They were not 'peaceful protesters' long before that point, they may have never been 'peaceful protesters'.
'Peaceful protest' requires a permit, requires that the permit parameters are obeyed, requires that everyone comports themselves in a PEACEFUL manner. A place is designated, and if you want amplified sound that usually has to be permitted, if you want to march that has to be permitted, separately, with planning for street closures and detours. The whole idea behind 'peaceful protest', or as it is deemed at times 'speech', is that your protest must not incorporate damages to society and business.
That's the thing, these terrorists do NOT obtain permits, do not arrange detours to keep the public safe, do not remain in the areas permitted. They are not peaceful or protesters, they are rioters and terrorists, thugs and criminals, each one and as a herd too. A conspiracy really, crime syndicate because they do plan and produce these crimes, conspiracy/RICO.
Even if that was a public street they would still be terrorists because they had no permits, no permits equals no peaceful intent or purpose, so riot.
The police will not intervene and restore the Rule of Law, if we want Law we are going to have to remake it, we are going to have to respect reality and enforce it in real time, expecting no help but only hindrance from government.
Or the mob wins, they may have already destroyed America in fact, we're going down to third world faster than Venezuela did.
The permits aren't there to allow free speech, dingus, they're there to serve as notification to the government that the protest is going to happen so law enforcement can be prepared. If you just show up without telling the cops what you're doing and without the community knowing that it's going to be taking place, you end up with a riot. That's what the permits are there to prevent.
If you don’t need permission then you don’t need a permit.
A permit is a permission slip.
No permits for speech. No permits for public assembly, unless you’re trying to interfere with something like traffic or business. No permits for guns. No permits for voting. No permits for legal representation. No permits to vote. No permits for due process. No permits for religion. No permits for FREEDOM.
You're not understanding the reality of Protest, it seems.
When you wish to rally or Assemble, if you do that on private property then you need no permissions from anyone.
If you wish to do that on public property then you must do it Peacefully, which means you do not infringe upon Society, do not cause hurt to Society, do not restrict businesses or interfere in the normal doings of Society.
If you do wish to have that peaceful protest, exercise public Speech as it were, then yes, you do have to arrange to do that so as to NOT be a burden upon the public.
So you arrange a public space, pay fees and sometimes establish escrow or a bond for insurances against damages and police protections and clean up, all the usual things.
You need to permit a sound amplifier too because it may be that also disturbs Society.
Then if you wish to March you obviously cannot block roads peacefully unless you arrange detours and pay for signage and sometimes/usually police to direct traffic.
If you do not obtain permits then you ARE accosting Society. Blocking sidewalks or streets is criminal, it does real damages, it is not 'peaceful', it is criminal.
You seem to be willfully in refusal of Law, the Rule of Law.
Civil disobedience is not 'Speech', peaceful protest IS considered speech IF it is peaceful. You would blur those lines, exactly as the Enemy does.
Yes, I have a license for my Speech, always, because I do it properly. Sometimes I arrange to utilize my Speech in a manner not requiring assembly, thus no permit required. If a BLM terrorist wishes to stand on the corner alone with his sign he is welcome, no permit needed, he may utilize his Speech. If he gathers with 50 others and no permit, it is riot, terrorism, criminal.
These things used to be taught in public school, civics and government classes, duties and responsibilities of Citizens and Society, restrictions of government and Rights of People.
I guess too many people simply don't understand or want Rule of Law.
Yeah, you need a permit to be a legal peaceful protest on public property.
Excuse me? A permit is not necessary for what...?
To assemble in numbers on public property as an 'event' it is necessary in most places where we have Rule of Law. To block a road it is necessary, to amplify sound it is necessary.
If 2 people want to hang on a corner with signs it is not necessary, three or more people usually is the trigger point.
These things used to be taught in our schools, our Society is becoming less aware of reality, further removed from common sense and the Rule of Law daily.
Yeah, permits are definitely required for 'peaceful protest'; all else is riot.
Generally a permit is not required for small groups or for people responding to breaking events. The right to peaceably assemble and protest (petition the government for redress) is enshrined in our Constitution, and like all such rights thus has had a huge set of laws created around it. But there are a lot of challenges to those laws. The general principle is that the government can only barely limit it.
