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JustInTime2_ 9 points ago +10 / -1

The welfare that is implemented in America was first implement in Britain. These Whites on welfare have same characteristics as Blacks on welfare in America. It is well document. Tom Sowell writes about it at length.

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Frog_Anne 4 points ago +4 / -0

Theodore Dalrymple wrote about this too, "Life at the Bottom." He was a prison psychologist, and he saw the same kind of attitudes in poor white in Britain, they had been taught that because they were poor, nothing was their responsibility, things just happened to them, like they had no agency. I wish I could remember exactly what he said, but I believe he said the elites/psychs/liberals had pushed these ideas about poor people, gave them excuses, and so of course criminals used it as a handy excuse for any bad behavior.

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JustInTime2_ 1 point ago +3 / -2

You have created a red herring. My point was on the effects of welfare on families and cultures. My point had nothing to do with parentage, but with effects on behavior. To compare Tom Sowell to Mr. Coates is reprehensible. Tom Sowell credentials are beyond reproach. Your problem is that you are viewing this from a myopic view and not from the point of historical view. BTW, Tom Sowell was quoting research of a British doctor who document this behavior after welfare was implemented for Whites in Britain. I am going to venture and say, you have never read Tom Sowell’s book on the subject.

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somethinga9230k 2 points ago +3 / -1

I have not looked into this topic extensively, so I wonder whether you might have studied this topic and whether you can answer this question without spending much time on it:

Are family units where children are reared and raised primarily or solely by their parents the norm in Sub-Saharan Africa, rural and/or urban? Or is it the norm that children are reared and raised primarily by a whole village or similar grouping, instead of primarily or solely their parents, and where parentage of children matters less? If you have studied this topic and know of any sources and material reg. it, I would greatly appreciate it.

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JustInTime2_ 2 points ago +2 / -0

I do not know whether or not it is the norm in Sub-Saharan Africa. However, I do know it was not the norm for Blacks in America until after the passage of welfare. According to Herbert Gutman’s research on the Black Family in Slavery & Freedom covering data from 1750-1925, 85% of Black families were double-headed, which means both mother and father were in the family. Gutman’s research is never quoted because it dispels the myth that slavery is responsible for broken black families. Before you ask, yes Gutman’s research looked at the inner city & rural. More surprisingly was that his study covered unskilled, lower class blacks. Now contrast that too this same group of people who populate these areas today. Single out of wedlock black mothers as single head of households mostly populate the inner city.

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ThePragmatist 1 point ago +1 / -0

Systems that provide equality of opportunity respect a natural heirarchy by their nature, because the able will have the advantage.

What else would you have?

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JustInTime2_ 1 point ago +1 / -0

Snake oil. I would say rational. In order for your theory to work, then all other races would have to stop improving or stand still. In what world will that occur. You and others like you who think that this will occur are insane and irrational. Also, why is it that when you take into account the improvement of other minorities, outside of African Americans, the data show that these groups are improving or ahead of whites, especially when looking Asians and Jews? Again, another data point that shows you were your argument falls flat. However, in order for your to acknowledge this point, you will have to answer the question what is causing blacks to not improve? I fear you will not like the answer you receive after being confronted with the problem as opposed to the symptoms. Free your mind.