Employers are starting to use their "values and beliefs" against their employees even when off the clock. This is getting insane. But I will never shut my mouth. I know who BLM really is. I haven't forgotten what they chanted about cops or white people. Their own website shows how anti-American they are. They are a front for the Marxist/Globalist agenda.
Edited to add: Now they are trying to go after my wife. She was just told they are getting a spike of complaints from "customers" (really they are activists) and that she is to act like she is on the clock 24/7. Unreal. No political or insensitive posts.
Employers are starting to use their "values and beliefs" against their employees even when off the clock. This is getting insane. But I will never shut my mouth. I know who BLM really is. I haven't forgotten what they chanted about cops or white people. Their own website shows how anti-American they are. They are a front for the Marxist/Globalist agenda.
Edited to add: Now they are trying to go after my wife. She was just told they are getting a spike of complaints from "customers" (really they are activists) and that she is to act like she is on the clock 24/7. Unreal. No political or insensitive posts.
Sue
This. OP, this is called "Tortious interference", and you can probably sue not just your employer but also the "activists" (terrorists) who are harassing you as well.
Lawyer the fuck up and hit back.
We have to do this folks! I'm addressing my city council and mayor for selectively enforcing city ordinances when it comes to rioters, and putting them on official notice of my intent to file suit if they do not eliminate their "hands off policing" strategy which is just code for arrest law abiding citizens, let rioters do what they want
Lawfare is the most effective method we have right now, short of resorting to violence. If you have the chance, use it.
This should be especially effective because Communism is still illegal in the USA. If his boss wants to support Communism, he better re-think his "values."
How the hell have we not locked these people up? It is obvious the people at the top are communists. It is obvious a number of their footsoliders are as well.
We have been infiltrated via academia and now the rooster is coming home to rest.
I just saw that Jimmy Kimmel is coming under fire for his immitation(blackface for libs) of Carl Malone. And while I'd love to see Kimmel get a taste of his own medicine, I do not want him to apologize or to be removed from.hosting the emmys.
We need to get back to the majority of society and the norm to be either center right or center left.
This extremism on either side is going to put us in a civil war.
I know. It's like John Kerry running around free as a bird threatening revolution when he should've been jailed for treason a year ago. WTF?
One must admit, they should receive their comeuppence... Possibly with blunt metallic teaching tools.
What? I'm talking about laptops for online lessons.
Yeah... Let's go with that one...
It's not a real law if it is not enforced.
I'm gonna guess it would help in a lawsuit tho
Especially when the co-founder has openly said in a recorded interview, "we're trained Marxists." The idea of someone getting fired for opposing that (off the clock, no less... on their personal social media account), is insane. This has to be a slam-dunk lawsuit. He was essentially fired for not being a Marxist.
edit: Karl Marx was an atheist, and most implementations of Marxism have involved state-enforced atheism, so if the OP is religious... he could make this a religious matter (much more juicy for a lawsuit).
Is communism really illegal?
Yeah, it was made illegal in the 1950s, I believe, as an anti-American ideology. Probably why they're afraid to enforce it -- because islam would also fall under that category.
edit: Actually, they probably refuse to enforce it because McCarthy was right -- the government is full of commies. But... it would help in court if his boss fired him and the BOSS is the one really breaking a law.
It looks like communist ideology isn’t punishable by law, but the communist party was outlawed. I read the history of the American communist party and the communist control act on Wikipedia. During the Great Depression, membership peaked at 200,000. After a decade of American prosperity and the communist control act being signed into law, membership dropped to 10,000 with 1,500 of them being active informants for the FBI. The Wikipedia page said they were funded by the Soviets, they were an early disinformation wing of the Soviet Union, and they funneled intelligence to Soviet agents. Literally spies and traitors, so that’s why the organization was outlawed.
I just want to clarify that you are not referring to the very liberal activist group known as Lawfare, are you?
It's a play on the word "warfare" as far as I know, but yes I'm not referring to them.
That's the weakness conservatives have. We're not well organized, funded etc. Why? Because we have fucking jobs / businesses / families and not living off trust funds, Soro's payroll, or living at our parent's house. We have to get organized and leverage our pooled resources as you suggest
Conservatism is more of a defensive strategy than an offensive one. I actually want people to have opinions different than my own, individual choices lead to collective advancement. Leftists or whatever they are now is an “ends justify the means” and “for the greater good” mentality, it is not the natural state of things so to get to their cause they have to attack. They tend to win skirmishes but will never win the war.
So fucking true.
We have no leaders compared to the left. It seems our “conservative” groups sold out long ago and are now making it clear that they are leftist controlled as well.
Are you or have you consulted with a lawyer? What is your cause of action? I'm curious, because all this anarchy and malfeasance seems like it would yield a legal bonanza for the victims.
