I disagree that she was always a leftist, as her age strongly favors the ‘life stages’ assumption of causality. Otherwise, it’s a pretty accurate situational ‘snapshot’ (if a bit negative in mentality)
At 21 her social media IS her identity. Although the media and twitter blue checks have huge influence on the college crowd, her fear of being cancelled and outcast is what bullied her to become woke. She could no longer have a positive opinion for common sense like Jordan Peterson, if you do that on twitter nowadays you’re a white supremacist.
Downthread, the submitter admits the girlfriend is a “Runway Model”.
Presumably trying to ‘making her way’ on her looks in a big modelin’ city like NYC, Chicago, or Miami... Subby is what’s known as ‘the boyfriend’ (that she left him behind in Smallville is implied in her conversations with other ‘industry’ people)... she is a whole other level of self-involved, vapid, and shallow that subby probably can’t even begin to fathom.
WELCOME TO MORDOR, HOBBIT!
Get a dog, preferably one of the aloof breeds, and spoil it rotten. You’ll get twice the humanity from it then you’ll ever get from xir princess-in-waiting.
The litmus test is to actually assert your expectations of the person. They were probably going to live up to them out of pure coincidence and not being a shitbag, but a leftist is allergic to expectations being "placed" on them and will sabotage them because they have a warped idea of freedom. It's the life stage of development so they are self-centered. Let them be "free" so they can figure it out the only way they can.
It’s like arguing about the value of great literature, but the subject of the discussion is 11 years old. The literature arguments are all true, but the kid is in a ‘horse stories’ or ‘science fiction’ stage of reading interest.
There’s some overlap at the margins, but you certainly can’t discuss the relative merits in a vacuum — the developmental life phase of the reader is the biggest factor.
Depends on the age a bit. If she is under 25, then she is probably salvageable. If she is between 25 and 30 she might be salvageable, but you need to ask yourself is this really worth the effort? Over 30, then this is totally a lost cause. Sorry.
Just take her to the most dangerous black neighborhood you can find and if she reacts with any nervousness call her a racist. I mean fuck I had "lefty" people tell me when I moved into a black neighborhood that I should be "careful". You know what? My neighbors were all great except a white couple who moved in next door and STOLE MY SHIT. Then I called the police and apparently they had been stealing from everyone. They don't really believe the shit they preach make her eat it.
Some other guy can. Not this guy (solely due to the nature of the relationship and her phase of life) — the more he tries the worse it’ll be for everyone.
If he dumps her, cuts off contact and ‘recreates’ himself with a new look, new job, new (alpha) personality, and uses the ‘French method’ to seduce her, sure.
But what will happen is that success in the endeavor will only make him realize he doesn’t want her anymore, and that he trashed his good (idyllic) memories for a hollow physical conquest, trading the youthful beautiful illusion for a cold unpleasant view of the reality, and possibly the debouching shame of disrespecting someone he once ‘truly loved’ for a manipulative cheap thrill.
Like you said, ‘no fucks given’ people do this all the time, but it doesn’t make them happy, and he doesn’t seem like that type of guy.
There is this thing where if you let off that you actually expect something from a leftist, you are guaranteed to not get it. The idea of expectations on them is akin to death. Most people play the silly game of keeping those expectations a secret, since they are easily lived up to on accident. To be assertive, is to end the relationship.
Lotsa women go through these life-phases; the leftist brainwashing makes it worse...
She needs to “let go” of her ‘teenage personality set’ and find herself a new identity. She’s in the early 20’s ‘Queen of the world’ stage (ending at mid-20s ‘crisis’). Her adoption of leftist ideas (and soon fashion, behaviors, etc.) reflects this.
You are forever associated with her ‘teenage personality’ and possibly ‘first real bf’ identity, and mentally she HAS TO reject you along with the ‘old’. If leftism doesn’t take over, there might be some other cowboy who can pull her back out of that self-destruct cycle, as she adopts his interests and worldview.
But it won’t be you.
You had a good year, and hopefully you were good to each other. But the more you stick around the more she’ll resent and hate you, and she won’t even know why — so she’ll externalize a reason against you, and the leftist anti-male brigade will hand her the terminology. Don’t let that happen. Instead, let the relationship forever be filled with positive memories. Each last relationship prepares you to be better for the next one.
This is the painful yet most truthful answer here patriotexpat.
Please understand this has already turned unsalvageable with so much damage to the core trust and respect relationship foundations AND YOU as to be worthless in the end.
This is real for men and women. Lots of men also go through a phase in their early 20s where they have an over-inflated ego. I was one of them. The quarter-life crisis hits hard, but it can be such a rebirth afterwards.
People need to be careful about riding through a quarter life crisis with someone else. It will get messy, painful, etc. The best way to meet them on the other side is to build yourself independently, and reassess whether you even want to be together after you become matured adults.
I was a very tolerant person i was dating a trans woman, she called me racist and a extremist. Just didn't understand why I got unbelievably angry and defended my character to her instead of laying down to her words. Kick that bitch to the curb they do not like you and think you are less than human
I agree! Most women/men are on their best behavior from day 1 until 6 months to 12 months into a relationship. After 12 months the TRUE person comes out!
Best girl I ever met went off to college and got brainwashed onto the Democrat plantation. She was super hot, an athlete, had read all of Ayn Rand by age 17, used to engage in open minded philosophical discourse, etc. What you've said is true and you're not alone.
