They just dont pick the right Heroes to Rally around, I absolutely don't give a shit if some crazy white guy on meth gets shot fighting with the cops. Absolutely none.
The operation was ridiculous and the department should be open to lawsuits. I get the feeling the rank and file officers are getting fucked over. If they were told to execute a no knock raid then they were setup for failure.
A cop is also going to want to defend himself and breaking into someone's fucking house is going to create a high risk scenario for the officer and the occupants.
I don't really follow Bongino, but a police officer can tell you what tactics are effective in the field and what keeps them and their teammates alive, but they are not necessarily going to be geniuses about the greater impacts and implications of what they're doing.
Absolutely heed their words, but realize it's not the whole picture.
No-knock raids mean a death sentence for any innocent citizens who justly and wisely defend themselves in their homes, and they condition the population to never use deadly force in defense.
There might be some incredibly dire circumstance where a no-knock makes sense, but it seems like they're using them in an attempt to catch drugs on site.
make up your own mind. Dan is right about a A LOT, but he aint right about everything.
What was it last month Dan spent a week or so where he kept mentioning how we have to get rid of social security... every time he brought it up I would tell him (I'm talking to the TV) "Dan, don't go there... not gonna happen Dan... you should just drop it..."
And then at the end of the week, Dan did an interview with the president, and it was obvious GEOTUS watches Dan, because without any prompting by Dan, GEOTUS goes out of his way to mention that he is not going to get rid of social security. I started laughing and shouted at the TV, "That's right Dan! Time to move on!"
I have a ton of respect for the man, and I agree with him maybe 90% of the time... but he isnt automatically right about everything just because he's Dan...
The rights of the citizen are above the safety of the police. Find some other way to arrest people and gather evidence that doesn't increase the danger of shooting innocent people.
On most things he's right. Here, he's wrong. I get what he was saying, but his argument basically boiled down to the cops need to do it because if they didn't do it, they wouldn't be safe while they were behaving in an unsafe way.
Here's a thought. Take the same cops who were going to do the raid at 5 am and surround the house. Then call the guy on the inside. No answer? Bullhorn! No answer? Loud countdown to teargass.
No knock raids are as dangerous for the cops as they are for the 2A supporting American. Cops crash into your house in the middle of the night, before you realize its the police when you were sleeping and groggy, shots can go off from either side.
No knock raids, even regular raids at night time, should be unconstitutional. If we know a criminal is at a location, there is ZERO reason to go in unannounced, and even less reason to do it in the dark. By the time law enforcement needs to forcefully arrest someone, there should already be a mountain of evidence, the only reason they like going in at night time is so they can find more evidence that they should have had in the first place to execute the work therefore the warrant and be served in daylight hours and announced.
Cops always have the upper hand, but I said shit can happen on both sides because it can and has. I was living in Canada for a few years when this happened.
There is almost never, if not never, a reason for a no-knock. Unless there is actively a hostage situation where the perpetrator is expected to imminently kill hostages, there should never be no knock.
In my state, the state supreme court cucked out on no-knock warrants and stated that homeowners had no right right to resist even in homes where no-knock warrants were improperly served (i.e. police raid the wrong address) thereby leading to criminal charges against the homeowner for resisting arrest/murder, etc.
Within a week of the decision, the based general assembly unanimously (republicans and democrats) changed the law to explicitly allow homeowners to utilize all means of defense (including lethal force) against police wrongfully in their home for any reason...including serving the warrant on the wrong address. In the five years since the law changed, we've had no civilian or police deaths or injuries for no-knock raids because the police have abandoned them.
No, but that doesn't mean you're not an idiot. A mechanism you don't control is one that presents as much danger to yourself and your loved ones as it does to those you mean for it to harm.
The officers in the Brooks case did everything by the book to a T, and gave him every chance to surrender. Unfortunately a career felon like Brooks, who got out of prison early (in there for child abuse mind you) due to COVID, don’t want to go back, and being a law abiding citizen is just too hard.
