This behavior could be reigned it by the Federal Reserve and the Federal Government. But don't hold your breathe.
Anybody remember Obama's Operation choke point? People should have been outraged then. I know was. I knew that once that door was open, it would be difficult to close and would lead us to where we are now. Banks and payment processors should not have the ability to deny services to any legitimate business that meets all credit and other legal standards for other business customers, as long as the business is not illegal under state or Federal law.
What's next, the banks denying INDVIDUALS services based on their point of view? I see little difference.
Instead of shooting them through, you should have an older female come out with them on a plate, and make sure she drops it right before she gets to you.
Denovo is not needed. I don't know why you say that is the requirement. You need 1 or few banks under a holding company. A Cuso (4 Credit Unions) or a couple S&L banks in Oklahoma with their state reassurance program.
This is literally fascism. Fascism is when the government uses corporate entities to rule. The attempt to use fascism is a way to get around having to actually write and pass laws in order to impose an agenda.
They have more power than the government. Visa and MasterCard can literally dictate who is allowed to trade with whom. No government has ever had that level of control over individual's finances in this way.
Imagine if every bank account and card you own was frozen overnight. Most people would be screwed. If they carry on like this, then people will literally starve to death.
Whales could tank the entire crypto market if they wanted. You know how that would look? A steady price increase as they buy in, then it tanking as they unload.
The money these entities controls means their pocket change dwarves the total market capitalization of the crypto markets.
Yeah there is a lot of manipulation in the crypto space and a lot of coins that look impressive but have nothing really behind them easy to mess with the markets as not many real people own the crypto and its just a few whales trading between to make the market cap look good.
One of the reasons i love Skycoin is its a old project and looks to solve all the problems crypto had and also it has coin hours a parallel currency so you effectively gain interest on the Skycoin you hold in your wallet, no staking just passive and simple.
Which is meant to help encourage people to hold their Skycoin and spend the coin hours instead so some stability is created but you don't have to fear spending your coin hours as they are generated 1 for every hour you hold 1 Skycoin.
Also the project is ran by the super based Synth who hates censorship and is a mad genius when it comes to crypto and is also building a replacement for the internet called Skywire meshnet.
Remember when Bank of America was denying loans to some gun manufacturers? That was another example. That is when I moved my money out and closed my account with them.
While Operation Choke Point was ruled illegal and supposedly shut down, it was never defunded by Congress. This has caused banks and credit processors to continue as if Choke Point is still in effect "Just in Case" so that they do not loose their federal status' if on some whim some prosecutor decides to come for them under the Choke Point provisions. The banks remain to this day extremely skittish over this as they believe eventually that Choke Point will come back in some way and catch them with their pants down. Eric Holder's Operation Choke Point still lives. F* Obama.
Obama really showed how the powers of the Federal government could be used to advance an agenda. Of course, he was given a complete free pass from the Fake news media while doing so. That was a big help.
Agreed. He really messed up the various financial businesses both in the USA, and particularly for international banking. Now, nearly all banks outside the USA will refuse to open accounts for USA citizens. They don't want the hassle of the required paperwork Obama added to the process nor the exposure to banking fines. Also, wire transfers were reduced to 5k per month for everyone unless you were specifically exempted by your bank based on previous history. My bank only limited me to 50k per month because of history, but what if you are starting a new business with no history? I could get an exception because I know how, but the average person would be stuck. Funny thing is, the dishonest people the USA is supposedly trying to catch and stop all know how to bypass it too. It only hurts the honest person trying to get ahead.
we're going to have to create our own. We need new banks, new credit lines, and new payment processing. Digital currencies are a start but ultimately I think we'll be glad later if we create banking and currencies based on some hard assets now and use good marketing/sales tactics to get lots of normies onboard. Free the money!
There are plenty of non-Fed currencies in existence today, you just don't hear about them much. You might have to play the game a little, schmoozing local DAs, radio personalities, etc. to get popularity. Run smear campaigns on anyone who tries to stop you. Above all, stop making excuses for why things can't be done. Start figuring out how to make it happen. The deep state are cocky assholes whose power is contingent on our compliance.
I tend to use AmEx where I can - they seem to be the least cucky of the big three.
Long term, Crypto is our only hope. Seriously, have a genuine look at it. It is impossible for a government or bank to seize funds from people they don't like, or stop individuals or businesses from trading with each other.
Nope, they're the majority of the market. Discover/Amex are a very small portion.
They're also just a clearing house for your transactions. So you'll get merchant processing, then usually get discover/amex approved separately for that merchant account.
