Hey guys, I voted Trump in 2016. To make it quick, I fell in love with that Yang guy and although my opinion on UBI remains my own, I'm voting Trump in 2020. The left is showing its true colors and red pills are flying. The slow smothering of free speech has become a desperate strangle. I know you guys will fight for anyone right to speak so here I am to help fight for yours. God speed gentlemen. I hope you have meme magic for round two.
Edit: For old times sake, I disavow Yang and him selling out to CNN. TRUMP 2020 bb
Edit: Just wanted to Thank you all again. It was nice to say I support the President of the United States of America and not be deleted. Very cool website you got brewing here.
This coat's been waiting for you
I actually never officially got a coat, I was lurking on T_D since it had 12,000 subscribers. 'Can't stump the Trump' and ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ TAKE MY HIGH ENERGY DONALD ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ days.
Fits nicely. Thanks.
We need videos like those to start coming back. God knows we have enough content and I’m sure plenty of capable video editors.
How long does it take to learn adobe and make a quality video?
I love you people so much :D lol
Sad but true.
UBI is a sellout too, it's stealth socialism.
What is "stealth" about it?
Kek
UBI will be needed in the future. Big corporations aren't going to roll over and die, they'll get bigger and control more of the wealth. UBI is like the seed money that everyone gets to make something of themselves. Right now the welfare system rewards those who pretend to be poor or disabled or habe the most babies, UBI gives everyone a fair shot.
UBI is pushing equality of outcome. What America is based on is equality of opportunity. (Jordan Peterson has good videos about this topic). 79% of America’s millionaires inherited no money and built it themselves. Dave Ramsey and his people completed the largest study ever done of American millionaires (over 10,000) and how they got there. You don’t become wealthy through free or given money. Just look at the terrible record of people who win the lottery. Despite your misguided views on UBI, I still welcome you and offer you a coat!
Cool. While we have different opinions on UBI, it's the tolerance of it that makes this site great.
I don't know how someone could be in Yang's corner and switch to Trump.
I don't understand how you could vote for Trump in 2016, but not in 2020. That makes zero fucking sense.
Agreed. UBI is a pipe dream for loser commies. I welcome everyone to vote Trump, but people who say they liked Bernie or Yang are highly questionable.
I mean I don't think we should belittle him for not thinking 100 percent like the rest of us. Im glad he's back. We welcome everyone who sees the light even if its not ever wavelength of the spectrum. The reality is the left is so far left and center left is now considered center right.
Most people here don't agree 100% with everyone else. That's how ideas can evolve and get better. That's why plebitt sucks ass. I'm not a proponent of UBI, but my dad is... and his argument is that it needs to stem from the ending of the Fed. In this regard, the money is introduced to the country from the treasury without the underlying debt repayment to the fed. I still don't like it, but it makes way more sense that way.
Makes asset backed currency impossible tho, and without that we'll never have a free market again.
Wouldn't they be able to have both, but simply adjust the asset for inflation based on the amount of money introduced into the economy?
A free thinker is often deemed highly questionable.
Communists are the fucking opposite of free thinkers. It’s literally group think and political suicide.
Glad to have another voter, but if you think we aren’t going to shit on you for abandoning trump to go support a loser commie who loses then I’m afraid reality will sting a bit
I'm not new to the culture here so I expected criticism. I'm lucky people like you kept fighting so I could have a place to come back to. However, i am NOT a communist. I have never wanted to seize the means of production, I consider Modern Economic Theory abhorrent and Bernie can blow me.
I am a Capitalist. I beleive there are ideal UBI policies that are Pro-Family and Pro-Capitalism and Pro-Liberty. None of that however is currently on the menu. We have instead a battle for our Republic. So go ahead get your licks in, it won't change my mind any.
Thick skin, I like it. Welcome back, fag
UBI is so idiotic. Here's a much better idea - how about you give people a $2,000/mo tax credit. Benefits actual working class people and doesn't provide incentive for never-ending loser basement dwellers to leach off of mommy while you blow tax payer money on weed and dildos.
Much fucking better. Bingo. Spot on.
And sometimes you make a calculated risk assessment of those options.
Like we have. I am the single income earner in my home. My wife and I decided that, in a culture that demands we sacrifice raising our boys ourselves in exchange for two brand new vehicles and a house too large for our needs, she would stay home and we would make sacrifices. The other sacrifice is that I have to be completely on top of my game at all times in order to provide for them.