It's more like $1000,000, because it's not about "that" per se. What else she'll be brainwashed into in those next 10 years, the prospect is terrifying.
Take it from me, I made the mistake of dating somebody like that, but I was invested in it for six years, not just one. If they're THAT vulnerable to going down that path, it's just not worth the effort to pull them from it once they get too far in. People change, and it sucks. But it's not worth it to tank your own mental health, sanity, and values to try to fix her. Don't worry that she has nobody to talk to. She'll either find people who reinforce her echo chamber, or she'll see you fucking off as a wake up call that that bullshit isn't attractive to a real man.
You'll naturally probably want to try to make things work despite the advice you're receiving in this thread. That's okay, sometimes you have to experience failure to understand. HOWEVER, whatever you do, don't compromise on your values and turn into a soy boy simp like I did. It's never worth it. Stay true to you.
Hi Pede, just wanted to offer a little bit of guidance.
Every man eventually realizes this, but many too late, women are only attracted to confidence and power. This does not mean cocky or abusive, this means self-assured, inner power, strength of mind, body, and soul. What do guys like? Blonde, big tits, fine ass, etc. What do women like? Confidence and Power. (being funny and fun-loving never hurt either!)
Be the man, naturally, speak decisively, say few words but mean them all. Do not argue with her, do not try to convince her, simply tell her. If she fights you or tries to break you down, then you must leave. If she respects this, she may be salvageable.
But like many said, this seems to be a long distance thing since you don't live in the same state. When doing long distance, the cardinal rule is NEVER talk about anything of importance, keep it all puppy dogs and ice cream. Too many confusions happen when distance is in the mix. She may be too far out of your sphere of influence at this point.
You seem to be a young man, take this advice, for it is a fact. You will only become more desirable to women as you age, so long as you always improve yourself, mentally and physically, and become confident and strong. Become a husband and father every woman wants, and you will have your choice of amazing and based women. You can take that to the bank.
The above advice is good, wise and true. A man needs honor and respect more than anything. Do not settle... if a girl does not respect what you say now she definitely wont when the years get tough (and they will). Remember that alot of leftist girls want to fall in the feminist ideology, which is sickening. Trust me- you are young and there are plenty of girls looking for a man who will lead them and love family.
Break up and do it now. You already explained the reason why you should. It will be hard, but there is no way she will ever revert from being impressionable.
Thank your lucky stars you’re not married or have children. No more sex! You can’t stick your dick in crazy. Think of this as dodging a bullet.
As a man, this is one of the hardest issues to deal with, but you have our support to do the right thing albeit the tough thing. You need to respect yourself and your integrity. Go out cold turkey, right now. You can do it nicely, but do it immediately.
you either break up with her or you care enough about her to spend a bunch of time getting up all of the research printed off that you need to be able to physically show her laid out on a table exactly why they are wrong....
but I can tell you right now man it's going to be an uphill battle if you've only been together for a year... It's going to put a huge strain on your relationship either way, so you better either give up now or start working your ass off to fix it immediately....
relationships are no fun when the people have two different political standings.. the only time that usually works is when they are much older and much more mature...
the biggest point to me personally is that all of these fucking idiots think they're smart enough to know all of this information but yet they're not smart enough to realize that you can't put today's understanding and belief of subjects onto people from hundreds of years ago.... I mean that's fucking common sense... Saying that times were different then is not just an excuse, it's a literal fucking fact...
in other words somebody who is considered extremely extremely progressive back then would be considered a fucking KKK Nazi now.. and I don't mean that in just the cancel culture sense, I mean that in the literal sense.. compared to our political standings now, a lot of them would be...
If by Lefty you mean he was in their midst but somehow figured out the people he actually admired were not the whiny losers that claimed to fight for the poor, but never actually hung out with them, but the self made business owners and pillars of his small community
He says he believes in God and that you can't be both a Marxist and a Christian , it is ridiculous and something that someone that wants to be "everything good" says
He has called out the idea of equity and goes on forever about the gulag archipelago
He is right leaning that is for sure, just not in the way his opponents lable him, but in the way we understand the right
They see Hitler on the right, even though both hilter and Mussolini claimed to be for the working man, even though Mussolini was a lefty journalist and Hitler was a failed art student, Hitler admits he based his stuff on Marx - left and right and is just their way of trying to be on the side of the allies, when in reality they are just on the side of the most murderous ideology: communism
I can’t speak to all of them, but Jordan Peterson has done a lot of good work. I don’t need everyone on my side if they are speaking truth. All truth is God's truth anyway.
I dont think jordan Peterson tried to swing anyone to one particular side. I think he tried to teach a generation of wondering souls with no purpose about taking accountability for your life (clean your room). He tried to warn about the extremes of the political spectrum. I think he generally wanted to help everyone regardless of political affiliation. He was on everyones side.
Female pede here. Can you really imagine a future with this person? Especially given that she will indoctrinate your kids with this crap. I have an acquaintance who is raising her young boy as "trans" even though he is only three, while her husband has absolutely no say in the matter. Think hard about the future of your relationship. And for the sake of your future children.
