That report is just describing the circumstances. It's not the result of an autopsy.
It also mentions "restraint" and that normally doesn't kill people.
Following protocol: the source was just posted by another pede in response to my comment above.
Credit it's his, I'll just relink it here for your convenience
Still, we know, absolutely, that it's not normal for police officers to kneel on the back of people's necks, because if that was normal then just about all of them would have broken peoples’ necks.
That report is just describing the circumstances. It's not the result of an autopsy. It also mentions "restraint" and that normally doesn't kill people.
"Just describing the circumstances". Why would they specifically mention "neck compression" as a *"complication reg. the cause of death"?
And in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6F62EdX_yg , George Floyd specifically mentions "Please, the knee in my neck, I can't breathe shit.", around 0:20 . Shouldn't protocol demand of Chauvin that he should take special care and consideration and ensure that the suspect resisting arrest can breath and is not dying?
Thank you for the source, though I have to skim through it to find the sources it uses, it is not itself a proper source. It seems to be this file here: https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/Documents/PoliceCommission/minneapolis%20ced%20policy.pdf (I assume that source is trustworthy, though I wouldn't know, it is also from something like "sanfranciscopolice.org"... why would the police of San Francisco have that file? And why would they use the top-level domain '.org'???). And from that file, I am not at all convinced that Chauvin did indeed follow protocol. Page 7 seems to be the relevant part. What is your argument that Chauvin is indeed following the protocol as described on page 7 and elsewhere? Especially reg. Chauvin continuing to use the neck restraint even after George Floyd stopped moving and talking? And without even checking up on whether he was conscious or breathing? Not changing the restraint? Or any other of a large number of actions? Again, there were 4 or more officers. And when George Floyd says things like:
"Please, the knee in my neck, I can't breathe shit."
Isn't that an absolutely obvious cue that special care is needed, especially when Floyd stops moving and talking? Does the protocol require police officers to monitor and check subjects that are restrained whether they are breathing, conscious or possibly dying? Or any other related actions, especially when they have stopped moving and talking while under neck restraint?
I think all your points are answered by the article I linked.
Let me tell you from personal experience: if you can't breathe, you can't talk. Surely not as loud as Floyd does in the video.
Obviously the cop doesn't let him go because they judged that they need to keep him restraint for their own safety.
I'm not avoiding, I think I replied to almost everything. I didn't downvote you either.
That quote from quora has been addressed by my article, that presents a study on how much weight there is if someone kneels on you. Not enough weight to cut the blood flow.
Besides, Floyd didn't have a broken neck.
I reread your post and I think I addressed all the points in my last 2 posts.
Please feel free to reformulate the questions if something is not clear.
Yeah, I have trouble telling from the video as well. I cannot exclude that the pressure was never high, and I cannot exclude that the pressure was high at times or a lot of the time. I don't recall whether I saw Chauvin seemingly shift back and forth. The height difference between Floyd's back and his neck might have made it possibly more severe, possibly less severe. It might have made it more difficult for Chauvin to balance, and thus end up applying more pressure at times. Chauvin also had his hands in his pockets as I recall, at least a lot of the time, which I would guess would make balancing more difficult.
It still seems incredibly strange to me that he didn't move the pin from Floyd's neck to his back after Floyd stopped moving or talking. Why not check whether he is conscious? Whether he is breathing? A large number of other things? Especially given Floyd's previous repeated talking of "I can't breath" and them talking about him possibly being sick or drugged up or similar. And... the neck is an obvious fragile and vulnerable part...
That report is just describing the circumstances. It's not the result of an autopsy. It also mentions "restraint" and that normally doesn't kill people.
Following protocol: the source was just posted by another pede in response to my comment above.
Credit it's his, I'll just relink it here for your convenience
https://www.amren.com/news/2020/06/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge/
You don't comment on the part I wrote reg. "Paul Harding" in https://www.quora.com/Why-do-police-put-their-knee-on-the-back-of-your-neck-when-cuffing-you , again:
"Just describing the circumstances". Why would they specifically mention "neck compression" as a *"complication reg. the cause of death"?
And in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6F62EdX_yg , George Floyd specifically mentions "Please, the knee in my neck, I can't breathe shit.", around 0:20 . Shouldn't protocol demand of Chauvin that he should take special care and consideration and ensure that the suspect resisting arrest can breath and is not dying?
Thank you for the source, though I have to skim through it to find the sources it uses, it is not itself a proper source. It seems to be this file here: https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/Documents/PoliceCommission/minneapolis%20ced%20policy.pdf (I assume that source is trustworthy, though I wouldn't know, it is also from something like "sanfranciscopolice.org"... why would the police of San Francisco have that file? And why would they use the top-level domain '.org'???). And from that file, I am not at all convinced that Chauvin did indeed follow protocol. Page 7 seems to be the relevant part. What is your argument that Chauvin is indeed following the protocol as described on page 7 and elsewhere? Especially reg. Chauvin continuing to use the neck restraint even after George Floyd stopped moving and talking? And without even checking up on whether he was conscious or breathing? Not changing the restraint? Or any other of a large number of actions? Again, there were 4 or more officers. And when George Floyd says things like:
Isn't that an absolutely obvious cue that special care is needed, especially when Floyd stops moving and talking? Does the protocol require police officers to monitor and check subjects that are restrained whether they are breathing, conscious or possibly dying? Or any other related actions, especially when they have stopped moving and talking while under neck restraint?
I think all your points are answered by the article I linked.
Let me tell you from personal experience: if you can't breathe, you can't talk. Surely not as loud as Floyd does in the video. Obviously the cop doesn't let him go because they judged that they need to keep him restraint for their own safety.
......... then it ought to be very easy for you to reference or copy-paste them. And that site is not even an authority.
Please, again, answer my arguments and questions in https://thedonald.win/p/FzTveRM4/x/c/12jJilPyHy . They are relevant and it is as if you are evading or avoiding them.
(as an aside, I did not downvote you).
I'm not avoiding, I think I replied to almost everything. I didn't downvote you either.
That quote from quora has been addressed by my article, that presents a study on how much weight there is if someone kneels on you. Not enough weight to cut the blood flow. Besides, Floyd didn't have a broken neck.
I reread your post and I think I addressed all the points in my last 2 posts. Please feel free to reformulate the questions if something is not clear.
there are different amounts of pressure. It didnt seem like Chauvin had all that much pressure on floyd, but I cant really tell.
Yeah, I have trouble telling from the video as well. I cannot exclude that the pressure was never high, and I cannot exclude that the pressure was high at times or a lot of the time. I don't recall whether I saw Chauvin seemingly shift back and forth. The height difference between Floyd's back and his neck might have made it possibly more severe, possibly less severe. It might have made it more difficult for Chauvin to balance, and thus end up applying more pressure at times. Chauvin also had his hands in his pockets as I recall, at least a lot of the time, which I would guess would make balancing more difficult.
It still seems incredibly strange to me that he didn't move the pin from Floyd's neck to his back after Floyd stopped moving or talking. Why not check whether he is conscious? Whether he is breathing? A large number of other things? Especially given Floyd's previous repeated talking of "I can't breath" and them talking about him possibly being sick or drugged up or similar. And... the neck is an obvious fragile and vulnerable part...