The Chinese virus is going to crush many universities that will lose up to a year/year and a half of their revenue because of closures. Many will shutter forever.
It is already next to impossible to unquestioningly trust information put out by most government agencies. Now even the work of those on the frontiers of science is being hampered.
How can progress be made in this type of environment?
I think that is the wrong kind of hope. The negative fallout from the decisions these people are making will impact all of us and also future generations.
Instead, I hope that the ship can be steered away from the rocks before disaster strikes. If not, we all lose.
I agree, but I don't think the ship is going to be steered back into "sane waters". I think they're going to park it on the rocks, light it on fire and live on an intellectually deserted island.
I'm cynical, but these people are marching to their doom and will not even accept a thought or word that doesn't agree. Look around you, people are being silenced and fired merely for raising a hand and saying "Umm, I have another thought on this matter..."
Things are definitely trending heavily in that direction, and it seems that there is very little reason to hope that it will change.
However, trends always continue in the same direction until they stop, and they sometimes stop suddenly (just look at the stock market over the past 5 months).
That is what needs to happen and what I am hoping for: some unforeseen, massive event that alters the current trajectory. Hopefully one that is not too painful.
This is all planned and pushed by the elites. They want to break America and Americans. We are not easily controlled. That's no good for what the have planned.
just glad to see he is coherent and still working! I was worried about him
Indeed. I have been hearing the haters (who also pan themselves off as the compassionate ones") calling him a drugee.
"Even the strong fatigue". He doesn't owe anyone to discuss what he has gone through, but from what I have read it was a living hell. The pressure of the hate is one thing, but when loved ones have a severe health crisis, that induces your own health crisis (based in pain), and then you end up relying on the meds more than you can imagine.
Seems like he has emerged with as sharp a wit as before he bore this burden.
Has anyone looked into the circumstances of his illness? For gods sake, a renowned psychologist, extremely popular and EFFECTIVE getting addicted to medication and getting so bad that they had to ship him off to Russia??! Is he still in a coma?? For fuck’s sake.
It’ll be difficult to convince me this is just a conspiracy theory.
"It is now standard practice for university hiring boards to insist that their faculty job applicants submit a DIE plan with their curriculum vitae — a terribly dangerous occurrence of its own.
I believe that the fundamental reason such plans are required, particularly of those who practice in the so-called “hard” STEM fields (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) is so that those who could not hope to assess the quality of research endeavours in those specialties as a consequence of their own inability or ignorance, can be made into judges by enforcing the adoption of standards of attitude and behaviour that have nothing to do with the fields in question."
It amazes me that a meritocracy is not allowed to exist anywhere but professional sports athletes (not to be confused with professional sports management or coaching staff). The one place that is absolutely meaningless for the advancement of society.
French Revolution started for reason over church, merit over aristocracy, and other things.
Your sport analogy was explained by Dr. Peterson - we love to watch individuals achieve outstanding results when everyone is held to the same set of rules.
His mailing list said yesterday "Dr. Peterson is returning to health and writing publicly."
(this is that writing)
And back in February
Jordan Peterson has left Russia where he sought emergency drug detox treatment and is back in Florida, his daughter Mikhaila revealed in a podcast published on the professor’s website and shared on Twitter.
He seems to be doing much better. Poor guy had a reaction to an anxiety (I think) medication where he was simultaneously allergic and physically addicted to it. There’s a name for the condition, but if he stopped taking it, he’d have dangerous withdrawal symptoms and if he took it, he’d have a dangerous allergic reaction. His wife was battling a very tough cancer at the time as well, which is why he was on the drug in the first place. He had to go to Russia for treatment in the end. Probably never hear the end of that. Good to have him back. We need him now more than ever.
Western Academia is compromised and should be regarded with suspicion, even in the hard sciences.