Once you're blacklisted, it's shell Corp city from there on out. And your relegated to the gray area of America (which is thriving btw).
So Gab gets a new merchant account, which accepts Visa/MC, visa then leans on the bank/processor to shut that merchant account down.
Sucks, he's def fucked. It's why you never associate your name with a brand or processing, imho.
Yeah, remember in Atlas Shrugged when all the "producers" revolted against socialism? I see the opposite happening. The profit motive is driving these companies to bow to Chinese money without considering that for them its just another useful tool to gain worldwide supremacy. They didnt just suddenly turn into Capitalists.
I think you'd better read the book again. That's literally what it's about. Who are the successful? The ones who do what the government tells them to do. Their art sucks. Their businesses are disasters. When the truly productive notice, and stop . . . that's when he shrugs.
Except those producers have built a system that eliminates their necessity, at least in the short term. Anyone can use their blueprints and the systems created by the past producers to become cookie cutter producers themselves. This is the only reason China isn't a third world country. They cut and paste the systems past producers made. Now Atlas shrugs and no one bats an eye, because nothing happens. What the leeches have realized is that they can pilfer the system and get rich doing nothing but being corrupt. There's probably a failure point where corruption exceeds production, but who's to say where that's at.
That's true, they stole from their future selves to pay themselves temporarily, and now they're fucked. We just did the same thing. The only positive thing about Biden winning, is that if we can survive the 4 years of Biden after the economic collapse, it'll be conservatives all the way down for 12 years or more. Assuming there's not a civil unrest, civil war, famine, insurrection, invasion, whatever before we get there.
It is a good book to a point. The biggest problem with the entire book is the third part. That is where Ayn Rand realized she blew her wad in the first two parts and the third part becomes a fantasy novel with more deus ex machina spell casting.
Absolutely correct. And the new wealthy often lose it within two generations because they dont teach the next generation what they did to earn that wealth and cant retain and build on it. Our President is one of the few exceptions. His newly wealthy father made him earn it and he is teaching his kids.
You're missing a key distinction. Credit cards have now all but taken the place of currency. Currency is the foundation of the economy and hence competition.
Even conservatives (probably even libertarians) agree that there are some goods and services that must be provided to everyone. The electricity company may be private (most are) but they cannot shut off your power because they don't like your thinking. That would destroy true competition by favoring some over others.
So there is a fundamental distinction between regulating the FOUNDATIONS of competition (electricity, water, currency, phone service) and regulating the outputs. Some businesses end up providing such essential services and we have special rules for them (common carrier being the most obvious). That is entirely compatible with the conservative position.
The difference (classically at least before the world went nuts) is that conservatives place a heavy presumption against regulation, whereas liberals sought it as a first line of attack. Conservatives don't want to regulate Visa or Twitter, but when it is obvious they are providers of services that underlie a competitive marketplace AND the companies have engaged in blatant discrimination/favoritism, there is not much choice.
Freedom in this new era is the capacity to maintainin a measure of competitiveness in markets without requiring grid supplied power, internet, and other infrastructure. They have us all by the balls so long as we depend on their systems.
You're absolutely correct, and Tucker has been talking about this too. The right went way too far with corporate bootlicking. We assumed that if an entity was private, then it could do no harm. And if it did harm, competition would act as a dampener on that harm. We now know that to be totally false. We now see why monopoly laws were created.
I see the right centering itself economically these days, which I think is a great thing. People like Josh Hawley and Tucker Carlson are on the right track.
We don't have a free or fair market. The government is so deeply ingrained in everything that there's no legitimate competition - the regulatory compliance burden is high enough to shut upstarts out entirely.
We have to build our own financial networks. Why are we playing by their rules? We have enough people to do this, and we don't have to use bitcoin to do it either.
People keep saying this but you don't always just pull all the infrastructure needed to run a second country within a country out of your butt.
That can only work for so long. In the interim it can even be a good business prospect in some areas but ultimately and particularly for cases like this your only sure thing may be the 2nd amendment if all other legal avenues fail.
Don't need a second country. Just need direct marketing to conservatives. Build American friendly banks, companies, department stores, entertainment, sports. Built by conservatives for conservatives. We can just go around them. They are too far gone. We have to move on..
Let me paint a scenario for you. Imagine a direct streaming tv service that offers OAN. Offers all of the movies/tv shows banned by cancel culture. There are more than you think. Offers new movies/tv shows made for us, not made to program us. Shows like Roseanne, which was the most popular tv show until they took it off the air. All the shows we watched growing up that are no longer shown because the networks are batshit crazy.
