I don’t see him as an idiot. Not all people grew up with, or are familiar with weapons. His concerns in the age of coddle the criminal and arrest the working man are not without some validity. Especially with a corporate press that amplifies those points. So concern does not equal idiot. Even if the concern is no where near equal to dying. I would say he is simply wrong.
Thank you for that. Obviously, I don’t think he is an idiot, but I don’t think he is seeing the depth of our country’s current predicament either.
My dad had guns, but me being a girl, I was not allowed to learn about them. I‘ve forgiven that, but my husband has almost zero experience (was in the Swedish military, and shot skeet several times with our eldest, but that’s it.)
Both my daughters shoot lights out. On multiple platforms. Women are better shooters once they overcome any fear of the weapon. That is a simple fact. Tight groups from the go. You can always join a gun range that also sells and rents weapons. Find one that gives beginners classes. Ask for a female instructor if possible. Not necessary but a better fit for a female beginner. Do a private session if possible. Then rent a weapon, get some basics that will carry over for all weapons, and go from there. Take your husband to the 2nd lesson to watch. He will buy you a weapon before you leave
THIS! Absolutely, THIS!
All my girls (and wife) shoot and shoot very well. We have a local shooting school run by some friends. They teach a women’s “intro to firearms” class. We filled an entire class with family and friends. Ladies teach the class and John just oversees it and is around to help with questions. The women shoot all kinds of handguns from small revolvers to large and the same for semi-auto pistols. They get to hold, shoot, and familiarize themselves with them and can then make an educated decision on what kind of gun is right for them.
Go take a class. Buy a gun that fits you. Store it securely. Practice regularly.
You are sting enough to make this decision to protect yourself and your family.
You don’t need your husband’s permission to buy a firearm. Tell him you’re buying one and let him know he’s welcome to take a class with you on how to properly use it.
Unfortunately my state prohibits me from even handling a firearm (medical cannabis card). Plus, I honor my husband, and don’t want to make a big decision without his consent.
His main fear is that we use it in self defense and end up killing an invader, leading to prosecution. He is Swedish, which gives some context as to what I’m up against.
Praise the Lord but pass the ammo. You should have a means to protect yourself and your family. But that also comes with the responsibility to train how to use the weapon, train your children as well and teach and instill the respect the weapon deserves. And here in the country we teach our children how to use and respect weapons as soon as they can hold up the barrel of our .22 rifle. A weapon is not in your home to attack others, it is there to make sure they will not succeed attacking you.
I'm going to rip off the famous Spider-Man quote here but "with great power comes great responsibility". Gun ownership is something you don't want to advertise to the whole world if you decide to get one. If you're worried about your son playing with it, firmly teach him that guns arent toys. They will easily destroy whatever you are pointing them at in a matter of seconds. A lot of us responsible gun owners were taught by our fathers or grandfathers at an age much younger than 15 not to point a gun at anything you arent willing to destroy. Rule #1 on most gun ranges is to treat every firearm as though it's loaded. These are fundamental cornerstones of gun ownership that will keep your household safe from irresponsible gun handling. I can understand maybe not wanting your 15 year old to have his own weapon, but he is old enough to learn to shoot. If you are worried about him handling the weapon while you arent home, get a safe and put it in there. Everyone needs to be on the same page with gun safety. If they are, the environment of your home wont change at all. Simply bringing a gun into the home isnt going to attract violence to you. If you brag about it to the wrong people, maybe, but that's about it.
It is not that difficult to keep firearms secure. Guns in one locked place, ammo in another. Keys stored separately. Get creative where you store them, be very discreet.
I am sure they asshole breaking in will wait while you run around assembling your weapon.
Keep your weapon loaded and in a biometric safe by your bed if children not respecting it is your foncern. Respect and education works better with children though
I feel it is about risk assessment. Having lived in the same place very many years and having no break ins anywhere around us, we decided that the risk of kids (or visiting kids) getting into mischief with a loaded gun was higher then that of a thief (or worse) breaking in and this is how we addressed it.