In the US (Dr. Peterson is Canadian of course), they have been importing large swarms of foreigners as grad students, typically from China or India. I have seen with my own two eyes research jobs that, at an AMERICAN federal land-grant university, ask for "Mandarin speakers only" (and no, it wasn't a linguistics project either).
I know of one prominent state university that deprecated English 101/102 as core curriculum, and replaced it with an easier, renamed course that was essentially a basic Comms course. This was done, per an inside source, because of the large numbers of foreign undergrads who can't pass English 101/102.
The heart of STEM is logic, ingenuity, rationality and results. I suspect we aren't far away from scientific research with dangerously wrong results being approved for publication because the author of the paper is non-white.
"This drug was invented by a PoC and killed 37% of patients; time to spin it as the white man's fault!"
So good to hear from him. He's been through hell for nearly 2 years now. But damn, sjw anti-West communism has ruined STEM in Canada now. This really is the beginning of the end, unless HUGE gains are made in a short time. We need the fear of God back in our lives.
"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
As a physicist (teacher not researcher), this makes me furious. It's why I don't belong to these national academic organizations anymore. They've all become political and they don't reflect my values.
If scientists found a real cure for the mental disease known as transgenderism, they would be murdered, anyone that knew about it would be murdered, and the research would be destroyed. Even considering researching such a thing would likely get them killed or at least result in their reputations being destroyed.
Can confirm. Hard sciences have been overtaken by leftists. Engineering is still a bit better than chemistry/biology/physics, but it is moving that way as well. There is definitely a strong correlation between the % of women in a major and how cucked it is.
guess educators shouldnt have spent the last 60 years capitulating to the mob. Theres a reason the greek god of knowledge and education carried scrolls and a sword.Its the educators job to not only teach, but defend knowledge.
When the christians came to burn the library of alexandria....the scientists, philosophers, and teachers fled.
In my opinion, no. Its still spreading. A few blue states still have somewhat "normal" universities at more local levels. But in 6-8 years those will have fallen. I'm encouraging my youngest to pursue vocational skills. Electrician, Welder, Builder etc.
Hate to burst your bubble but there’s less than a 0% chance. I was in undergrad in 2015 and it was pretty bad. Now, in graduate school 5 years later, it’s even worse than it was in 2015. So many noticeable differences. From the professors to the masses of sheep students walking around. Everyone is fragile and thinks the world revolves around them. I don’t want to know what it’ll be in 6-8 years.
What you describe is what I suspected. Maybe there'll be a few conservative places left by the time they're ready, or there'll be alternatives to higher education.
I love that he's back, but I was expecting a commentary on the pending civil war in America, not an op-ed about the attack on STEM by the woke twitterati.
He is an expert at exposing rotten foundations. Most of the "woke" have completely submitted to academic elitism by hitching critical theory to the same institutions as hard sciences. Hard science is easy to trust by looking at the wonders of modern technology. Those within the hard sciences thought the scientific method would firewall them. Unfortunately the cancer has metastasized now.
The West has fallen. We can't go back. Now what will we build, a worthy successor or a decent into chaos?
"On the third day, look to the west" - what kept repeating in my mind reading the article. Picturing Jordan Peterson with the rough riders charging down the hill at the horde of Karens and young entitled 'intellectuals'.
He's been talking about it for a number of years, and that he's watched it get worse over the last 20 years (that's right in this article even). His speaking out was because a line was crossed for him, and of course they went after him for it, and he knew they would. I would guess you're not much of a JBP fan but there was nothing sudden about his realization.
If you know his teachings he's been a sort of anti-nihlist for the longest time, but is a very liberal guy at heart. It's one of the reasons he's considered one of the most hated people in his field, he's both too progressive and counter culture at the same time. His past teachings are in no way related to this current statement which popped up on his radar when they started attacking him for his beliefs, which was years ago btw. Only now that his reputation is basically ruined (to some, not all) does he offer us this statement. That doesn't take away he's a brilliant man at all, I'm just saying he took an arrow to the knee more than 4 years ago and only now does he lecture us about the dangers of arrows.