Of course, what BLM is doing is rioting and looting, not protesting - which is not a protected activity.
And in this case, these people broke into private property, so it's also obviously not legitimate protest.
Hate to tell you but most places do require those permits even for small groups.
Sanctuary city cops and other agencies who refuse to follow Law may well show favoritism to a group but that isn't kosher/legal, it is simply corrupt government at work.
Responding to events is not a thing, such a notion has no effect on the Law. Any agency which says you can march without permits because Floyd died or the team lost a title game is corrupt.
Nice thing about the Law is it is finite, until agendas show up with lawyers.
YEAH, sure we have the right to assemble, but interrupting Society does require permits, every time. Rent a hall for your speech, use your mama's basement for speech, use your boyfriend's cow pasture, no permit required. But use our public property or block roads, thus disrupting Society and placing the public in danger, always requires permits. Permits cover the costs of damages and supplying police, detouring traffic, protecting business...they prevent riots.
But assembling in public sans permits is riot/terrorism, it is not speech, peaceful or lawful.
Cops who allow it are corrupted, mayors who encourage it are corrupted, governors who refuse to send in the Guard are corrupt,evil cowards.
Run/rantoff/exe.
The concept of 'peaceful protest' seems to be very difficult for people to understand, for some reason logic and common sense and Law has become difficult. I'd like to suggest everyone get a copy of the Federalist Papers, read them.
Seriously, the couple are a pair of rich Democrat lawyers. They only need to make a couple of discreet phone calls, and Ms. Kimberly Gardner (the DA) will quietly STFU and sweep her little statement under the rug as soon as nobody's looking.
That they tore open first. They're trespassers and vandals, with intent to commit grand larceny and possibly battery or murder.
Fuck this attorney. Missouri is a castle doctrine state.
Although, wait a minute. Did y'all see the pictures of this guy's house? He's a lawyer whose practice bought him a fucking palace, so clearly he's a good one.
You know what? Bring it on, Miss Circuit Attorney. This guy is going to end up owning half the state when he's done with you.
"Hi... yeah, about your race to take the Governorship for your party... it seems we were about to make a substantial donation to the Democrat party, but we've run into some issues that will require our funds to go elsewhere, and will likely have to suspend any donations for awhile..."
They’re attempting to squash any resistance and create fear for those brave enough to resist. We need to start publicly organizing against this behavior. The left is very good at quickly amassing. We need to start amassing ourselves or we will watch our rights be stripped before our eyes.
2 lawyers, obviously good ones to live in that place. I’m sure well connected. I think they probably knew how far they could go when they broke out the guns.
except that they need training on how to better handle their weapons
Only the woman, imo. She had pretty poor trigger discipline and could have accidentally popped one off, but dude had his finger fully off the trigger.
Yes, he was pointing the weapon at the crowd but there's no way I'd want to risk having enough time to raise my rifle and aim if 5-6 people all suddenly charged at once. They were close enough to be an actual threat.
This letter sounds like placating to the left. If they were going to do something, they would. The DA is probably putting pressure on law enforcement to present a case and being told, "we don't see a brandishing violation here."
The woman definitely did but my guess was that was either her carry that she has in her purse but never really uses or a spare that the guy gave her before they went outside. She needed to keep her finger off the trigger and aim to send the message or have both hands in proper position but have the gun pointed towards the ground so she wouldn’t risk needlessly firing at someone.
I felt the guy did it okay. He wasn’t there to kill, he was there to scare them away. If he actually started aiming things may have escalated to a point where protesters felt the need to retaliate - regardless of whether or not he actually intended to fire.
It wasn’t their property. They smashed a community gate. You cannot defend common property even if it’s private without express permission from the association or management organization.
Doesn’t matter unless you’re the security guard. It’s not the home owners’ street so they cannot legally point guns at people who are trespassing on it. This is a good thing, btw. Imagine you invite a Black friend over and he’s on the street and your neighbor pulls a gun on him.
I saw the same name as the male posted as donating to actblue. That’s the only thing I’ve seen but would love to hear that was wrong. Where did you find they donated Trump?