He literally stole an officer's taser, ran and shot at the officers pursuing. That is a 100% legal reason to shoot to neutralize him, who has became a threat.
Democrats and BLM just love kneeling for criminals, it's ridiculous. George Floyd was also scum. They had to go.
What I really don't understand is how they justified any charges on the officer that arrived on scene first. He did EVERYTHING by the book. He didn't even assault the guy. He just assisted when Brooks resisted arrest. He was polite, and probably would have given the guy a damn warning if he wasn't obviously wrecked and behind the wheel. Where is M.A.D.D. When ya need them? (Mothers against Drunk Driving).
Liberal point 1: Wendy's shouldn't have called the cops on a guy passed out in his car, in the drive through line.
Liberal point 2: The cop that arrived shouldn't have called the DUI cops and should have given him a pass.
Liberal point 3: The DUI cop shouldn't have conducted a DUI test.
Liberal point 4: The cops shouldn't have arrested him.
Liberal point 5: They should have resisted his resting arrest.
Liberal point 6: They were "butthurt" that the guy took two of them out and stole their taser so they didn't want the boys back at the precinct to make fun of them - so they shot him dead.
There are many more I've seen - but its absurd. I lived in New Orleans. I worked "Bayou Classic". I am a nice guy and don't to this day give individuals a chance no matter the color of their skin - but just like a mosh-pit at a heavy metal show, it'd be dumb to go into a ghetto without knowing where you're at.
Anyone who wants to question me on that should take a trip to New Orleans for the next Bayou Classic and work one of the bars. It's eye opening.
OP. Can you edit your comment? Breona Taylors death was not with a no knock warrant.
There were two warrants for her an her ex-bf who had been drug trafficking for years. The warrant on his trap house was a no knock warrant (and for good reason). The warrant on her house was a regular warrant and people are arguing that her current bf opened fire on the police because of this.
Despite being given the "No Knock" option, this was served as a "Knock and Announce" warrant. Her boyfriends admission in court confirms this. (Sorry for the unarchived links.)
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
As for the shootout, Officer Mattingly was shot in his leg, hitting the femoral artery.
The residents and neighbors dispute the police account of the situation. I'm sure body can footage will prove one side correct, and if it proves the police wrong it will totally never be lost or destroyed.
Wow. Just.....Wow. This is nothing like we were told by......well....everyone in the media.
*What evidence does Tatum have here? There was a guy in the house that shot an officer. The guy isn't being charged. If there was a knock and they started shooting, he would be charged.
It appears that despite being given the "No Knock" option, that this was served as a "Knock and Announce" warrant. By the admission of the boyfriend it confirms they knocked.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
It's possible Walker didn't hear them announce the Department they were with or didn't believe them and took up a position where he was able to fire at the officers making entry.
Officer Mattingly was shot in leg, hitting the femoral artery. The officers returned fire.
Breonna Taylor, was found in the hallway but the boyfriend apparently was uninjured.
Local news seems to confirm that with the lawyer. So she wasn't killed in her sleep.
I just want to clear up the idea that this was served as "No Knock" warrant. We were lied to about this and the media is loving the clicks, and the politicians are loving the political gain.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
So it appears that despite being given the "no knock" option, they opted to serve this as a standard "Knock and Announce".
Heres the warrant if you're interested in the evidence they gathered. We apparently were lied to about her name not being on the warrant.
Well, the 'and announce' section of 'knock and announce' is in dispute according to the guy and neighbors, and the announcing is way more important than the knocking.
Of the sections on the warrant pertaining to the 3003 address; points 8 and 9 appear to be lies, since the post office denied that it was involved in any investigation. "However, Tony Gooden, the U.S. postal inspector in Louisville, said police never contacted his office to verify that information.
Gooden also told WDRB that there were "no packages of interest" going to Taylor's home. He said if LMPD went outside of his jurisdiction to verify information about packages to Taylor's residence, that would be highly unusual and inappropriate."