The whiny, narcissistic masses who demand EVERYONE ELSE pay for their laziness and lifestyle choices will not convince me otherwise. Get a job. Strive to be better. Make sacrifices if you need to, and be happy with those sacrifices. Don't force everyone else to support your choices.
Socialism is not the answer to the problems you presented.
I don't come from money. My dad started his career shoveling coal into a power plant furnace and fixing commercial kitchen equipment while he went to night school for his EE degree. My mom handmade clothes when she had to and scrubbed toilets part time to make ends meet. There goes that argument.
The problem we have with single parenthood can be solved in two ways. First, don't bang anyone you don't want to spend your life with. Easy way avoid a whoopsie scenario. Secondly, your social programs only enable the issue of non-accountability of actions. Welfare shouldn't be a business decision for those who want a government check, and alimony laws should be strictly enforced. They aren't because it's more politically advantageous to keep people on the government teet.
Lastly, we have plenty of programs already - which you named - for those who are truly desperate, sick, crippled, etc. UBI doesn't need to be added.
Socialists always use these ideal people examples to justify their theft.
In reality, every welfare program is abused. There are some people who genuinely need it, but there are 10 freeloaders for every legitimate claim.
It’s wonderful for people to pursue their passions, but there are so few who actually provide value. I bet you know several people who are content to sit at home and smoke weed all day. That would not change.
Get educated. Get a good job. You’ll find a way to pursue your passion if you really care about it.
It's not my responsibility to fund your pursuit of your passions.
They're ignorant, they just need education.
I supported Bernie in 2016 because I thought I didn't know enough about politics or the economy and just trusted him because he seemed the most moral. Trump was getting nonstop shit on in the media, and being accused of rape and all sorts of things, made me look at him with suspicion. Now it's been demonstrated time and time again it was all propaganda.
What a huge mistake I would've made. Thank you patriots for safe-guarding our democracy in your voting. I'm voting Trump 2020.
We have a safety net, unemployment and snap.
Yes but those suck and incentivise laziness. A universal system that replaces those beuracratic nightmares would be better. Instead of having a case worker policing and an snitching on your abilities it's better have additive system where you are not punished for working and being productive. Those working family's grow and build equity where lazy people will continue to do what the do already.
I mean it was more like I was a big Trump supporter then I became a big Yang supporter, considered Biden for 2 months then was like there is no way in hell.
What got me over it wasn't necessarily the ban, more like a full honest good faith look into of the hate group that is leftist ideology. Yang was different than that, he rose above the hate at least. If he were the head of that party things would chill. Now he's out and all that's left is hate. No pun intended.
How could you go from Trump to Yang and actually consider Biden? I mean, they're worlds apart? How did you go from Can't Stump the Trump videos to Yang's virtue signaling? Asking honestly.
Trump and Yang are hard to articulate intelligently cause I genuinely love both of them, and the only reason I knew I liked Yang as much as I did was that I felt the same way about discovering Trump. Biden was a good faith effort to look into to the Left and Ill I got was hate and a bad taste.
I am not a republican, I am not a right-winger, but right now you guys and Trump are the only things standing between the mob and a decent society. And I will stand with you to defend the Republic. So I better not be the only one here voting.
The only thing I think Trump is truly right-wing on is his pro military and pro life stance. He’s pretty center right in most things.
Yang is a complete fucking dud personality wise--
Good man. Personally I place no value on Yang at all. But we need to beat back the violent Leftists so we can keep arguing peacefully about other stuff.
Uhhhh, how about you go fuck yourself, lol!
A closet Democrat comes here To get internet points and says “I better not be the only one here voting”. You obviously don’t understand this place or trump supporters. The more you respond to people, the more full of shit you look.
Yang, Biden?! Haha, troll as nerd.
These guys are pissing me off trying to belittle you. Thanks for coming back. Yang was one of the better choices on the left which I believe is totally redeemable. Thanks for coming back man. We need every vote.
It makes absolutely zero sense to have voted for Trump and then switch to Yang and even consider Biden.
I'm an enigma.
Makes sense for a commie retard, but for normal people not really
The mind is malleable. The left may have appealed to him in some way we were not able to. Maybe he became indoctrinated and was actually smart enough to come back from the dark side. I love nothing more than when we are able to change someone's mind. Makes me feel like the ideological battle can be won and it isnt just a shot in the dark.