Yes. So essentially the step I am taking of putting my city on notice is required to "exhaust administrative remedies" before you can file a federal lawsuit on constitutional grounds. So if the city doesn't change it's policy, I have exhausted those remedies and the city can't just "oh we'll change our policy" and have the suit dismissed for no remaining issue / injury because I asked and they refused. None the less like others have stated, we MUST use the courts to our utmost advantage to make these changes.
It sounds like you've done some work. So you're going federal. Fantastic. I agree 100%.
Ballot box Jury box <-- we are here Ammo box
Cartridge box*
But do you have "standing?"
That's difficult but yes, I hope. I requested an opportunity to conduct a "counter protest" and was told I needed a permit, street closures, and insurance. The "BLM protesters" were not required to have any of those things. So essentially it's an equal protection claim. I'm going to try to get others, specifically people who had their cars surrounded and vandalized, as they attempted to drive past "protesters." They have actual injury that gives them even more solid standing than I have.
Glad you thought that part through. Without standing, you likely stand no chance...pun intended.
It depends on the state. My state is an "at will" state, meaning that an employer can terminate you for (almost) any reason, or no reason at all. Conversely, the employee has no obligation to the employer: two weeks of notice is a courtesy, not a requirement.
The exception: a contractual agreement. Then, both parties must abide by the terms of the contract.
In the absence of a contract, about the only reason they cannot fire you: if you refuse to do something prohibited by law.
Unless you can prove that you were fired specifically for religious or political beliefs. If the employer is smart he would say, "Joe, I'm sorry but your employment is no longer needed." and simply left it at that. Now, if the employer said, "Joe, I'm firing you because of your political beliefs." Then Joe has grounds to sue.
Political beliefs aren't protected in most states. In fact, I think California is the ONLY state where firing someone for political beliefs is prohibited:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=LAB§ionNum=1101
If anyone knows of another state with a similar law, please cite the law.
If you are the member of a protected class under federal law (gender, race, ethnicity, etc.), you can certainly sue if you are fired for that. But, employers know this, and will never say that was their reason. The burden is on the employee to prove it, and that's very difficult in the absence of evidence.
Spez: A tongue-in-check look at discrimination law:
A Halloween Guide – What Types of Monsters Are Protected from Discrimination?
What if your political belief is your religion or your sexual orientation? Its time to make Trump our official gender.
SCOTUS just said if you are an anti-blmsexual you can sue them. Also, probably should mention that you are a Mandalorian and guns are your religion
This is the way.
If you have a Google account, you can change your gender to anything you want in account settings. "Trump 2020" is accepted as a gender... ;-)
Something tells me that California will only enforce that political beliefs law if the person who got fired is leftist.
I was going to say this very thing...
Isn't that exactly what Leftists would want you to believe, and just give up?
I suspect they don't see right wing political views as political views.
BLM is a Marxist organization that promotes racial discrimination.
Edit: Even more than race, BLM promotes discrimination based on gender and sexuality.
Exactly.
The co-founder has openly admitted, in a recorded interview, that they are "trained Marxists." If OP is religious, he can sue on religious grounds. Karl Marx was an atheist, and virtually every implementation of Marxism has included state-enforced atheism, so a religious person would have a valid reason for opposing BLM.
I believe you are correct.
Who cares about grounds? We need a crowdfunded funded conservative law firm that sues all the time just to inflict damages via the company's internal legal fees, even if they lose. We need to bring the pain.
Just need Judicial Watch to create a civil division.
Good idea; do you have a place to start?
There is ample legit material to work with. If it reaches this point, it will be a sign that it has outlived it's purpose.
Yep and then even if it's contractual with how UPMC is starting to change their rules of how you conduct yourself and conform to THEIR values even when not working, you can still be fired for "misconduct."
An employer cannot unilaterally change a contract, without the consent of all parties.
So my question is, if the contract was written to say they must follow all rules of conduct, but then the employer updates their rules of conduct, is this allowed or not?
Being off clock and saying something 'distasteful' falls between two legal hills.
Also to further add OP, By UPMC do you mean the hospital? They received $228 million in stimulus money last month. Part of the agreement of receiving that cash was that they do not let go of their employees. If the hospital let you go but did not say why they let you go (ie they didn't reference your conduct or performance), then they might be in violation of federal law (ie the terms of the money they received). From a legal action perspective...that is a can of worms they might be willing to cut their loses to avoid (settle out of court).
I'm not a lawyer so take my thoughts with a grain of salt. I am just so GOD DAMNED tired of these hypocritical people and companies milking this system while simultaneously treating their employees like shit.
You would have to ask an employment lawyer in your state.
However, most employment agreements are not contracts.
It's hard to fire people even in at-will states.
You can't discriminate against protected classes in at-will states.
Now, political affiliation, etc. generally is not a protected class. Which means employers can usually discriminate based on political beliefs, etc.
I feel like this was never something to worry about in the past because we were never THIS divided. Now that we are, I feel like political views should and need to be protected. Mostly because the left are so vile. Never once have I thought about getting someone fired on the left for their Anti-American views...
