They just dont pick the right Heroes to Rally around, I absolutely don't give a shit if some crazy white guy on meth gets shot fighting with the cops. Absolutely none.
If they picked the "right" heroes to rally around, they wouldn't have many opportunities to riot and loot though. The number of unjustified shoots is so rare that their outrage wouldn't make sense.
In order to weaponize racism, they need it to be murky.
They need us to stand up and say, "Hey - the first part of the Rodney King video was him fighting the cops on PCP", or "Michael Brown held up that store and charged the cop!"
Then, they can say "YOU JUST DON'T VALUE BLACK BODIES" or some retarded horseshit. It has to be a totally binary thing in order to work: you either invite the mob in to rape your daughter and burn your house down, or you're in the Klan.
The operation was ridiculous and the department should be open to lawsuits. I get the feeling the rank and file officers are getting fucked over. If they were told to execute a no knock raid then they were setup for failure.
A cop is also going to want to defend himself and breaking into someone's fucking house is going to create a high risk scenario for the officer and the occupants.
I don't really follow Bongino, but a police officer can tell you what tactics are effective in the field and what keeps them and their teammates alive, but they are not necessarily going to be geniuses about the greater impacts and implications of what they're doing.
Absolutely heed their words, but realize it's not the whole picture.
No-knock raids mean a death sentence for any innocent citizens who justly and wisely defend themselves in their homes, and they condition the population to never use deadly force in defense.
There might be some incredibly dire circumstance where a no-knock makes sense, but it seems like they're using them in an attempt to catch drugs on site.
There might be some incredibly dire circumstance where a no-knock makes sense, but it seems like they're using them in an attempt to catch drugs on site.
No-knock raids make sense if there are hostages in danger. Of course, then it isn't a no-knock raid but a SWAT hostage situation, so I'm not sure this even counts in favor of no-knock warrants.
When they are used to prevent attempts at disposal of evidence, that's lazy evidence-gathering by use of overwhelming deadly force. "It would be too difficult to do this the right way." is not sufficient moral justification for the hazard no-knock raids present.
make up your own mind. Dan is right about a A LOT, but he aint right about everything.
What was it last month Dan spent a week or so where he kept mentioning how we have to get rid of social security... every time he brought it up I would tell him (I'm talking to the TV) "Dan, don't go there... not gonna happen Dan... you should just drop it..."
And then at the end of the week, Dan did an interview with the president, and it was obvious GEOTUS watches Dan, because without any prompting by Dan, GEOTUS goes out of his way to mention that he is not going to get rid of social security. I started laughing and shouted at the TV, "That's right Dan! Time to move on!"
I have a ton of respect for the man, and I agree with him maybe 90% of the time... but he isnt automatically right about everything just because he's Dan...
The rights of the citizen are above the safety of the police. Find some other way to arrest people and gather evidence that doesn't increase the danger of shooting innocent people.
On most things he's right. Here, he's wrong. I get what he was saying, but his argument basically boiled down to the cops need to do it because if they didn't do it, they wouldn't be safe while they were behaving in an unsafe way.
Here's a thought. Take the same cops who were going to do the raid at 5 am and surround the house. Then call the guy on the inside. No answer? Bullhorn! No answer? Loud countdown to teargass.
No knock raids are as dangerous for the cops as they are for the 2A supporting American. Cops crash into your house in the middle of the night, before you realize its the police when you were sleeping and groggy, shots can go off from either side.
No knock raids, even regular raids at night time, should be unconstitutional. If we know a criminal is at a location, there is ZERO reason to go in unannounced, and even less reason to do it in the dark. By the time law enforcement needs to forcefully arrest someone, there should already be a mountain of evidence, the only reason they like going in at night time is so they can find more evidence that they should have had in the first place to execute the work therefore the warrant and be served in daylight hours and announced.
I was always confused as to why the police would want to effectuate an arrest of a suspect where the suspect is most likely to have access to their stash of weapons.
Cops always have the upper hand, but I said shit can happen on both sides because it can and has. I was living in Canada for a few years when this happened.
I agree with you, no knock raids are bs. Im just saying if l was a cop l would hate them too. I just dont trust a desk clerk for info/intel if my life or the life if an innocent family was on the line.
There is almost never, if not never, a reason for a no-knock. Unless there is actively a hostage situation where the perpetrator is expected to imminently kill hostages, there should never be no knock.
In my state, the state supreme court cucked out on no-knock warrants and stated that homeowners had no right right to resist even in homes where no-knock warrants were improperly served (i.e. police raid the wrong address) thereby leading to criminal charges against the homeowner for resisting arrest/murder, etc.
Within a week of the decision, the based general assembly unanimously (republicans and democrats) changed the law to explicitly allow homeowners to utilize all means of defense (including lethal force) against police wrongfully in their home for any reason...including serving the warrant on the wrong address. In the five years since the law changed, we've had no civilian or police deaths or injuries for no-knock raids because the police have abandoned them.
No, but that doesn't mean you're not an idiot. A mechanism you don't control is one that presents as much danger to yourself and your loved ones as it does to those you mean for it to harm.
The officers in the Brooks case did everything by the book to a T, and gave him every chance to surrender. Unfortunately a career felon like Brooks, who got out of prison early (in there for child abuse mind you) due to COVID, don’t want to go back, and being a law abiding citizen is just too hard.
He literally stole an officer's taser, ran and shot at the officers pursuing. That is a 100% legal reason to shoot to neutralize him, who has became a threat.
Democrats and BLM just love kneeling for criminals, it's ridiculous. George Floyd was also scum. They had to go.
What I really don't understand is how they justified any charges on the officer that arrived on scene first. He did EVERYTHING by the book. He didn't even assault the guy. He just assisted when Brooks resisted arrest. He was polite, and probably would have given the guy a damn warning if he wasn't obviously wrecked and behind the wheel. Where is M.A.D.D. When ya need them? (Mothers against Drunk Driving).
Liberal point 1: Wendy's shouldn't have called the cops on a guy passed out in his car, in the drive through line.
Liberal point 2: The cop that arrived shouldn't have called the DUI cops and should have given him a pass.
Liberal point 3: The DUI cop shouldn't have conducted a DUI test.
Liberal point 4: The cops shouldn't have arrested him.
Liberal point 5: They should have resisted his resting arrest.
Liberal point 6: They were "butthurt" that the guy took two of them out and stole their taser so they didn't want the boys back at the precinct to make fun of them - so they shot him dead.
There are many more I've seen - but its absurd. I lived in New Orleans. I worked "Bayou Classic". I am a nice guy and don't to this day give individuals a chance no matter the color of their skin - but just like a mosh-pit at a heavy metal show, it'd be dumb to go into a ghetto without knowing where you're at.
Anyone who wants to question me on that should take a trip to New Orleans for the next Bayou Classic and work one of the bars. It's eye opening.
OP. Can you edit your comment? Breona Taylors death was not with a no knock warrant.
There were two warrants for her an her ex-bf who had been drug trafficking for years. The warrant on his trap house was a no knock warrant (and for good reason). The warrant on her house was a regular warrant and people are arguing that her current bf opened fire on the police because of this.
Despite being given the "No Knock" option, this was served as a "Knock and Announce" warrant. Her boyfriends admission in court confirms this. (Sorry for the unarchived links.)
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
As for the shootout, Officer Mattingly was shot in his leg, hitting the femoral artery.
The residents and neighbors dispute the police account of the situation. I'm sure body can footage will prove one side correct, and if it proves the police wrong it will totally never be lost or destroyed.
Wow. Just.....Wow. This is nothing like we were told by......well....everyone in the media.
*What evidence does Tatum have here? There was a guy in the house that shot an officer. The guy isn't being charged. If there was a knock and they started shooting, he would be charged.
It appears that despite being given the "No Knock" option, that this was served as a "Knock and Announce" warrant. By the admission of the boyfriend it confirms they knocked.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
It's possible Walker didn't hear them announce the Department they were with or didn't believe them and took up a position where he was able to fire at the officers making entry.
Officer Mattingly was shot in leg, hitting the femoral artery. The officers returned fire.
Breonna Taylor, was found in the hallway but the boyfriend apparently was uninjured.
Local news seems to confirm that with the lawyer. So she wasn't killed in her sleep.
I just want to clear up the idea that this was served as "No Knock" warrant. We were lied to about this and the media is loving the clicks, and the politicians are loving the political gain.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
So it appears that despite being given the "no knock" option, they opted to serve this as a standard "Knock and Announce".
Heres the warrant if you're interested in the evidence they gathered. We apparently were lied to about her name not being on the warrant.
Well, the 'and announce' section of 'knock and announce' is in dispute according to the guy and neighbors, and the announcing is way more important than the knocking.
Of the sections on the warrant pertaining to the 3003 address; points 8 and 9 appear to be lies, since the post office denied that it was involved in any investigation. "However, Tony Gooden, the U.S. postal inspector in Louisville, said police never contacted his office to verify that information.
Gooden also told WDRB that there were "no packages of interest" going to Taylor's home. He said if LMPD went outside of his jurisdiction to verify information about packages to Taylor's residence, that would be highly unusual and inappropriate."
Lying on a warrant application in two points throws all of the information into doubt. So should I trust rest of the warrant, and should I trust the police saying they announced themselves as police, either?
This is why they're in court. Here's some Case Law and Supreme Court rulings that will determine whether or not their "Knock and Announce" was done legally.
As for the warrant, the Judge is the one that signs off on it. After all they review the evidence provided. What makes this pants on head retarded, is that Judges are covered by Judicial Immunity and cannot be sued. So a district court can determine if an officer is covered by Qualified Immunity when they're sued, yet a Judge can just get away with it.
When it comes to the Postal Inspector, what can be determined "Unusual and inappropriate" can just be that. What needs to be found is if what was done is legal. It's possible that this other law enforcement department is looking for Jamarcus Glover and this information was given to LMPD.
As for his statement of " no packages of interest" doesn't mean anything, what matters is whether or not Jamarcus Glover was having his mail sent there which could indicate that he possibly frequents that home. The Postal Inspector confirms that, even if it was just "clothing and shoes".
Breonna Taylor, had her name on this warrant. With her past and previous relationship with Jamarcus Glover it's possible she was part of this drug ring, after all she is an EMT which gives her access to narcotics.
From what I see here, it's the fault of the Judge since they gave it the green light and signed off on this. It's just a damn shame you can't sue them.