I don't have an answer to that as I don't remember a time when I didn't have a firearm. 1st BB Gun at 6, 1st 22 at 8. Maybe I'm skewed though as a farm kid you were expected to work your way up as quickly as possible to help protect yourself and family from animal predators. You had your normal things all would consider as a threat, bear, wolf, mountain lion, etc. and then animals that had gone rabid (and therefore crazy). All that to say, unless you worry that your children have some serious issues, I wouldn't have a problem starting the education for the 10 year old. But I suggest it was done like mine was. Start with a BB gun supervised, once you are confident that they are handling that proper and you would feel safe to trust them to be alone with it, then move to a 22 and onward. A 22 wouldn't do anything to a bear but make him really really mad so moving up in caliber to handle the more powerful guns was the aim for the farm kids, but always with safety and education and skill development guiding the way. And last thing to point out, I wasn't a special case in my area, most every kid I went to school with was brought up the same way. Our automobiles always had loads of firearms in them (since we were often heading straight from school to the fields after) and no one got shot, no one thought twice about it, that was just how it was. Guns aren't the problem, lack of education, lack of safety, lack of repect for the weapon, lack of supervision and character development are. Mind those and you'll be fine. Oh and... "ruin our lives..." since the option is to be dead, mamed, or traumatized for life... I don't see that as an issue.
Thank you for that, we do have an air soft rifle, which I think is the same as a BB gun. Maybe we should all start by practicing with that in the back yard (we are on 1.3 acres in an nyc suburb). If he sees that everyone can safely handle that, perhaps we can move up to a shotgun or other rifle. Many of his friends are currently arming their families, so it is not hopeless, I just need to be tactful in my persuasion.
My wife and I are Grandparents, we've never owned guns (but are NRA members) because we didn't want guns in the house around our children and now Grandchildren and have always felt safe and protected by the police in the places that we've lived.
No longer. After watching the police stand down when threatened, we both realize that we are ultimately responsible for our and our family's safety. We're getting guns and taking safety courses. Interestingly, independent of us talking to them, our children also decided to protect themselves and are getting guns, along with a few other relatives. The riots and the upcoming elections have woken people up to the fact that leftists have embraced violence in order to achieve their objectives.
Safety is key of course, I sure hope you decide to exercise your rights.
Difficult thing to compromise on for each of you. Bear with me a moment, long way to go.
You mention Jesus coming back...Jesus reminded the Apostles to have a sword, mentioned they would need them after He left them, saying to sell their cloaks if need be to be sure they had one. Jesus didn't think they would wound or kill satan with the swords, the swords are to defend against Evil Men/Women, wildlife. They are to be used in defense of Humanity and God and morality and as protections against the workings of Evil. Our rifles are modern day swords, I take solace from that.
Our Constitution does require we bear arms as a deterrent against governmental tyranny - we are living through tyrannies now, desperately trying to avoid a most unCivil War as we do try to reestablish the Rule of Law. Our Constitution merely codifies much of God's Laws into Man's Laws, despite the indignation from the Enemy we very much are a Judeo-Christian nation. As you note the Enemy is destroying not just America here.
POTUS/'Q+' are our one last best chance to achieve that restoration of Law, a restoration of allegiance to God's Laws with a minimum of bloodshed, their Plan is working and we are probably roughly on schedule, as best as we understand schedules. But the Enemy will fight, is fighting, from plagues to wars to riots to using a nuke if they can, they will fight as we stand against them.
So expect Society to devolve even further in the coming weeks and months.
Urban areas are not likely to be any safer in the near future, some cities are absolutely lawless now. The country is better, in many places we simply don't have issues at all, but at least half of our national population is exposed to mindless violences from the Enemy. The police will not respond to help many citizens, and in other areas the chinese flu lockdown has them handicapped too. Crime is way up all over, Hate and anger rules the streets in many places, at any moment you could turn a corner and run into Evil in the streets.
Parents have to consider their kids too, you and your Husband have to defend them, try to protect them, try to nurture/educate them. You must be able to provide stability in order to do that, living in fear is not stable.