Are there still discrimination laws? There’s a difference between not giving a reason and giving a reason that is discriminatory.
Yes, there are anti-discrimination employment laws, at the federal level and presumably in every state.
But, employers know the law and are careful to at least appear they are in compliance. But, it's very easy to mask discriminatory intent with "cost reduction" and use that to get rid of disfavored employees.
An employee can sue, but it's very difficult to win. And, it can make you unemployable, because there's a black hole in your resume.
So lousy! I guess unless they have it in writing not much can be done. This is why people aren’t vocal publicly and why the left is continually surprised they lose voters.
Subversion is prohibited by law. ;)
We absolutely need to do this. We need a conservative law firm to collect donations and sue every single company every single time, whether or not the activity is protected, whether or not the suits lose. Make them incur guaranteed legal cost and distraction. I'll donate monthly as a form of insurance.
Sharks, where are you? Come forth, you are needed!
Prob not going to succeed under tortious interference as that is generally to sue party C for interfering with a contract between party A and B. Wrongful termination is prob more appropriate.
Our Soros is Sheldon Adleson and he's a pretty big cuckservative.
There's no point in giving up, because if this does devolve into violence in the end(which it probably will anyway), we will win the fight.
And besides, lawyer is an inherently scumbag profession anyway, so our guys aren't as easily found among them. There aren't unlimited L. Lin Woods out there.
We are up against the Great Enemy. All the world is his to command, save for those who make the choice to defy him. Christ himself told us, "You will be hated by the world, because of me."
This is why I always tell people that their number 1 step for preparing, is to find and gather the like minded. No one likes to feel as though they have to go it alone.
Yeah I’m in Marketing/PR. Our HR department is very explicit in our employee social media guidelines. We can’t tell people what to post or not to post and we can’t punish people for what they post. Especially with politics. Lawsuit time.
That sounds like a great social media guideline. I can see being fired for threatening people even, but this shit that's going on here? Insane to me.
This is wrongful termination because it is discriminatory. I hope you get a massive settlement from your former employer.
Good luck, there's precious little justice in the courts
No one is saying he made a mistake. Basileus is saying that the courts are cucked as fuck and probably "support BLM" too and won't accept his BLASPHEMY!
Yes, sue. Eff the former employer. Rather not work for some globalist cuck social media deep throating organization anyway
what's the goal here, money or to get the job back ?
because i wouldnt want to work for a guy who i sued
Money. I've been getting shit on for years. I was already starting to slowly exit the company, but obviously not quick, fast and in a hurry like this.
Your first mistake was using Fagbook.
Yep... I'll take that criticism. Definitely an idiot thing to do.
I deleted mine about 4 years ago when all this bullshit started. I made a post to all my family and friends stating my intention (and how to get into contact with me), left it up for a day, then deleted the account.
We got along fine without Facebook for thousands of years, and I don't miss it a bit.
I still have an account, but it has practically nothing on it and I never really use it. Just has a few pictures I was tagged in and maybe some left over pictures from like 2009 of random nonsense. I pretty much went through and wiped everything else out. It's worthwhile at least to checkout the marketplace since it tends to be more active and a little less shady than Craig's List.
https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/how-facebook-tracks-you-even-when-youre-not-on-facebook/
Block every Facebook Domain in your host file: https://github.com/jmdugan/blocklists/blob/master/corporations/facebook/all
Thanks for this. Re the block list, how do you implement that? Do you add them to say adblocker or some other way? Is it possible on IOS or only desktop? Edit: ah I see host file is a separate link, I guess I just need to find out how to do on Apple, if it’s possible.
https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/27350/beginner-geek-how-to-edit-your-hosts-file/
(IOS is at the bottom)
Thank you
Holy hot jumpin’ Jésus on a pogo stick! 2100 entries??!
I know a little about a little and that seems like an excessive amount of hosts for a company that rates faces.
What about if I "deactivate" it but don't delete it? Thx
+1
I stay in contact with family and a handful of friends on Facebook. I avoid politics, and have shadow-unfriended people (including family) because they insisted on posting political crap.
My posts are only visible to friends, unless I change the privacy setting on an individual post.
Same burned mine after college. It was all on the wall employers/people would use them against you. No fucking need for that piece of shit anymore. Only anonymous social media for me.
Yep... only use it for updates for the extended family about life events. Don't spend any time browsing on there.
I use fake account s to buy and sell and also sow discord. Gotta be where the people are can't run from everything thats bad.
Can't delete something I never had!
you are trans right? or gay? they cannot fire you.
LOL I thought about going that route.
My fallback was to be I'm a Lesbian trapped in a man's body.
Not trying to sound like internet lawyer here or anything, but I'm almost done with my Master's in I/O psych, which is mainly corporate and HR based. You have a real claim here to clean house and sue them back to the stone age. Take your case to a lawyer and look into wrongful termination. If needed find one that works on a payment after settlement basis. You would be on the forefront on this movement and could crush it in court. Many HR companies and departments lean heavily on the belief that you will do nothing and accept what they deal out to you because it came from HR, it is a power play used a lot in the corporate world that works because people seldom fight it trusting that all HR departments are holding themselves to the same standards.