That is just one industry and it would be insanely popular. We don't need them. We can just go around those 'in charge'. Direct to the customer.
The problem with this thinking is that is exactly how societies break down and wars start. Economic bonds are the strongest ties between different groups of people. If you set up two parallel economic systems, you will soon have two different nations. One way, or the other.
You have to understand. This isn't our choice. I promise you that if we have the guts to do this, they would have no choice but go along... Eventually. Sure, there would be the fringe that wouldn't, but most would. Know why? Because we are the money. Where we go, they will be prosperous and the leftists will whither away. We don't have to play by their rules. I don't know why we do.
I guarantee anyone who has used a credit or debit card to buy a gun, ammo, or gun accessories is on a watch list. This is why they want to eliminate cash, so that you can't hide from them.
This is probably going to be unpopular with some, but I'm going to say it.
Notice when this was first posted. It was posted today, June 26, 2020, the same day - or rather, the same week that rival Parler ended up being number one on Apple's App Store. And make no mistake, Andrew Torba does see Parler as a rival, and has said as much in the past.
I won't bother posting this on Gab because Andrew would just block me (he does that with people that piss him off) and I'd never actually get an answer, but I'm going to ask the question here: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, ANDREW? He complains about how Trump supposedly hasn't done anything about the tech censorship yet he's known about this problem for a while, and yet all he does is beg for people to get Gab Pro.
What's happening to him is horrible, but I am sure something can be done. Consult with a lawyer at least.
Something similar happened to Laura Loomer - Chase closed the account she had with them, with absolutely no explanation. This was after Twitter, Facebook and Instagram banned her (oh, and she's banned by Uber and Lyft too, for daring to point out the anti-Semitism of one of her Uber drivers).
She's running for a House seat, and in Trump's old district too. So far she's winning. She's at least DOING something.
All Torba (and Milo) has been doing is complaining about it, and starting up one random project after another without fixing the problems with their existing products (like Dissenter and how it STILL doesn't work with their Drudge Report ripoff).
but I'm going to ask the question here: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, ANDREW? He complains about how Trump supposedly hasn't done anything about the tech censorship yet he's known about this problem for a while, and yet all he does is beg for people to get Gab Pro.
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All Torba (and Milo) has been doing is complaining about it,
Torba built an alternative website to Twitter. Regardless of website issues, he IS doing something. Unfortunately he can't buy or sell anything without Visa threatening other financial institutions unless he can pay in cash, but you can't pay online fees and transactions with cash.
He has actually done more than make memes and complain on a forum. Now he is paying the price. It is up to us to do something, anything, to stop the Marxist takeover of America. Making clever memes is not doing anything.
True. Memes are useless. We need to create something that is REAL, e.g. new social media, a new payment processor, new banks etc. Now I know it is hard for an individual to do thid, but if we do this TOGETHER, we can pull this off and save this great republic and at the same time make a lot of money in the process.
Honestly I'm starting to doubt if anyone actually cares. Seems like most people are here to laugh at memes and get enraged over the news. Tried to make a post asking everyone to band together in the hopes of getting people to brainstorm ideas and see what we come up with.
It was dead on arrival meanwhile some useless memes fill the front page and brings absolutely nothing new to the table. We're like the lazy left. Expecting something from nothing. Hoping that one man can do all the work by himself.
I doubt Trump planned for America to sit idly by while he does everything. I think he wanted us to learn and fight alongside him.
Then archive, screenshot, and save as much evidence as you can and keep track of them. If we start hitting back then we'll need all the facts and proof we can get. Even the smallest example of corruption will help.
A buddy of mine mentioned the social media blackout and censorship vs. conservative voices, and someone replied that it's free enterprise, capitalism. Sure, until the only social media outlets are owned by the same few companies. He said to build your own platform.
Then there's this as yet another example. Someone builds their own platform, and Visa removes them.
Never forget how they blacklisted gun makers and retailers, too!
CC processors discriminate against the 2nd Amendment.
They will take payments for some purple-haired basement dweller that makes homemade soap for sale on Pinterest.
But they think that accepting payments for companies that are licensed and inspected by the Federal Gov is unacceptable behavior.
There are other cryptos as well. The one I like is monero because the transaction ledger is encrypted and has a bunch of privacy features built-in. The transaction fees are extremely low as well. I think eventually we will have to use technologies like these. It is only a matter of time where the payment systems start to censor like youtube, facebook and similar big media. That's always the solution to censorship - Pseudonymity. You can't have many freedoms if you are at risk of persecution.