When it comes to the execution of the warrant, I believe both Police and Walker are telling the truth here. It's possible that after knocking, Police shouted who they were and no one heard it.
Walker is in the right to believe that he was about to be robbed since he only just heard the knocking and took up a defensive position. After 3 swings from the Ram and making entry before anyone shouted who they were and their intention, Walker shot and wounded an officer, and Police have every right as Walker does to defend themselves, after all they are executing their warrant and made their move having received no response from inside.
A shootout ensues and then a shadowed figure runs into the hallway and Police believing it's their shooter, react by shooting 10 to 20 times and connecting 8 shots. Breonna Taylor lies dead in the hallway and Walker is left uninjured.
Walker is than arrested and Officer Mattingly is sent to the hospital in critical condition with a leg wound that hit his femoral artery.
Jamarcus Glover is arrested at a Trap House they had used the "No knock" option for that night, and everyone there was arrested and no one was killed.
Hopefully Walker isn't charged with attempted murder if this happens to be the case. People are people after all and each individual person acts, reacts and behaves differently.
Breonna Taylor could be innocent in all this too and it was just unfortunate that she dated Jamarcus Glover and was suspected of being a part of his drug ring, her job as an EMT only made her more suspect.
You are not pro 2A if this shooting doesn't bother you. By all available evidence so far she was a good regular hard working American. I'm all for good cops but they cant just break in and not announce their presence and be surprised. when someone uses their constitutional right to self defense. There is absolutely no reason they cant make a perimeter and call someone out with a PA from their armored MRAP/Bearcat. It is safer for all parties.
Yup. I honestly didn't have much of an opinion on them until I saw that case and how terrible of a shoot that was. That officer absolutely needs to be held accountable. The Brooks shooting was justified every day of the week. It's amazing what can happen when you allow for nuance in your thinking.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
After knocking on the door and announcing repeatedly they made entry. One officer was hit in the femoral artery which provoked them to shoot back.
We apparently are being lied to about this being a "no knock" warrant.
But what do you expect with Benjamin Crump? The guy that brought us such classics like...
Trayvon Martin and the concrete beating of George Zimmerman
Michael Brown and the Case of "Can I beat an officer and get away with it?"
This ambulance chaser is always there when a White on Black incident occurs.
If someone broke in my house I'd fight back too. It's dark, you don't know if they are who they say they are either. Any criminal can claim they're a cop and dress up.
I agree, it's unfortunate since criminals have gotten smarter and decided to adopt such tactics to hit their rival gangs homes and trap houses for drugs, guns or w/e.
Page 8, point number 15, they requested a no knock warrant.
Taylor, her dealer boyfriend, and one other were all listed specifically as subjects to be searched with the warrant. She lived in a trap house and she knew what her boyfriend was up to. She assumed the risks.
Meanwhile, no knock warrants are essential to the protection of police lives from drug dealers who are armed to the teeth.
The officer was following the law... We can talk about ending no-knock warrants, but that doesnt mean it wasnt justified under current law. Also they did knock for Breonna. They didnt knock for her ex bf, and there were no shots fired in that case.
Dude, that all sounds great on the internet and stuff. But in practice there would be no police and no rule of law at all if every officer decided whether or not to follow orders.
If you don't like the law, change the law.
You could be fired and imprisoned today for following some law that SOME OTHER PERSON doesn't like. See how tricky it is?
Is that the Boomer logic that was used to get you to accept the war on drugs? "IF WE DON'T STOP THE COCAINE THERE WILL BE NO LAW!!!!!"
Bullshit. The law is wrong and those who enforce wrong laws are wrong. Stop justifying steppers because the policy says "it's okay". It's not okay and "changing the law" isn't going to happen. You know as well as I do that the politicians are just as corrupt as the law enforcement that serves them.
"Change the law" is easy to say from the armchair and in reality is just an excuse to shut down discussion.
Not really the same. There is definite separation from “we are searching a criminals house”.... and the issue of a warrant and those in charge of making sure the warrant is correct.
Willfully complying in a no knock in civilian clothes should seem so obviously wrong and it was.
But the officers didn't think it was wrong because they think they are better than us. They think authority elevates them when it doesn't. If any of them were so honorable, they would have spoken up about why it was wrong or at the very least admitted wrong doing.
But none of them did. They were all about putting Kennith Walker behind bars cause he dared to defend his home. And the message they want you to hear loud and clear is they are allowed to go into your home whenever they want and shoot you dead if you resist.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
No-knock is an 'and one' on the end of a search/seizure/arrest warrant. Officers and departments do not have to execute one, even if permission is granted by an idiot statist judge.
Holy false equivalency, Batman! A cashier isn't killing anyone and Karen is far from any moral point of reason!
Following orders is NOT a valid reason. That is exactly how they are high-jacking our military. By making sure people don't question orders and those who do are punished.
Again, your reasoning is why tyranny happens. "Policy" does not make it legal or morally right.
Yes, I will reserve personal judgement at the moment on the officer's behavior, but I agree with you 100%. It is unfortunate that we have LEO's caught up in bad policy, on top of all the shit that's being thrown their way now.
If I carry out an illegal action in compliance with my companies policy, then I am still criminally liable. No reason it shouldn't be the same for this officer.
I'm certain a case for at least involuntary manslaughter or criminal negligence or even breach of peace can be levied against someone. Cops should use their balls and refuse no-knocks.
Heck even knock and announce in the middle of the night is not great. I once had the police hang on my door in the middle of the night. I woke up not knowing what was happening, thinking someone was trying to break in, and went downstairs with a gun and took a defensive position. When I saw someone walk past a window in a uniform I realized it was the cops, stashed the gun and answered the door.
Turns out my kids had left a car door open and the cops thought it had been broken into. They were just trying to be helpful, but I can't imagine the shit that would've gone down if they happened to see me inside holding a gun.
Going into a house in the dark when the occupants are sleeping is just a recipe for accidents.
I agree they are a bad idea in many cases, but there are ways to ensure the address is right. in this case, they had photos of the specific door step and her address verified on the form. However - they are currently legal so the officer shouldnt be punished for following the law and shooting back when they shoot at him.
They're illegal horse shit, just like "civil asset forfeiture" (theft by cop). Just because a law is written doesn't mean it can suddenly trump the 4th amendment protections against unreasonable searches and seizures.
The officer was following procedure, and the homeowner was following procedure protecting his family from an intruder sneaking in. This was sad it was over a warrant no one had to get shot over.
IMHO, the officer needs to be put on a desk, and receive some counseling for shooting an innocent person[-that doesn't sit well with many, and it has not come up]
and- her family needs to be compensated and supported for their loss-.
But-no- knock warrants guarantee it will 9x out of 10, be a violent call, possibly ending the officers' life- even if the wrong address is on the warrant, and they go to a home with law-abiding citizens by mistake.
One of my big fears is waking to an alarm and the sound of intruders. I do not want to get into a gunfight with LEOs. That would not benefit anyone involved.
The risk to officers' lives should be highlighted. A normal armed homeowner who otherwise could've explained the situation peacefully is inclined to grab their gun and start shooting when unidentified people suddenly burst through their door in the middle of the night. That puts them at risk of getting shot, and it puts officers at risk of getting shot. If a suspect is home and officers know their location and there isn't otherwise an immediate risk to anyone's life, there's no reason they can't take them into custody later when they leave.
officer tatum brings up the example of child porn, where you could save children by not allowing the child predator to delete the harddrives and stuff first. Another example used often used is flushing drugs down the toilet. Also, if someone has a hostage or potential victims and may be a murder/suicide risk.
You are talking about infringing the 4th amendment rights of everyone, potentially creating deadly situations where neither side is sure of the identification or intent of the other, and deliberately escalating an already volatile situation all in service of preserving evidence?
Only the latter is applicable, and is covered by where I said "isn't otherwise an immediate risk to anyone's life."
If the police believe there are drugs on a property and don't want the occupant flushing them, they can get a warrant, wait until the suspect leaves, and then search the property. Same for deleting child porn. And if in some conceivable scenario someone might be able to successfully escape prosecution by them not being able to burst through their door unannounced with guns drawn, then oh fucking well. You're not going to catch everyone. Where does that mentality eventually lead other than increasing invasions of the people's privacy and infringement on their rights?
If the police believe there are drugs on a property and don't want the occupant flushing them, they can get a warrant, wait until the suspect leaves, and then search the property. Same for deleting child porn.
They can also get a warrant to shut off water and sewer access. "The water in the suspect's toilet bowl was 30% cocaine by weight." is evidence too.
They'll always have examples like this. Does the suspect ever leave their home? Can you catch them on their way to the grocery store and serve the search warrant once it's safe to do so? Of course, but American cops want to act like they're busting down doors in Iraq and playing call of duty.
Yup, slip me a warrant under the door and let me read it first and I'll peacefully surrender no problem, but I need an opportunity to assess that you've actually done your part in the social contract ... Otherwise I can't differentiate you kicking down my door for 'legitimate' reasons from the stazi coming to haul me away for political reasons.
Even if you won't surrender immediately, is it worth an officer's life when you could simply be starved out? We put too much emphasis on "arrest him now" and not enough on peacekeeping
No shit. Read the Gulag Archipelago for some of the ways they cleverly arrested people in public without them knowing. If the Soviets could do that 70 years ago to a huge portion of their population, I'm sure we can be just as smart and serve warrants to people without murdering them.
slip me a warrant under the door and let me read it first and I'll peacefully surrender no problem
Thats great. But what if it is a drug case or CP case or a hostage case. Should you just wait for the criminal to delete/flush everything before going in?
You should probably arrest them outside of their home and then search the home when you have control of the situation.
Busting into a house for child porn is retarded. You're going to greatly increases the odds of someone dying in order to maybe prevent the destruction of copies of pictures and communications, which the FBI probably already has evidence of, and the NSA has already been spying on.
Not just went into the wrong house, booted down the door in the middle of the night, and her boyfriend rightfully grabbed his gun acting in self defense of what he thought was an intruder breaking in.
Edit: i was quoting the OP, it was not the Wrong house on the warrant, but they got a warrant for her house because of her relationship with an Ex boyfriend who lived across town.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
It was her EX boyfriend, who lived 10 miles away, and they put a warrant on her place too. She was there with her current boyfriend and they FOUND NOTHING at her place.
Can you cite evidence for that claim?
Also I could put your name on a warrant, doesn't mean you did it. Corrupt judges will rubberstamp warrants without reading them.
