Same reason why they never showed footage from Rodney King before his beat down. It'll come out in Court and the cop will walk or get a lesser charge, and people will riot again just like Ellison wants.
I think most reasonable people see that video and get angered because 99% of the time that is absolutely not justified. If the world started and then 8 minutes and 46 seconds later Floyd died then 99.9% of the time of course the cops are guilty. Sure, there is a .1% chance that it was an accident, but that's about it if there was no other context.
But that's not the case here. We 100% do not know the full story that will come out in the court trials and to think otherwise is fucking ridiculous.
What if Floyd was whacked out on drugs and whispered in Chauvin's ear that if he didn't kill him then his family would be murdered before he got home by someone who already invaded his house? Sure, the chances of this is like 1/999999999999999999999999999999999999999 but it's absolutely possible... and that's my point. There are so many possibilities that we don't know, and we should always strive for truth rather than emotional attacks at the innocent--or potentially innocent.
No, our courts obviously don't get everything right... but we've got the best system around and we shouldn't tear it down. We should make sure it stays the best and gets better.
FWIW I think that Bret Weinstein on Joe Rogan was right. TPBP want these cases to fail. They want riots. They want people to think that Trump is letting these cops off the hook for killing black people even if it's proven in court that there was no wrongdoing.
Here's the thing: we know Floyd WAS whacked out on drugs, because that's what the cops got called for. They weren't called over the fake twenty, they were called because Floyd was drugged out of his mind.
If he was being violent and acting irrationally due to drugs, then it entirely explains why the officer's thought they needed to use that much force to restrain him.
If they were justified in the level of force, the only issue we have is a poorly trained officer applied the force improperly.
We don't throw doctors in jail when they mess up and a patient dies. Why should we do the same for cops?
We should investigate the Minnesota PD to find out why they are hiring such incompetent officers and not training them.
The only case where the cops should be charged is if we find out they had any malicious intent to harm the victim.
Man, I looked but couldn't find the link. Minneapolis newspaper looked into it. Chauvin actually followed protocol. And you're correct, physically impossible to suffocate someone like that. First autopsy showed that. It's all a big LARP.
This isn't the same one I read but a quick glance, it looks like the same information. Possibly snipped from the Minneapolis newspaper. It's all bullshit. And they're gonna sacrifice Chauvin.
I remember seeing people say "look into Chauvin's lifeless eyes, he is pure evil". Nah, he's just doing routine police work. He should've possibly been more aware that Floyd was overdosing and dying, but from what I've seen he is supposed to subdue him with two knees and wait for EMS.
Cause of d eath: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression
And Chauvin kept the knee on Floyd's neck, including after Floyd stopped talking and moving. He could have shifted the knee from his neck onto his back, or rolled Floyd around and give CPR (this might have been unsafe if Floyd was playing possum, but with 4 or more police officers...), or try to see if he could get Floyd to talk or check whether he was conscious, etc., but Chauvin instead just kept having one knee on his neck, not even shifting that knee onto the back or similar. The bystanders didn't help matters, however, since they kept yelling and acting threateningly, which made it more important for the police officers to maintain the pin (George Floyd was not a small man and had a record for violence apart from resisting arrest), but there were still 4 or more police officers. As far as I can tell, Chauvin should be investigated for intentional murder.
Apart from lots of other stuff in Floyd's blood, such as methamphetamine.
While I am by no means a doctor, as far as I can skim on the net, 11 ng/mL is definitely a lethal dose, as others seem to have died from such a dose, see for instance https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/pdfs/mm6604a4.pdf .
And I recall reading something about Floyd saying "I can't breath"while standing up before he was pinned or restrained. That fits very well with overdoses of various stuff.
It may well have been the case that Floyd was doomed to die from an overdose of various drugs that day without meeting any police officers. But Chauvin's knee on his neck cannot have helped at all, and Chauvin could have done things very, very differently. And then there are the rumours that Chauvin knew Floyd before-hand. It seems really, really strange.