No one wants to use their rifles, I have several weapons and have had weapons for decades, 50 years and more and never have had to shoot another person. I HAVE produced my weapons and taken control of a situation or two which were headed to violence if I had not, preventing crime.
I think all mentally stable adult citizens in good standing with Society should bear arms, yes Ma'am. That requires more mental preparation than physical thoi. Yes you would need to train and practice, sure. But the more difficult part, the Soul-wrenching part is the mental attitude of defending against Evil.
In your mind you must be POSITIVE of your actions and ability, your Right to defend your self and Family, your community and Society. If you have moral reservations against defending yourself then you should not have a weapon of any sort.
Your Husband is afraid of using the weapon - GOOD! We all are, but courage is doing what you must even as you fear doing it. Would he rather a different scenario play out?
I apologize ... but would he rather the kids see Evil people kill him, rape you and sell or abuse them afterwards? Would he rather submit to their demands and be left unable to provide for his Family, have the bad guys leave him a cripple and so cause you to suffer caring for him, AFTER you were horribly used...?
Would he be willing to use a baseball bat trying to defend against Evil? Would he rather all of you die rather than use force in defense of your lives?
Ask him such things, gently, cause him to ponder other things more than his fears, he should look larger around himself. It may be he does not embrace firearms ownership, but that YOU can. If he struggles with uncertainty he possibly should not have a rifle in his hands, but he can support you, if you have the strength, the mental aptitude, the moral certainty of defending yourself.
Let your Faith be stronger than your fears. KNOW that defending against Evil in protection of your Family is a moral thing.
If that concept doesn't satisfy him then you cannot force-feed him. But you can stand apart and as his equal partner and have your firearms, that can be arranged between y'all I would think. You have as much Voice as he, good luck.
I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but your husband is an idiot... Fortunately being an idiot about stuff like this isn't a permanent disease and can be remedied and even cured... but it's really going to take someone like one of us talking to him in person or over the phone or something like that to really be able to drive the point home that he absolutely needs to change his mind about that....
I would assume like most fathers his number one goal in life is to keep his family safe... Well...... He's failing to do so if he lives in a state that allows him to own a firearm for home protection and self-protection and chooses not to. I could show him 1000s of real examples of situations where if a family had had a firearm in the house there's a decent possibility they wouldn't have all been raped, tortured, and/or killed....
and if he's one of those people that thinks he can protect you all with a baseball bat or knife or stun gun or some bullshit like that, then there are also plenty of resources out there to prove to him that all that shit is almost useless against a violent criminal and a lot of the time can end up getting you even more hurt than if you had just tried to run away or some shit....
he really needs to spend a lot of time self reflecting on the statement that "I would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it"... the having it and not needing it is the easy part that never even crosses your mind, aside from just having the confidence of knowing you could potentially protect your family if you need it to, but I assure you when a father/husband is having to sit there and potentially watch his wife get tortured raped and killed in front of him and he certainly had a need for something like a firearm at the very beginning of the situation but since you didn't have one......
And don't you dare ever let him pull that ole it'll never happen to us bullshit... Yeaa... I'm sure that's exactly what every single victim of violence ever has thought.... Before it did happen to them.
I have to give nearly the same exact speech at least once a month in real life... it seems even down here in the Deep South, talking to other people who are born and raised down here, you'd be surprised just how many of them don't think they need a firearm to protect their family...
they're going to wake up one day when we can no longer legally own firearms anymore and really wish they had fucking paid more attention and fought harder for it with the rest of us while we still could...
Some people go around helping people and getting people registered to vote, well I go around helping people and getting people to buy guns and ammo
I don’t see him as an idiot. Not all people grew up with, or are familiar with weapons. His concerns in the age of coddle the criminal and arrest the working man are not without some validity. Especially with a corporate press that amplifies those points. So concern does not equal idiot. Even if the concern is no where near equal to dying. I would say he is simply wrong.
So yes, better to face 12 then sleep 6.
Thank you for that. Obviously, I don’t think he is an idiot, but I don’t think he is seeing the depth of our country’s current predicament either.