I didn't vote for Trump (voted Johnson) and liked Yang initially. He seemed more sensible than the other Leftist loons. UBI isn't anathema to conservatives. Once I learned Milton Friedman supported a negative income tax (similar to a UBI) I warmed up to it. If it was used to reduce the size of government by abolishing much of the programs and agencies like Friedman desired then most conservatives would also see its benefit.
The problem I wonder about is how our capitalist system can continue when nearly half the population isn't needed. I mean we've already established whose "essential" and not by way of this pandemic. ~20% of the population is unemployed and the economy is trucking along fine without them. As more jobs are automated and people lose out, the economy will need continued infusion of capital from the rich who it continues to consolidate towards. My preference is for deregulation to incentivize competition and Trump to bust up some of the major corporations but I wonder if it can keep pace to the speed automation eliminates jobs.
Your preference seems like plugging the holes on a damn that is about to break. We cannot "compete" against technology.
Just like you said we all know who is essential now, and they will be targeted for automation. People say once we have fusion and its star trek then we can have UBI, but they don't understand there are steps to post-scarcity. It doesn't happen all at once, how long are your fellow citizens going to be forced to compete against automation when its profitability is in the hundreds of billions and your value is just you and your bootstraps. It's not about ideology its about scale, logarithmic growth, and time.
The memes write themselves. The 2 lost/confused Yang supporters talking about plugging holes.
Lol, Made me smile...
I see UBI as part of the slow transition or part of the steps to get to post-scarcity. Jobs aren't going to all be automated away overnight or even in the next 20-50 years and to try to rush it will either result in blow back or destroy the system that gives us all the luxuries the capitalist system produces. The path to prosperity is through producing solutions and products that drive down the costs of goods and services. I think UBI can help keep the existing system moving long enough to make the transition.
I'm only half following as UBI sounds like one of those ideas that sound great (to some) and then gets justified to the moon, ultimately starting class wars.
Here are the two problems I see:
As people have more income, things cost more. When families earn two incomes, houses go way up in price. I can't prove this but nobody can. You just see it. So when we all have a $10,000 UBI, houses will cost about $9,000 more, I think. That is, adding a bias will raises prices by that bias.
The large government (the uniparty) will come up with so many exceptions for so many groups, (such as illegal immigrants and large urban voter blocks) that the whole thing will be a clusterfuck as always. And corporations will be allowed to keep the billions in profits somehow without paying in. This stuff never changes.
Better to just police the illegal practices, remove the regulations, and start stripping out the agencies, which is what I think Trump is doing.
It's the sane liberal Democrat side that no longer exists in the US unfortunately.
some people get lost in the sauce.
Automation I think too will be a big challenge in the future. But right now theres a bigger fight going on against censorship and socialism.
Just like it has in the past, right...
It's created the greatest wealth and freedom humanity has ever known, but soon, it will destroy us all. :)
Yes, automation has won every single battle it's fought against humans so far, the Luddites lose time and again
Automation has created more jobs than ever imaginable, provided goods at a lower costs, and created a quality of life that past generations would have considered fantasy. I welcome automation and am not afraid of it
More jobs are created than dealing directly with building and operating robots. Entire industries are created
If you're not afraid of it you're not paying attention.
Yes, things may be different from the past. Maybe I'm wrong and automation will allow us to specialise further and create new jobs, maybe not. Maybe too many jobs will be swallowed up leaving millions without a job.
It's already happening. I just know Trump has the best head for it when it comes. Preemptive action would be nice though.
You should see what Naval Ravikant says about automation taking jobs. Its pretty interesting. He talks about it on a Joe Rogan podcat.
Link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHim7CMOZ6U
David Autor has a great TED talk too
Leading economist on futurism.
TL;DR - Automation isn't taking jobs faster than they're being replaced
Automation is a short-term problem. The jobs that displaces will quickly be recovered with the new jobs. The main struggle with automation is finding jobs for those that it displaces in the short-term. Pretty much everything else about automation is positive for society
I hope you're right. Really do. After lockdown, having a job, something to do it becomes really apparent how it effects your mental health.