Black pill: The tyranny of the digital and electrified era is nearly complete. Chaos and ignorance is being leveraged to kick the supports out from any alternative to a grid powered totalitarian digital system of political, cultural, and economic control.
Trump pill: how many people can I get to vote for Trump? Who will follow after him? Who in local elections can I support to escape this nightmare for my grandchildren?
Visa should have all access to government programs cut. No bailouts, no sweetheart federal reserve loans. If they are going to discriminate against people based on political beliefs or lack of supporting your chosen ideology they should not be receiving federal funds or aid.
Fuck credit. Start saving and building your own cash reserves. It sucks (takes discipline and planning), but it's the only way to stay out from under the banks' thumbs.
This is what Tucker was talking about last night. How the hell is this allowed to happen? How many people need to be voted out to course correct? Apparently, everyone.
This behavior could be reigned it by the Federal Reserve and the Federal Government. But don't hold your breathe.
Anybody remember Obama's Operation choke point? People should have been outraged then. I know was. I knew that once that door was open, it would be difficult to close and would lead us to where we are now. Banks and payment processors should not have the ability to deny services to any legitimate business that meets all credit and other legal standards for other business customers, as long as the business is not illegal under state or Federal law.
What's next, the banks denying INDVIDUALS services based on their point of view? I see little difference.
Bingo.
I dont wanna leave the jongle
No no no no no no!
Bango
Can you explain? FDIC regulations have created this mob tactic of singling out competitors of Twitter?
Yes. Have you tried opening a bank lately?
I HAVE NEVER TRIED OPENING A BANK.
Can I just make like "Bob's Bank of MAGA" or something?
You should. I'll open an account.
I got tree fiddy on it
I feel it should be more applicable if you named it after your tag. Bank of Rooftop Tendies.
Doable. I just would need to make sure the walk in vault doubled as a freezer.
"I am here to make a tendie withdrawl"
"Very good sir, would you like frozen or crispy and delicious?"
"Frozen, please I'm cooking them at home."
"Great, and would that be in bundles of tens or twenties?"
Then I will send them shooting at top speed through the little drive thru tubes.
Instead of shooting them through, you should have an older female come out with them on a plate, and make sure she drops it right before she gets to you.
Is that a FULL AUTO DRIVE THRU TENDIE DISPENSER? NO ONE NEEDS A FULL AUTO DRIVE THRU TENDIE DISPENSER.
Fuck me, next you'll say you want a silencer for it.
I would keep all my money in the tendie bank.
Rooftop Credit Union, logo is the silhouette of a rooftop korean
boom, look at that, you're my new head of marketing! HIRED.
Hell yeah! Every summer we can do "2A home loans." Finance a house with us and we'll give you a free ar15 security system.
A bank no. Suppose a credit club in the crypto space for hyper-local community transactions and commerce. Provide critical functions and insurance.
With ease of tossing up a crypto project since it's based on math I'd be shocked if we don't see pockets outside conventional structures appear.
Kinda like when off shore gambling appeared... and then was shut down by the (mob) US authorities?
Denovo is not needed. I don't know why you say that is the requirement. You need 1 or few banks under a holding company. A Cuso (4 Credit Unions) or a couple S&L banks in Oklahoma with their state reassurance program.
Yes. If you wanted to straight up create a 1:1 clone of Paypal, you literally can't do it due to the reg changes.
Can you point me to the regulation? Is it FDIC? Any details would be great because I am wanting to dig into this. Thank you.
Also, Visa and MasterCard are the same company, it should be regulated as monopoly abuse.
I'm surprised they haven't blacklisted all of Trump's businesses. I imagine they might after he leaves office though O.O
They only like to pick on people who they think can't fight back.
If Trump wasn't president he'd royally fuck them up economically.
This is literally fascism. Fascism is when the government uses corporate entities to rule. The attempt to use fascism is a way to get around having to actually write and pass laws in order to impose an agenda.
FINALLY! Someone who knows the actual definition of "fascism" and that is just not "governance I do not like"
I've been saying it for some time, too. It is the textbook definition of fascism and it has come to America.
edit to add comment:
https://thedonald.win/p/FzFv5GNO/x/c/12igvj01Op
They have more power than the government. Visa and MasterCard can literally dictate who is allowed to trade with whom. No government has ever had that level of control over individual's finances in this way.