Short story of my experience. I met my wife in middle school. Started dating in high school. Got married right after college. We were both in our early 20’s at that time. Politics never really was a thing between us but in the last couple years as politics became more poignant she became further left and my conservative/religious upbringing became more staunch. Suffice it to say things didn’t work out and when she couldn’t change me, she left. If things aren’t working now, it’s not gonna get better later. Sorry man.
Get rid of her. She isn't the person you want in your life. Just make sure she cannot get to your things when you tell her, she will want to destroy them. Record everything, she will be hurt and falsely accuse you of things to get even. And even in months, or years she comes and says she wants to get back together that she is different, don't. Imagine all the foul things she will be doing with people you don't want to touch. I feel for ya.
Not sure if I believe this story, but if true, she had no intention whatsoever of voting Trump. If she was not voting Trump by February, she was never really on that side of the fence. You state you were an Obama voter, so figure out what made you change your thinking and follow through with that. If that doesn't work, either don't talk politics or break up.
I agree with others here.....run.
If she has been swayed this much in such a short amount of time, it speaks volumes of what you are dealing with.
I only wish ‘todays’ you could talk to ‘future’ you. ‘Future’ you would tell you to bail NOW.
MAKE UP an innocuous excuse ‘I need to work on me’ or something
DISCONTINUE ALL CONTACT - anything you say or do, no matter how innocent, will end up being used against you (possibly even in court, or something similar like ‘reporting you’ to your employer, ‘red-flagging’ you, poisoning your social circle, etc.). Don’t disparage her to others, just don’t talk about her at all. Obviously NO SEXUAL CONTACT.
Side note: Breaking off contact in this way will trigger her to seek you out and try to ‘seduce’ you back — DON’T, it will only restart the cycle at 2x the crazy/danger.
Enjoy the feeling of loss as a sign that you were true-hearted, until you stop thinking about her altogether in about 8 months or so (sooner if you meet someone new or pick up a hobby)
Enjoy your life, knowing you were only a few short weeks or months away from being retroactively accused of rape and/or “abuse” that would have cost you 15 grand in legal fees as she tells you ‘she did it because she was so worried about you and the darkness you have inside you blah blah)
GET OUT NOW, SHE’S GOING ON A 10 YEAR TOXIC EMOTIONAL JOURNEY AND THERE’S NO ROOM FOR YOU IN THE CLOWN CAR
None of this means she’s a bad person, or that you should hate her, it’s just REAL PRACTICAL ADVICE OF WHAT YOU SHOULD DO, based on life’s brutal truths
If you do not dump her you are hands down the dumbest man alive. The red flags are waving right in your face. Women aren’t everything. Most are batshit insane. Chances of divorce are very high in general..with a deranged leftist she will take you to the cleaners and you’ll end up offing yourself if you’re too weak. Sack up, dump her, move on. You don’t need another human to make you happy. Learn to be happy by yourself. 7 years since my last LTR and don’t think I’ll ever enter one again. Waste of time, money and energy. Go monk mode if you need to.
Been single for 4 years, when I look back at all of the girls I've thought about asking out or did and didn't work out, I breath a sigh of relief because I was too blinded to see them for what they were: Batshit!
Unless you meet a girl that is passionate
About saving this country, I would say don't even try to be friends. Be nice to female coworkers/peers and be friendly but do not take it further than that.
There is nothing in life more important and fulfilling than raising a solid family. It is better to be in monk mode than with a terrible person, but to get lazy and tell yourself monk mode is the ideal life is a big mistake which you will regret more and more as you age and it becomes an irreversible decision.
It's tough to watch people you care about being brainwashed and manipulated. It's like watching them be abused. I don't know what to tell you, but I think a lot of us are in the same boat with at least one person we love.
don't cuck to her whatever you do, no woman respects that. If you both can remain civilised then you can 'agree to disagree'.........plus if you don't try to influence her with your views , then when she tries to influence you calmly tell her 'if i don't do it you then please don't do it to me'.....................failing all that , fling her the fuck out ;)
Sadly, I recommend following some key thoughtful advice written in farther to the top threads...
The power of the propaganda combined with social media friendships pressure is massive currently, and is on top of the normal socio emotional development phases. And I write this as a woman who is liberal, so no dissing just observed reality.
Historical figures are complicated. Many may have advanced causes that helped the human race progress, but still had a foot in the backward ideals of their time. She needs to have the mental agility to recognize that.
Feel bad telling you this but band-aids and all. If she has done that much of a 180 she has already decided to take someone else's values.Probably another man but possibly her social group. You could pussy along and drag it out. I've done this and it's a self respect killer. I don't recommend it. If she's treating you this way she's working up to leaving but looking for the "it's your fault" excuse.
Speaking as an elder lady pede here. 21 year old women are mostly idiots. I know I was one. They are generally more concerned with what other women think of them than their own self esteem. However I have found that young conservative women actually use their brains and have self respect.
She drank the kool aid and is now poisoned fruit. There are tons of lovely conservative young women out there looking for a good conservative man.
You can't spend your life arguing over politics with someone. You can't raise your children in a divided home. You must have the same values to have a successful marriage and family.
And stop dipping your wick in a girl that has polar opposite thoughts and values than you. This is how you get baby trapped.
Cut your losses and move on to a nice girl with good values a strong upbringing that shares your love of our country.
The ONLY way I'd suggest to keep working on it is if her family, mostly her father, is not that way. Even if Pops isn't a republican, its ok if he's not a psycho leftie. If Dad isn't around, you can't fix this.