Aside from that George Floyd should not be evangelized at all, given his robberies, home invasions, pointing a gun at a pregnant women, his long criminal record, resisting arrest, possible drug dealing with hard drugs, etc., etc., etc. Donald Trump has already taken action reg. the fentanyl imports that China is using against the USA to spread addiction and death, and from what I hear, Floyd was unemployed due to the Chinese virus.
And the looters obviously ought to spend much or most of their lives in prison.
Definitely not murder because he didn't mean to kill him. The proof of that is that he followed the procedure that he's been taught.
Knee on the back of the neck should not make breathing more difficult. Ironically what you suggested, putting the knee on the back, does prevent breathing.
Laying on the stomach is also the best position for breathing, in fact that's how hospitals put the Chinese virus patients who can't breathe. Most people don't know, but the lungs are more in the back than in the front.
Still, we know, absolutely, that it's not normal for police officers to kneel on the back of people's necks, because if that was normal then just about all of them would have broken peoples’ necks.
The proof of that is that he followed the procedure that he's been taught.
Do you have any sources of him "following protocol" or "followed the procedure that he's been taught"?
You go from the "knee cannot have helped at all" (true) and your conclusion here is he likely committed "intentional murder." See the problem here? You seem to have the logical mindset of a personal injury attorney.
As far as I can tell, Chauvin should be investigated for intentional murder.
You write:
[...] your conclusion here is he likely committed "intentional murder."
I think that it at the very least should be investigated for intentional murder, for it seems extremely off in multiple regards (seriously? Kneeling on the neck? Not providing aid or checking? Etc. etc. etc. etc.).
And you also leave out other parts of my argumentation. What about this part of my comment?:
[...], and Chauvin could have done things very, very differently. And then there are the rumours that Chauvin knew Floyd before-hand. It seems really, really strange.
Why did Chauvin not change his pin from having a knee on the neck to having a knee on the back, or otherwise change the pin, after Floyd stopped moving? Why not see if Floyd is conscious or breathing? Or check if he might need CPR? Floyd repeatedly complained about not being able to breath. Does the police officer not have an obligation to provide life-saving measures if a suspect is dying while being pinned, especially given that the suspect nor others can help in such a case? The bystanders did not help matters at all, but there was still 4+ police officers.
And then there is the possible part about Floyd and Chauvin knowing each other, which I also mention.
11 ng/ml is high but not actually insane for super druggies. If you are around 20 ng/ml you are probably dead 90+% of the time, but at 11 you may or may not die if you are a habitual user. Some people die around 11, if they are taking it on prescription for the first time.
Interesting, I did not know that, though it does make sense, especially:
[...] but at 11 you would probably survive if you are a habitual user.
I recall having seen something about the level of fentanyl being lethal varying from user to user, and the size of George Floyd as well as possible habitual usage points in the direction of him being able to survive a higher level of fentanyl.
On the other hand, he did also have other drugs in his system, and I recalls something about a heart disease. But still, in case he was a habitual user and/or other, it might possibly mean that his dosage was not necessarily lethal, though of course still very significant.
You don’t need to cut the airways. If you restrict the flow of blood through the carotids, you can breath all you want, and your brain won’t be getting oxygen.
There’s no way he could have blocked his carotid arteries in that position. They are closer to the front of your neck than the side, which had a thick layer of muscle.
If it could, it would be used in wrestling or jujitsu, or something similar. What I find funny is that zero of the YouTube martial artists are analyzing this hold. What you can find, are knee-on-neck holds on the front of the neck. But not the back.
Why won't they show what happened before he was taken out of the cop car?
The violent piece of shit overdosed, let's be real.
Same reason why they never showed footage from Rodney King before his beat down. It'll come out in Court and the cop will walk or get a lesser charge, and people will riot again just like Ellison wants.
I think most reasonable people see that video and get angered because 99% of the time that is absolutely not justified. If the world started and then 8 minutes and 46 seconds later Floyd died then 99.9% of the time of course the cops are guilty. Sure, there is a .1% chance that it was an accident, but that's about it if there was no other context.