Imagine if every bank account and card you own was frozen overnight. Most people would be screwed. If they carry on like this, then people will literally starve to death.
Crypto for the win
Whales could tank the entire crypto market if they wanted. You know how that would look? A steady price increase as they buy in, then it tanking as they unload.
The money these entities controls means their pocket change dwarves the total market capitalization of the crypto markets.
Anyone could tank any commodity on the free market- and it happens all the time. Such is life. That’s why it’s a free market.
Crypto, while wasting a ton of electricity, is still the closest thing we have to real money for the people by the people. It’s the 1776 of money.
If the power is out, then you aren't using your debit card either. Somehow we live on.
Solar / generator. Remember the network is world wide and still functions during blackouts. What you’re referring to is an extinction level event
Homeless and poor people do it every day.
Yeah there is a lot of manipulation in the crypto space and a lot of coins that look impressive but have nothing really behind them easy to mess with the markets as not many real people own the crypto and its just a few whales trading between to make the market cap look good.
One of the reasons i love Skycoin is its a old project and looks to solve all the problems crypto had and also it has coin hours a parallel currency so you effectively gain interest on the Skycoin you hold in your wallet, no staking just passive and simple. Which is meant to help encourage people to hold their Skycoin and spend the coin hours instead so some stability is created but you don't have to fear spending your coin hours as they are generated 1 for every hour you hold 1 Skycoin.
Also the project is ran by the super based Synth who hates censorship and is a mad genius when it comes to crypto and is also building a replacement for the internet called Skywire meshnet.
Skywire... meshnet...
wait...
It's like denying loans to people because they are black. Didn't that used to be a thing?
Sure did. Just ask the Democrats.
They already have banned individuals for political viewpoints. See Chase Bank and the Proud Boys.
They (banks/credit card processors) also ban businesses based on what they sell.
Remember when Bank of America was denying loans to some gun manufacturers? That was another example. That is when I moved my money out and closed my account with them.
While Operation Choke Point was ruled illegal and supposedly shut down, it was never defunded by Congress. This has caused banks and credit processors to continue as if Choke Point is still in effect "Just in Case" so that they do not loose their federal status' if on some whim some prosecutor decides to come for them under the Choke Point provisions. The banks remain to this day extremely skittish over this as they believe eventually that Choke Point will come back in some way and catch them with their pants down. Eric Holder's Operation Choke Point still lives. F* Obama.
Obama really showed how the powers of the Federal government could be used to advance an agenda. Of course, he was given a complete free pass from the Fake news media while doing so. That was a big help.
Agreed. He really messed up the various financial businesses both in the USA, and particularly for international banking. Now, nearly all banks outside the USA will refuse to open accounts for USA citizens. They don't want the hassle of the required paperwork Obama added to the process nor the exposure to banking fines. Also, wire transfers were reduced to 5k per month for everyone unless you were specifically exempted by your bank based on previous history. My bank only limited me to 50k per month because of history, but what if you are starting a new business with no history? I could get an exception because I know how, but the average person would be stuck. Funny thing is, the dishonest people the USA is supposedly trying to catch and stop all know how to bypass it too. It only hurts the honest person trying to get ahead.
Patreon and Paypal have cut off individuals.
And Go Fund Me.
Also fuck MasterCard for their own censorship (threatening to shut down Patreon unless they banned the accounts of people they did not like)
EDIT: And double-fuck Visa for their owner (Bank of America) giving $1BN to a terrorist organisation.
Are there any credit-cards providers that aren't fucked these days?
we're going to have to create our own. We need new banks, new credit lines, and new payment processing. Digital currencies are a start but ultimately I think we'll be glad later if we create banking and currencies based on some hard assets now and use good marketing/sales tactics to get lots of normies onboard. Free the money!
There are plenty of non-Fed currencies in existence today, you just don't hear about them much. You might have to play the game a little, schmoozing local DAs, radio personalities, etc. to get popularity. Run smear campaigns on anyone who tries to stop you. Above all, stop making excuses for why things can't be done. Start figuring out how to make it happen. The deep state are cocky assholes whose power is contingent on our compliance.
I tend to use AmEx where I can - they seem to be the least cucky of the big three.
Long term, Crypto is our only hope. Seriously, have a genuine look at it. It is impossible for a government or bank to seize funds from people they don't like, or stop individuals or businesses from trading with each other.
Bitcoin
Nope, they're the majority of the market. Discover/Amex are a very small portion.