Get a lawyer
This is what lawyer #1 says:
"Employers, barring very specific exceptions, are generally allowed to conduct business with employees "at-will." That means, and always has, that what you say outside of the office can get you terminated. Going forward, your legal action would most likely be against activists if they defamed you - as defined legally. Unfortunately, it appears they used your own words and thus no likely cause of action, i.e. legal case. This type of activism is the state of affairs in this day and age. Please apply for unemployment immediately and if you are Denied, which is likely, I can provide assistance. Please contact me back if this occurs."
My only issue is that the activists using my own words isn't the issue. It's that they made my employer believe I was racist simply because they went against the BLM movement. Unfortunately, my employer never said anything about me being racist, only that it was "inappropriate." I feel like there will be no justice in this at all.
Damn, I should have inquired as to what state I guess. You would definitely be out a lot of money chasing it. Take your story to OAN or a local fox affiliate. As long as your quote wasn't racist, and just against BLM you could strike up some support and who knows where it goes from there. Just a suggestion though, this fucking culture sucks man.
It’s ok. I used to do the same thing. I quit because family and friends were getting too toxic. Liberalism is a disease.
Don't beat yourself up. It almost happened to me. I was lucky enough to delete it before anyone got screenshots. They are allowed to post whatever violent rhetoric they want, but we can't even peacefully disagree. It's not your fault. That's like saying it was a women's fault for getting raped. What happened to you was an injustice, and should have not happened.
Thanks for the kind words.
Was your profile public? How did they are your posts? Curious because this weekend I finally had enough and started to talk back as well.
So, some comments were public, but they didn't stop there. They found a business page I started that was the beginning of a company for a social media platform. They noted how anti-BLM it was. Saw who the admins were and went one by one trying to doxx them. They matched up my comments with the posts on that page and connected me with those. Found me on LinkedIn and saw everyone I once worked for. I didn't have my employer on there as "presently working" but that didn't matter. They contacted them all. They started posting to their Facebook page all the screen shots they took of my anti-BLM messages and calling it racist.
I know this because I went down the rabbit hole of finding all this shit. I also found they were doing this to a lot of others. They even showed how they had access to employee databases so employers can't even lie and say they don't work there. It also doesn't matter if you have any links to your employer if they have access to the database.
Holy crap. That's really sad that they go that far because they are triggered by an opposing opinion....or they get off on it....or both, Who knows, maybe there is a wordwude organized shadow operation co-ordinating it all. Either way, I hop your new business is a success and that you beat them in court. Sorry this happened to you man.
They aren't just triggered they are purging those that stand in the way of their power. This is an attack on the foundation of this country. These aren't just triggered snowflakes, these people have actual and real power to exclude your from the economy.
Yep, they have made their intentions known.
Hell, before Trump the lunatic left wanted to make everyone that disagrees with them terrorists.
It started in earnest under bush concerning the people who wanted to know what the fuck actually happened on 9/11.
They will keep doing it while he is in office. It will get worse regardless.
The reason this happens is because corporate America is afraid of BLM and groups similar.
They are NOT afraid of conservatives or all-around just regular people. Not afraid at all.
Maybe that needs to change?
As Tim Pool put it.
When you're on the Left and the Left wins, you're fine and nothing happens.
When you're on the Left and the Right wins, you're fine and nothing happens.
When you're on the Right and the Right wins, you're fine and nothing happens.
When you're on the Right and the Left wins, they put you against the wall.
And that's why they always default to choosing the Left over us. No matter who wins, if you chose the Left, you're fine. If you choose the Right though, you'd better watch your back on the way to the car every night if the Right doesn't win. So the easier choice will always be to side with the Left. And it's going to stay that way until the consequences for those that side against us when we win are the same as they already are for those who side against the Left when they win.
And look what happens when we unexpectedly manage to get a President who isn't. Years of nonstop negative coverage, coup attempts, and chaos from the left. Will anyone after Trump be willing to endure this?
That's a great question. I haven't been alive that long, but this has to be one of the most challenging presidencies ever.
The media and politicians are both problems.
Authority is a dangerous superstition. The Milgram experiment comes to mind. https://youtu.be/rdrKCilEhC0
I always have wanted more data about this phenomenon. In particular, I'm curious about correlation with religion. My theory is that a much higher percentage of people than 65% actually obey the authority, it's just that those who appear not to tend to appeal to a higher authority (god). E.g. they stop the shocks because they're taught certain rules from God that they obey.
This would explain why atheism tends to be associated with an increase in government authority. For many people, it is my suspicion that government replaces god, and in particular for the left, that is their religion and authority. Whereas those on the right tend to be more religious, and thus for them there are rules that transcend government authority.