Jobs not mobs.
well you should be super happy, we already got a lil preveiw of yangs america with those checks.. best of both worlds
well, if you had to jump ship at that time, Yang definitely was not the worst option
welcome home
An income in exchange for nothing is a recipe for destruction, and it’s a communists dream. It will never be needed here, and never be wanted by me.
Hop aboard the TrumpTrain though, we need all the support we can get
Luck, in almost every case, has little to do with it. Even in poverty, we live like we’re rich when compared to poor people from recent generations. We already have multiple existing government safety nets
Those safety nets have exploded to $1.2 trillion per year.
It is easily exploitable.
Immigration reform, less regulations on business, and cutting taxes are a far better solution than redistributing money in the form of welfare.
Not all UBI is created equally. There are types the communists hate. Milton Friedman was for a version of UBI in a negative income tax. Done correctly it is pro-family and pro-capitalism, in the wrong hands it is the death of our country so I understand your reservations.
Can you give me a linky link on this? I am curious about it. Please and thank you :)
This is Milton explaining his idea. This was a popular idea with Republicans in the past and almost passed under Nixon but the Democrats blocked it because it wasn't high enough. Can't make that up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtpgkX588nM
I mentioned a negstuve income tax in a liberal app, and they told me it's racist to minorities. Since apparently minorities don't work.
I think the Fair Tax is a better option. It’s a consumption tax with a ‘UBI’ for basic necessities. I believe it was HR22 back in the day. Look it up
I'm basically with you and in the same boat. Look, differences aside, criticisms aside, This election isn't BIDEN VS TRUMP. IT'S AMERICA VS MARX. Pure and simple.
We have you coat and bricks where you left them pede
I thought Yang was just a meme like Boogaloo Boys.
He was. Yang gang was 3 gay dudes.
Welcome back, commie. Get rid of your communism
"I'm a huge cuck and will sell out my country for some funny money!"
Ho.
Lee.
Shit.
Found the guy who voted Trump in '16 and ALMOST changed his mind for '20. You, sir, must be the billions of people who are changing their vote in 2020 that CNN keeps talking about.
I get why the idea of ubi makes sense in the face of eventual maximum automation. Big issues approaching quickly, but I currently think ubi is too vulnerable to basic human mismanagement and corruption. Idk what the better solution is, but we always muck through big shifts in industrialization, never perfectly.
dude who hasn't been tempted by that side chick
honesty, courage, fidelity, and patriotism are the only loves who will fulfill you. pain is temporary. the gains are forever.
we all have each other!
Freethinkers are what we need.
You take the blue pill by lying to yourself.
UBI is communism. I hope you can realize that. The appeal of Communism is that it gets idealistic people to support tyranny. People think "great, we'll all work together instead of competing against each other and we'll get more accomplished!" In reality you'll be forced at gunpoint to pay your taxes, but protected classes (i.e. not you) will continue to receive UBI from your labor.
Even when you bring in the mentally ill, handicapped, elderly, etc. it doesn't make sense because you can't take care of an ever increasing amount of dead weight.
I've been around people discussing how they'd break their leg to get lifetime disability from the government. These people exist, and we incentivize their growth by things like UBI, while punishing those that we need the most to survive.
Hopefully you're not the guy on his knees that Yang was spraying whip cream in his mouth
You are the ONLY person I have heard of who voted for Trump in 2016 but then considered getting off of the MAGA Train. I guess there has to be 1 in every crowd.
I never "hated" Yang but, I simply don't understand the love....
While we're on old-skool 2016 vibes...
P I Z Z A G A T E
IS
REAL
I'm not buying it. If you voted for GEOTUS, why would you sell out to support a communist like Andrew Yang? Who could convince an American Patriot - a descendant of the very people who forged our nation out of a wilderness - that communism and a UBI fits within the purview of American Constitutional Liberty?
Because you are clearly not ideologically grounded in pro-American politics or rational and moral economics, I don't see how your support could amount to more than that of a summer soldier and I estimate your re-appearance in our camp is temporary at best. You will likely run off with the next fashionable Marxist who comes along offering free money for sitting on your ass.
I particularly remember when Andrew Yang billed himself as "an Asian who likes math" while jesting that he is the opposite of GEOTUS. This implied that GEOTUS is somehow bad at math, despite building a $10 billion dollar fortune. Despite Andrew Yang's jab, you sided with a man who proudly called himself the opposite of GEOTUS.