They're also just a clearing house for your transactions. So you'll get merchant processing, then usually get discover/amex approved separately for that merchant account.
Once you're blacklisted, it's shell Corp city from there on out. And your relegated to the gray area of America (which is thriving btw).
So Gab gets a new merchant account, which accepts Visa/MC, visa then leans on the bank/processor to shut that merchant account down.
Sucks, he's def fucked. It's why you never associate your name with a brand or processing, imho.
Who did they give a billion to?
BLM
So straight into Democrat pockets. Terrorists, like you said.
Yeah, remember in Atlas Shrugged when all the "producers" revolted against socialism? I see the opposite happening. The profit motive is driving these companies to bow to Chinese money without considering that for them its just another useful tool to gain worldwide supremacy. They didnt just suddenly turn into Capitalists.
I think you'd better read the book again. That's literally what it's about. Who are the successful? The ones who do what the government tells them to do. Their art sucks. Their businesses are disasters. When the truly productive notice, and stop . . . that's when he shrugs.
Except those producers have built a system that eliminates their necessity, at least in the short term. Anyone can use their blueprints and the systems created by the past producers to become cookie cutter producers themselves. This is the only reason China isn't a third world country. They cut and paste the systems past producers made. Now Atlas shrugs and no one bats an eye, because nothing happens. What the leeches have realized is that they can pilfer the system and get rich doing nothing but being corrupt. There's probably a failure point where corruption exceeds production, but who's to say where that's at.
Venezuela, that's one who
That's true, they stole from their future selves to pay themselves temporarily, and now they're fucked. We just did the same thing. The only positive thing about Biden winning, is that if we can survive the 4 years of Biden after the economic collapse, it'll be conservatives all the way down for 12 years or more. Assuming there's not a civil unrest, civil war, famine, insurrection, invasion, whatever before we get there.
I'm not so sure. You presume that society can continue with nothing but blue-haired trans whales in charge. I'm not sure that's the case.
It is a good book to a point. The biggest problem with the entire book is the third part. That is where Ayn Rand realized she blew her wad in the first two parts and the third part becomes a fantasy novel with more deus ex machina spell casting.
That's simply not true, by the stats. Two-thirds of millionaires and billionaires did not inherit their wealth.
Absolutely correct. And the new wealthy often lose it within two generations because they dont teach the next generation what they did to earn that wealth and cant retain and build on it. Our President is one of the few exceptions. His newly wealthy father made him earn it and he is teaching his kids.
Except Tiffany.
Tiffany is only 26. She just graduated Law School last month. Georgetown.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/06/02/tiffany-trump-becomes-the-only-trump-to-post-for-blackout-tuesday/#116eacc45185
You're missing a key distinction. Credit cards have now all but taken the place of currency. Currency is the foundation of the economy and hence competition.
Even conservatives (probably even libertarians) agree that there are some goods and services that must be provided to everyone. The electricity company may be private (most are) but they cannot shut off your power because they don't like your thinking. That would destroy true competition by favoring some over others.
So there is a fundamental distinction between regulating the FOUNDATIONS of competition (electricity, water, currency, phone service) and regulating the outputs. Some businesses end up providing such essential services and we have special rules for them (common carrier being the most obvious). That is entirely compatible with the conservative position.
The difference (classically at least before the world went nuts) is that conservatives place a heavy presumption against regulation, whereas liberals sought it as a first line of attack. Conservatives don't want to regulate Visa or Twitter, but when it is obvious they are providers of services that underlie a competitive marketplace AND the companies have engaged in blatant discrimination/favoritism, there is not much choice.
Freedom in this new era is the capacity to maintainin a measure of competitiveness in markets without requiring grid supplied power, internet, and other infrastructure. They have us all by the balls so long as we depend on their systems.
You're absolutely correct, and Tucker has been talking about this too. The right went way too far with corporate bootlicking. We assumed that if an entity was private, then it could do no harm. And if it did harm, competition would act as a dampener on that harm. We now know that to be totally false. We now see why monopoly laws were created.
I see the right centering itself economically these days, which I think is a great thing. People like Josh Hawley and Tucker Carlson are on the right track.
We don't have a free or fair market. The government is so deeply ingrained in everything that there's no legitimate competition - the regulatory compliance burden is high enough to shut upstarts out entirely.
There's this thing called a "Discrimination Lawsuit", Andrew.
Grow some balls and use it.
The sad part is this isn't the first time he's done this. Playing the victim card all the goddamn time is what the Left does. He should know better.
hahaha, you think the law works.