This is exactly the case. Moral relativism is a dark occult belief, fundamentally at odds with the laws of nature. Only difference is that the dark occult knows this, and the unwitting satanist sheep do not.
This truly is a spiritual war.
I have some doubts about that particular experiment. For instance, did they account for other variables that might play into the subject's willingness to follow through with the shock? For instance, did they have the participant sign a waiver or something? Did the participant who was administering the shock have reason to expect that the one being shocked had fully consented to being shocked? There is more at play in such a situation than just "the guyin the lab coat is in charge, therefore I will obey". If you go into such a setting, you're probably expecting that nothing that goes on is really dangerous. It's in the US, it's in a lab setting on a university grounds, all the people are volunteers, etc. There is likely a certain expectation that no matter what you're told to do, everyone involved in still actually going to be safe.
To really test that principle out, you'd need to have something like a full neural VR simulation or something like a Star Trek holodeck, to full remove all those other factors. Make the subject believe that he really is about to kill someone and that all the rules are out the window except whatever the person in charge says. I bet the results would be at least somewhat different.
I love how Tucker called it last week. The latest events and behavior from the left has shown us that voting does not matter, petitioning your representatives doesn't matter and just generally being a good, stand-up citizen doesn't matter. We are dismissed by the media, ALL the politicians and big companies because we're not a threat. The left has shown that if you want to get your way, only violence, rioting and disruption will achieve that. All these people are scared to death of the left mob and they're also scared of the Muslims because these people do not hesitate to act.
I'll still vote, but I honestly believe what Tucker said is absolutely true.
Tucker 2024
I want GEOTUS 2024, but I was thinking about tucker 2024 yesterday, and I'd vote for him, although I don't know how he would do with international affairs. GEOTUS's shoes will be fucking hard to fill that's for sure.
^This
It's how patent trolls were able to make major corporations bow for a time.
Major corporations didn't want to be the one to personally fight, so they paid them to fuck off. But the patent trolls didn't fuck off. They just went away for a little bit. And they kept returning for their dues. It wasn't until some companies started to fight that the trolls largely disappeared.
Fighting bullies is a tragedy-of-the-commons issue. Nobody wants to be the one to do it, but it has to be done. The bullies get to ride on the collective apathy of the masses until the masses get fed up.
That's true once they achieve their final victory: turning the country into a communist dystopia.
But, as for any minor victories before that, they are going to be safe, and I'm sure they hope they will never get to see the ending.
I fully agree with that statement.
Companies that fire conservative employees will end up like communities that defund their police.
^^^This...Fire all the conservatives at my workplace and all the best employees will be gone.
I was constantly told how much better I made the office and that they wished they had an office full of me... so yeah. They will be screwed the more they go down this road.
Yes, but we'd need to organize and hit them (legally!) in the wallet for it to matter.
Just playing devil's advocate here. We could just riot and loot only left wing organizations and businesses - fight fire with fire. Buuuut we have work in the morning so I guess that's out the window.
Ah, we don’t riot and destroy businesses. We riot by getting rid of right people.
sounds of cleaning guns intensifies
Which employer was it - so we can boycott them ?
UPMC Shadyside. It's a hospital/hospital system based in Pittsburgh, PA. Unless you are in that area, there's probably not much you can do to boycott them.
Mr. Rogers would not have been OK with this.
He was a registered, voting Republican - and believed in traditional American values.
Funny that you bring him up because lately, he's been flipped into a supporter of BLM. I've seen plenty of people now try and twist his message.
Mr. Rogers is the only thing that pops into my head when somebody mentions Pittsburgh. ( I know there used to be steel factories ).
I'd like to see a reference to a lefty attempt to hijack Mr. Rogers.
Somebody should make up some stickers saying "Mr. Rogers says : "No Commie BLM in MY neighborhood !"
I need to think of Pizza whenever i hear Pittsburgh, due to a book my 1st or 3rd grade teacher read to us in the early 2000s
did some googling, apparently the book was "Pickles to Pittsburgh" a sequel to "Cloudy with a chance of meatballs"
maan that was a long time ago.
""Pickles to Pittsburgh" ?
Wasn't there a joke where some tongue-tied guy at the ticket counter asks for "two pickets to tittsburgh, please ?"
oof, i have no idea m8... funny tho
The left would say the parties switched and mr. Rogers was a Democrat all along.
I did a google search and noticed that many progressive sites falsely claim that he was a member of neither party.
Shocked that progressives would lie about that. /s
BLECH! I'm familiar with the hospital system. UPMC in the the ultra-commie area of Shadyside. UPMC has very shady hiring practices, too. Someone once interviewed there 3 years ago and had to agree with the interviewer's commie biases to be considered.
SPEZ: Consider yourself free and move move out / stay away from Allegheny County in general.
Thank God someone else here knows of them. They are shitty, which is why I'm not fully annoyed with not working there any longer.
Never underestimate the userbase here.
I'll just say Jeff got a call.
Nice.