Lying on a warrant application in two points throws all of the information into doubt. So should I trust rest of the warrant, and should I trust the police saying they announced themselves as police, either?
You are not pro 2A if this shooting doesn't bother you. By all available evidence so far she was a good regular hard working American. I'm all for good cops but they cant just break in and not announce their presence and be surprised. when someone uses their constitutional right to self defense. There is absolutely no reason they cant make a perimeter and call someone out with a PA from their armored MRAP/Bearcat. It is safer for all parties.
this one actually makes sense to me , the rashard brooks one is ABSURD
Hey, no noticing allowed.
Epstein didn’t kill himself
This guy knows whats going on, ☝️ 20% of west palm is jewish.
This is your final notice
They just dont pick the right Heroes to Rally around, I absolutely don't give a shit if some crazy white guy on meth gets shot fighting with the cops. Absolutely none.
The operation was ridiculous and the department should be open to lawsuits. I get the feeling the rank and file officers are getting fucked over. If they were told to execute a no knock raid then they were setup for failure.
A cop is also going to want to defend himself and breaking into someone's fucking house is going to create a high risk scenario for the officer and the occupants.
I think the "she was shot while sleeping" just like the other guy was "shot while sleeping at wendy's"
Based on the boyfriend's description she was awake and with him yelling "who's there" at the police while they broke into their home.
That doesn't excuse what happened, this no-knock raid was a travesty and she was absolutely a victim here.
I'm just saying she wasn't like, lying in bed asleep and they shot her through a wall or something like that like they're trying to make it sound.
Y'all give way too much credit to where credit's not due... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GoOFJF0PpU
Yes. And she didn't die due to systemic racism.
Correct. The timing of the George Floyd incident was a little too convenient
LOL, because there are no violent police in the world outside Israeli Intelligence. Good to know.
I THOUGHT SYSTEMIC RACISM WAS THE PROBLEM!?!??!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
More cops will die without the ability to get a no knock warrant.
Dan Bongino on his podcast made a good case as to why no knock warrants are a good thing
I'll listen to the opinions of a former officer than pearl clutching armchair cops
I don't really follow Bongino, but a police officer can tell you what tactics are effective in the field and what keeps them and their teammates alive, but they are not necessarily going to be geniuses about the greater impacts and implications of what they're doing.
Absolutely heed their words, but realize it's not the whole picture.
No-knock raids mean a death sentence for any innocent citizens who justly and wisely defend themselves in their homes, and they condition the population to never use deadly force in defense.
There might be some incredibly dire circumstance where a no-knock makes sense, but it seems like they're using them in an attempt to catch drugs on site.
make up your own mind. Dan is right about a A LOT, but he aint right about everything.
What was it last month Dan spent a week or so where he kept mentioning how we have to get rid of social security... every time he brought it up I would tell him (I'm talking to the TV) "Dan, don't go there... not gonna happen Dan... you should just drop it..."
And then at the end of the week, Dan did an interview with the president, and it was obvious GEOTUS watches Dan, because without any prompting by Dan, GEOTUS goes out of his way to mention that he is not going to get rid of social security. I started laughing and shouted at the TV, "That's right Dan! Time to move on!"
I have a ton of respect for the man, and I agree with him maybe 90% of the time... but he isnt automatically right about everything just because he's Dan...
I don't care what some cops have to say about anything that is unconstitutional.
You can't be secure in your property or your papers with a bunch of cops busting down your doors unannounced in the middle of the night.
The rights of the citizen are above the safety of the police. Find some other way to arrest people and gather evidence that doesn't increase the danger of shooting innocent people.
On most things he's right. Here, he's wrong. I get what he was saying, but his argument basically boiled down to the cops need to do it because if they didn't do it, they wouldn't be safe while they were behaving in an unsafe way.
Here's a thought. Take the same cops who were going to do the raid at 5 am and surround the house. Then call the guy on the inside. No answer? Bullhorn! No answer? Loud countdown to teargass.