Visa and others can just draw out the court case to infinity. Ultimately whoever has more money to retain lawyers wins.
They are under construction...good idea thougth
No. They are Open for business!!!!! Stop the fake news
When I clicked Credit Card Processing Learn More button I got this
https://www.secondamendmentprocessing.com/under-construction
They're open for business Good post.
We have to build our own financial networks. Why are we playing by their rules? We have enough people to do this, and we don't have to use bitcoin to do it either.
People keep saying this but you don't always just pull all the infrastructure needed to run a second country within a country out of your butt.
That can only work for so long. In the interim it can even be a good business prospect in some areas but ultimately and particularly for cases like this your only sure thing may be the 2nd amendment if all other legal avenues fail.
Don't need a second country. Just need direct marketing to conservatives. Build American friendly banks, companies, department stores, entertainment, sports. Built by conservatives for conservatives. We can just go around them. They are too far gone. We have to move on..
Let me paint a scenario for you. Imagine a direct streaming tv service that offers OAN. Offers all of the movies/tv shows banned by cancel culture. There are more than you think. Offers new movies/tv shows made for us, not made to program us. Shows like Roseanne, which was the most popular tv show until they took it off the air. All the shows we watched growing up that are no longer shown because the networks are batshit crazy.
That is just one industry and it would be insanely popular. We don't need them. We can just go around those 'in charge'. Direct to the customer.
This will end in war, one way or another.
We have Mnuchin.
The problem with this thinking is that is exactly how societies break down and wars start. Economic bonds are the strongest ties between different groups of people. If you set up two parallel economic systems, you will soon have two different nations. One way, or the other.
You have to understand. This isn't our choice. I promise you that if we have the guts to do this, they would have no choice but go along... Eventually. Sure, there would be the fringe that wouldn't, but most would. Know why? Because we are the money. Where we go, they will be prosperous and the leftists will whither away. We don't have to play by their rules. I don't know why we do.
not really. We have somehow managed to regulate out water providers to not be able to shut off anyone's water over their political opinions.
I really don't know why payment processing to pay the water bill is considered not worth protecting in the same way.
This is illegal as hell
Yes it is.
I guarantee anyone who has used a credit or debit card to buy a gun, ammo, or gun accessories is on a watch list. This is why they want to eliminate cash, so that you can't hide from them.
See China's Social Credit System
Ah. Exactly as the founders and constitution intended. Libertarian people need to take a hard look at the 'it's a private company' stance
And pays them to put back doors in to violate your right to privacy
This is probably going to be unpopular with some, but I'm going to say it.
Notice when this was first posted. It was posted today, June 26, 2020, the same day - or rather, the same week that rival Parler ended up being number one on Apple's App Store. And make no mistake, Andrew Torba does see Parler as a rival, and has said as much in the past.
I won't bother posting this on Gab because Andrew would just block me (he does that with people that piss him off) and I'd never actually get an answer, but I'm going to ask the question here: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, ANDREW? He complains about how Trump supposedly hasn't done anything about the tech censorship yet he's known about this problem for a while, and yet all he does is beg for people to get Gab Pro.
What's happening to him is horrible, but I am sure something can be done. Consult with a lawyer at least.
Something similar happened to Laura Loomer - Chase closed the account she had with them, with absolutely no explanation. This was after Twitter, Facebook and Instagram banned her (oh, and she's banned by Uber and Lyft too, for daring to point out the anti-Semitism of one of her Uber drivers).
She's running for a House seat, and in Trump's old district too. So far she's winning. She's at least DOING something.
All Torba (and Milo) has been doing is complaining about it, and starting up one random project after another without fixing the problems with their existing products (like Dissenter and how it STILL doesn't work with their Drudge Report ripoff).
Torba built an alternative website to Twitter. Regardless of website issues, he IS doing something. Unfortunately he can't buy or sell anything without Visa threatening other financial institutions unless he can pay in cash, but you can't pay online fees and transactions with cash.
He has actually done more than make memes and complain on a forum. Now he is paying the price. It is up to us to do something, anything, to stop the Marxist takeover of America. Making clever memes is not doing anything.
True. Memes are useless. We need to create something that is REAL, e.g. new social media, a new payment processor, new banks etc. Now I know it is hard for an individual to do thid, but if we do this TOGETHER, we can pull this off and save this great republic and at the same time make a lot of money in the process.