Edit:
It appears he is one of us. Saw the fec receipts linked elsewhere. They are gonna be attacked like no other. 😕
Incorrect title. They're going to "investigate it".
We already know what the police investigation has.
This will go over as well, maybe less so, then that of New Mexico case.
In fact if I were the lawyer couple I would begin lawsuits against major publications and potentially the city if they push this further and continue to release information that puts their lives in jeopardy, which is what has just happened.
If it makes you feel better the person doing is a failure at her job. She has over 50 percent of the cases she has in limbo because she fucks up. She is currently having calls for investigation.
I mean what do we do? The press owns “public opinion”. I agree that we are getting picked off, but only local groups that are patriotic can really fight.
and just like that, your private property belongs to anyone who claims to be a protester.
Im gonna grab some friends and burglarize some rich homes in my neighborhood, as long as I bring a protest sign I'll be fine. Well, I mean a BLM protest sign, only leftist/marxist causes are covered by this.
I can’t wait. I only wish I could represent them so I could become a billionaire when I win against the city/state.
Also, it’s pretty apparent ol Kim doesn’t know castle doctrine very well. Nor does she seem to grasp use of force, or really even threatening. Because a threat would have to have occurred against a peaceful group, not an advancing horde onto private property.
The protesters were on the people's property. You could stand on the street all you want but once you enter a property you're gonna get shot in the fucking face.
This is my guess, they make a big deal about how they are going after them and virtue signal. Wait a little while and then drop the case because they doing have one.
Gardner is a racist cunt. She's just waiting for a cop to do something, anything really, just to make an example. This bitch needs to go. This city is going to hell in a hand basket and quick!
Private property is no longer private? When they passed through that gate, they were no longer peaceful protesters. They were trespassers.
I don't give a damn if they are Democrats. They were exercising their rights and they have my support.
That is a great idea. St. Louis is Open Carry. It could be interesting how they react.
The problem is we don't have time for that bullshit.. we are busy working and trying to Make America Great Again.
Do it on the weekend Einstein
A lot of Russians had too much real shit to do back when the Bolsheviks took over.
Gimme some address in California and I am there.
They were not 'peaceful protesters' long before that point, they may have never been 'peaceful protesters'.
'Peaceful protest' requires a permit, requires that the permit parameters are obeyed, requires that everyone comports themselves in a PEACEFUL manner. A place is designated, and if you want amplified sound that usually has to be permitted, if you want to march that has to be permitted, separately, with planning for street closures and detours. The whole idea behind 'peaceful protest', or as it is deemed at times 'speech', is that your protest must not incorporate damages to society and business.
That's the thing, these terrorists do NOT obtain permits, do not arrange detours to keep the public safe, do not remain in the areas permitted. They are not peaceful or protesters, they are rioters and terrorists, thugs and criminals, each one and as a herd too. A conspiracy really, crime syndicate because they do plan and produce these crimes, conspiracy/RICO.
Even if that was a public street they would still be terrorists because they had no permits, no permits equals no peaceful intent or purpose, so riot.
The police will not intervene and restore the Rule of Law, if we want Law we are going to have to remake it, we are going to have to respect reality and enforce it in real time, expecting no help but only hindrance from government.
Or the mob wins, they may have already destroyed America in fact, we're going down to third world faster than Venezuela did.
https://kekpe.pe/i/5efa322ecfa91.jpg
I hope those people are smart enough to file suit against the city before the DA "brandishes" charges.
I bet they don't, they are empathetic with BLM and the Enemy, not with America.
They have already been begging BLM to plz don't hurt them, they claim they were only holding guns because of the white agitators.
That property will be for sale soon, cheap if you're looking for a soon-to-be-haunted-mansion.
https://kekpe.pe/i/5efa61f2b205d.png
Lol “permit to protest”. Come one pede. That’s ridiculous.
Oi you got a loicense for that free speech??
The permits aren't there to allow free speech, dingus, they're there to serve as notification to the government that the protest is going to happen so law enforcement can be prepared. If you just show up without telling the cops what you're doing and without the community knowing that it's going to be taking place, you end up with a riot. That's what the permits are there to prevent.
If you don’t need permission then you don’t need a permit.
A permit is a permission slip.