Only now? I'm confused by what you mean. Do you mean 'now' as in this article, or 'now' as in 'not 20 years ago' but when he started speaking openly about it a few years ago?
Why didn't he release this exact article back when his transgender comments almost had him removed from the psychology community several years ago? Yes I mean specifically scientific activism like climate changes and such. His core teaching go far beyond our era and are applicable to humanity in any epoch really.
He couldn't have released this exact article as the developments he is speaking of are new, but he has certainly talked at length many, many times about diversity, inclusion and equity in universities and the negative consequences. You could hardly miss it if you've heard or seen him speak so I still don't know what you are talking about exactly. Are you now making this specifically just about the hard sciences?
"Why should you care? Because this is, in truth, the state of the modern university -- and what happens there will happen everywhere five years later."
These are just the examples I can remember, but he definitely talked about it in the Joe Rogan podcasts. I think you'd have a better chance of finding him talking about the problems with universities than not if you picked media of him at random.
Yes this is precisely about the empirical sciences as opposed to evolving cultural norms on a college campus. You could say the Marxist infiltration of the American education system is a product of the Cold war, long before even McCarthy. The difference today is the average, anonymous, uneducated activist has a say in the educator's policy decisions absent what merit they should have or believe they have. I know the two seem similar in nature, but to someone who's looked at this kind of behavior for a long time the difference between faculty deliberating changes through discussion and being forced into a decision change without a vote cannot be mistaken as the same situation. It is not the same for a committee of independent liberal minded members to agree on liberal policies (even if they're morons) than it is for an angry activist mob to dictate what those officials can be for or against. One is legitimate but unfortunate, the other removes authority from the power structure and allocates it to self proclaimed victims.
Dr. Gad Saad talks of the DIE Doctrine often.
Universities are quickly eroding their relevance by pressing these agendas. People are waking up to this fact more every day.
The Chinese virus is going to crush many universities that will lose up to a year/year and a half of their revenue because of closures. Many will shutter forever.
I was not upset about this.
Will also be harder for the indoctrination centers to indoctrinate.
China virus does have a couple positives.
"I'm gonna go get a $500,000 loan for gender studies! It was only $300,000 before they banned the chinese. Orange man bad." - libtard
Exactly
I hope it doesn't go *that *far. I'm not ready to retire yet.
The Dark Ages are approaching.
What an absolute tragedy in the making.
It is already next to impossible to unquestioningly trust information put out by most government agencies. Now even the work of those on the frontiers of science is being hampered.
How can progress be made in this type of environment?
I hope these idiots live long enough to see their tyranny in full swing, used upon them.
And I hope it's when they're old and defenseless.
It will be exactly what they deserve.
Let’s just give them the “full swing” for treason early and avoid all the other nonsense.
I think that is the wrong kind of hope. The negative fallout from the decisions these people are making will impact all of us and also future generations.
Instead, I hope that the ship can be steered away from the rocks before disaster strikes. If not, we all lose.
I agree, but I don't think the ship is going to be steered back into "sane waters". I think they're going to park it on the rocks, light it on fire and live on an intellectually deserted island.
I'm cynical, but these people are marching to their doom and will not even accept a thought or word that doesn't agree. Look around you, people are being silenced and fired merely for raising a hand and saying "Umm, I have another thought on this matter..."
Things are definitely trending heavily in that direction, and it seems that there is very little reason to hope that it will change.
However, trends always continue in the same direction until they stop, and they sometimes stop suddenly (just look at the stock market over the past 5 months).
That is what needs to happen and what I am hoping for: some unforeseen, massive event that alters the current trajectory. Hopefully one that is not too painful.
Natural trends can stop abruptly.
This is all planned and pushed by the elites. They want to break America and Americans. We are not easily controlled. That's no good for what the have planned.
Problem is they will never notice that attending nurse is functionally retarded when she accidentally ODs them.