And... At the time you would have been supporting the Yang Gang, GEOTUS was exacting maximum ass-kicking for America - great economy, great unemployment numbers, etc.
On that note, one should never trust some one who does not show loyalty where loyalty is due. Given the timing of your support for Andrew Yang, you sold out at the very moment when he had proved himself against all of the slings and arrows of the left. You traded his results for a communist's empty promises. You abandoned the only president in your entire lifetime who has worked 100% for you to go and join those attacking him.
Justify yourself all you want, but I will not trust you.
Anyone who votes Democrat after voting for GEOTUS will be duped again in the future.
Anyone who wears Democrat in their name is not a true constitutionalist. Even if Yang might have not been as far left, they are all in the same boat. They are all sellouts and will never have your best interest. President Trump might be the only real true American Patriot that is fighting for OUR BEST INTEREST. He didn't have to run for office, he was living his billionaire lifestyle but instead wanted to make sure this country doesn't keep going down the wrong path. GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP AND GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU
Yang sold out to CNN as soon as he dropped out. UBI is a good idea, but we'll have to wait for another person to champion it.
One could argue UBI is better than welfare, at least there is that. Welcome back pede your are forgiven for your sins we accept your confession. How about some bricks for old times sake.
RIP BRICK BOT
Don't be too discouraged by Yang. In 2012, Trump did what he thought was best for Republicans and endorsed, and supported, Romney. Mitt Romney. The sleaziest Republican in modern history. Thankfully, Trump didn't take a job as a shill on Fox.
Remind all your Democrat friends, Biden will not bring a return to 'normal'. This culture war acceleration began under Obama and flares up every time there is an election. Symone Sanders, Biden's press secretary, said "aw, poor white people" in response to watching a mentally handicapped white man get beaten by thugs. These are the people who will control the White House if Biden takes power - people who will laugh and revel in the misery of the innocent.
Welcome home
Welcome home! We need the all the pedes we can get for this war will be fierce, but fun!
I'm a communist to the people here and a libertarian trying to gut social services to the Left. I'm convinced, but that isn't going to stop me from doing what's right and voting Donald Trump.
Holy shit another free thinker. God bless you man. Most of my leftist tendencies are social. I'm pro-gay pro-trans and pro-minority. But the left doesn't care about any of that. They are pro gay, if you are pro gay AND think like them. Pro-Trans if you drink the blue koolaid and pro-minority if you vote for them. And what is their ideology? Hate that's all I've received for daring to question. People in here dont fully trust a purple moderate but I have been fired, broken up with and straight lost friends for supporting the president publicly.
Honestly all I want now is for America to chill. I dont want to disdain anyone for there beliefs and I dont want to be disdained for mine. I have never fit into the binary political system and I will support good people now matter there creed or color. And right now the only American future I can see freedom of thought is Trumps America
My man...i suspect UBI will get it's day when AI and robotics are fully realized. I actually kind of long for those days.
Welcome fren!
Have a coat pede.
I think UBI will need to occur at some point in the future as automation continues to take over. But it's hard to make an argument for it when the country was at record low unemployment. Eventually we will reach the point where unemployment creeps up but nothing any politician or business can do will curb that and at that point you will need UBI or experience mass unrest. Yang had good ideas but he's too early. He's young though so hopefully we'll see him again in 10-20 years
Conservative Canadian. can I get a coat?
Canadian, eh?
Alright hoser, I've got an old Elsinore Beer windbreaker from the 70's. It looks like a mouse chewed up the zipper but you're welcome to it... the coat, not the mouse (I got plans for him).
Welcome!
Welcome and SHADILAY- red pill as many people as you can. Btw, fuck CHYNA.
Dissenting opinions are OK here. I don't agree with you on Yang and that is okay. Welcome back.
I did thing Yang was the most sane choice out of all the democrats and that is even with him tweeting out he wanted to give out free money lol.
Most people here understand people's lives under welfare is generally a pretty depressing existence. Being the master of your own destiny is truly living in my opinion.
When we crack the secret of cold fusion and can generate infinite free energy and the entire world can read and learn and better themselves while robots do all the manual labor...then we can have UBI.
Until then, let's make sure people actually have to do something to earn their keep other than just breeding endlessly and making society pay for it.
You can have a brick, but it's for the wall. Not for riots!
Welcome brother