My dad had guns, but me being a girl, I was not allowed to learn about them. I‘ve forgiven that, but my husband has almost zero experience (was in the Swedish military, and shot skeet several times with our eldest, but that’s it.)
Both my daughters shoot lights out. On multiple platforms. Women are better shooters once they overcome any fear of the weapon. That is a simple fact. Tight groups from the go. You can always join a gun range that also sells and rents weapons. Find one that gives beginners classes. Ask for a female instructor if possible. Not necessary but a better fit for a female beginner. Do a private session if possible. Then rent a weapon, get some basics that will carry over for all weapons, and go from there. Take your husband to the 2nd lesson to watch. He will buy you a weapon before you leave
Not the only way, but a wise way.
THIS! Absolutely, THIS! All my girls (and wife) shoot and shoot very well. We have a local shooting school run by some friends. They teach a women’s “intro to firearms” class. We filled an entire class with family and friends. Ladies teach the class and John just oversees it and is around to help with questions. The women shoot all kinds of handguns from small revolvers to large and the same for semi-auto pistols. They get to hold, shoot, and familiarize themselves with them and can then make an educated decision on what kind of gun is right for them.
Go take a class. Buy a gun that fits you. Store it securely. Practice regularly.
You are sting enough to make this decision to protect yourself and your family.
Shotgun. Very safe and you can lock it easily in a closet. Take classes as a family and go shooting once in a while at a local range. Skeet is fun.
Field & Stream have Savage Arms 12 gauge tactical oldie $270 right now and Benneli models for $400. With more coming in stock next week.
You don’t need your husband’s permission to buy a firearm. Tell him you’re buying one and let him know he’s welcome to take a class with you on how to properly use it.
Unfortunately my state prohibits me from even handling a firearm (medical cannabis card). Plus, I honor my husband, and don’t want to make a big decision without his consent.
His main fear is that we use it in self defense and end up killing an invader, leading to prosecution. He is Swedish, which gives some context as to what I’m up against.
Praise the Lord but pass the ammo. You should have a means to protect yourself and your family. But that also comes with the responsibility to train how to use the weapon, train your children as well and teach and instill the respect the weapon deserves. And here in the country we teach our children how to use and respect weapons as soon as they can hold up the barrel of our .22 rifle. A weapon is not in your home to attack others, it is there to make sure they will not succeed attacking you.
My .02
I'm going to rip off the famous Spider-Man quote here but "with great power comes great responsibility". Gun ownership is something you don't want to advertise to the whole world if you decide to get one. If you're worried about your son playing with it, firmly teach him that guns arent toys. They will easily destroy whatever you are pointing them at in a matter of seconds. A lot of us responsible gun owners were taught by our fathers or grandfathers at an age much younger than 15 not to point a gun at anything you arent willing to destroy. Rule #1 on most gun ranges is to treat every firearm as though it's loaded. These are fundamental cornerstones of gun ownership that will keep your household safe from irresponsible gun handling. I can understand maybe not wanting your 15 year old to have his own weapon, but he is old enough to learn to shoot. If you are worried about him handling the weapon while you arent home, get a safe and put it in there. Everyone needs to be on the same page with gun safety. If they are, the environment of your home wont change at all. Simply bringing a gun into the home isnt going to attract violence to you. If you brag about it to the wrong people, maybe, but that's about it.
It is not that difficult to keep firearms secure. Guns in one locked place, ammo in another. Keys stored separately. Get creative where you store them, be very discreet.
I am sure they asshole breaking in will wait while you run around assembling your weapon.
Keep your weapon loaded and in a biometric safe by your bed if children not respecting it is your foncern. Respect and education works better with children though
I feel it is about risk assessment. Having lived in the same place very many years and having no break ins anywhere around us, we decided that the risk of kids (or visiting kids) getting into mischief with a loaded gun was higher then that of a thief (or worse) breaking in and this is how we addressed it.
Time out!