I just wanted to reach out and say you were right on this and i was wrong, ive been going through my post history to find comments i made on this story based on media lies and omissions. Thank you for standing strong against the tide and speaking the truth. I didn't know it at the time but do now.
Hey, i just wanted to reach out and apologize for being wrong on this. The media did one hell of a number covering up the facts and i was baited into believing the worst. You were right, and im glad you called it out back then.
No need to apologize, just need to really looks for the spin on literally every word out of their mouth, especially when it conveniently fits their narrative.
Yeah but it wasn't the cops fault, they went into the wrong house overall, but they went into the address that was on the warrant. The person who filed for and approved the warrant should be fired. Not the cop who was enforcing it.
The when reason we have the 4th amendment is because of bullshit like this. Our government likes to ignore everything that is supposed to limit its power though, and there are too many bootlickers that support it.
Unfortunately we were lied to about this being a "No Knock" warrant. Despite meeting the threshold to execute this as a "No Knock", this was executed as a "Knock and Announce" warrant.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
It wasnt a no knock, the cops were banging on the door and that is what made the boyfriend grab his gun and fire on them when they came through the door.
March 12: Police note in the arrest warrant request that they verified with postal inspectors that Glover was receiving packages at Taylor's address.
May 15: Louisville Postal Inspector Tony Gooden says that his office was not a part of an inspection of possible drug trafficking activity in packages delivered to Breonna Taylor's address.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
They did make up the evidence used to get the warrant, so it was the wrong house. City postmaster denied ever having participated in the investigation, so the cops never verified that Glover was receiving parcels at Taylor's house.
There's a case here in Missouri that might be worth keeping an eye on : Hannah Fizer, who was pulled over on a routine traffic stop (I think she is accused of running a red light). The cop claims she threatened to shoot him, but no gun was found on her or in her vehicle. Shot dead ; cop had no dash cam, no body cam.
Anyway, it could have been a justified shooting, but something about it is setting off my hink-o-meter. But since she's white and all we have is the cop's version of events , we may never get the truth.
What even made them serve that warrant in the first place? Whether you agree whether it should exist or not if it does exist then you would expect there to be some heavy burden of proof or something to issue such a warrant even if it is to be allowed.
Thanks. There's a lot of normies that still think the police are infallible and always honest, and that judges scrutinize everything that comes across their desk.
The officers executing the warrant didn't fuck it up. They went to the address they were given, which happened to be wrong. They got fired on, and fired back, according to their training.
It all sucks really bad but that doesn't mean the officers were directly at fault.
Someone has to go to jail for something. The right charges should be brought upon a the right person afforded due process, but ultimately someone committed a crime here.
Probably the previous complaint damned him, but the people responsible for this death are the people who generated and signed the no-knock warrant, not the officer.
If they don't want bullets going through walls, don't put officers in a position where they are likely to have to discharge weapons indoors.
fair enough. I think whoever signs a no-knock warrant should be personally liable, not thee officers if they behaved properly. Might cut down on no-knocks too
The officers should be refusing to conduct no knock raids, just like they should refuse to steal from citizens ("civil asset forfeiture"). Unfortunately they don't seem to like to play by the rules.
No knock raid in the middle of the night. Her boyfriend, I think, rightfully fired on the officers as he probably couldn't see who it was and was defending their apartment from, what I would assume in the same situation, to be burglars. The police completely missed hitting him and shot Breanna instead.
No knock raid looking for drugs, busted into this lady's apt with no warning middle of the night, Her boyfriend thought they were intruders and grabbed his gun to protect her/himself. Police killed her, boyfriend lived but they tried charging him with attempted murder of an officer.
Complete bullshit, they found NO DRUGS, nothing illegal in the apartment.
Hey i just wanted to reach out and say i was wrong on this. You were right. I was caught up in the media scrub of the actual facts. Thank you for trying to point it out even if i wasn't listening at the time.
Cops did a no-knock raid on the wrong house - they claimed the postmaster had delivered mailed packages of drugs to the house (the post master denied). Cops rolled in and shot her while she was sleeping.
Ok, so plainclothes police broke into a house in the middle of the night, didn't announce themselves according to the neighbors, didn't announce themselves even after the occupants called out asking who was bashing on the door, and then after predictably being shot at, murdered a woman in her own home for the crime of being defended by her boyfriend.
They could've been sitting on drugs and piles of kiddie porn and I'd still send those cops to jail (together with the other criminals).
Respect is earned unfortunately, and cops haven't been doing much to earn it lately. I'm by no means a BLM/antifa supporter, but I'm sick of no knock raids, civil asset forfeiture (theft), and cops arresting law-abiding conservatives but ignoring domestic left-wing terrorists.
No knock warrants need to be used rarely. I'm talking like big crime organizations, terrorist camps, and the like. Not someone who may have gotten drugs delivered to their home through the post office.....
I guess here a better plan would be to surround the house, and call the guy and see if he'll come talk about the allegations, or maybe just call him and ask him to come down to the station. I'm sure the cops can get his number. Or simply put on some body armor and knock.... Or try to pick him up when he leaves the house (stakeout).
I respect the sanctity of law enforcement, but break in my house in the middle of the night, in plainclothes and without announcing yourself as police and you are liable for any holes you gain.
Honestly, even if cops stormed into your house and announced themselves as police, if you had done nothing wrong and they randomly shot your dog, wouldn't you shoot back? I see the dog killing as more of a way for them to goad you into committing suicide by cop than anything else.
You mean the person wasn't wrong and the place wasn't wrong? You mean that the person and the place were both part of the larger drug ring !!? Could you please give more information? This is new information for me.
As far as I know the warrant was for her apartment because her BF frequented the place. Not wrong place and person; that was the media spin because her BF wasn’t there at the time.
While it’s still not right in the slightest, you’d think someone training or becoming a first responder would make slightly better life choices than to be involved with a guy living that type of lifestyle.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
I want the cops to be terrified of no knock warrants. I want them ended. I have had a hatred of them since I found out what they were. This is something the right and left can agree on.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
So it appears they were given the option but wasn't executed as a "No-knock" Warrant but rather executed as a standard "Knock and Announce" Warrant.
It appears politicians (Yes, even Republicans) are using emotions run high to get things they wanted passed. Shocking right?
The one fired has been accused of firing blindly INTO the apartment from OUTSIDE, which only puts everyone else in danger (including the other officers).
He's the one that was fired and I'm okay with him specifically getting fired.
I completely agree. I just want people to be informed that this was indeed, a "Knock and Announce" warrant and that we're being lied to about it being a "No Knock" for political gain.
Question is, who was responsible to verify the address? Thats the one that should be fired. After all the cops did get shot at and returned fire. Its very sad but its feel likes a political sacrifice.
Though, they met the threshold for a no knock warrant, it was served as standard knock and announce warrant, through the admission of Taylors boyfriend.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Yeah, by all accounts this is the very sort of case that many conservative people have even been complaining about for years now. Plainclothes narcs busting into a home via a no-knock warrant, shooting through walls, and killing an EMT who's just sleeping in her own bed while her boyfriend tries to protect her and save her life? This case is horrible, just absolutely wrong on so many levels, yet people have largely not been mentioning her name nor have the officers involved even been fired let alone charged.
Hey, you know if you've read my previous posts that I'm really backing cops these days, and I support the profession, but I have ZERO problems calling out bad behavior, corruption, misconduct, etc. The badge is a symbol of honor, and in order to maintain that honor there must be high standards maintained across the board. I support the cop in Atlanta because I don't think he violated those standards despite the situation being tragic, while in this Louisville case I'm very disturbed by this issue which we've also witnessed elsewhere when some knuckleheads don't think everything through despite having plenty of time to enact better plans.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Even if the cops went to the right house and there were drugs/whatever inside, they and the judge should be convicted. The time and place for arresting the alleged criminal is wholly under their control, yet they decided a nighttime raid would be a great idea.
Sadly we were lied to about this being served as "No knock" warrant.
Here's the warrant they obtained, even though the evidence provided to meet the bar of "No Knock" was met, it was served as a "Knock and Announce", her boyfriend confirms this.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Make no mistake, the neocon war on drugs is why we see so many people hating the police. End the war on drugs, decriminalize pot and focus the DEA on fentanyl which is an actual threat.
Despite having reached the bar to serve the warrant as a "no knock" they didn't. Apparently by the admission of her boyfriend, it was served as a "Knock and Announce" warrant.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
So the media lied about this being served as a "no knock" warrant.
Unfortunately we have too many people nowadays that don't understand the importance of the safeguards we had against law enforcement abuse so they'll support this until the police no knock raids their house and kill their kid or something.
It is intentional that jogger, Floyd and napper are pushed in the media because it is clear to common sense people that they are bad dudes. And the goal is divisiveness, controversy and creating the illusion that common sense is evil. Common sense is the enemy of Leftists.
I haven been saying this from the start. All of the cases that should by all rights be worthy causes are ignored while protests are organized for shit tier human beings breaking the law and resisting. Intent? Dividing people. We’d be united for Breonna Taylor or John Crawford, and they don’t want that. You’d have fuckin bikers and constitutional carry types showing up for Crawford because the state he was shot in was an open carry state...but that one is ignored because it would unite both sides in a worthy, common cause.
I have no problem with officers who break the law or make mistakes being held accountable.
But I do have a problem with people being fired because the mob demands it.
If this is the finding of their investigation, good on them. But I have a feeling this is a response to the fact that Breonna Taylor's name was mentioned a thousand times in a Congressional hearing this week...
This is the one where there was a no knock raid right? What do they mean fired?? What would it take for this man to be tried for murder? Do they want people to riot for this one too before justice gets done?
Of all the recent cases, this no-knock murder was the only fucked up case. If they go without knocking, it is on their head to take care that innocents are not killed. They cannot equate firing from a job as a reasonable punishment for fatally shooting an innocent person who is sleeping in their own home, for absolutely no fault of theirs !!
Not just the policeman, EVERY person who was involved in issuing the warrant for the no knock raid needs to be tried for murder. There is zero excuse for this kind of bullshit.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
You fire people all the time without convicting them of someone.
"We're facing massive budget cuts in the future due to BLM protests and this guy over here has poor judgement. Get rid of him so we can keep the other police officers that aren't retarded."
This is the new trend. They will open up every similar case and retroactively fire/charge the officer. But only if shootee is black and shooter is white or at least non-black. Already happened in Kansas City. Watch.