But that's not the case here. We 100% do not know the full story that will come out in the court trials and to think otherwise is fucking ridiculous.
What if Floyd was whacked out on drugs and whispered in Chauvin's ear that if he didn't kill him then his family would be murdered before he got home by someone who already invaded his house? Sure, the chances of this is like 1/999999999999999999999999999999999999999 but it's absolutely possible... and that's my point. There are so many possibilities that we don't know, and we should always strive for truth rather than emotional attacks at the innocent--or potentially innocent.
No, our courts obviously don't get everything right... but we've got the best system around and we shouldn't tear it down. We should make sure it stays the best and gets better.
FWIW I think that Bret Weinstein on Joe Rogan was right. TPBP want these cases to fail. They want riots. They want people to think that Trump is letting these cops off the hook for killing black people even if it's proven in court that there was no wrongdoing.
Here's the thing: we know Floyd WAS whacked out on drugs, because that's what the cops got called for. They weren't called over the fake twenty, they were called because Floyd was drugged out of his mind.
If he was being violent and acting irrationally due to drugs, then it entirely explains why the officer's thought they needed to use that much force to restrain him.
If they were justified in the level of force, the only issue we have is a poorly trained officer applied the force improperly.
We don't throw doctors in jail when they mess up and a patient dies. Why should we do the same for cops?
We should investigate the Minnesota PD to find out why they are hiring such incompetent officers and not training them.
The only case where the cops should be charged is if we find out they had any malicious intent to harm the victim.
I absolutely agree with everything you said. I’d like to see the full video like Rayshard Brooks.
That if Covid 19
Its Floyd19
Oooops better cancel all of crossfit inc
Oh man that scab just formed.
Let's be real: you can't suffocate from a knee holding you down from the back of your neck. It doesn't cut the airways.
Man, I looked but couldn't find the link. Minneapolis newspaper looked into it. Chauvin actually followed protocol. And you're correct, physically impossible to suffocate someone like that. First autopsy showed that. It's all a big LARP.
I think that kind of hold is used by policemen all over the world, specifically because it is safe.
https://www.amren.com/news/2020/06/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge/
This isn't the same one I read but a quick glance, it looks like the same information. Possibly snipped from the Minneapolis newspaper. It's all bullshit. And they're gonna sacrifice Chauvin.
I remember seeing people say "look into Chauvin's lifeless eyes, he is pure evil". Nah, he's just doing routine police work. He should've possibly been more aware that Floyd was overdosing and dying, but from what I've seen he is supposed to subdue him with two knees and wait for EMS.
“All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.”
― Blaise Pascal, Pensées
Funny how the second "independent " autopsy changed.
... a knee on the neck for an extended period of time cannot be helpful, at all. A press release report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner clearly states ( https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf ):
And Chauvin kept the knee on Floyd's neck, including after Floyd stopped talking and moving. He could have shifted the knee from his neck onto his back, or rolled Floyd around and give CPR (this might have been unsafe if Floyd was playing possum, but with 4 or more police officers...), or try to see if he could get Floyd to talk or check whether he was conscious, etc., but Chauvin instead just kept having one knee on his neck, not even shifting that knee onto the back or similar. The bystanders didn't help matters, however, since they kept yelling and acting threateningly, which made it more important for the police officers to maintain the pin (George Floyd was not a small man and had a record for violence apart from resisting arrest), but there were still 4 or more police officers. As far as I can tell, Chauvin should be investigated for intentional murder.
That said, the toxicology report reg. George Floyd does show that he had an extreme amount of fentanyl in his blood, an amount that had been lethal in other people (page 15 in https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf ):
Apart from lots of other stuff in Floyd's blood, such as methamphetamine.
While I am by no means a doctor, as far as I can skim on the net, 11 ng/mL is definitely a lethal dose, as others seem to have died from such a dose, see for instance https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/pdfs/mm6604a4.pdf .
And I recall reading something about Floyd saying "I can't breath" while standing up before he was pinned or restrained. That fits very well with overdoses of various stuff.