As a fellow Pittsburgher, I am not surprised to hear this from UPMC at all. If you do IT and have any interest in a more IT security type position please DM me.
On behalf of another Pittsburgh conservative...ugh. I'm sorry that happened to you. Between Highmark and UPMC, we're screwed.
Yep. I thought Highmark was worse than UPMC, but maybe not when it comes to how they react to online activists.
My wife worked for Highmark last year. They spent over a million dollars updating their system to accept other genders.
Honk Honkler
Hang in there and see if there is anyway you can legally sue. Thats why i dont do social media!
Sue anyway.
If the lawyer says, "You can't win!"
SUE ANYWAY.
Make them hire lawyers.
Then go to the press and tell the world what happened.
Which ones? All the ones with any sort of impact are propagandists.
The important ones, like here.
Beat that drum every day.
We need a list of companies firing people for religious and political reasons.
Sue. In discovery, get the names and records of who sent the messages to your employer, and SUE THE LIVING FUCK OUT OF THAT PERSON/PERSONS !
Yep. I spent a few days straight of tracking everything down. I have some names, but I feel like some of the other names are sock/fake accounts to cover the real names.
Always good to keep records :-)
I document everything as well. You never know when you need that information.
You should probably ask the lawyer also whether a restraining order against those individuals is a good thing, because these type of individuals have become radicalized and who knows what they are capable of.
Management, Social Media Management, Web design, computer/electronic repair, technical writing.
That being said, I'm looking to go all out with my own brand that includes a news and social media platform (a non-censoring one).
I'm thinking the same thing. I feel like fighting an employer this big is probably a lost cause even if I wanted to work there. I do, however, think we all need to fight the online activists who are doing this. There are MANY others like me who have gotten fired for this same type of shit.
If you need someone with too much time on his hands who can do backend web engineering, let me know. I would love to collaborate.
It's a basic social media platform right now with some articles. We have a few writers, but I'd love to push this shit. And no, it isn't all about the money. Especially now. It;s about destroying the left and these activists who have ruined so many lives.
Let me know when you start looking at multiple databases or deploying to a fleet of servers. I can totally help you then.
Not directed at OP, but everyone else; if you're still using Facebook, fucking stop! They are the enemy. Not only is Facebook trying to screw every one of you, it's basically a ready made doxxing platform. Get the fuck off Facebook. "Yeah but it's how I stay in touch with...", well fucking find another way. Text those people. Call them. Stop putting your personal information on blast for the enemy to see and use. Like hell, why is anyone still even on that enemy platform anymore?
Isn't Facebook guilty of foreign collusion to interfere with our elections? Using it is helping the enemy.
I was only using it to push my brand I was trying to build, but my anti-BLM message got twisted into being "racist" of course....
It's tied to your identity. You opened up your flank to attack.
As much as I find the mob justice wrong, I think that trying to build a personal brand online is potential job nuisance.
If your employer is working to create their own brand, and you start pushing your own brand out of your personal identity, the same identity that works for the employer, then that interferes with their brand. And almost every employer is building a brand.
You aren't expected to stop talking, but merely engage as a genuine human, not as a personality. You can draw attention as a concerned citizen, but remember that if you build a brand of yourself that seems unhinged, it makes you untrustworthy at work because your personal "brand" follows you to work.
Consider separating yourself and your brand. I'm not sure how totally to do that. Maybe consider creating an LLC and "representing" the LLC in your political discussions, but don't put that "mask" on while working for your employer. It might allow you more flexibility to disassociate from your contentious brand.
Yeah... I don't really like the "brand" term as sometimes people assume that was me using myself. The "brand" is absolutely already separated. People found admins linked to the brand and one by one they sent out screenshots of anti-BLM messages to everyone's employers of the past. This was a huge job they did. Not something quick and simple.
Ah. That's pretty awful.
Keep an eye out for a lawyer. You should collect as much information as possible in preparation.
Your claim for tortious interference gets better if the claims made against you weren't evidence of your particular actions, but merely your associations. You'll need to know who sent the information to your past employer, and otherwise how it was communicated. And also, how the employer contemplated your termination.
I would imagine that as an IT manager, you help manage IT for online communities on your off time. Lots of people volunteer in their community, especially with the skills that make them employable. I myself am on the receiving end of mob justice, and I'm in the preliminary steps of taking the perpetrators to court. We'll see what happens, but thankfully, I was able to get a lot of good documentation, and in my case, the perps seem to be lying and revealing their identities.
I'm also learning that preparing early is important, documentation (and recording conversations) is critical, communication with parties and authorities is key (treat all communication as if you were in court), and patience can be beneficial when used judiciously.
File for unemployment. Even if you have something lined up. Get your state unemployment office to give you a ruling on this.
My wife had something similar happen with an employer and after that determination her supervisor was fired.
Stay the fuck off of Facebook. Do NOT post anything controversial with your name attached to it.
More and more I want to put my face and name out there and state my understanding. Come at me!
There are some who can do that.