If done properly, no knock warrants will save lives of police officers and criminals. If violent criminals are given a warning "knock at the door" that the police are there, they have time to grab their weapons or flee. No knock's catch criminals by surprise and they tend to save far more lives and are safer.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Was it a standard "knock and announce" if when he asked who was there they didnt say police? I believe as a trained peace officer you should anticipate the possibility that your perceived as a criminal. All he had to do was throw on a police plate carrier and yell police as they kicked in the door.
The standard "knock and announce" is to knock on the door and shout your presence. Its often done numerous times while the other officers check for movement.
Example of Knock and Announce being used before entry:
Same. I don’t do anything worthy of a warrant and search. The worst fuckin thing I do is speed. Someone kicks my door in, they got the wrong house one way or another. Bullets WILL be coming their way.
If the Leftards actually wanted to solve some problems, they would start with issues that are bipartisan - like this one with no-knock warrants. They would garner a shitton of support with this one.
Instead, they go full retard and deify the most fucktarded lot of the bunch.
A suspected drug dealer Louisville police were looking for on the night they shot and killed EMT Breonna Taylor had made “frequent trips” to her home where he had been receiving packages, according to the search warrant allowing officers to raid Taylor’s home.
In addition, the search warrant said Jamarcus Glover used Taylor’s address as his home address and was observed by police picking up a package from her apartment in January before driving to a “known drug house.”
Don't believe anything until all the facts come out. We have seen enough fake shit and claim against the cops.
MOST of these officer involved shootings would have never occurred had the career felon ‘victim’ been locked away for 20 years during one of his earlier dozen or so convictions.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
By his own admission, confirms that this was a standard "knock and announce" warrant.
Looks like fake news playing on emotions and politicians acting on the opportunity.
I have only read media accounts, but wasn’t this warrant served on an old address? This goes way beyond just the guy pulling the trigger. It goes all the way back to the swearing out of the warrant. A warrant sworn out on an old or incorrect address is exceptionally negligent, shitty police work. Even if the warrant is farmed out to a special team for service, the case officer needs to be there to ensure they are at the correct location and review the initial products of the warrant.
Swearing out a warrant, only to have it served by a third party is the first step in a potential colossal f’up.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
The address was apparently correct, it was linked to another place they raided. They may even have been involved in the drug trade, but the fact is that no drugs were found and someone died because the cops wanted to LARP.
Having your eyes closed doesn't make you any less of a criminal, police surveyed them for MONTHS beforehand, she was in on it. If you don't wanna do the time don't do the crime. Did you watch Brandon Tatum's or literally any other vid on it that talks about from a police perspective it like I recommended? If not you're willfully ignorant at this point and I'm done here. She wasn't innocent like the left is saying and I'm not having my mind changed on that. The facts have been put out there and people are choosing to ignore them. Not my problem.
See no-knock raids are one thing I'm totally against. Breonna Taylor was an actual bad cop no donut incident. The cops should be punished for this one.
The rest that BLM have been championing are all thugs.
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
this one actually makes sense to me , the rashard brooks one is ABSURD
Hey, no noticing allowed.
Epstein didn’t kill himself
Neither did his accomplice.
This guy knows whats going on, ☝️ 20% of west palm is jewish.
lmao
No need. NSA noticed also
This is your final notice
I posted a notice.
I noticed.
They just dont pick the right Heroes to Rally around, I absolutely don't give a shit if some crazy white guy on meth gets shot fighting with the cops. Absolutely none.
If they picked the "right" heroes to rally around, they wouldn't have many opportunities to riot and loot though. The number of unjustified shoots is so rare that their outrage wouldn't make sense.
That is by design. They don't want change, they want to divide. If everyone agrees, it is of no use to them.
In order to weaponize racism, they need it to be murky.
They need us to stand up and say, "Hey - the first part of the Rodney King video was him fighting the cops on PCP", or "Michael Brown held up that store and charged the cop!"
Then, they can say "YOU JUST DON'T VALUE BLACK BODIES" or some retarded horseshit. It has to be a totally binary thing in order to work: you either invite the mob in to rape your daughter and burn your house down, or you're in the Klan.
The operation was ridiculous and the department should be open to lawsuits. I get the feeling the rank and file officers are getting fucked over. If they were told to execute a no knock raid then they were setup for failure.
A cop is also going to want to defend himself and breaking into someone's fucking house is going to create a high risk scenario for the officer and the occupants.
I think the "she was shot while sleeping" just like the other guy was "shot while sleeping at wendy's"
Based on the boyfriend's description she was awake and with him yelling "who's there" at the police while they broke into their home.
That doesn't excuse what happened, this no-knock raid was a travesty and she was absolutely a victim here.
I'm just saying she wasn't like, lying in bed asleep and they shot her through a wall or something like that like they're trying to make it sound.
I agree. My bet was that she was involved in dealing. The facts will come out
Y'all give way too much credit to where credit's not due... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GoOFJF0PpU
Yes. And she didn't die due to systemic racism.
Correct. The timing of the George Floyd incident was a little too convenient
LOL, because there are no violent police in the world outside Israeli Intelligence. Good to know.
I THOUGHT SYSTEMIC RACISM WAS THE PROBLEM!?!??!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
More cops will die without the ability to get a no knock warrant.
Dan Bongino on his podcast made a good case as to why no knock warrants are a good thing
I'll listen to the opinions of a former officer than pearl clutching armchair cops
I don't really follow Bongino, but a police officer can tell you what tactics are effective in the field and what keeps them and their teammates alive, but they are not necessarily going to be geniuses about the greater impacts and implications of what they're doing.
Absolutely heed their words, but realize it's not the whole picture.
No-knock raids mean a death sentence for any innocent citizens who justly and wisely defend themselves in their homes, and they condition the population to never use deadly force in defense.
There might be some incredibly dire circumstance where a no-knock makes sense, but it seems like they're using them in an attempt to catch drugs on site.
No-knock raids make sense if there are hostages in danger. Of course, then it isn't a no-knock raid but a SWAT hostage situation, so I'm not sure this even counts in favor of no-knock warrants.
When they are used to prevent attempts at disposal of evidence, that's lazy evidence-gathering by use of overwhelming deadly force. "It would be too difficult to do this the right way." is not sufficient moral justification for the hazard no-knock raids present.
Standard practice in many cases is to shoot all dogs in the house.
make up your own mind. Dan is right about a A LOT, but he aint right about everything.
What was it last month Dan spent a week or so where he kept mentioning how we have to get rid of social security... every time he brought it up I would tell him (I'm talking to the TV) "Dan, don't go there... not gonna happen Dan... you should just drop it..."
And then at the end of the week, Dan did an interview with the president, and it was obvious GEOTUS watches Dan, because without any prompting by Dan, GEOTUS goes out of his way to mention that he is not going to get rid of social security. I started laughing and shouted at the TV, "That's right Dan! Time to move on!"
I have a ton of respect for the man, and I agree with him maybe 90% of the time... but he isnt automatically right about everything just because he's Dan...
I don't care what some cops have to say about anything that is unconstitutional.
You can't be secure in your property or your papers with a bunch of cops busting down your doors unannounced in the middle of the night.
The reasons can be super flimsy. If there is any social media of you picturing a gun, seemingly simple arrests can get upgraded to no knock.
The rights of the citizen are above the safety of the police. Find some other way to arrest people and gather evidence that doesn't increase the danger of shooting innocent people.
On most things he's right. Here, he's wrong. I get what he was saying, but his argument basically boiled down to the cops need to do it because if they didn't do it, they wouldn't be safe while they were behaving in an unsafe way.
Here's a thought. Take the same cops who were going to do the raid at 5 am and surround the house. Then call the guy on the inside. No answer? Bullhorn! No answer? Loud countdown to teargass.
No knock raids are as dangerous for the cops as they are for the 2A supporting American. Cops crash into your house in the middle of the night, before you realize its the police when you were sleeping and groggy, shots can go off from either side.
No knock raids, even regular raids at night time, should be unconstitutional. If we know a criminal is at a location, there is ZERO reason to go in unannounced, and even less reason to do it in the dark. By the time law enforcement needs to forcefully arrest someone, there should already be a mountain of evidence, the only reason they like going in at night time is so they can find more evidence that they should have had in the first place to execute the work therefore the warrant and be served in daylight hours and announced.
I was always confused as to why the police would want to effectuate an arrest of a suspect where the suspect is most likely to have access to their stash of weapons.
Have to justify the swat team budget in a suburban town where nothing interesting ever happens.
Google text to speech made it funky.
Cops always have the upper hand, but I said shit can happen on both sides because it can and has. I was living in Canada for a few years when this happened.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-man-acquitted-in-police-officer-slaying-1.698274
I agree with you, no knock raids are bs. Im just saying if l was a cop l would hate them too. I just dont trust a desk clerk for info/intel if my life or the life if an innocent family was on the line.
Lol cops are not in favor of people having guns .
What the hell kind of "friend" does that? Did he have a bs excuse or was he strait up robbing you?
Ah, context makes sense. Today, accidents could happen if someone did that.
There is almost never, if not never, a reason for a no-knock. Unless there is actively a hostage situation where the perpetrator is expected to imminently kill hostages, there should never be no knock.
If he doesn't, he's not harming anyone.
Exactly
In my state, the state supreme court cucked out on no-knock warrants and stated that homeowners had no right right to resist even in homes where no-knock warrants were improperly served (i.e. police raid the wrong address) thereby leading to criminal charges against the homeowner for resisting arrest/murder, etc.
Within a week of the decision, the based general assembly unanimously (republicans and democrats) changed the law to explicitly allow homeowners to utilize all means of defense (including lethal force) against police wrongfully in their home for any reason...including serving the warrant on the wrong address. In the five years since the law changed, we've had no civilian or police deaths or injuries for no-knock raids because the police have abandoned them.
What state was that?
I think indiana did it. Not sure though
Please tell me I'm not the only person that has booby traps on their perporty for pigs / joggers ?
No, but that doesn't mean you're not an idiot. A mechanism you don't control is one that presents as much danger to yourself and your loved ones as it does to those you mean for it to harm.
The officers in the Brooks case did everything by the book to a T, and gave him every chance to surrender. Unfortunately a career felon like Brooks, who got out of prison early (in there for child abuse mind you) due to COVID, don’t want to go back, and being a law abiding citizen is just too hard.
He literally stole an officer's taser, ran and shot at the officers pursuing. That is a 100% legal reason to shoot to neutralize him, who has became a threat.