She started college huh? Or took one of the "studies" classes I bet. Same thing happened to my girl only I dated her for 3 years. Just make it seem like it's not her fault you're leaving and dip set. There's nothing worse than a literal crazy vindictive ex
If you are planning on sticking with her, you need a good strategy to bring her to the Right. The first thing you need to understand is that debating a Leftist is almost always a waste of time. They have a few go-to rhetorical tricks to derail, deflect, dismiss, and otherwise avoid responding to your points. In fact, your main job will be keeping her from using them.
There are two major rhetorical tricks that must be addressed BEFORE the dicussion. The first is goalpost moving. That's where they add caveats whenever you "score" in the debate, which allows them to claim you didnt actual score.
The second is whataboutism. That's where they use worse or better situations as a justification for their ideas.
If she cant use the tricks, you are much more likely to avoid talking in circles. Set ground rules for places, people, and ideas that count as a legitimate information source BEFORE you start giving evidence via new articles. You want to block her from saying "That is a Fox article, so it doesnt count!" right off the bat. If you tell her that she gets to pick the credible news outlets herself, you prove you are giving her the benefit of the doubt.
To combat whataboutism, you need her to agree to focus on the specific situation while calling other situations irrelevant to the current one.
You want to make them face the facts without letting them eject out of the topic. You also want to apply her beliefs to other similar situations and see if they still make sense. Something like the 2A/Covid mask meme about wearing a facemask just in case.
Other people mentioned facts and information, so I figured strategy and persuasion might be helpful, too.
This. I don’t understand how people can honestly try to hold people from centuries ago to standards today, it’s insane. Do they think 99.9999% of people from history would’ve tolerated trannies for example? I’d say the vast majority would’ve killed them. Does this mean basically everyone ever was evil? No obviously not. At least not more evil than every human has the capability to be.
This is without even considering what is more evil than killing babies? Which they have absolutely no problem with. They are seriously so delusional to think that at no point in the future we might look back and ask what the fuck were we doing allowing that?
What’s your future? It’s not like you’ve been married 10 years and have 2-3 minor children you’re raising. I don’t mean to question you’re feelings for her, but take a step back and be honest with yourself about a future with someone that thinks like her.
Take it a step further and think about why someone thinking like she does is an issue. Is it simply because she thinks differently than you about some things and you just can’t handle it? I HIGHLY doubt that is the case as pedes aren’t that fragile. The underlying issue with her thoughts being what they are is that she’s a step away, or even there right now, where she loathes herself. No one wants to be with someone that hates themself, has low self-confidence and will perpetually fail in life because they feel that’s what they deserve.
TL;DR she wasnt brainwashed; shes always been a radical leftist
You are not going to like what im about to tell you:
Cull the weak-minded people in your life.
You deserve someone, for whom, has a strong mind, will and persona that isnt easily swayed by bullshit.
You fell for a lemming in a herd of epsilons; it happens.
GET OUT NOW.
ask her if we should destroy the pyramids... it usually ends it for the weak-minded people i test.
not to pry. but it sounds to me, just from your words. that she became a chameleon to beguile you.
and now that she is ingratiated into your life. shes revealed herself.
your 'i had no idea ...'
tells me, she needs you, more than you need her
strong-willed people with forged personalities dont flip-flop. they concede to logic.
you are in bed with a snake.
This is the best answer imo
I disagree that she was always a leftist, as her age strongly favors the ‘life stages’ assumption of causality. Otherwise, it’s a pretty accurate situational ‘snapshot’ (if a bit negative in mentality)
Agree.
At 21 her social media IS her identity. Although the media and twitter blue checks have huge influence on the college crowd, her fear of being cancelled and outcast is what bullied her to become woke. She could no longer have a positive opinion for common sense like Jordan Peterson, if you do that on twitter nowadays you’re a white supremacist.
Social media bullied his girlfriend is my opinion
Nah, she was raised by social media, this is a whole new creature.
Downthread, the submitter admits the girlfriend is a “Runway Model”.
Presumably trying to ‘making her way’ on her looks in a big modelin’ city like NYC, Chicago, or Miami... Subby is what’s known as ‘the boyfriend’ (that she left him behind in Smallville is implied in her conversations with other ‘industry’ people)... she is a whole other level of self-involved, vapid, and shallow that subby probably can’t even begin to fathom.
WELCOME TO MORDOR, HOBBIT!
Get a dog, preferably one of the aloof breeds, and spoil it rotten. You’ll get twice the humanity from it then you’ll ever get from xir princess-in-waiting.
The litmus test is to actually assert your expectations of the person. They were probably going to live up to them out of pure coincidence and not being a shitbag, but a leftist is allergic to expectations being "placed" on them and will sabotage them because they have a warped idea of freedom. It's the life stage of development so they are self-centered. Let them be "free" so they can figure it out the only way they can.
It’s like arguing about the value of great literature, but the subject of the discussion is 11 years old. The literature arguments are all true, but the kid is in a ‘horse stories’ or ‘science fiction’ stage of reading interest.
There’s some overlap at the margins, but you certainly can’t discuss the relative merits in a vacuum — the developmental life phase of the reader is the biggest factor.