Don't worry they'll save the evil white competent doctors for themselves. Diversity is for your benefit, not theirs :^)
Wow.
I am glad to read his words again.
There isn't a person on the left that can deconstruct that article in any meaningful (or even comprehensible) way. It'll only be "REEEE!"
Yeah, I almost don't care what the article is about, just glad to see he is coherent and still working! I was worried about him.
Indeed. I have been hearing the haters (who also pan themselves off as the compassionate ones") calling him a drugee.
"Even the strong fatigue". He doesn't owe anyone to discuss what he has gone through, but from what I have read it was a living hell. The pressure of the hate is one thing, but when loved ones have a severe health crisis, that induces your own health crisis (based in pain), and then you end up relying on the meds more than you can imagine.
Seems like he has emerged with as sharp a wit as before he bore this burden.
And that’s why they had to sideline him.
Has anyone looked into the circumstances of his illness? For gods sake, a renowned psychologist, extremely popular and EFFECTIVE getting addicted to medication and getting so bad that they had to ship him off to Russia??! Is he still in a coma?? For fuck’s sake.
It’ll be difficult to convince me this is just a conspiracy theory.
His wife was seriously ill. Seems like his whole family is actually. Not exactly strange to become addicted.
Did she die?
No
Thank god. This man is sorely needed by young blokes the world over who are being attacked on all sides.
He is working on a new book I believe.
To sum it up.
"The woke mob is going to turn us into an Idiocracy. They've taken over everything else, now they are targeting hard science."
"It is now standard practice for university hiring boards to insist that their faculty job applicants submit a DIE plan with their curriculum vitae — a terribly dangerous occurrence of its own.
I believe that the fundamental reason such plans are required, particularly of those who practice in the so-called “hard” STEM fields (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) is so that those who could not hope to assess the quality of research endeavours in those specialties as a consequence of their own inability or ignorance, can be made into judges by enforcing the adoption of standards of attitude and behaviour that have nothing to do with the fields in question."
Bingo
It amazes me that a meritocracy is not allowed to exist anywhere but professional sports athletes (not to be confused with professional sports management or coaching staff). The one place that is absolutely meaningless for the advancement of society.
Underrated comment
French Revolution started for reason over church, merit over aristocracy, and other things.
Your sport analogy was explained by Dr. Peterson - we love to watch individuals achieve outstanding results when everyone is held to the same set of rules.
Jordan Peterson - Why Sports Are Compelling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SC7CwPd24s
France saw America 's Declaration and Bill of Rights of 1776, then they wanted the same in late 1780s.
America had better leadership in George Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, Franklin, and others. Americans also has better values than the French.
The Portuguese Revolução dos Cravos was very clean, but it also was WAY later (1974).
Predictable.
They public ally advocated for shutting down STEM on Twitter. Called mathematics “racist”. These people are flat out nuts.
They keep bumping around the IQ problem, but keep managing to miss the clue.
How is Peterson doing? I know he’s been in rehab for quite a while now. Haven’t heard from him in over a year.
His mailing list said yesterday "Dr. Peterson is returning to health and writing publicly." (this is that writing)
And back in February
https://sputniknews.com/viral/202002281078429307-back-in-the-saddle-jordan-peterson-returns-to-north-america-sends-joy-with-new-podcast/
He seems to be doing much better. Poor guy had a reaction to an anxiety (I think) medication where he was simultaneously allergic and physically addicted to it. There’s a name for the condition, but if he stopped taking it, he’d have dangerous withdrawal symptoms and if he took it, he’d have a dangerous allergic reaction. His wife was battling a very tough cancer at the time as well, which is why he was on the drug in the first place. He had to go to Russia for treatment in the end. Probably never hear the end of that. Good to have him back. We need him now more than ever.
I know, I really hope he's okay after this. I believe his wife died, too, so he's really had it tough.
Oh my gosh I hope that isn’t true.