No knock raids are as dangerous for the cops as they are for the 2A supporting American. Cops crash into your house in the middle of the night, before you realize its the police when you were sleeping and groggy, shots can go off from either side.
No knock raids, even regular raids at night time, should be unconstitutional. If we know a criminal is at a location, there is ZERO reason to go in unannounced, and even less reason to do it in the dark. By the time law enforcement needs to forcefully arrest someone, there should already be a mountain of evidence, the only reason they like going in at night time is so they can find more evidence that they should have had in the first place to execute the work therefore the warrant and be served in daylight hours and announced.
Cops always have the upper hand, but I said shit can happen on both sides because it can and has. I was living in Canada for a few years when this happened.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-man-acquitted-in-police-officer-slaying-1.698274
Lol cops are not in favor of people having guns .
What the hell kind of "friend" does that? Did he have a bs excuse or was he strait up robbing you?
There is almost never, if not never, a reason for a no-knock. Unless there is actively a hostage situation where the perpetrator is expected to imminently kill hostages, there should never be no knock.
If he doesn't, he's not harming anyone.
Exactly
In my state, the state supreme court cucked out on no-knock warrants and stated that homeowners had no right right to resist even in homes where no-knock warrants were improperly served (i.e. police raid the wrong address) thereby leading to criminal charges against the homeowner for resisting arrest/murder, etc.
Within a week of the decision, the based general assembly unanimously (republicans and democrats) changed the law to explicitly allow homeowners to utilize all means of defense (including lethal force) against police wrongfully in their home for any reason...including serving the warrant on the wrong address. In the five years since the law changed, we've had no civilian or police deaths or injuries for no-knock raids because the police have abandoned them.
What state was that?
I think indiana did it. Not sure though
Please tell me I'm not the only person that has booby traps on their perporty for pigs / joggers ?
No, but that doesn't mean you're not an idiot. A mechanism you don't control is one that presents as much danger to yourself and your loved ones as it does to those you mean for it to harm.
The officers in the Brooks case did everything by the book to a T, and gave him every chance to surrender. Unfortunately a career felon like Brooks, who got out of prison early (in there for child abuse mind you) due to COVID, don’t want to go back, and being a law abiding citizen is just too hard.
He literally stole an officer's taser, ran and shot at the officers pursuing. That is a 100% legal reason to shoot to neutralize him, who has became a threat.
Democrats and BLM just love kneeling for criminals, it's ridiculous. George Floyd was also scum. They had to go.
What I really don't understand is how they justified any charges on the officer that arrived on scene first. He did EVERYTHING by the book. He didn't even assault the guy. He just assisted when Brooks resisted arrest. He was polite, and probably would have given the guy a damn warning if he wasn't obviously wrecked and behind the wheel. Where is M.A.D.D. When ya need them? (Mothers against Drunk Driving).
Liberal point 1: Wendy's shouldn't have called the cops on a guy passed out in his car, in the drive through line.
Liberal point 2: The cop that arrived shouldn't have called the DUI cops and should have given him a pass.
Liberal point 3: The DUI cop shouldn't have conducted a DUI test.
Liberal point 4: The cops shouldn't have arrested him.
Liberal point 5: They should have resisted his resting arrest.
Liberal point 6: They were "butthurt" that the guy took two of them out and stole their taser so they didn't want the boys back at the precinct to make fun of them - so they shot him dead.
There are many more I've seen - but its absurd. I lived in New Orleans. I worked "Bayou Classic". I am a nice guy and don't to this day give individuals a chance no matter the color of their skin - but just like a mosh-pit at a heavy metal show, it'd be dumb to go into a ghetto without knowing where you're at.
Anyone who wants to question me on that should take a trip to New Orleans for the next Bayou Classic and work one of the bars. It's eye opening.
That ex jogger had some wicked ground game
OP. Can you edit your comment? Breona Taylors death was not with a no knock warrant.