Depends on the age a bit. If she is under 25, then she is probably salvageable. If she is between 25 and 30 she might be salvageable, but you need to ask yourself is this really worth the effort? Over 30, then this is totally a lost cause. Sorry.
She's 21.
Salvageable still?
Lots of 21 year old women out there. Dump her and move on.
Just take her to the most dangerous black neighborhood you can find and if she reacts with any nervousness call her a racist. I mean fuck I had "lefty" people tell me when I moved into a black neighborhood that I should be "careful". You know what? My neighbors were all great except a white couple who moved in next door and STOLE MY SHIT. Then I called the police and apparently they had been stealing from everyone. They don't really believe the shit they preach make her eat it.
Some other guy can. Not this guy (solely due to the nature of the relationship and her phase of life) — the more he tries the worse it’ll be for everyone.
If he dumps her, cuts off contact and ‘recreates’ himself with a new look, new job, new (alpha) personality, and uses the ‘French method’ to seduce her, sure.
But what will happen is that success in the endeavor will only make him realize he doesn’t want her anymore, and that he trashed his good (idyllic) memories for a hollow physical conquest, trading the youthful beautiful illusion for a cold unpleasant view of the reality, and possibly the debouching shame of disrespecting someone he once ‘truly loved’ for a manipulative cheap thrill.
Like you said, ‘no fucks given’ people do this all the time, but it doesn’t make them happy, and he doesn’t seem like that type of guy.
There is this thing where if you let off that you actually expect something from a leftist, you are guaranteed to not get it. The idea of expectations on them is akin to death. Most people play the silly game of keeping those expectations a secret, since they are easily lived up to on accident. To be assertive, is to end the relationship.
Agreed. Someone starting fresh has more leverage than someone she is already in a relationship with.
No. Not for you. Sorry, kid.
Lotsa women go through these life-phases; the leftist brainwashing makes it worse...
She needs to “let go” of her ‘teenage personality set’ and find herself a new identity. She’s in the early 20’s ‘Queen of the world’ stage (ending at mid-20s ‘crisis’). Her adoption of leftist ideas (and soon fashion, behaviors, etc.) reflects this.
You are forever associated with her ‘teenage personality’ and possibly ‘first real bf’ identity, and mentally she HAS TO reject you along with the ‘old’. If leftism doesn’t take over, there might be some other cowboy who can pull her back out of that self-destruct cycle, as she adopts his interests and worldview.
But it won’t be you.
You had a good year, and hopefully you were good to each other. But the more you stick around the more she’ll resent and hate you, and she won’t even know why — so she’ll externalize a reason against you, and the leftist anti-male brigade will hand her the terminology. Don’t let that happen. Instead, let the relationship forever be filled with positive memories. Each last relationship prepares you to be better for the next one.
Hold on tightly — let go lightly.
This is the painful yet most truthful answer here patriotexpat.
Please understand this has already turned unsalvageable with so much damage to the core trust and respect relationship foundations AND YOU as to be worthless in the end.
I am sorry.
This is real for men and women. Lots of men also go through a phase in their early 20s where they have an over-inflated ego. I was one of them. The quarter-life crisis hits hard, but it can be such a rebirth afterwards.
People need to be careful about riding through a quarter life crisis with someone else. It will get messy, painful, etc. The best way to meet them on the other side is to build yourself independently, and reassess whether you even want to be together after you become matured adults.
i cook wonderful meals for myself, cus i love food. sous vide. smoked this and that.
i have not yet, met a woman, even at the age of 30, that cooks well, even for herself.
and yes, there are a plethora of blogs of great female cooks, cooking for their families...
but not the single spinster, who just eats mac n cheese and wine and cookies.
theres a whole 20 year span of women that found all these basic necessities in life, as demeaning.
and now here we are. this young pede finding out theres just a sea of venomous snakes
men are not without blame, but i look at the list of chefs with 3-michelin stars...
its no contest.
Don't forget the cat quantity variable...
I was a very tolerant person i was dating a trans woman, she called me racist and a extremist. Just didn't understand why I got unbelievably angry and defended my character to her instead of laying down to her words. Kick that bitch to the curb they do not like you and think you are less than human
I agree! Most women/men are on their best behavior from day 1 until 6 months to 12 months into a relationship. After 12 months the TRUE person comes out!
i tell many young pedes today, that if your partner of choice doesnt know what they
want at 22, and are not on any distinct path. they sure af wont know after theyve wasted
their time and yours, by 30
this whole generation has the entire globes knowledge at their finger tips...
came in to say this.
1000% UPDOOT!
This happened to me.
She went off to UC Berkeley and the kind, beautiful and thoughtful young woman she was went off the rails.
Six years in, shopping for rings...making plans...all gone.
Your girl is already gone, you just don't know it yet.
Suck it up, move along...ignore the heartache.
Best girl I ever met went off to college and got brainwashed onto the Democrat plantation. She was super hot, an athlete, had read all of Ayn Rand by age 17, used to engage in open minded philosophical discourse, etc. What you've said is true and you're not alone.
The snake spoke to Eve for a reason
if someone thinks going to berkeley is a good idea, they were probably already lost.
Ask yourself if you really want to do that forever.
I hate to say it but wasting 1 year is better than wasting 10.
Might want to cut your losses and bail.
Just my $0.02
It's more like $1000,000, because it's not about "that" per se. What else she'll be brainwashed into in those next 10 years, the prospect is terrifying.