Democrats and BLM just love kneeling for criminals, it's ridiculous. George Floyd was also scum. They had to go.
What I really don't understand is how they justified any charges on the officer that arrived on scene first. He did EVERYTHING by the book. He didn't even assault the guy. He just assisted when Brooks resisted arrest. He was polite, and probably would have given the guy a damn warning if he wasn't obviously wrecked and behind the wheel. Where is M.A.D.D. When ya need them? (Mothers against Drunk Driving).
Liberal point 1: Wendy's shouldn't have called the cops on a guy passed out in his car, in the drive through line.
Liberal point 2: The cop that arrived shouldn't have called the DUI cops and should have given him a pass.
Liberal point 3: The DUI cop shouldn't have conducted a DUI test.
Liberal point 4: The cops shouldn't have arrested him.
Liberal point 5: They should have resisted his resting arrest.
Liberal point 6: They were "butthurt" that the guy took two of them out and stole their taser so they didn't want the boys back at the precinct to make fun of them - so they shot him dead.
There are many more I've seen - but its absurd. I lived in New Orleans. I worked "Bayou Classic". I am a nice guy and don't to this day give individuals a chance no matter the color of their skin - but just like a mosh-pit at a heavy metal show, it'd be dumb to go into a ghetto without knowing where you're at.
Anyone who wants to question me on that should take a trip to New Orleans for the next Bayou Classic and work one of the bars. It's eye opening.
That ex jogger had some wicked ground game
OP. Can you edit your comment? Breona Taylors death was not with a no knock warrant.
There were two warrants for her an her ex-bf who had been drug trafficking for years. The warrant on his trap house was a no knock warrant (and for good reason). The warrant on her house was a regular warrant and people are arguing that her current bf opened fire on the police because of this.
Officer Tatum Debunks the BT No Knock misinformation from the media
" The warrant on her house was a regular warrant and people are arguing that her current bf opened fire on the police because of this."
You got details on this one? I would like to read about the gunbattle or whatever.
Here's the Warrant: https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Despite being given the "No Knock" option, this was served as a "Knock and Announce" warrant. Her boyfriends admission in court confirms this. (Sorry for the unarchived links.)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
As for the shootout, Officer Mattingly was shot in his leg, hitting the femoral artery.
Local News article that mentions his wound:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/lmpd-officer-shot-woman-found-dead-following-narcotics-investigation/article_8a8c9eda-64ec-11ea-b353-032ffc9fd65c.html
Heres also a local news article on their own investigation.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/05/13/facts-what-we-know-about-shooting-death-breonna-taylor/
Apparently we were lied to by not just the media but our own politicians on the warrant so that they can both get clicks and politcal gain.
The residents and neighbors dispute the police account of the situation. I'm sure body can footage will prove one side correct, and if it proves the police wrong it will totally never be lost or destroyed.
Wow. Just.....Wow. This is nothing like we were told by......well....everyone in the media.
*What evidence does Tatum have here? There was a guy in the house that shot an officer. The guy isn't being charged. If there was a knock and they started shooting, he would be charged.
Heres the warrant if you're interested:
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
It appears that despite being given the "No Knock" option, that this was served as a "Knock and Announce" warrant. By the admission of the boyfriend it confirms they knocked.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
It's possible Walker didn't hear them announce the Department they were with or didn't believe them and took up a position where he was able to fire at the officers making entry.
Officer Mattingly was shot in leg, hitting the femoral artery. The officers returned fire.
Breonna Taylor, was found in the hallway but the boyfriend apparently was uninjured.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/05/13/facts-what-we-know-about-shooting-death-breonna-taylor/
Local news seems to confirm that with the lawyer. So she wasn't killed in her sleep.
I just want to clear up the idea that this was served as "No Knock" warrant. We were lied to about this and the media is loving the clicks, and the politicians are loving the political gain.
He offers no proof or sources at all, his whole argument is basically just, "The opposite of everything everyone said is true, I heard it."
Apparently during the court hearing the boyfriend admitted that he heard a knock.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
So it appears that despite being given the "no knock" option, they opted to serve this as a standard "Knock and Announce".
Heres the warrant if you're interested in the evidence they gathered. We apparently were lied to about her name not being on the warrant.
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Well, the 'and announce' section of 'knock and announce' is in dispute according to the guy and neighbors, and the announcing is way more important than the knocking.
Of the sections on the warrant pertaining to the 3003 address; points 8 and 9 appear to be lies, since the post office denied that it was involved in any investigation. "However, Tony Gooden, the U.S. postal inspector in Louisville, said police never contacted his office to verify that information.
Gooden also told WDRB that there were "no packages of interest" going to Taylor's home. He said if LMPD went outside of his jurisdiction to verify information about packages to Taylor's residence, that would be highly unusual and inappropriate."
Lying on a warrant application in two points throws all of the information into doubt. So should I trust rest of the warrant, and should I trust the police saying they announced themselves as police, either?
This is why they're in court. Here's some Case Law and Supreme Court rulings that will determine whether or not their "Knock and Announce" was done legally.
United States v. Thompson, 667 F. Supp. 2d 758 (S.D. Ohio 2009) https://casetext.com/case/us-v-thompson-156
Hudson v. Michigan - 547 U.S. 586, 126 S. Ct. 2159 (2006) https://www.lexisnexis.com/community/casebrief/p/casebrief-hudson-v-michigan
Richards v. Wisconsin, 520 U.S. 385 (1997) https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/520/385/
Here's one attorneys take on it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170726130622/https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/warrants-the-knock-notice-rule.html
As for the warrant, the Judge is the one that signs off on it. After all they review the evidence provided. What makes this pants on head retarded, is that Judges are covered by Judicial Immunity and cannot be sued. So a district court can determine if an officer is covered by Qualified Immunity when they're sued, yet a Judge can just get away with it.
When it comes to the Postal Inspector, what can be determined "Unusual and inappropriate" can just be that. What needs to be found is if what was done is legal. It's possible that this other law enforcement department is looking for Jamarcus Glover and this information was given to LMPD.
As for his statement of " no packages of interest" doesn't mean anything, what matters is whether or not Jamarcus Glover was having his mail sent there which could indicate that he possibly frequents that home. The Postal Inspector confirms that, even if it was just "clothing and shoes".
Breonna Taylor, had her name on this warrant. With her past and previous relationship with Jamarcus Glover it's possible she was part of this drug ring, after all she is an EMT which gives her access to narcotics.
From what I see here, it's the fault of the Judge since they gave it the green light and signed off on this. It's just a damn shame you can't sue them.
When it comes to the execution of the warrant, I believe both Police and Walker are telling the truth here. It's possible that after knocking, Police shouted who they were and no one heard it.
Walker is in the right to believe that he was about to be robbed since he only just heard the knocking and took up a defensive position. After 3 swings from the Ram and making entry before anyone shouted who they were and their intention, Walker shot and wounded an officer, and Police have every right as Walker does to defend themselves, after all they are executing their warrant and made their move having received no response from inside.
A shootout ensues and then a shadowed figure runs into the hallway and Police believing it's their shooter, react by shooting 10 to 20 times and connecting 8 shots. Breonna Taylor lies dead in the hallway and Walker is left uninjured.
Walker is than arrested and Officer Mattingly is sent to the hospital in critical condition with a leg wound that hit his femoral artery.
Jamarcus Glover is arrested at a Trap House they had used the "No knock" option for that night, and everyone there was arrested and no one was killed.
Hopefully Walker isn't charged with attempted murder if this happens to be the case. People are people after all and each individual person acts, reacts and behaves differently.
Breonna Taylor could be innocent in all this too and it was just unfortunate that she dated Jamarcus Glover and was suspected of being a part of his drug ring, her job as an EMT only made her more suspect.
This was just a complete shitshow.
No knock raids should not exist. The standard for search warrants should be raised.
But if they had a legal warrant, the city and judge should be responsible... not the individual officer
You are not pro 2A if this shooting doesn't bother you. By all available evidence so far she was a good regular hard working American. I'm all for good cops but they cant just break in and not announce their presence and be surprised. when someone uses their constitutional right to self defense. There is absolutely no reason they cant make a perimeter and call someone out with a PA from their armored MRAP/Bearcat. It is safer for all parties.
No-knock raids are nonsense that puts officer's and homeowner's lives in danger.
Yup. I honestly didn't have much of an opinion on them until I saw that case and how terrible of a shoot that was. That officer absolutely needs to be held accountable. The Brooks shooting was justified every day of the week. It's amazing what can happen when you allow for nuance in your thinking.
Here's the warrant: https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Apparently through the admission of Taylors boyfriend, confirms it was served as a "knock and announce" warrant.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
After knocking on the door and announcing repeatedly they made entry. One officer was hit in the femoral artery which provoked them to shoot back.
We apparently are being lied to about this being a "no knock" warrant.
But what do you expect with Benjamin Crump? The guy that brought us such classics like...
Trayvon Martin and the concrete beating of George Zimmerman
Michael Brown and the Case of "Can I beat an officer and get away with it?"
This ambulance chaser is always there when a White on Black incident occurs.
If someone broke in my house I'd fight back too. It's dark, you don't know if they are who they say they are either. Any criminal can claim they're a cop and dress up.
I agree, it's unfortunate since criminals have gotten smarter and decided to adopt such tactics to hit their rival gangs homes and trap houses for drugs, guns or w/e.
Page 8, point number 15, they requested a no knock warrant.
Taylor, her dealer boyfriend, and one other were all listed specifically as subjects to be searched with the warrant. She lived in a trap house and she knew what her boyfriend was up to. She assumed the risks.
Meanwhile, no knock warrants are essential to the protection of police lives from drug dealers who are armed to the teeth.
The officer was following the law... We can talk about ending no-knock warrants, but that doesnt mean it wasnt justified under current law. Also they did knock for Breonna. They didnt knock for her ex bf, and there were no shots fired in that case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVWB7LYuo6U
That may be true but if an officer executes a no-knock warrant according to his training then he should not be fired or charged.
Go after the policy, not the individual carrying out the policy.
Yeah who signed the warrant and gave the order for the no-knock raid???
That officer is complicit in complying with policies that are wrong.
Your type of thinking is the "I'm just doing my job" type which the Nazis told themselves as well.
Dude, that all sounds great on the internet and stuff. But in practice there would be no police and no rule of law at all if every officer decided whether or not to follow orders.
If you don't like the law, change the law.
You could be fired and imprisoned today for following some law that SOME OTHER PERSON doesn't like. See how tricky it is?