I don't have an answer to that as I don't remember a time when I didn't have a firearm. 1st BB Gun at 6, 1st 22 at 8. Maybe I'm skewed though as a farm kid you were expected to work your way up as quickly as possible to help protect yourself and family from animal predators. You had your normal things all would consider as a threat, bear, wolf, mountain lion, etc. and then animals that had gone rabid (and therefore crazy). All that to say, unless you worry that your children have some serious issues, I wouldn't have a problem starting the education for the 10 year old. But I suggest it was done like mine was. Start with a BB gun supervised, once you are confident that they are handling that proper and you would feel safe to trust them to be alone with it, then move to a 22 and onward. A 22 wouldn't do anything to a bear but make him really really mad so moving up in caliber to handle the more powerful guns was the aim for the farm kids, but always with safety and education and skill development guiding the way. And last thing to point out, I wasn't a special case in my area, most every kid I went to school with was brought up the same way. Our automobiles always had loads of firearms in them (since we were often heading straight from school to the fields after) and no one got shot, no one thought twice about it, that was just how it was. Guns aren't the problem, lack of education, lack of safety, lack of repect for the weapon, lack of supervision and character development are. Mind those and you'll be fine. Oh and... "ruin our lives..." since the option is to be dead, mamed, or traumatized for life... I don't see that as an issue.
Thank you for that, we do have an air soft rifle, which I think is the same as a BB gun. Maybe we should all start by practicing with that in the back yard (we are on 1.3 acres in an nyc suburb). If he sees that everyone can safely handle that, perhaps we can move up to a shotgun or other rifle. Many of his friends are currently arming their families, so it is not hopeless, I just need to be tactful in my persuasion.
I feel safe without them. I'm a 6'4 220 lbs former Marine who still works out.
I am even safer with guns. Even better, my family is much safer with guns in the house.
My wife and I are Grandparents, we've never owned guns (but are NRA members) because we didn't want guns in the house around our children and now Grandchildren and have always felt safe and protected by the police in the places that we've lived.
No longer. After watching the police stand down when threatened, we both realize that we are ultimately responsible for our and our family's safety. We're getting guns and taking safety courses. Interestingly, independent of us talking to them, our children also decided to protect themselves and are getting guns, along with a few other relatives. The riots and the upcoming elections have woken people up to the fact that leftists have embraced violence in order to achieve their objectives.
Safety is key of course, I sure hope you decide to exercise your rights.
That is mostly how we have felt, I think that 911 call in Fredericksburg that Tucker had on recently is starting to get to him.
Difficult thing to compromise on for each of you. Bear with me a moment, long way to go.
You mention Jesus coming back...Jesus reminded the Apostles to have a sword, mentioned they would need them after He left them, saying to sell their cloaks if need be to be sure they had one. Jesus didn't think they would wound or kill satan with the swords, the swords are to defend against Evil Men/Women, wildlife. They are to be used in defense of Humanity and God and morality and as protections against the workings of Evil. Our rifles are modern day swords, I take solace from that.
Our Constitution does require we bear arms as a deterrent against governmental tyranny - we are living through tyrannies now, desperately trying to avoid a most unCivil War as we do try to reestablish the Rule of Law. Our Constitution merely codifies much of God's Laws into Man's Laws, despite the indignation from the Enemy we very much are a Judeo-Christian nation. As you note the Enemy is destroying not just America here.
POTUS/'Q+' are our one last best chance to achieve that restoration of Law, a restoration of allegiance to God's Laws with a minimum of bloodshed, their Plan is working and we are probably roughly on schedule, as best as we understand schedules. But the Enemy will fight, is fighting, from plagues to wars to riots to using a nuke if they can, they will fight as we stand against them. So expect Society to devolve even further in the coming weeks and months.
Urban areas are not likely to be any safer in the near future, some cities are absolutely lawless now. The country is better, in many places we simply don't have issues at all, but at least half of our national population is exposed to mindless violences from the Enemy. The police will not respond to help many citizens, and in other areas the chinese flu lockdown has them handicapped too. Crime is way up all over, Hate and anger rules the streets in many places, at any moment you could turn a corner and run into Evil in the streets.
Parents have to consider their kids too, you and your Husband have to defend them, try to protect them, try to nurture/educate them. You must be able to provide stability in order to do that, living in fear is not stable.