All her friends abandoned her for not being woke enough.
When I dump her, she'll have literally nobody to talk to except her family.
Not your problem
Take it from me, I made the mistake of dating somebody like that, but I was invested in it for six years, not just one. If they're THAT vulnerable to going down that path, it's just not worth the effort to pull them from it once they get too far in. People change, and it sucks. But it's not worth it to tank your own mental health, sanity, and values to try to fix her. Don't worry that she has nobody to talk to. She'll either find people who reinforce her echo chamber, or she'll see you fucking off as a wake up call that that bullshit isn't attractive to a real man.
You'll naturally probably want to try to make things work despite the advice you're receiving in this thread. That's okay, sometimes you have to experience failure to understand. HOWEVER, whatever you do, don't compromise on your values and turn into a soy boy simp like I did. It's never worth it. Stay true to you.
Hi Pede, just wanted to offer a little bit of guidance.
Every man eventually realizes this, but many too late, women are only attracted to confidence and power. This does not mean cocky or abusive, this means self-assured, inner power, strength of mind, body, and soul. What do guys like? Blonde, big tits, fine ass, etc. What do women like? Confidence and Power. (being funny and fun-loving never hurt either!)
Be the man, naturally, speak decisively, say few words but mean them all. Do not argue with her, do not try to convince her, simply tell her. If she fights you or tries to break you down, then you must leave. If she respects this, she may be salvageable.
But like many said, this seems to be a long distance thing since you don't live in the same state. When doing long distance, the cardinal rule is NEVER talk about anything of importance, keep it all puppy dogs and ice cream. Too many confusions happen when distance is in the mix. She may be too far out of your sphere of influence at this point.
You seem to be a young man, take this advice, for it is a fact. You will only become more desirable to women as you age, so long as you always improve yourself, mentally and physically, and become confident and strong. Become a husband and father every woman wants, and you will have your choice of amazing and based women. You can take that to the bank.
The above advice is good, wise and true. A man needs honor and respect more than anything. Do not settle... if a girl does not respect what you say now she definitely wont when the years get tough (and they will). Remember that alot of leftist girls want to fall in the feminist ideology, which is sickening. Trust me- you are young and there are plenty of girls looking for a man who will lead them and love family.
Maybe then try to find new friends together? Even if in the end you go apart it would be good for her.
Leave her. She probably wants you to watch her take a black dick now anyway
Best answer, life moves fast. Don't get stuck with crazy with kids involved.
This is true. One day he'll look back on his life with his beautiful wife and children, and realize it was all for the best.
RUN. Run FAST.
Don't look back.
Love is not enough.
Break up and do it now. You already explained the reason why you should. It will be hard, but there is no way she will ever revert from being impressionable.
Thank your lucky stars you’re not married or have children. No more sex! You can’t stick your dick in crazy. Think of this as dodging a bullet.
As a man, this is one of the hardest issues to deal with, but you have our support to do the right thing albeit the tough thing. You need to respect yourself and your integrity. Go out cold turkey, right now. You can do it nicely, but do it immediately.
Young love. It’s a special kind because it’s so fragile.
You have to enjoy it like a summer snowflake or a butterfly landing in your hand... as soon as you try to hold it forever it’s ruined...
As a middle aged dude, this is so true.
It doesn't last forever. Poor kids don't realize that. It's part of life and growing up.
P.S. - If you wrote that, that's poetry, man.
Superb advice
you either break up with her or you care enough about her to spend a bunch of time getting up all of the research printed off that you need to be able to physically show her laid out on a table exactly why they are wrong....
but I can tell you right now man it's going to be an uphill battle if you've only been together for a year... It's going to put a huge strain on your relationship either way, so you better either give up now or start working your ass off to fix it immediately....
relationships are no fun when the people have two different political standings.. the only time that usually works is when they are much older and much more mature...
the biggest point to me personally is that all of these fucking idiots think they're smart enough to know all of this information but yet they're not smart enough to realize that you can't put today's understanding and belief of subjects onto people from hundreds of years ago.... I mean that's fucking common sense... Saying that times were different then is not just an excuse, it's a literal fucking fact...
in other words somebody who is considered extremely extremely progressive back then would be considered a fucking KKK Nazi now.. and I don't mean that in just the cancel culture sense, I mean that in the literal sense.. compared to our political standings now, a lot of them would be...
Dick, Crazy, non-assembly is advised.
Jordan Peterson has always claimed to be a lefty he was just labeled by the insane side as a right wing extremist.
Well, I'm a liberal too!
Is why I vote Trump...
He's the liberal candidate. The people to the left of Trump are crazies.
I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me.
liberal and left wing aren't the same thing.
If by Lefty you mean he was in their midst but somehow figured out the people he actually admired were not the whiny losers that claimed to fight for the poor, but never actually hung out with them, but the self made business owners and pillars of his small community
He says he believes in God and that you can't be both a Marxist and a Christian , it is ridiculous and something that someone that wants to be "everything good" says He has called out the idea of equity and goes on forever about the gulag archipelago
He is right leaning that is for sure, just not in the way his opponents lable him, but in the way we understand the right
They see Hitler on the right, even though both hilter and Mussolini claimed to be for the working man, even though Mussolini was a lefty journalist and Hitler was a failed art student, Hitler admits he based his stuff on Marx - left and right and is just their way of trying to be on the side of the allies, when in reality they are just on the side of the most murderous ideology: communism
I can’t speak to all of them, but Jordan Peterson has done a lot of good work. I don’t need everyone on my side if they are speaking truth. All truth is God's truth anyway.