It may well have been the case that Floyd was doomed to die from an overdose of various drugs that day without meeting any police officers. But Chauvin's knee on his neck cannot have helped at all, and Chauvin could have done things very, very differently. And then there are the rumours that Chauvin knew Floyd before-hand. It seems really, really strange.
Aside from that George Floyd should not be evangelized at all, given his robberies, home invasions, pointing a gun at a pregnant women, his long criminal record, resisting arrest, possible drug dealing with hard drugs, etc., etc., etc. Donald Trump has already taken action reg. the fentanyl imports that China is using against the USA to spread addiction and death, and from what I hear, Floyd was unemployed due to the Chinese virus.
And the looters obviously ought to spend much or most of their lives in prison.
Definitely not murder because he didn't mean to kill him. The proof of that is that he followed the procedure that he's been taught.
Knee on the back of the neck should not make breathing more difficult. Ironically what you suggested, putting the knee on the back, does prevent breathing. Laying on the stomach is also the best position for breathing, in fact that's how hospitals put the Chinese virus patients who can't breathe. Most people don't know, but the lungs are more in the back than in the front.
Then why does the report (as per https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf ) describe the cause of death as follows? (emphasis mine):
They directly name neck compression as a complication reg. the cause of death.
See also the answer by "Paul Harding" in https://www.quora.com/Why-do-police-put-their-knee-on-the-back-of-your-neck-when-cuffing-you . While that is not a proper source, he does write the following:
Do you have any sources of him "following protocol" or "followed the procedure that he's been taught"?
You go from the "knee cannot have helped at all" (true) and your conclusion here is he likely committed "intentional murder." See the problem here? You seem to have the logical mindset of a personal injury attorney.
You misquote me. I wrote:
You write:
I think that it at the very least should be investigated for intentional murder, for it seems extremely off in multiple regards (seriously? Kneeling on the neck? Not providing aid or checking? Etc. etc. etc. etc.).
And you also leave out other parts of my argumentation. What about this part of my comment?:
Why did Chauvin not change his pin from having a knee on the neck to having a knee on the back, or otherwise change the pin, after Floyd stopped moving? Why not see if Floyd is conscious or breathing? Or check if he might need CPR? Floyd repeatedly complained about not being able to breath. Does the police officer not have an obligation to provide life-saving measures if a suspect is dying while being pinned, especially given that the suspect nor others can help in such a case? The bystanders did not help matters at all, but there was still 4+ police officers.
And then there is the possible part about Floyd and Chauvin knowing each other, which I also mention.
11 ng/ml is high but not actually insane for super druggies. If you are around 20 ng/ml you are probably dead 90+% of the time, but at 11 you may or may not die if you are a habitual user. Some people die around 11, if they are taking it on prescription for the first time.
Interesting, I did not know that, though it does make sense, especially:
I recall having seen something about the level of fentanyl being lethal varying from user to user, and the size of George Floyd as well as possible habitual usage points in the direction of him being able to survive a higher level of fentanyl.
On the other hand, he did also have other drugs in his system, and I recalls something about a heart disease. But still, in case he was a habitual user and/or other, it might possibly mean that his dosage was not necessarily lethal, though of course still very significant.
You don’t need to cut the airways. If you restrict the flow of blood through the carotids, you can breath all you want, and your brain won’t be getting oxygen.
Yes, but the carotids are on the side of the neck, not on the back. The cop didn't press against the carotids.
There’s no way he could have blocked his carotid arteries in that position. They are closer to the front of your neck than the side, which had a thick layer of muscle.
If it could, it would be used in wrestling or jujitsu, or something similar. What I find funny is that zero of the YouTube martial artists are analyzing this hold. What you can find, are knee-on-neck holds on the front of the neck. But not the back.
Exactly! He said he couldn’t breathe even before he was on the ground!!!!!
This guy implies it's a hoax.
https://twitter.com/Seekthetruth101/status/1266637895491870720
Wtf??????
i tend to agree, yeah.