No one wants to use their rifles, I have several weapons and have had weapons for decades, 50 years and more and never have had to shoot another person. I HAVE produced my weapons and taken control of a situation or two which were headed to violence if I had not, preventing crime.
I think all mentally stable adult citizens in good standing with Society should bear arms, yes Ma'am. That requires more mental preparation than physical thoi. Yes you would need to train and practice, sure. But the more difficult part, the Soul-wrenching part is the mental attitude of defending against Evil.
In your mind you must be POSITIVE of your actions and ability, your Right to defend your self and Family, your community and Society. If you have moral reservations against defending yourself then you should not have a weapon of any sort.
Your Husband is afraid of using the weapon - GOOD! We all are, but courage is doing what you must even as you fear doing it. Would he rather a different scenario play out? I apologize ... but would he rather the kids see Evil people kill him, rape you and sell or abuse them afterwards? Would he rather submit to their demands and be left unable to provide for his Family, have the bad guys leave him a cripple and so cause you to suffer caring for him, AFTER you were horribly used...?
Would he be willing to use a baseball bat trying to defend against Evil? Would he rather all of you die rather than use force in defense of your lives?
Ask him such things, gently, cause him to ponder other things more than his fears, he should look larger around himself. It may be he does not embrace firearms ownership, but that YOU can. If he struggles with uncertainty he possibly should not have a rifle in his hands, but he can support you, if you have the strength, the mental aptitude, the moral certainty of defending yourself.
Let your Faith be stronger than your fears. KNOW that defending against Evil in protection of your Family is a moral thing.
If that concept doesn't satisfy him then you cannot force-feed him. But you can stand apart and as his equal partner and have your firearms, that can be arranged between y'all I would think. You have as much Voice as he, good luck.
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Thank you for such a well thought out and heartfelt reply🙏 I wish I could give you a hug. I’m so grateful for this community!
You’re right about the Enemy, and you gave some good questions I can ask over the coming says. Hopefully God will work on my husbands heart as well.
I mean this in the most respectful way possible, but your husband is an idiot... Fortunately being an idiot about stuff like this isn't a permanent disease and can be remedied and even cured... but it's really going to take someone like one of us talking to him in person or over the phone or something like that to really be able to drive the point home that he absolutely needs to change his mind about that....
I would assume like most fathers his number one goal in life is to keep his family safe... Well...... He's failing to do so if he lives in a state that allows him to own a firearm for home protection and self-protection and chooses not to. I could show him 1000s of real examples of situations where if a family had had a firearm in the house there's a decent possibility they wouldn't have all been raped, tortured, and/or killed....
and if he's one of those people that thinks he can protect you all with a baseball bat or knife or stun gun or some bullshit like that, then there are also plenty of resources out there to prove to him that all that shit is almost useless against a violent criminal and a lot of the time can end up getting you even more hurt than if you had just tried to run away or some shit....
he really needs to spend a lot of time self reflecting on the statement that "I would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it"... the having it and not needing it is the easy part that never even crosses your mind, aside from just having the confidence of knowing you could potentially protect your family if you need it to, but I assure you when a father/husband is having to sit there and potentially watch his wife get tortured raped and killed in front of him and he certainly had a need for something like a firearm at the very beginning of the situation but since you didn't have one......
And don't you dare ever let him pull that ole it'll never happen to us bullshit... Yeaa... I'm sure that's exactly what every single victim of violence ever has thought.... Before it did happen to them.
Excellent reply pede.
Thank you.
I have to give nearly the same exact speech at least once a month in real life... it seems even down here in the Deep South, talking to other people who are born and raised down here, you'd be surprised just how many of them don't think they need a firearm to protect their family...
they're going to wake up one day when we can no longer legally own firearms anymore and really wish they had fucking paid more attention and fought harder for it with the rest of us while we still could...
Some people go around helping people and getting people registered to vote, well I go around helping people and getting people to buy guns and ammo
Stay strapped or get clapped.
If you want your children to be responsible with firearms, it is best to introduce them to safe practices at a young age.
Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6
Get guns and buy CCA insurance (or one of its competitors).