Some of us are too scared or we just can't afford to do that.
If you're too scared or can't afford to do it, be sure to send a few bucks to the people who do.
It's sounds great but when you have a job that you need, it may not be worth it. No reason to get canceled over bs that will disappear in a few months. There are plenty of anon outlets you can post on without issue. (here).
I do hope you are right about it disappearing in a few months, but when you see physicals things like statues being destroyed and blocks of cities being taken over, I start thinking otherwise.
At some point even the liberal's in charge will have to address it. They are trying to let it burn out on it's own now. (not working well)
Not me. The only reason I go on facebook is to troll. I never go to chat or like stupid photos. I do it only to annoy my lib family members and old friends who went commie.
The only thing ya gotta be careful is positing a comment on a public page. I posted a comment on Saturday to a story on fox or some major news page after Berman was fired and the narrative was Trump was trying to hide something. I commented that the SDNY was only in business to protect the Clinton foundation which is right around the corner (no coincidence). I thought it was an innocent wisecrack yet the whackos lost it and started to pile up on me with mentions.
I got one of those auto emails from LinkedIn that “people are looking at your profile” so you know they were investigating me. But I work for myself so screw them. I have plenty of weapons to defend my family. I’m so sick of these asswipes.
Yep/ That's how these crazies roll.
Silver Lining - At least now you no longer are having to work for an ignorant, closed minded, irrational, Non Patriotic Employer! Their loss........... x 10.
I've actually started. Trying to get my brand going now. I was actually already starting on the side. Started a new social media and news platform.
Pennsylvania
SUE them into oblivion.
That's crazy.
Open and shut wrongful termination suit right there.
Definitely sue them. I wonder if moving forward, we can include a disclaimer saying "My views do not reflect those of my employer or place of business." Something to that effect.
A couple of years ago, they said we had to remove any connections with UPMC on any of your social media. I did so. However, they are saying now that that isn't good enough as people can always find out where you work.
I asked them "so you keep moving the goal posts?" And the HR woman said "social media always changes and so do our rules."
Honestly, that place is a shit hole. Many large employers are turning into shit holes. I'm using this time to realize how slave-like things felt working in a large company.
Who still uses FB, esp under their real name?!?!? I hope you deleted your account after this.
Also, this is classical wrongful termination. Sue them.
BLM will murder your former employer within 1 year.
Remember when the internet was too dangerous to use your real name? Companies used to warn you all the time, "Never use your real name". Then they realized they could make money off of you if you do, so now people use their names. Turns out they were right the first time. Never use your real name or email address.
That’s why I Reddit and this site are the only social media I use, because I’m anonymous
Damn, that sucks.
On the bright side, you might be able to collect some unemployment while looking for a non-woke employer.
Sue them, start a fund if you need to. I'll throw $10 at that
Lawyer letter to the employer.
Dox your boss, and their boss.
Already thought about doing this as well as posting shit online that makes it seem like it was them, just so they know how easy it is to do.
I still don't know everything that I supposedly posted online. They wouldn't tell me. All I know is one thing said "white liberals are the worst."
Nah, don't doxx. That will retro-actively justify their action of firing you. Just walk away, and God will sort them out. He probably already has.
If they wouldn't tell you then that means they know they're at fault here.
Yups that fucked you hard.
Here you go:
https://www.yelp.com/biz/upmc-shadyside-pittsburgh-3
Whatever you do, standfast in your beliefs. Unless, of course, you didn't believe what you said to begin with. The HR people/lawyers will use a soft form of manipulation (maybe you could said it better this way, etc) to use against you. These people are your enemy, don't let them trick you to believe otherwise.
Exactly. I actually brought something this up with HR during the firing. This SAME exact hospital allowed their doctors and nurses walk out and protest and do a staged "white coats for black lives" DURING work hours.... but I'm the wrong one???
If you plan to sue, making this post here and by default encouraging those here to 'comment' about your workplace on yelp etc is going to hurt your case.
Be smart if you plan to sue, delete this post or leave it up but it will hurt your case.
Life is not fair.
CA can't fire for political reasons. They also can't be agist - but they don't give a fuck.
CA has some really weird rules about what the consider protected political speech.
I privated my Facebook and stopped using it. Unfortunately there might be public comments I made on posts out there that could come back to haunt me.
If you choose to use social media pedes take all the precautions you can to avoid this situation and protect your livelihood. It’s best just to not use it at all. We are targets.
If you delete your account truly (not deactivate) you can delete your existance. The problem is if someone looks for you and finds nothing they will dig deeper.
Some people might want to set up a dummy account that has your real name and picture, maybe a couple close friends or family that still use it as friends and then just let it rot.
That's what I did. Changed the name on my real account to a fake name, then cleaned it out as best I could. Then made a fake account with my real information, friended everyone I was friends with, then everyone connected to them that I may have met.
No fucks given. Joined some groups like sports fans, a cancer awareness group, a local radio station, and a few businesses, just to look legit.