The truth is paramount. Political support is irrelevant if the truth is muddled.
Peterson is definitely against Marxism, communism, and intersectionality.
I dont think jordan Peterson tried to swing anyone to one particular side. I think he tried to teach a generation of wondering souls with no purpose about taking accountability for your life (clean your room). He tried to warn about the extremes of the political spectrum. I think he generally wanted to help everyone regardless of political affiliation. He was on everyones side.
Female pede here. Can you really imagine a future with this person? Especially given that she will indoctrinate your kids with this crap. I have an acquaintance who is raising her young boy as "trans" even though he is only three, while her husband has absolutely no say in the matter. Think hard about the future of your relationship. And for the sake of your future children.
If my wife tried that shit I'd kill her...in minecraft.
Short story of my experience. I met my wife in middle school. Started dating in high school. Got married right after college. We were both in our early 20’s at that time. Politics never really was a thing between us but in the last couple years as politics became more poignant she became further left and my conservative/religious upbringing became more staunch. Suffice it to say things didn’t work out and when she couldn’t change me, she left. If things aren’t working now, it’s not gonna get better later. Sorry man.
"Don't stick your dick in crazy" is actually really sound advice.
Get rid of her. She isn't the person you want in your life. Just make sure she cannot get to your things when you tell her, she will want to destroy them. Record everything, she will be hurt and falsely accuse you of things to get even. And even in months, or years she comes and says she wants to get back together that she is different, don't. Imagine all the foul things she will be doing with people you don't want to touch. I feel for ya.
Absolutely. Do not fail to have a plan. Cuts down on the chance things get too ugly.
She went from "maybe I'll vote for Trump" back in February, to this insane shit she's become right now.
4 months to a full transformation.
Not sure if I believe this story, but if true, she had no intention whatsoever of voting Trump. If she was not voting Trump by February, she was never really on that side of the fence. You state you were an Obama voter, so figure out what made you change your thinking and follow through with that. If that doesn't work, either don't talk politics or break up.
Stop, drop and Run! Cut your losses!
I agree with others here.....run. If she has been swayed this much in such a short amount of time, it speaks volumes of what you are dealing with. I only wish ‘todays’ you could talk to ‘future’ you. ‘Future’ you would tell you to bail NOW.
Cut bait NOW, ‘pede.
MAKE UP an innocuous excuse ‘I need to work on me’ or something
DISCONTINUE ALL CONTACT - anything you say or do, no matter how innocent, will end up being used against you (possibly even in court, or something similar like ‘reporting you’ to your employer, ‘red-flagging’ you, poisoning your social circle, etc.). Don’t disparage her to others, just don’t talk about her at all. Obviously NO SEXUAL CONTACT.
Side note: Breaking off contact in this way will trigger her to seek you out and try to ‘seduce’ you back — DON’T, it will only restart the cycle at 2x the crazy/danger.
Enjoy the feeling of loss as a sign that you were true-hearted, until you stop thinking about her altogether in about 8 months or so (sooner if you meet someone new or pick up a hobby)
Enjoy your life, knowing you were only a few short weeks or months away from being retroactively accused of rape and/or “abuse” that would have cost you 15 grand in legal fees as she tells you ‘she did it because she was so worried about you and the darkness you have inside you blah blah)
GET OUT NOW, SHE’S GOING ON A 10 YEAR TOXIC EMOTIONAL JOURNEY AND THERE’S NO ROOM FOR YOU IN THE CLOWN CAR
None of this means she’s a bad person, or that you should hate her, it’s just REAL PRACTICAL ADVICE OF WHAT YOU SHOULD DO, based on life’s brutal truths
OP please listen to this man!
She thinks the guy who freed the slaves was evil? Is she retarded?
If you do not dump her you are hands down the dumbest man alive. The red flags are waving right in your face. Women aren’t everything. Most are batshit insane. Chances of divorce are very high in general..with a deranged leftist she will take you to the cleaners and you’ll end up offing yourself if you’re too weak. Sack up, dump her, move on. You don’t need another human to make you happy. Learn to be happy by yourself. 7 years since my last LTR and don’t think I’ll ever enter one again. Waste of time, money and energy. Go monk mode if you need to.
Monk mode is best mode.
Been single for 4 years, when I look back at all of the girls I've thought about asking out or did and didn't work out, I breath a sigh of relief because I was too blinded to see them for what they were: Batshit!
Unless you meet a girl that is passionate About saving this country, I would say don't even try to be friends. Be nice to female coworkers/peers and be friendly but do not take it further than that.
There is nothing in life more important and fulfilling than raising a solid family. It is better to be in monk mode than with a terrible person, but to get lazy and tell yourself monk mode is the ideal life is a big mistake which you will regret more and more as you age and it becomes an irreversible decision.