Honestly I'm starting to doubt if anyone actually cares. Seems like most people are here to laugh at memes and get enraged over the news. Tried to make a post asking everyone to band together in the hopes of getting people to brainstorm ideas and see what we come up with.
It was dead on arrival meanwhile some useless memes fill the front page and brings absolutely nothing new to the table. We're like the lazy left. Expecting something from nothing. Hoping that one man can do all the work by himself.
I doubt Trump planned for America to sit idly by while he does everything. I think he wanted us to learn and fight alongside him.
I'd be totally up for that.
Then archive, screenshot, and save as much evidence as you can and keep track of them. If we start hitting back then we'll need all the facts and proof we can get. Even the smallest example of corruption will help.
A buddy of mine mentioned the social media blackout and censorship vs. conservative voices, and someone replied that it's free enterprise, capitalism. Sure, until the only social media outlets are owned by the same few companies. He said to build your own platform.
Then there's this as yet another example. Someone builds their own platform, and Visa removes them.
Mastercard and American Express both explicitly donated money to BLM
https://conservativeus.com/the-full-list-here-are-the-269-companies-who-are-supporting-blm-antifa-riots/
Seriously this is yet another situation where we need Federal legislation to come down hard on political bias.
Is Visa refusing to bake a cake because of Visa's beliefs? Interesting.
THeY wEre BorN that WaY mOron!
wow! We basically need our own independent systems. For everything. Even banking.
Ideological suppression and corporate terrorism will have to be addressed. Corporations dealing with essential infrastructure should be neutral.
Never forget how they blacklisted gun makers and retailers, too!
CC processors discriminate against the 2nd Amendment. They will take payments for some purple-haired basement dweller that makes homemade soap for sale on Pinterest. But they think that accepting payments for companies that are licensed and inspected by the Federal Gov is unacceptable behavior.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/honor-defense-credit-card-processors-discriminatory-practices/
Now do you guys see why bitcoin and similar cryptocurrencies are important?
Some people on here don't like cryptocurrencies.
There are other cryptos as well. The one I like is monero because the transaction ledger is encrypted and has a bunch of privacy features built-in. The transaction fees are extremely low as well. I think eventually we will have to use technologies like these. It is only a matter of time where the payment systems start to censor like youtube, facebook and similar big media. That's always the solution to censorship - Pseudonymity. You can't have many freedoms if you are at risk of persecution.
Trump can stop this right now.
Black pill: The tyranny of the digital and electrified era is nearly complete. Chaos and ignorance is being leveraged to kick the supports out from any alternative to a grid powered totalitarian digital system of political, cultural, and economic control.
Trump pill: how many people can I get to vote for Trump? Who will follow after him? Who in local elections can I support to escape this nightmare for my grandchildren?
Exactly. Black Pills are insufferable "know it alls" after all they have "learned too much".
A N T I T R U S T
I want to help but have no interest in GAB. Is there some specific people I should contact at VISA Or certain lawmakers who can end this practice?
Also “Hate Speech“ isn’t real and there are no limits on how people interpret it.
Yep. We could literally bring the payment processors to their knees by offering a far cheaper alternative to the people
Visa should have all access to government programs cut. No bailouts, no sweetheart federal reserve loans. If they are going to discriminate against people based on political beliefs or lack of supporting your chosen ideology they should not be receiving federal funds or aid.
You guys remember that episode of black mirror with the virtual credit score? Nosedive?
Yeah that's fast becoming reality
I wish we had a cadre of lawyers to fight this shit.
Used to, the ACLU would be up in arms and taking action.
Fuck credit. Start saving and building your own cash reserves. It sucks (takes discipline and planning), but it's the only way to stay out from under the banks' thumbs.
Can't he sue them?
We really need another competitor for Visa and MasterCard.
You would still be at the mercy of the banks.
Go to a credit union.
Opening up a bank is actually easier than one might think. It takes money of course, but it is doable. It's a business, nothing more.
gab seems like a reasonable alternative to twitter.
Why the resistance?
Parler wants your phone number. Fuck that.
Boog.
No
Tough crowd..
We really need to find a way to strike back at fascist companies that do this politicized crap.
This is what Tucker was talking about last night. How the hell is this allowed to happen? How many people need to be voted out to course correct? Apparently, everyone.
We should start a legal campaign or inform Tucker so Trump can hear about it and maybe do something.
Fauci calling out brown/black communities!
This article appears to be hate speech against Visa 🙄
Where are the laws to stop companies doing things like this? Seriously, come on GoP.
So are these psychos trying to manufacture the apocalypse or ....is it happening!?!