No permits for speech. No permits for public assembly, unless you’re trying to interfere with something like traffic or business. No permits for guns. No permits for voting. No permits for legal representation. No permits to vote. No permits for due process. No permits for religion. No permits for FREEDOM.
First of all, Freedom isn't Free.
You're not understanding the reality of Protest, it seems. When you wish to rally or Assemble, if you do that on private property then you need no permissions from anyone. If you wish to do that on public property then you must do it Peacefully, which means you do not infringe upon Society, do not cause hurt to Society, do not restrict businesses or interfere in the normal doings of Society.
If you do wish to have that peaceful protest, exercise public Speech as it were, then yes, you do have to arrange to do that so as to NOT be a burden upon the public. So you arrange a public space, pay fees and sometimes establish escrow or a bond for insurances against damages and police protections and clean up, all the usual things.
You need to permit a sound amplifier too because it may be that also disturbs Society. Then if you wish to March you obviously cannot block roads peacefully unless you arrange detours and pay for signage and sometimes/usually police to direct traffic.
If you do not obtain permits then you ARE accosting Society. Blocking sidewalks or streets is criminal, it does real damages, it is not 'peaceful', it is criminal.
You seem to be willfully in refusal of Law, the Rule of Law.
Civil disobedience is not 'Speech', peaceful protest IS considered speech IF it is peaceful. You would blur those lines, exactly as the Enemy does.
Yes, I have a license for my Speech, always, because I do it properly. Sometimes I arrange to utilize my Speech in a manner not requiring assembly, thus no permit required. If a BLM terrorist wishes to stand on the corner alone with his sign he is welcome, no permit needed, he may utilize his Speech. If he gathers with 50 others and no permit, it is riot, terrorism, criminal.
These things used to be taught in public school, civics and government classes, duties and responsibilities of Citizens and Society, restrictions of government and Rights of People.
I guess too many people simply don't understand or want Rule of Law.
Yeah, you need a permit to be a legal peaceful protest on public property.
You're welcome.
https://kekpe.pe/i/5efa61f2b205d.png
A permit is not necessary.
Excuse me? A permit is not necessary for what...? To assemble in numbers on public property as an 'event' it is necessary in most places where we have Rule of Law. To block a road it is necessary, to amplify sound it is necessary.
If 2 people want to hang on a corner with signs it is not necessary, three or more people usually is the trigger point.
https://civilrights.findlaw.com/enforcing-your-civil-rights/protest-laws-by-state.html
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/protesters-rights/
These things used to be taught in our schools, our Society is becoming less aware of reality, further removed from common sense and the Rule of Law daily.
Yeah, permits are definitely required for 'peaceful protest'; all else is riot.
https://files.catbox.moe/zesg07.mp4
Generally a permit is not required for small groups or for people responding to breaking events. The right to peaceably assemble and protest (petition the government for redress) is enshrined in our Constitution, and like all such rights thus has had a huge set of laws created around it. But there are a lot of challenges to those laws. The general principle is that the government can only barely limit it.
Of course, what BLM is doing is rioting and looting, not protesting - which is not a protected activity.
And in this case, these people broke into private property, so it's also obviously not legitimate protest.
Hate to tell you but most places do require those permits even for small groups.
Sanctuary city cops and other agencies who refuse to follow Law may well show favoritism to a group but that isn't kosher/legal, it is simply corrupt government at work.
Responding to events is not a thing, such a notion has no effect on the Law. Any agency which says you can march without permits because Floyd died or the team lost a title game is corrupt.
Nice thing about the Law is it is finite, until agendas show up with lawyers.
YEAH, sure we have the right to assemble, but interrupting Society does require permits, every time. Rent a hall for your speech, use your mama's basement for speech, use your boyfriend's cow pasture, no permit required. But use our public property or block roads, thus disrupting Society and placing the public in danger, always requires permits. Permits cover the costs of damages and supplying police, detouring traffic, protecting business...they prevent riots.
But assembling in public sans permits is riot/terrorism, it is not speech, peaceful or lawful.
Cops who allow it are corrupted, mayors who encourage it are corrupted, governors who refuse to send in the Guard are corrupt,evil cowards.
Run/rantoff/exe.