Is that the Boomer logic that was used to get you to accept the war on drugs? "IF WE DON'T STOP THE COCAINE THERE WILL BE NO LAW!!!!!"
Bullshit. The law is wrong and those who enforce wrong laws are wrong. Stop justifying steppers because the policy says "it's okay". It's not okay and "changing the law" isn't going to happen. You know as well as I do that the politicians are just as corrupt as the law enforcement that serves them.
"Change the law" is easy to say from the armchair and in reality is just an excuse to shut down discussion.
"Don't follow orders" is easy to say from the armchair too, tough guy.
Does not excuse being a piece of shit and complying with shit orders. That's how Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia happen.
Not really the same. There is definite separation from “we are searching a criminals house”.... and the issue of a warrant and those in charge of making sure the warrant is correct.
Willfully complying in a no knock in civilian clothes should seem so obviously wrong and it was.
But the officers didn't think it was wrong because they think they are better than us. They think authority elevates them when it doesn't. If any of them were so honorable, they would have spoken up about why it was wrong or at the very least admitted wrong doing.
But none of them did. They were all about putting Kennith Walker behind bars cause he dared to defend his home. And the message they want you to hear loud and clear is they are allowed to go into your home whenever they want and shoot you dead if you resist.
Unfortunately we were lied to about this being served as a "No Knock" warrant.
Through the admission of Taylors boyfriend, this was served as a "Knock and Announce" warrant. (Sorry for the non archived link)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Here's the warrant if you're interested.
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Go after the judge that signed off and the policy makers then.
No-knock is an 'and one' on the end of a search/seizure/arrest warrant. Officers and departments do not have to execute one, even if permission is granted by an idiot statist judge.
Holy false equivalency, Batman! A cashier isn't killing anyone and Karen is far from any moral point of reason!
Following orders is NOT a valid reason. That is exactly how they are high-jacking our military. By making sure people don't question orders and those who do are punished.
Again, your reasoning is why tyranny happens. "Policy" does not make it legal or morally right.
Yes, I will reserve personal judgement at the moment on the officer's behavior, but I agree with you 100%. It is unfortunate that we have LEO's caught up in bad policy, on top of all the shit that's being thrown their way now.
I think exactly the same.
If I carry out an illegal action in compliance with my companies policy, then I am still criminally liable. No reason it shouldn't be the same for this officer.
Correct, but that doesn't apply in this case. No-knock warrants currently legal.
I'm certain a case for at least involuntary manslaughter or criminal negligence or even breach of peace can be levied against someone. Cops should use their balls and refuse no-knocks.
No-knock raids are a bad idea.
What if the address is wrong?
What if this person the police are suppose to be sneaking up on- was in the Armed forces and seen action before?
In many American homes, the police could get accidentally shot by a groggy homeowner that thinks it's a home invasion.
What if the woman had a child in the bed with her?
It is a circus of Bad ideas.
Read the story of Cory Maye. Cases like these are also why I do not support the death penalty.
Thankfully, this one had a somewhat happy ending.
Heck even knock and announce in the middle of the night is not great. I once had the police hang on my door in the middle of the night. I woke up not knowing what was happening, thinking someone was trying to break in, and went downstairs with a gun and took a defensive position. When I saw someone walk past a window in a uniform I realized it was the cops, stashed the gun and answered the door.
Turns out my kids had left a car door open and the cops thought it had been broken into. They were just trying to be helpful, but I can't imagine the shit that would've gone down if they happened to see me inside holding a gun.
Going into a house in the dark when the occupants are sleeping is just a recipe for accidents.
I agree they are a bad idea in many cases, but there are ways to ensure the address is right. in this case, they had photos of the specific door step and her address verified on the form. However - they are currently legal so the officer shouldnt be punished for following the law and shooting back when they shoot at him.
i shared this above - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVWB7LYuo6U
They're illegal horse shit, just like "civil asset forfeiture" (theft by cop). Just because a law is written doesn't mean it can suddenly trump the 4th amendment protections against unreasonable searches and seizures.
The officer was following procedure, and the homeowner was following procedure protecting his family from an intruder sneaking in. This was sad it was over a warrant no one had to get shot over.
IMHO, the officer needs to be put on a desk, and receive some counseling for shooting an innocent person[-that doesn't sit well with many, and it has not come up]
and- her family needs to be compensated and supported for their loss-.
But-no- knock warrants guarantee it will 9x out of 10, be a violent call, possibly ending the officers' life- even if the wrong address is on the warrant, and they go to a home with law-abiding citizens by mistake.
actually, hers wasnt even a no-knock. Ironically her bf was detained with a no-knock raid and no one was injured.
One of my big fears is waking to an alarm and the sound of intruders. I do not want to get into a gunfight with LEOs. That would not benefit anyone involved.
Likely, with a dead LEO or so. My family has more of my concern.
The risk to officers' lives should be highlighted. A normal armed homeowner who otherwise could've explained the situation peacefully is inclined to grab their gun and start shooting when unidentified people suddenly burst through their door in the middle of the night. That puts them at risk of getting shot, and it puts officers at risk of getting shot. If a suspect is home and officers know their location and there isn't otherwise an immediate risk to anyone's life, there's no reason they can't take them into custody later when they leave.
officer tatum brings up the example of child porn, where you could save children by not allowing the child predator to delete the harddrives and stuff first. Another example used often used is flushing drugs down the toilet. Also, if someone has a hostage or potential victims and may be a murder/suicide risk.
You are talking about infringing the 4th amendment rights of everyone, potentially creating deadly situations where neither side is sure of the identification or intent of the other, and deliberately escalating an already volatile situation all in service of preserving evidence?
Only the latter is applicable, and is covered by where I said "isn't otherwise an immediate risk to anyone's life."
If the police believe there are drugs on a property and don't want the occupant flushing them, they can get a warrant, wait until the suspect leaves, and then search the property. Same for deleting child porn. And if in some conceivable scenario someone might be able to successfully escape prosecution by them not being able to burst through their door unannounced with guns drawn, then oh fucking well. You're not going to catch everyone. Where does that mentality eventually lead other than increasing invasions of the people's privacy and infringement on their rights?
They can also get a warrant to shut off water and sewer access. "The water in the suspect's toilet bowl was 30% cocaine by weight." is evidence too.
you make a good point.
They'll always have examples like this. Does the suspect ever leave their home? Can you catch them on their way to the grocery store and serve the search warrant once it's safe to do so? Of course, but American cops want to act like they're busting down doors in Iraq and playing call of duty.
Get rid of no knock warrants and shit like this happens less often. If you come into my house you're getting ventilated.
Yup, slip me a warrant under the door and let me read it first and I'll peacefully surrender no problem, but I need an opportunity to assess that you've actually done your part in the social contract ... Otherwise I can't differentiate you kicking down my door for 'legitimate' reasons from the stazi coming to haul me away for political reasons.
Even if you won't surrender immediately, is it worth an officer's life when you could simply be starved out? We put too much emphasis on "arrest him now" and not enough on peacekeeping
Exactly. No sense getting s shit ton of people killed, including your own.
No shit. Read the Gulag Archipelago for some of the ways they cleverly arrested people in public without them knowing. If the Soviets could do that 70 years ago to a huge portion of their population, I'm sure we can be just as smart and serve warrants to people without murdering them.
They already did fake NFL ticket events to arrest people, so there's definitely someone with a brain and some creativity out there.
It was a good read
Lol starved out. I have 3 months food and water.
So do I; Most criminals don't
Thats great. But what if it is a drug case or CP case or a hostage case. Should you just wait for the criminal to delete/flush everything before going in?
You should probably arrest them outside of their home and then search the home when you have control of the situation.
Busting into a house for child porn is retarded. You're going to greatly increases the odds of someone dying in order to maybe prevent the destruction of copies of pictures and communications, which the FBI probably already has evidence of, and the NSA has already been spying on.
Not to mention the goal of drug interdiction is to get drugs off of the streets. Well, if they are flushed, the drugs are no longer on the streets.
There is no need to militarize preservation of evidence concerns.
Not just went into the
wronghouse, booted down the door in the middle of the night, and her boyfriend rightfully grabbed his gun acting in self defense of what he thought was an intruder breaking in.Edit: i was quoting the OP, it was not the Wrong house on the warrant, but they got a warrant for her house because of her relationship with an Ex boyfriend who lived across town.
That guy was an intruder breaking in. Badge or not.
100 percent.
Don’t forget. The left cheered when they did it to Roger Stone.
They didn't do a no knock on him, they pounded on the door saying police!
I’ll have to watch the CNN coverage on that. Thought it was big deal at the time. My bad then. Still they hoped he would get shot.
It WAS an intruder breaking in. No knocks are government sanctioned home invasions. Call it what it is.
Unfortunately we're being lied to, it was a standard knock and announce warrant.
Warrant confirms that they were after her.
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Her boyfriends admission in court reveals that this was executed as a "knock and announce" warrant.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
And the cop that was fired, was blindly shooting from outside the house in. This is why he was fired.
while that is terrible, it was the correct address and Breonnas name was on the warrant.
That’s not even what happened. They had a warrant with her name on it and she was also involved in the drug dealing her bf was doing.
It was her EX boyfriend, who lived 10 miles away, and they put a warrant on her place too. She was there with her current boyfriend and they FOUND NOTHING at her place.
Can you cite evidence for that claim? Also I could put your name on a warrant, doesn't mean you did it. Corrupt judges will rubberstamp warrants without reading them.
I just wanted to reach out and say you were right on this and i was wrong, ive been going through my post history to find comments i made on this story based on media lies and omissions. Thank you for standing strong against the tide and speaking the truth. I didn't know it at the time but do now.
Hey, i just wanted to reach out and apologize for being wrong on this. The media did one hell of a number covering up the facts and i was baited into believing the worst. You were right, and im glad you called it out back then.
No need to apologize, just need to really looks for the spin on literally every word out of their mouth, especially when it conveniently fits their narrative.
Wasn't he already arrested too?
I don't know, i just know it was a no knock raid where they found nothing but left a woman dead in her own apartment.
Iirc (I haven't verified shit tbh) the original story was that the guy they were looking for was already in custody
Yeah but it wasn't the cops fault, they went into the wrong house overall, but they went into the address that was on the warrant. The person who filed for and approved the warrant should be fired. Not the cop who was enforcing it.
The when reason we have the 4th amendment is because of bullshit like this. Our government likes to ignore everything that is supposed to limit its power though, and there are too many bootlickers that support it.