There were two warrants for her an her ex-bf who had been drug trafficking for years. The warrant on his trap house was a no knock warrant (and for good reason). The warrant on her house was a regular warrant and people are arguing that her current bf opened fire on the police because of this.
Officer Tatum Debunks the BT No Knock misinformation from the media
" The warrant on her house was a regular warrant and people are arguing that her current bf opened fire on the police because of this."
You got details on this one? I would like to read about the gunbattle or whatever.
Here's the Warrant: https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Despite being given the "No Knock" option, this was served as a "Knock and Announce" warrant. Her boyfriends admission in court confirms this. (Sorry for the unarchived links.)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
As for the shootout, Officer Mattingly was shot in his leg, hitting the femoral artery.
Local News article that mentions his wound:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/lmpd-officer-shot-woman-found-dead-following-narcotics-investigation/article_8a8c9eda-64ec-11ea-b353-032ffc9fd65c.html
Heres also a local news article on their own investigation.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/05/13/facts-what-we-know-about-shooting-death-breonna-taylor/
Apparently we were lied to by not just the media but our own politicians on the warrant so that they can both get clicks and politcal gain.
The residents and neighbors dispute the police account of the situation. I'm sure body can footage will prove one side correct, and if it proves the police wrong it will totally never be lost or destroyed.
Wow. Just.....Wow. This is nothing like we were told by......well....everyone in the media.
*What evidence does Tatum have here? There was a guy in the house that shot an officer. The guy isn't being charged. If there was a knock and they started shooting, he would be charged.
Heres the warrant if you're interested:
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
It appears that despite being given the "No Knock" option, that this was served as a "Knock and Announce" warrant. By the admission of the boyfriend it confirms they knocked.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
It's possible Walker didn't hear them announce the Department they were with or didn't believe them and took up a position where he was able to fire at the officers making entry.
Officer Mattingly was shot in leg, hitting the femoral artery. The officers returned fire.
Breonna Taylor, was found in the hallway but the boyfriend apparently was uninjured.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/05/13/facts-what-we-know-about-shooting-death-breonna-taylor/
Local news seems to confirm that with the lawyer. So she wasn't killed in her sleep.
I just want to clear up the idea that this was served as "No Knock" warrant. We were lied to about this and the media is loving the clicks, and the politicians are loving the political gain.
He offers no proof or sources at all, his whole argument is basically just, "The opposite of everything everyone said is true, I heard it."
Apparently during the court hearing the boyfriend admitted that he heard a knock.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
So it appears that despite being given the "no knock" option, they opted to serve this as a standard "Knock and Announce".
Heres the warrant if you're interested in the evidence they gathered. We apparently were lied to about her name not being on the warrant.
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Well, the 'and announce' section of 'knock and announce' is in dispute according to the guy and neighbors, and the announcing is way more important than the knocking.
Of the sections on the warrant pertaining to the 3003 address; points 8 and 9 appear to be lies, since the post office denied that it was involved in any investigation. "However, Tony Gooden, the U.S. postal inspector in Louisville, said police never contacted his office to verify that information.
Gooden also told WDRB that there were "no packages of interest" going to Taylor's home. He said if LMPD went outside of his jurisdiction to verify information about packages to Taylor's residence, that would be highly unusual and inappropriate."
Lying on a warrant application in two points throws all of the information into doubt. So should I trust rest of the warrant, and should I trust the police saying they announced themselves as police, either?
No knock raids should not exist. The standard for search warrants should be raised.
But if they had a legal warrant, the city and judge should be responsible... not the individual officer
You are not pro 2A if this shooting doesn't bother you. By all available evidence so far she was a good regular hard working American. I'm all for good cops but they cant just break in and not announce their presence and be surprised. when someone uses their constitutional right to self defense. There is absolutely no reason they cant make a perimeter and call someone out with a PA from their armored MRAP/Bearcat. It is safer for all parties.