Then never logged in again.
Can you tell us the name of that business? I'd like to have a word.
UPMC Shadyside.
Because originally, the rules were "remove any connections to UPMC." Now, once this came up, it turned into "you must live by our values even when off the clock."
Yeah.... I'll take the hit this time. I didn't realize the cancel culture was coming this soon. I was starting my way out of the company, I just wasn't ready right this minute. You live and learn, I guess. I just know we need to start fighting back. Not necessarily for our jobs, but for our views.
So true. Like I said elsewhere, this same employer allowed a staged protest of "white coats for black lives" on the clock. It's sickening how hypocritical this shit is getting.
Send a complaint to UPMC Shadyside and give OP their response.
Thanks.
Just curious - what kind of business or industry did you work in?
I worked for UPMC Shadyside which is a hospital. UPMC is a large hospital and insurance system. I worked in IT, myself.
Did they have the huevos to actually tell you specifically what your "inappropriate values" were?
I'm guessing not.
Nope, they told me a couple of comments I made. One was "white liberals are the worst" but said some were "too inappropriate to tell me" but when I dug and found some of the stuff that was sent to their Facebook page, it wasn't anything serious. Basically truth and stats about black on black crime and questioning BLM. I'm not a user of the typical racial terms, so there's nothing like that. Literally questioning the shit going on right now.
Wow that is truly egregious. Surely there's some legal avenue available to you?
I don't know about that. They have really jumped on the "it's racist" train lately. I'm seeing more and more getting fired from these activists. UPMC seemed to lean on the "you MAY have made these inappropriate posts during work hours, but even if not, you have to follow our values 24/7."
I really don't think I'd get my job back. To be honest, is it even a good idea if this is where they are heading?
This is what BLM and other DNC orgs do with money diverted to them: pay activists to harass people.
Did u list where You work on social media?
They had to dig and find that I once worked there but I had no connections to working there presently. They started posting on different Facebook pages for any company I once worked for and guessed right with UPMC. I noticed UPMC's page was being blasted by the same few people trying to get a bunch of different people fired. I also noticed they had somehow found employer databases and could look certain people up. I feel like one of the activists actually worked at UPMC.
I would think you have a case if you're don't rep the company on your social media.
Yeah... that's what I thought but they say if they can find out where you work, that's all that matters.
You can often find loads of personal information by simply having a first and last name. That's why I use aliases for EVERYTHING. For me personally, you can find my employer, home address, phone number and so on just by having my first and last name.
Yep, and these people seem to have access to employee databases somehow. I'm starting to think they work for these companies.
Just keep in mind that they will spin it as "inappropriate comments." Here's some examples of what I found online that they wouldn't tell me directly:
I just want it known that while I don't think I should be fired for these things, they will absolutely try and say these things go against their beliefs. And because I don't know EVERYTHING that was sent to them, I'm sure there are things taken out of context. But I was with this company for 8 1/2 years.... I have never been inappropriate at work except for a time 5 years ago when I found out another employee was going behind my back and trying to make me lose my job. I called him a pussy in anger when I found out.... and yeah. He went to HR. LOL
LOL good catch.
Reminds me of something Hobby Lobby went through during ObamaCare. Apparently some companies can have their “values and beliefs”protected but others cannot 🤡🌎
This is why I left my company in “woke” DC, moved 1,000 miles away to central Florida in the coast and took a job in a position where I’m the boss of the whole region and upper management for the US is all massively pro-Trump. I also own another business and have had people call and ask to speak to the manager to report my social media posts. I always thank them profusely for bringing blatant racism in the company to my attention and ask for an address where I can send them a special “thank you” for doing their part... hasn’t worked yet. :-(
And what really angers me about this is that we can't fight back: these worthless pieces of garbage first need to HAVE a job in order for us to convince their employer to fire them. :-(
It's suppose to fall under "creed".
I am praying for you now, Friend, Protect yourself - and document everything. Prepare to a Federal Civil Rights complaint.
So the company we're boycotting for this bullshit is..............?
Here's how to freak them the fuck out.
Call them up (found them - it's easy) ask to speak to their HR dept. Ask them for confirmation on the terminations for wrongthink as well as offsite round the clock harassment of spouses - for an article you're writing.
Trust me - it works. These virtue spiral fucks don't like bad PR and they're making a metric ton of it. Show them they're being watched and talked about.
There needs to be lawsuits and legislation to stop people from being persecuted for political beliefs. It's getting out of hand. This is wrong.
Lawyer up homie. Wrongful termination
Sorry to hear this, but the writing is on the wall and has been for quite a while. Don't confuse being silent on social media with betraying your values. Sometimes a fire needs to burn itself out, and you have to do your best to avoid being consumed
Fuck, the left are getting more and more authoritarian. Like the Stazi on steroids. They really want to create 1984 don't they?
Everyday I hate the left even more than I did yesterday. These people are vile and evil. Lawyer up, you might have a case.