Unfortunately we were lied to about this being a "No Knock" warrant. Despite meeting the threshold to execute this as a "No Knock", this was executed as a "Knock and Announce" warrant.
Warrant if you're interested:
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Through the boyfriends admission in court, it confirms they knocked on the door.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Buttle, Tuttle, whats the fucking difference.
it wasnt the wrong address. She had shipped drugs there and was on the warrant.
Cop complied with a policy that should be unconstitutional.
Right. We definitely need to impeach and imprison these judges, because they absolutely know better. But the cops aren't innocent either.
It wasnt a no knock, the cops were banging on the door and that is what made the boyfriend grab his gun and fire on them when they came through the door.
That was their version of events.
Heres the warrant if you're interested:
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Yeah "Hey there's a violent felon at this address go No-Knock and apprehend." Then there's a dude with a gun at the actual address innocent or not.
The police officers had everything right. The person filing the wrong address should go down for murder.
Stop spreading this BS.
She was NAMED ON THE WARRANT.
The department confirmed with the post office that the packages were coming to and from that address.
March 12: Police note in the arrest warrant request that they verified with postal inspectors that Glover was receiving packages at Taylor's address.
May 15: Louisville Postal Inspector Tony Gooden says that his office was not a part of an inspection of possible drug trafficking activity in packages delivered to Breonna Taylor's address.
Stop spreading lies.
Heres the warrant:
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Though despite meeting the threshold for the option of "No Knock" this was served as a standard "Knock and Announce" warrant.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVWB7LYuo6U
Wasn't the wrong house
They did make up the evidence used to get the warrant, so it was the wrong house. City postmaster denied ever having participated in the investigation, so the cops never verified that Glover was receiving parcels at Taylor's house.
THEY DIDNT GO INTO THE WRONG HOUSE.
Does that mean that the cops which killed Duncan Lemp are going to get fired too? Oh, what's that, his parents got threatened with arrest for protesting his death?
Guess black lives do matter more than other lives then.
There's a case here in Missouri that might be worth keeping an eye on : Hannah Fizer, who was pulled over on a routine traffic stop (I think she is accused of running a red light). The cop claims she threatened to shoot him, but no gun was found on her or in her vehicle. Shot dead ; cop had no dash cam, no body cam.
Anyway, it could have been a justified shooting, but something about it is setting off my hink-o-meter. But since she's white and all we have is the cop's version of events , we may never get the truth.
There's very little information here. What's it all about?
What even made them serve that warrant in the first place? Whether you agree whether it should exist or not if it does exist then you would expect there to be some heavy burden of proof or something to issue such a warrant even if it is to be allowed.
Thanks. There's a lot of normies that still think the police are infallible and always honest, and that judges scrutinize everything that comes across their desk.
The officers executing the warrant didn't fuck it up. They went to the address they were given, which happened to be wrong. They got fired on, and fired back, according to their training.
It all sucks really bad but that doesn't mean the officers were directly at fault.
"that doesn't mean the officers were directly at fault."
But it does mean somebody in the department was.
Someone has to go to jail for something. The right charges should be brought upon a the right person afforded due process, but ultimately someone committed a crime here.
Agreed
New info: per the memorandum firing the detective, Internal Affairs sustained 5 complaints. https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/redacted-1592581578.pdf
Probably the previous complaint damned him, but the people responsible for this death are the people who generated and signed the no-knock warrant, not the officer.
If they don't want bullets going through walls, don't put officers in a position where they are likely to have to discharge weapons indoors.
Yes. But the thread is about the individual officer.
fair enough. I think whoever signs a no-knock warrant should be personally liable, not thee officers if they behaved properly. Might cut down on no-knocks too
The officers should be refusing to conduct no knock raids, just like they should refuse to steal from citizens ("civil asset forfeiture"). Unfortunately they don't seem to like to play by the rules.
No knock raid in the middle of the night. Her boyfriend, I think, rightfully fired on the officers as he probably couldn't see who it was and was defending their apartment from, what I would assume in the same situation, to be burglars. The police completely missed hitting him and shot Breanna instead.
Shot her 8 times. They were also dressed in plain clothes.
Which just boggles my mind.
Why? We DO have a police problem in this country and it stems from yeas of systematic deconstruction of our rights and freedoms.
The end goal is to keep you fearful of getting no knocked and the state will throw you in jail if you dare defend yourself.
Oh no it's purposeful. This is how they implement the police state while keeping us looking the other way.
No knock raid looking for drugs, busted into this lady's apt with no warning middle of the night, Her boyfriend thought they were intruders and grabbed his gun to protect her/himself. Police killed her, boyfriend lived but they tried charging him with attempted murder of an officer.
Complete bullshit, they found NO DRUGS, nothing illegal in the apartment.
Wtf! Complete bullshit! In this case the cops should definitely get in trouble.
Your comment couldn't be further from the truth...
Wrong.
Hey i just wanted to reach out and say i was wrong on this. You were right. I was caught up in the media scrub of the actual facts. Thank you for trying to point it out even if i wasn't listening at the time.
Cops did a no-knock raid on the wrong house - they claimed the postmaster had delivered mailed packages of drugs to the house (the post master denied). Cops rolled in and shot her while she was sleeping.
No knock warrant
Plain clothes
That sounds like government sanctioned home invasion and execution. Intentions are irrelevant
Yes these are the salient points in the debacle
Ok, so plainclothes police broke into a house in the middle of the night, didn't announce themselves according to the neighbors, didn't announce themselves even after the occupants called out asking who was bashing on the door, and then after predictably being shot at, murdered a woman in her own home for the crime of being defended by her boyfriend.
They could've been sitting on drugs and piles of kiddie porn and I'd still send those cops to jail (together with the other criminals).
Cops shot a woman 8 times in her home while conducting a no-knock raid. No drugs were found.
I'm sure the cops were quite upset that they weren't able to find free drugs that night and had to file all that paperwork for murdering someone.
they're gonna take cops guns away. we're gonna be the next france where no one respects them
You mean the Cops or the French?
Does France have the South Side of Chicago?
In a No-knock warrant, they would be armed considering they were looking for drugs. Even in England, they use armed cops for this.
Respect is earned unfortunately, and cops haven't been doing much to earn it lately. I'm by no means a BLM/antifa supporter, but I'm sick of no knock raids, civil asset forfeiture (theft), and cops arresting law-abiding conservatives but ignoring domestic left-wing terrorists.
No knock warrants need to be used rarely. I'm talking like big crime organizations, terrorist camps, and the like. Not someone who may have gotten drugs delivered to their home through the post office.....
I guess here a better plan would be to surround the house, and call the guy and see if he'll come talk about the allegations, or maybe just call him and ask him to come down to the station. I'm sure the cops can get his number. Or simply put on some body armor and knock.... Or try to pick him up when he leaves the house (stakeout).
Most no-knock raids are primarily for drugs per crime stats.
Large scale drugs (ie producing/distribution) or simple drug possession?
Family pet at the least.
I respect the sanctity of law enforcement, but break in my house in the middle of the night, in plainclothes and without announcing yourself as police and you are liable for any holes you gain.
Honestly, even if cops stormed into your house and announced themselves as police, if you had done nothing wrong and they randomly shot your dog, wouldn't you shoot back? I see the dog killing as more of a way for them to goad you into committing suicide by cop than anything else.
Louisville resident here. Warrant was for her apartment. Wasn't the wrong place or the wrong person. Apartment was part of larger drug ring.
You mean the person wasn't wrong and the place wasn't wrong? You mean that the person and the place were both part of the larger drug ring !!? Could you please give more information? This is new information for me.
As far as I know the warrant was for her apartment because her BF frequented the place. Not wrong place and person; that was the media spin because her BF wasn’t there at the time.
While it’s still not right in the slightest, you’d think someone training or becoming a first responder would make slightly better life choices than to be involved with a guy living that type of lifestyle.
Here's the warrant used and the evidence they gathered to obtain the "No Knock" Option.
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Though, despite being granted this option, they opted to serve this as a "Knock and Announce"
Through the boyfriends admission, (Couldn't find an archived link)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Read between the lines of the Wikipedia spin. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Breonna_Taylor
So the cops guessed without investigating it properly, drafted up a warrant and then thought they would LARP like Zero Dark Thirty. Nah fuck that.
Yeah, pretty much. Cops LARPing as specops to catch low level drug dealers killed someone again. Such a great use of police resources.
I want the cops to be terrified of no knock warrants. I want them ended. I have had a hatred of them since I found out what they were. This is something the right and left can agree on.
Ruby Ridge = no-knock raid
May she rest in the loving embrace of Our Father in Heaven. No matter what your politics is, this stuff has to stop.
Police and The People must protect, and care deeply for, one another.
Apologies for non-archived links, couldn't find one in the Waybackmachine.
Here is the Breonna Taylor Warrant.
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Here's the Local News and their own findings.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/05/13/facts-what-we-know-about-shooting-death-breonna-taylor/
Apparently through the admission of her boyfriend in court, they did knock on the door.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
So it appears they were given the option but wasn't executed as a "No-knock" Warrant but rather executed as a standard "Knock and Announce" Warrant.
It appears politicians (Yes, even Republicans) are using emotions run high to get things they wanted passed. Shocking right?
"Never let a tragedy go to waste" -Rahm Emanual
The one fired has been accused of firing blindly INTO the apartment from OUTSIDE, which only puts everyone else in danger (including the other officers).
He's the one that was fired and I'm okay with him specifically getting fired.
I completely agree. I just want people to be informed that this was indeed, a "Knock and Announce" warrant and that we're being lied to about it being a "No Knock" for political gain.
Thank you very much for the post. Very informative.
Question is, who was responsible to verify the address? Thats the one that should be fired. After all the cops did get shot at and returned fire. Its very sad but its feel likes a political sacrifice.
Here's the Warrant: https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Though, they met the threshold for a no knock warrant, it was served as standard knock and announce warrant, through the admission of Taylors boyfriend.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Yeah, by all accounts this is the very sort of case that many conservative people have even been complaining about for years now. Plainclothes narcs busting into a home via a no-knock warrant, shooting through walls, and killing an EMT who's just sleeping in her own bed while her boyfriend tries to protect her and save her life? This case is horrible, just absolutely wrong on so many levels, yet people have largely not been mentioning her name nor have the officers involved even been fired let alone charged.