The concept of 'peaceful protest' seems to be very difficult for people to understand, for some reason logic and common sense and Law has become difficult. I'd like to suggest everyone get a copy of the Federalist Papers, read them.
https://kekpe.pe/i/5efb7eec764be.jpg
This is incorrect. Do some additional research.
You do additional research, I already gave you different links explaining Law to you.
The moment your Right to Speech interferes with Society your Rights end.
https://kekpe.pe/i/5efc89173d70b.jpeg
They've already sworn allegiance to BLM. They are rich trial attorneys. I guarantee they are big Democrat donors. They won't be prosecuted.
Came to say that ^^
Seriously, the couple are a pair of rich Democrat lawyers. They only need to make a couple of discreet phone calls, and Ms. Kimberly Gardner (the DA) will quietly STFU and sweep her little statement under the rug as soon as nobody's looking.
Precisely.
Exactly..nothing will happen
That they tore open first. They're trespassers and vandals, with intent to commit grand larceny and possibly battery or murder.
Fuck this attorney. Missouri is a castle doctrine state.
Although, wait a minute. Did y'all see the pictures of this guy's house? He's a lawyer whose practice bought him a fucking palace, so clearly he's a good one.
You know what? Bring it on, Miss Circuit Attorney. This guy is going to end up owning half the state when he's done with you.
Good luck.
Nah - it'll end like this:
"Hi... yeah, about your race to take the Governorship for your party... it seems we were about to make a substantial donation to the Democrat party, but we've run into some issues that will require our funds to go elsewhere, and will likely have to suspend any donations for awhile..."
They’re attempting to squash any resistance and create fear for those brave enough to resist. We need to start publicly organizing against this behavior. The left is very good at quickly amassing. We need to start amassing ourselves or we will watch our rights be stripped before our eyes.
Need to amass on that attorneys lawn.
They have been setting this up through the D party and NGO's for years.
Republicans have been...... ? Doing nothing? Caving in to Democrats?
Working to pay the taxes that get stolen to pay the protestors
I meant elected officials as well as the power players in the party.
2 lawyers, obviously good ones to live in that place. I’m sure well connected. I think they probably knew how far they could go when they broke out the guns.
Only the woman, imo. She had pretty poor trigger discipline and could have accidentally popped one off, but dude had his finger fully off the trigger.
Yes, he was pointing the weapon at the crowd but there's no way I'd want to risk having enough time to raise my rifle and aim if 5-6 people all suddenly charged at once. They were close enough to be an actual threat.
This letter sounds like placating to the left. If they were going to do something, they would. The DA is probably putting pressure on law enforcement to present a case and being told, "we don't see a brandishing violation here."
The woman definitely did but my guess was that was either her carry that she has in her purse but never really uses or a spare that the guy gave her before they went outside. She needed to keep her finger off the trigger and aim to send the message or have both hands in proper position but have the gun pointed towards the ground so she wouldn’t risk needlessly firing at someone.
I felt the guy did it okay. He wasn’t there to kill, he was there to scare them away. If he actually started aiming things may have escalated to a point where protesters felt the need to retaliate - regardless of whether or not he actually intended to fire.
Clearly you missed the part where they tore down a gate. I’d meet you outside my house anytime you tore down my drive gate. 💯 legal.
Can have your gun out on your own property?
What about when someone's trespassing your property?
It wasn’t their property. They smashed a community gate. You cannot defend common property even if it’s private without express permission from the association or management organization.
The gate literally said "private street".
Doesn’t matter unless you’re the security guard. It’s not the home owners’ street so they cannot legally point guns at people who are trespassing on it. This is a good thing, btw. Imagine you invite a Black friend over and he’s on the street and your neighbor pulls a gun on him.
https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/17/white-man-points-ar-15-black-guys-arrested-virginia/
You’re wrong.
I see, thanks for the clarification
Kim Gardner is owned by Soros. https://archive.is/mWzrG
...and releases all arrested protesters without charges
Grandstanding. Total nonstarter. Private property trumps a lot of bullshit from the get-go. Sorry Gardner. Go trim a lawn.
This pede gets it. It’s grandstanding. Moral cowardice.
It reads like grandstanding or placating. They know they have no case and law enforcement would've made an arrest by now.
