Maybe you misunderstood my statement, because I don't disagree with anything you just said. 100% true.
The cop was also out of line. He has an unusually lengthy history of complaints against him and had questionable ties to Floyd, and it was at minimum an excessive use of force. I doubt he meant to induce the heart attack, because he probably didn't know what the guy was on, but he was using unnecessary force. The guy had been restrained already and was not an active threat. This can be true without invalidating that Floyd was also a junkie and violent felon who needed to be legally removed from society for a lengthy amount of time.
Hmm... I'm pretty sure it was the drugs that induced the heart attack, not the officer. He was on his way out when he panicked and swallowed the remainder of his drugs.
True, we don't actually know how to divide the responsibility for his death. Opinions, yes that's fair game, but we don't know for sure. Responsibility for taking drugs is cut and dry. Did he die from uncomplicated overdose? Did he panic and ingest a massive overdose? I've seen the picture of him dropping a baggie, but nothing to indicate consuming. Was the heart attack triggered by that or the use of force? Was the cop enough out of line with his use of force that some blame lies on him? All fair questions that there is uncertainty on. I really hope the cop gets a fair trial (very unlikely) to deep-dive the evidence and make a legal decision, rather than a kangaroo court or lynching by Black Supremacists.
If he was found dead in the street, they would test his blood and it would be an overdose. The amount found in his blood was lethal, meaning without the cops, this probably would have happened. Without the drugs, however, he'd still be alive. It's as simple as that.
Imagine a fair trial for the cops involved. Change of venue? Where? State charges, and the rest of MN is pretty damn white--not that it should matter but the prosecution will argue that it does. Impartial? would you vote to acquit given your only hope of a long life is in witness protection which probably wouldn't be an option. Will evidence of excited delirium be allowed even though it undoubtedly is a contributing factor. Body cam footage has not yet been released, will it be public given it probably shows St. George resisting?
I am not a smart person but I cannot see how any of the officers involved have much of a chance of a fair trial. I don't think the majority of Americans are interested to know that what they see and believe may not be the whole truth, so even if they by some miracle get a fair trial it may not mean much beyond the spark that ignites, at best, another round of fires and looting.
Gotta be careful with those "history of complaints" claims. If you're a cop working in a hostile neighborhood, people will file complaints about you just because they hate cops, not because you did anything wrong. Not saying the cop is definitely innocent here, but we also can't say he's guilty based on "complaints".
Floyd and Chauvin did work for the same employer, but it's unclear what their personal relationship was. I've had co-workers who I'd see everyday but didn't have any other interaction other than saying hi.
Why was the cop out of line? Floyd allegedly had been violently resisting arrest for many minutes.They finally get him down, and they need to wait for the paramedics they already called. The best thing at that point WITH THE INFORMATION THEY HAD would be to keep him pinned.
Maybe you misunderstood my statement, because I don't disagree with anything you just said. 100% true.
The cop was also out of line. He has an unusually lengthy history of complaints against him and had questionable ties to Floyd, and it was at minimum an excessive use of force. I doubt he meant to induce the heart attack, because he probably didn't know what the guy was on, but he was using unnecessary force. The guy had been restrained already and was not an active threat. This can be true without invalidating that Floyd was also a junkie and violent felon who needed to be legally removed from society for a lengthy amount of time.
Hmm... I'm pretty sure it was the drugs that induced the heart attack, not the officer. He was on his way out when he panicked and swallowed the remainder of his drugs.
True, we don't actually know how to divide the responsibility for his death. Opinions, yes that's fair game, but we don't know for sure. Responsibility for taking drugs is cut and dry. Did he die from uncomplicated overdose? Did he panic and ingest a massive overdose? I've seen the picture of him dropping a baggie, but nothing to indicate consuming. Was the heart attack triggered by that or the use of force? Was the cop enough out of line with his use of force that some blame lies on him? All fair questions that there is uncertainty on. I really hope the cop gets a fair trial (very unlikely) to deep-dive the evidence and make a legal decision, rather than a kangaroo court or lynching by Black Supremacists.
If he was found dead in the street, they would test his blood and it would be an overdose. The amount found in his blood was lethal, meaning without the cops, this probably would have happened. Without the drugs, however, he'd still be alive. It's as simple as that.
Imagine a fair trial for the cops involved. Change of venue? Where? State charges, and the rest of MN is pretty damn white--not that it should matter but the prosecution will argue that it does. Impartial? would you vote to acquit given your only hope of a long life is in witness protection which probably wouldn't be an option. Will evidence of excited delirium be allowed even though it undoubtedly is a contributing factor. Body cam footage has not yet been released, will it be public given it probably shows St. George resisting?
I am not a smart person but I cannot see how any of the officers involved have much of a chance of a fair trial. I don't think the majority of Americans are interested to know that what they see and believe may not be the whole truth, so even if they by some miracle get a fair trial it may not mean much beyond the spark that ignites, at best, another round of fires and looting.
Gotta be careful with those "history of complaints" claims. If you're a cop working in a hostile neighborhood, people will file complaints about you just because they hate cops, not because you did anything wrong. Not saying the cop is definitely innocent here, but we also can't say he's guilty based on "complaints".
Floyd and Chauvin did work for the same employer, but it's unclear what their personal relationship was. I've had co-workers who I'd see everyday but didn't have any other interaction other than saying hi.
Why was the cop out of line? Floyd allegedly had been violently resisting arrest for many minutes.They finally get him down, and they need to wait for the paramedics they already called. The best thing at that point WITH THE INFORMATION THEY HAD would be to keep him pinned.