Hey, you know if you've read my previous posts that I'm really backing cops these days, and I support the profession, but I have ZERO problems calling out bad behavior, corruption, misconduct, etc. The badge is a symbol of honor, and in order to maintain that honor there must be high standards maintained across the board. I support the cop in Atlanta because I don't think he violated those standards despite the situation being tragic, while in this Louisville case I'm very disturbed by this issue which we've also witnessed elsewhere when some knuckleheads don't think everything through despite having plenty of time to enact better plans.
Apparently she was found dead in the Hallway while her boyfriend was uninjured. She wasn't killed in her sleep as the media was portraying it.
Here's the local news which states that the Attorney for Taylor claims she was in the Hallway.
https://www.wave3.com/2020/05/13/facts-what-we-know-about-shooting-death-breonna-taylor/
Due to the admission of her boyfriend, proved that this was served as a "knock and announce" warrant, despite reaching the bar for "No knock".
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Here's the warrant if you're interested.
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
I'm not trying to be combative, it's just the mainstream narrative is incorrect on this one.
Even if the cops went to the right house and there were drugs/whatever inside, they and the judge should be convicted. The time and place for arresting the alleged criminal is wholly under their control, yet they decided a nighttime raid would be a great idea.
Make the judge should be the front of the stack.
Another sacrifice to Narco, the God of the War on Drugs.
Seriously, though, no-knocks are almost always predicated on drug raids where you need the element of surprise to prevent destruction of evidence.
You can add no-knock casualties to the long list of reasons the War on Drugs should be eliminated.
Sadly we were lied to about this being served as "No knock" warrant.
Here's the warrant they obtained, even though the evidence provided to meet the bar of "No Knock" was met, it was served as a "Knock and Announce", her boyfriend confirms this.
Warrant: https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Walkers admission that he heard the door was knocked on:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Make no mistake, the neocon war on drugs is why we see so many people hating the police. End the war on drugs, decriminalize pot and focus the DEA on fentanyl which is an actual threat.
Exactly.
Here's the warrant and the evidence they provided to obtain it.
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Despite having reached the bar to serve the warrant as a "no knock" they didn't. Apparently by the admission of her boyfriend, it was served as a "Knock and Announce" warrant.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
So the media lied about this being served as a "no knock" warrant.
Unfortunately we have too many people nowadays that don't understand the importance of the safeguards we had against law enforcement abuse so they'll support this until the police no knock raids their house and kill their kid or something.
This one deserves it.
Wow... my understanding has been completely wrong for a while now.
Start holding the judges that allow these raids accountable and throw them into prison for accidental killings.
See how quickly they go away.
It is intentional that jogger, Floyd and napper are pushed in the media because it is clear to common sense people that they are bad dudes. And the goal is divisiveness, controversy and creating the illusion that common sense is evil. Common sense is the enemy of Leftists.
BINGO
I haven been saying this from the start. All of the cases that should by all rights be worthy causes are ignored while protests are organized for shit tier human beings breaking the law and resisting. Intent? Dividing people. We’d be united for Breonna Taylor or John Crawford, and they don’t want that. You’d have fuckin bikers and constitutional carry types showing up for Crawford because the state he was shot in was an open carry state...but that one is ignored because it would unite both sides in a worthy, common cause.
Right. We might get some actual reform with United protests like that.
I don't think the cop did anything wrong here actually. It's the department policies that are wrong and whomever assigned the warrant.
If your department told you to round up all the Jews and you did it, I guess you wouldn't consider that wrong either.
The cop was rounding up criminals though, not jews. And he just returned fire.
I have no problem with officers who break the law or make mistakes being held accountable.
But I do have a problem with people being fired because the mob demands it.
If this is the finding of their investigation, good on them. But I have a feeling this is a response to the fact that Breonna Taylor's name was mentioned a thousand times in a Congressional hearing this week...
This is the one where there was a no knock raid right? What do they mean fired?? What would it take for this man to be tried for murder? Do they want people to riot for this one too before justice gets done?
Of all the recent cases, this no-knock murder was the only fucked up case. If they go without knocking, it is on their head to take care that innocents are not killed. They cannot equate firing from a job as a reasonable punishment for fatally shooting an innocent person who is sleeping in their own home, for absolutely no fault of theirs !!
Not just the policeman, EVERY person who was involved in issuing the warrant for the no knock raid needs to be tried for murder. There is zero excuse for this kind of bullshit.
Apparently we were sold a lie. Despite meeting the bar to obtain the "No Knock" option, this was executed as a "Knock and Announce" Warrant.
Warrant: https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
And the Boyfriends admission that confirmed this was executed as a "knock and announce" warrant.
Apologies, I couldn't find an archived link.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
A real case of police misconduct, and its a outrage that they haven't been arrested or charged yet. Look into the details of the case its absurd.
Guilty until proven innocent.
The way of every communist regime to ever exist.
You fire people all the time without convicting them of someone.
"We're facing massive budget cuts in the future due to BLM protests and this guy over here has poor judgement. Get rid of him so we can keep the other police officers that aren't retarded."
This is the new trend. They will open up every similar case and retroactively fire/charge the officer. But only if shootee is black and shooter is white or at least non-black. Already happened in Kansas City. Watch.
If done properly, no knock warrants will save lives of police officers and criminals. If violent criminals are given a warning "knock at the door" that the police are there, they have time to grab their weapons or flee. No knock's catch criminals by surprise and they tend to save far more lives and are safer.
Months later. Guess they want a police walk out too
Here's the issued warrant.
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Though, they were given the ability to execute a no knock warrant, this apparently was a executed as a standard "knock and announce"
Sorry for the non-archived link, couldn't find one in the WaybackMachine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
By his own admission, Walker confirms this.
This is the main case they should have protested over. I'm 100% against the cops involved in this one.
They never leave the house? You can't roll up on them and serve the warrant when they're on the street?
ok, fine, but now you have to actually implement some policies so this doesn’t happen again, fucktards.
They banned no-knocks in Breonna's Law
Sadly, it took a media lie and politicians using her tragedy to pass it.
By the admission of Taylors boyfriend, it turns out that this warrant was served as a standard "Knock and Announce" warrant.
Apologies, I couldn't find an archived link.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Here's the warrant used if you're interested.
Warrant: https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Was it a standard "knock and announce" if when he asked who was there they didnt say police? I believe as a trained peace officer you should anticipate the possibility that your perceived as a criminal. All he had to do was throw on a police plate carrier and yell police as they kicked in the door.
Thanks for the info on the warrant!
The standard "knock and announce" is to knock on the door and shout your presence. Its often done numerous times while the other officers check for movement.
Example of Knock and Announce being used before entry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojW79XECeaY
Example of a No Knock warrant being executed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1XQeL19WXc
The outcome of both videos are related to their own case, but the application on entry on both are radically different.
No knock warrants are retarded
No-knock warrants need to end.
If I was at home and some burst into my front door I would shoot them to protect myself and my family.
Period.
Same. I don’t do anything worthy of a warrant and search. The worst fuckin thing I do is speed. Someone kicks my door in, they got the wrong house one way or another. Bullets WILL be coming their way.
If the Leftards actually wanted to solve some problems, they would start with issues that are bipartisan - like this one with no-knock warrants. They would garner a shitton of support with this one.
Instead, they go full retard and deify the most fucktarded lot of the bunch.
A suspected drug dealer Louisville police were looking for on the night they shot and killed EMT Breonna Taylor had made “frequent trips” to her home where he had been receiving packages, according to the search warrant allowing officers to raid Taylor’s home.
In addition, the search warrant said Jamarcus Glover used Taylor’s address as his home address and was observed by police picking up a package from her apartment in January before driving to a “known drug house.”
Don't believe anything until all the facts come out. We have seen enough fake shit and claim against the cops.
MOST of these officer involved shootings would have never occurred had the career felon ‘victim’ been locked away for 20 years during one of his earlier dozen or so convictions.
No knock warrants should be illegal
They are illegal. We just have a corrupt court system (see the Supreme Court decisions this week as a reference).
Of course he was...starting to think the boy doth cry wolf too much.
Yep. Can't really see anything wrong with this one.
No-knock warrant ended in someone's death. Seems like a number of fuck ups in this.
Apparently they did have the correct house as her name is on the warrant.
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Warrant contains the evidence brought to the Judge to obtain said warrant. Though they were given the option to execute a "No Knock", they didn't.
Sorry for the non-archived link, couldn't find one in the WaybackMachine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
By his own admission, confirms that this was a standard "knock and announce" warrant.
Looks like fake news playing on emotions and politicians acting on the opportunity.
I have only read media accounts, but wasn’t this warrant served on an old address? This goes way beyond just the guy pulling the trigger. It goes all the way back to the swearing out of the warrant. A warrant sworn out on an old or incorrect address is exceptionally negligent, shitty police work. Even if the warrant is farmed out to a special team for service, the case officer needs to be there to ensure they are at the correct location and review the initial products of the warrant.
Swearing out a warrant, only to have it served by a third party is the first step in a potential colossal f’up.
Here's the warrant used to execute entry, as well as provided evidence to obtain it.
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant
Apparently by here boyfriends own admission, this was served as a "knock and annouce" warrant.
Couldn't find an archived link,
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
The address was apparently correct, it was linked to another place they raided. They may even have been involved in the drug trade, but the fact is that no drugs were found and someone died because the cops wanted to LARP.
Having your eyes closed doesn't make you any less of a criminal, police surveyed them for MONTHS beforehand, she was in on it. If you don't wanna do the time don't do the crime. Did you watch Brandon Tatum's or literally any other vid on it that talks about from a police perspective it like I recommended? If not you're willfully ignorant at this point and I'm done here. She wasn't innocent like the left is saying and I'm not having my mind changed on that. The facts have been put out there and people are choosing to ignore them. Not my problem.
See no-knock raids are one thing I'm totally against. Breonna Taylor was an actual bad cop no donut incident. The cops should be punished for this one. The rest that BLM have been championing are all thugs.
Turns out it was executed as a "knock and announce" warrant. By the admission of Breonna Taylors boyfriend.
I couldn't find an archived link so my apologies.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/hear-kenneth-walker-lmpd-officer-describe-what-happened-night-breonna-taylor-died/ar-BB14tERh
Walker says he and Taylor were in bed the night of March 13 when they heard someone banging on the door. "It's like doom, doom, doom, doom doom doom!" Walker said.
Here's the warrant if you're interested,
https://www.scribd.com/document/461314079/Taylor-Warrant