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nowrongwrong 18 points ago +19 / -1

UPN was originally intended to the new home for Star Trek, which was the crown jewel in the Paramount vault. I think the network even launched with the pilot of the Voyager series.

Too bad Voyager was a huge wet fart because it pushed Rick Berman's faggy virtue signaling to new heights. It had already been growing like a cancer during his tenure at the end of TNG and throughout DS9 (tho I'm quite okay with Jazdia Dax and the first lesbian kiss landmark).

But making that dumb raspy-voiced bitch captain and then making a BLACK VULCAN of all things was absolutely retarded. Oh yes, let's not forget the Space Indian. And first woman engineer who was also a super warrior Klingon because women can do it all, don't you know. Let the white guys be underlings and comic relief.

Even bringing on Jeri Ryan and her huge tits couldn't save the show, and they made her suit so tight in an attempt to lure horny nerds to watch that the poor girl would actually pass out because she couldn't breath.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. One of the earliest examples of Get Woke, Go Broke.

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2Fangz 16 points ago +16 / -0

Jeri Ryan indirectly, but very clearly, gave us Obama. Her messy divorce ushered in then unknown Obama into the US senate and into national prominence.

His 2004 campaign for the Senate, against Barack Obama, received widespread media attention for the disclosure of sealed custody documents stemming from his divorce from actress Jeri Ryan. The unsealing of those documents, detailing allegations that Ryan had pressured his wife to perform sexual acts in public, led to Ryan's withdrawal from the campaign.[2]

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NeuroticIntrovert 9 points ago +9 / -0

i watched all of Voyager up into season 4.

To be fair, there were several episodes that were almost worth watching. None that made the cut, though.

Black Vulcan I don't mind. Chakotay was a generic Native American of no particular tribe... because they hired a native culture consultant who was a total fraud. Was Torres a super warrior Klingon? Above average, I suppose...

Anyhow, I think the Tuvix episode is a great example of why Voyager fails. The episode should have been about the moral choice of that situation. Instead, it's mostly about Tuvix as a person, and we have almost no discussion of the morality - Janeway just says "I have two lives to think about here", and that's that. There's some attempt at the drama of this innocent and unique person being murdered, but no real argument. BTW, she actually has three people to consider - Neelix, Tuvok, and Tuvix.

It's the same with the Borg alliance plot.

Borg: Janeway, we need you to help us develop a biological weapon, to help us do genocide on species 8472, in a war which we, the Borg, totally started.

Janeway: I don't know, I don't really trust you.

Borg: We'll promise you safe passage through our space, so that your crew of ~150 can get home ~10 years sooner.

Janeway: Genocide it is!

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zettapede 6 points ago +6 / -0

They forgot they were making a sci-fi and it simply became a weak drama set in space. In TNG you have a similar episode to Tuvix in the episode where Data's status as property is put to trial. They actually made compelling and emotionally moving arguments for both sides of the equation and you walk away from the episode a bigger person for having contemplated a new philosophical quandary that we might not have to face in our lifetimes. That's what sci-fi is supposed to do: force us to consider new ideas. You take that away and all you're left with is a shitty fucking space drama.

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MarxismKills 2 points ago +2 / -0

Oh yes, let's not forget the Space Indian.

Ahahahhaa oh man. I did forget about him. Ohhh Chakotay or however the fuck his name is spelled. I loved his weird indian space visions, as if north american indians were a spacefaring people. Bonkers.