What's interesting about this is, if you can believe Twitter, they're both big time Dems who supported Black Lives Matter.
I saw the same name as the male posted as donating to actblue. That’s the only thing I’ve seen but would love to hear that was wrong. Where did you find they donated Trump? Edit: It appears he is one of us. Saw the fec receipts linked elsewhere. They are gonna be attacked like no other. 😕
Thanks for the info.
they will drop it once they realize they are generous Democrat donors.
More likely that they will bury these facts and paint them as alt-right.
Both, more to Democrats than Trump.
"Violent assualt?"
This just emboldens the rioters.
Incorrect title. They're going to "investigate it".
We already know what the police investigation has.
This will go over as well, maybe less so, then that of New Mexico case.
In fact if I were the lawyer couple I would begin lawsuits against major publications and potentially the city if they push this further and continue to release information that puts their lives in jeopardy, which is what has just happened.
If it makes you feel better the person doing is a failure at her job. She has over 50 percent of the cases she has in limbo because she fucks up. She is currently having calls for investigation.
It's only political. She is shit show.
It's a good thing the couple that defended themselves are attorneys. They're going to sue the shit out of the City of St. Louis.
Their mansion just got two stories taller.
Oh look the new “right to protest on private property” lets get it added to the bill of rights. Oh and take off that 3rd amendment, its in the way.
I mean what do we do? The press owns “public opinion”. I agree that we are getting picked off, but only local groups that are patriotic can really fight.
These clowns claim to be ever-so-concerned about "first amendment rights," but evidently pay little heed to the Second Amendment.
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and just like that, your private property belongs to anyone who claims to be a protester.
Im gonna grab some friends and burglarize some rich homes in my neighborhood, as long as I bring a protest sign I'll be fine. Well, I mean a BLM protest sign, only leftist/marxist causes are covered by this.
They were not peacefully protesting. This attorney needs to be removed immediately.
How is this dumb bitch still employed, nonetheless not in jail for falsifying evidence against then Governor Greitens?
That wasn’t suburbia. That was in the Central West End
Private property. Jesus Christ, these fucking retards.
The court does not prosecute! They should be slapped down like Flynn's judge!
If she does this she is going to make them celebrities to the cause.
Haha good luck cunt. That couple knows their rights and they have the money to fight this in court. Have fun trying to spark a race war.
A. They are both lawyers B. Castle Doctrine Law C. Criminals broke the gate to get in D. The home n land are historic preservation
It's all for show! They know they have no case!
This makes sense if you take a look at this broad:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=kimberly+m+gardner&form=HDRSC2&first=1&scenario=ImageBasicHover
Now we know why Soros threw money at local DA elections.
I can’t wait. I only wish I could represent them so I could become a billionaire when I win against the city/state.
Also, it’s pretty apparent ol Kim doesn’t know castle doctrine very well. Nor does she seem to grasp use of force, or really even threatening. Because a threat would have to have occurred against a peaceful group, not an advancing horde onto private property.
They are Demonrat voters. They are getting the society and government they deserve.
The protesters were on the people's property. You could stand on the street all you want but once you enter a property you're gonna get shot in the fucking face.
After investigation, I bet no charges filed.
Oh fuck off bitch. Those idiots are setting fire to cities. What did happen is they didn’t spray paint deface or do jack shit but kick his fence in.
I cant wait for these attorneys to go toe to toe with attorneys. Popcorn ready.
This is my guess, they make a big deal about how they are going after them and virtue signal. Wait a little while and then drop the case because they doing have one.
And now you know why Soros spent his money in the District Attorneys races.
correct me if I am wrong, but is the circuit court in the business of law enforcement?
🤡🌎
Holy shit.
Show of force by occupation meets show of force by superior fire power
Do it! I'd love to see this play out!
In a statement today, they said they still support BLM after that situation. Fuck ‘em, they get what they espouse.
Gardner is a racist cunt. She's just waiting for a cop to do something, anything really, just to make an example. This bitch needs to go. This city is going to hell in a hand basket and quick!
Reminder that idiots from St Louis released all of the rioters into the wild.
Is that couple actually Marty and Wendy Byrde in like, ten years?