I mentioned to my black friend I may have an Independence day party. She said fuck 4th of July so I told her fuck you. Proceeds to tell me a black man doesn’t have freedom, America and white people are racist, stole the land from Indians among other irrelevant or straight up bullshit including gaslighting about juneteenth. Says history should be rewritten. Had to say I’m not being friends with someone racist against me. Have to stand up for America before anything. It seems like fake news is wrapping up the child exploitation and corruption with the idea of America (and Trump) and has to be replaced with communism. Anyway I’m happy to have fellow pedes to communicate with on here, so thank you.
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What's a good rebuttal when they say white people stole the Indian's land?
Indians were people that came from Asia and fought each other for 1000s of years and lost and won land yearly.
A few settled down to form 'villages' but they were nomadic overall.
Another group of people from west of Asia came over and settled down in a massive continent and fights broke out.
One side lost as it had been happening for 1000s of years.
Stolen land my ass.
Maybe that they live in that stolen land too ?
The Indians were a double-crossing, genocidal people who fucked themselves, over and over, out of goodwill peace agreements.
(1) What’s stolen about it? Got a police report? Title deed?
(2) Where did the Indians come by it? Don’t try “born here” because that’s me.
(3) what does anyone alive today have to do with any of it?
(4) Got a big stone Hybachi for heart sacrifices to the sun god?
(5) If Indians prefer living in tents and riding horses, nothing is stopping them. They could probably even get a contract with the Discovery channel to do a show about it.
(6) Shall we compete for land the way the Indians did before Europeans arrived? Or right, we already did.
(7) What they really mean then is not that they want to do something different, but that they don’t want others here, and think cutting off the tops of people’s heads is a valid way of expressing that.
(8) OK. You first. Also, what’s stopping you from going back to Poland or Italy or Nigeria or whatever?
(9) I mean, since your ideal is a racially pure ethnostate. Hmm, is that kind of Nazi?
People are historically dumb and have zero awareness of what populations back then looked like. In 1730, the total population of the colonies was 655,000. Places like Boston and New York had populations like 13,000 and 8,500.
Think about that. We have individual cities with larger populations than the total number of colonists in America back then.
America is massive. You didn’t have to steal land because there was plenty of unsettled wilderness. Many colonists died just trying to establish settlements.
So what makes it “their land”? Are they talking about a particular tribe, or just Indians? Because remember, they were killing each other over land before the colonists arrived. It was largely wilderness though, so I’m not sure where ownership comes into play.
Some questions I’d ask: How much of the land was theirs? Did they own the whole continent? What gives them ownership exactly?