His daughter posted a picture of her, him, and his birthday steak a couple of weeks ago. He looks good!
Western Academia is compromised and should be regarded with suspicion, even in the hard sciences.
In the US (Dr. Peterson is Canadian of course), they have been importing large swarms of foreigners as grad students, typically from China or India. I have seen with my own two eyes research jobs that, at an AMERICAN federal land-grant university, ask for "Mandarin speakers only" (and no, it wasn't a linguistics project either).
I know of one prominent state university that deprecated English 101/102 as core curriculum, and replaced it with an easier, renamed course that was essentially a basic Comms course. This was done, per an inside source, because of the large numbers of foreign undergrads who can't pass English 101/102.
The heart of STEM is logic, ingenuity, rationality and results. I suspect we aren't far away from scientific research with dangerously wrong results being approved for publication because the author of the paper is non-white.
"This drug was invented by a PoC and killed 37% of patients; time to spin it as the white man's fault!"
So good to hear from him. He's been through hell for nearly 2 years now. But damn, sjw anti-West communism has ruined STEM in Canada now. This really is the beginning of the end, unless HUGE gains are made in a short time. We need the fear of God back in our lives.
Neitzche was a prophet...
"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
As a physicist (teacher not researcher), this makes me furious. It's why I don't belong to these national academic organizations anymore. They've all become political and they don't reflect my values.
This started 10 years ago.
I was there at Stanford when it started.
Hard sciences, math.
If scientists found a real cure for the mental disease known as transgenderism, they would be murdered, anyone that knew about it would be murdered, and the research would be destroyed. Even considering researching such a thing would likely get them killed or at least result in their reputations being destroyed.
It’s more important to be morally correct than factually correct.
-AOC
A lot of society's problems has to do with putting women in charge of things.
This needs to be said more, need to break the npc programming
I love Jordan Peterson.
So sad to see STEM die right in front of my eyes.
Is he back?!? We need him now more than ever.
Ayn Rand's "Science Institute" is coming to life.
also on topic: Bret Weinstien on Joe Rogan last week.
Can confirm. Hard sciences have been overtaken by leftists. Engineering is still a bit better than chemistry/biology/physics, but it is moving that way as well. There is definitely a strong correlation between the % of women in a major and how cucked it is.
Very glad to see JP writing again! Even if it was to show how Marxism is thoroughly infiltrated STEM fields..
guess educators shouldnt have spent the last 60 years capitulating to the mob. Theres a reason the greek god of knowledge and education carried scrolls and a sword.Its the educators job to not only teach, but defend knowledge.
When the christians came to burn the library of alexandria....the scientists, philosophers, and teachers fled.
Thank god for Dr Peterson.
My kids will be ready for college in 6 and 8 years respectively. Any chance of this turning around before then?
In my opinion, no. Its still spreading. A few blue states still have somewhat "normal" universities at more local levels. But in 6-8 years those will have fallen. I'm encouraging my youngest to pursue vocational skills. Electrician, Welder, Builder etc.
Hate to burst your bubble but there’s less than a 0% chance. I was in undergrad in 2015 and it was pretty bad. Now, in graduate school 5 years later, it’s even worse than it was in 2015. So many noticeable differences. From the professors to the masses of sheep students walking around. Everyone is fragile and thinks the world revolves around them. I don’t want to know what it’ll be in 6-8 years.
What you describe is what I suspected. Maybe there'll be a few conservative places left by the time they're ready, or there'll be alternatives to higher education.
SEE: "Global Warming"
He has his own website
https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/political-correctness/the-missive/
I wouldn't say stalking but many on the right know/believe climate scientists and many medical scientists, among others, are completely fraudulent.
Well, fuck...
I love that he's back, but I was expecting a commentary on the pending civil war in America, not an op-ed about the attack on STEM by the woke twitterati.
