look forward to hearing about "bobingus" taking off within the next 100 years and flourishing in my lifetime into the great beyond.

But isn't it weird to you that a great flood is reported by so many different ancient religions?

And the Bible is preserved very well, look up Dead sea scrolls relating to the old testament. The old testament is the oldest written account of the flood, so there is that.

Contradictions? Like what for example. I look forward to reading paraphrases from you googling, "contradictions in the Bible".