It's tough to watch people you care about being brainwashed and manipulated. It's like watching them be abused. I don't know what to tell you, but I think a lot of us are in the same boat with at least one person we love.
don't cuck to her whatever you do, no woman respects that. If you both can remain civilised then you can 'agree to disagree'.........plus if you don't try to influence her with your views , then when she tries to influence you calmly tell her 'if i don't do it you then please don't do it to me'.....................failing all that , fling her the fuck out ;)
I’m in the same positition gf thinks it’s ok to tear down statues blacks are Oppressed feminism all the 9 yards
Sadly, I recommend following some key thoughtful advice written in farther to the top threads...
The power of the propaganda combined with social media friendships pressure is massive currently, and is on top of the normal socio emotional development phases. And I write this as a woman who is liberal, so no dissing just observed reality.
I am sorry.
Historical figures are complicated. Many may have advanced causes that helped the human race progress, but still had a foot in the backward ideals of their time. She needs to have the mental agility to recognize that.
Feel bad telling you this but band-aids and all. If she has done that much of a 180 she has already decided to take someone else's values.Probably another man but possibly her social group. You could pussy along and drag it out. I've done this and it's a self respect killer. I don't recommend it. If she's treating you this way she's working up to leaving but looking for the "it's your fault" excuse.
Sounds about right.
Your love seems to be lust. That feeling comes and goes.
Real love has no conditions.
Real love faces reality.
Your life is too short to waste it on some idiot who would sell herself to leftism.
Move on.
Find Jesus.
Speaking as an elder lady pede here. 21 year old women are mostly idiots. I know I was one. They are generally more concerned with what other women think of them than their own self esteem. However I have found that young conservative women actually use their brains and have self respect.
She drank the kool aid and is now poisoned fruit. There are tons of lovely conservative young women out there looking for a good conservative man.
You can't spend your life arguing over politics with someone. You can't raise your children in a divided home. You must have the same values to have a successful marriage and family.
And stop dipping your wick in a girl that has polar opposite thoughts and values than you. This is how you get baby trapped.
Cut your losses and move on to a nice girl with good values a strong upbringing that shares your love of our country.
Don't stick your wick in crazy, man.
The ONLY way I'd suggest to keep working on it is if her family, mostly her father, is not that way. Even if Pops isn't a republican, its ok if he's not a psycho leftie. If Dad isn't around, you can't fix this.
She started college huh? Or took one of the "studies" classes I bet. Same thing happened to my girl only I dated her for 3 years. Just make it seem like it's not her fault you're leaving and dip set. There's nothing worse than a literal crazy vindictive ex
You're not married. Cut bait. Let her have 35 baby daddies
It's easy dude. Dump her and move on.
A painful lesson: love is not enough. You need to be compatible as well. It will be a hard breakup but delaying the inevitable only makes it worse
I got you. Let me get home and I'll help you out.
If you are planning on sticking with her, you need a good strategy to bring her to the Right. The first thing you need to understand is that debating a Leftist is almost always a waste of time. They have a few go-to rhetorical tricks to derail, deflect, dismiss, and otherwise avoid responding to your points. In fact, your main job will be keeping her from using them.
There are two major rhetorical tricks that must be addressed BEFORE the dicussion. The first is goalpost moving. That's where they add caveats whenever you "score" in the debate, which allows them to claim you didnt actual score.
The second is whataboutism. That's where they use worse or better situations as a justification for their ideas.
If she cant use the tricks, you are much more likely to avoid talking in circles. Set ground rules for places, people, and ideas that count as a legitimate information source BEFORE you start giving evidence via new articles. You want to block her from saying "That is a Fox article, so it doesnt count!" right off the bat. If you tell her that she gets to pick the credible news outlets herself, you prove you are giving her the benefit of the doubt.
To combat whataboutism, you need her to agree to focus on the specific situation while calling other situations irrelevant to the current one.
You want to make them face the facts without letting them eject out of the topic. You also want to apply her beliefs to other similar situations and see if they still make sense. Something like the 2A/Covid mask meme about wearing a facemask just in case.
Other people mentioned facts and information, so I figured strategy and persuasion might be helpful, too.
Good luck!!
Sorry, lost cause, RUN!
This. I don’t understand how people can honestly try to hold people from centuries ago to standards today, it’s insane. Do they think 99.9999% of people from history would’ve tolerated trannies for example? I’d say the vast majority would’ve killed them. Does this mean basically everyone ever was evil? No obviously not. At least not more evil than every human has the capability to be.
This is without even considering what is more evil than killing babies? Which they have absolutely no problem with. They are seriously so delusional to think that at no point in the future we might look back and ask what the fuck were we doing allowing that?
Leave her. Seriously. Leave her, cut ties early enough and find a better more patriotic girl.
I think I'm just gonna fuck off to Poland.
The house is on fire. What to do?
I really like the moldings and the kitchen cabinets are so roomy tho! Should I stay?
Get one last good fuck, and dump her sorry ass.
What’s your future? It’s not like you’ve been married 10 years and have 2-3 minor children you’re raising. I don’t mean to question you’re feelings for her, but take a step back and be honest with yourself about a future with someone that thinks like her.
Take it a step further and think about why someone thinking like she does is an issue. Is it simply because she thinks differently than you about some things and you just can’t handle it? I HIGHLY doubt that is the case as pedes aren’t that fragile. The underlying issue with her thoughts being what they are is that she’s a step away, or even there right now, where she loathes herself. No one wants to be with someone that hates themself, has low self-confidence and will perpetually fail in life because they feel that’s what they deserve.
Dump her