He is an expert at exposing rotten foundations. Most of the "woke" have completely submitted to academic elitism by hitching critical theory to the same institutions as hard sciences. Hard science is easy to trust by looking at the wonders of modern technology. Those within the hard sciences thought the scientific method would firewall them. Unfortunately the cancer has metastasized now.
The West has fallen. We can't go back. Now what will we build, a worthy successor or a decent into chaos?
Frightening.
Well, that was depressing.
WELCOME BACK, COTTER
I'm a supporter of school choice, including vouchers from federal funding.
I've never heard the idea of 'science vouchers' discussed. Do you guys think any such system could work?
Note to self: never hire anyone who went to Brock University.
"On the third day, look to the west" - what kept repeating in my mind reading the article. Picturing Jordan Peterson with the rough riders charging down the hill at the horde of Karens and young entitled 'intellectuals'.
A little late to the party there Doc. Only after they go after him does he suddenly realize this.
He's been talking about it for a number of years, and that he's watched it get worse over the last 20 years (that's right in this article even). His speaking out was because a line was crossed for him, and of course they went after him for it, and he knew they would. I would guess you're not much of a JBP fan but there was nothing sudden about his realization.
If you know his teachings he's been a sort of anti-nihlist for the longest time, but is a very liberal guy at heart. It's one of the reasons he's considered one of the most hated people in his field, he's both too progressive and counter culture at the same time. His past teachings are in no way related to this current statement which popped up on his radar when they started attacking him for his beliefs, which was years ago btw. Only now that his reputation is basically ruined (to some, not all) does he offer us this statement. That doesn't take away he's a brilliant man at all, I'm just saying he took an arrow to the knee more than 4 years ago and only now does he lecture us about the dangers of arrows.
Only now? I'm confused by what you mean. Do you mean 'now' as in this article, or 'now' as in 'not 20 years ago' but when he started speaking openly about it a few years ago?
Why didn't he release this exact article back when his transgender comments almost had him removed from the psychology community several years ago? Yes I mean specifically scientific activism like climate changes and such. His core teaching go far beyond our era and are applicable to humanity in any epoch really.
He couldn't have released this exact article as the developments he is speaking of are new, but he has certainly talked at length many, many times about diversity, inclusion and equity in universities and the negative consequences. You could hardly miss it if you've heard or seen him speak so I still don't know what you are talking about exactly. Are you now making this specifically just about the hard sciences?
some examples, btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LquIQisaZFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IBegL_V6AA (from a 90 minute interview with Jonathan Haidt titled 'The Perilous State of the University)
2 hours discussing what happened with Lindsay Shepherd at Wilfred Laurier University: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWVmDSMl30s
"Why should you care? Because this is, in truth, the state of the modern university -- and what happens there will happen everywhere five years later."
Oh, and he has spoken specifically about climate change too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUylMbTwY_0
These are just the examples I can remember, but he definitely talked about it in the Joe Rogan podcasts. I think you'd have a better chance of finding him talking about the problems with universities than not if you picked media of him at random.
Yes this is precisely about the empirical sciences as opposed to evolving cultural norms on a college campus. You could say the Marxist infiltration of the American education system is a product of the Cold war, long before even McCarthy. The difference today is the average, anonymous, uneducated activist has a say in the educator's policy decisions absent what merit they should have or believe they have. I know the two seem similar in nature, but to someone who's looked at this kind of behavior for a long time the difference between faculty deliberating changes through discussion and being forced into a decision change without a vote cannot be mistaken as the same situation. It is not the same for a committee of independent liberal minded members to agree on liberal policies (even if they're morons) than it is for an angry activist mob to dictate what those officials can be for or against. One is legitimate but unfortunate, the other removes authority from the power structure and allocates it to self proclaimed victims.
When you say 'Doc" do you meant Peterson, or the subject of the article? I agree with the latter, but not the former.
Jordan needs to stay off the Meth, and stop trying to teach young men to avoid conflict.
Controlled opposition.