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All wars are fought across multiple domains, using phased order of battle operations. We do not fight like Call Of Duty, running around randomly.
Most personnel are not infantry ‘grunts’. Unless you are active military *you are NOT currently needed for that specialty. You will do battle in the information domain, operating to shape the battlespace to create the conditions necessary to defeat the enemy.
THIS MISSION IS FOR SELECT VOLUNTEERS, AS FOLLOWS:
“You have been selected to help serve your Country.
Never retreat from the battlefield [Twitter, FB, etc.].
Use other platforms as a form of centralized command and control.
Organize and connect [bridge through linking].
Source meme(s) material from battlefield and/or garage [highlight & share][take & drop]
Mission 1: Dispute [reject] propaganda push through posting of research and facts
Mission 2: Support role of other digital soldiers [one falls another stands (rises)]
Mission 3: Guide [awaken] others through use of facts [DECLAS 1-99 material and other relevant facts] and memes [decouple MSDNC control of info stream] _ask 'counter' questions to initiate 'thought' vs repeat [echo] of MSDNC propaganda
Mission 4: Learn use of camouflage [digitally] _primary account suspended-terminated _use of secondary
Mission 5: Identify strengths / weaknesses [personal and designated target(s)] re: Twitter & FB [+other] example re: meme(s) failure to read through use of ALGO [think Tron (MCP_master control program)] _dependence on person-to-person capture [slow response time unidentified user(s)]
I wonder how many bloodthirsty pedes are kids or are single (or shills)
I have a family to protect. That protection includes making sure I don't lose my job.
If you want to go into a city and get labelled a terrorist, while AntiFa and BLM are protected, go right ahead. We need to vote accordingly and defend our hometowns, not go out looking for trouble.
Luckily AntiFa is officially a terrorist organization now, it will take time to see any kind of repercussions. Young pedes have yet to catch on to how bone crushingly slow government moves....
oh no, they where saying 'why?' when they were put on their knees and watched their family get a bullet to their skull and pushed into a shallow grave.
Gruesome, but it's true. You do what you have to do to protect your family, but I've read the books, I've seen the photos and how it all begins. This shit freaks me the fuck out.
Did you see the 'security' in CHAZ execute a dude the other day? It's straight out of the commie playbook where guards would just shoot someone just because they felt like it.
This is what happened in Russia, China and Cambodia.
The average person had to go to work in the fields, whilst they sent their children to schools, where the Communists indoctrinated them and made them hate their own parents.
The Cultural Revolution in China alone ended up with more than 50 million people dead and it was lead by the young indoctrinated Maoists against the old.
Same excuse back then too.
Why didn't someone stop them?
Well, you see, they were working while the society around them was burning down.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
We're not anywhere close to that yet, and we're armed. When the time comes, do you think there won't be patriots ready to shoot back? That's the difference between us and the Russians.
You won't have a job to provide for your family if they are allowed to keep doing this. None of us will. And we will be killing each other over toilet paper and bread
You are both right, and wrong. Yes if thousands of Trump supporters suited up and put down these rebellions we could do it. However, once people start fighting violence with violence you will see the police, NG, FBI, ATF, etc all of a sudden start showing back up.
Once you go and oppose these people in the streets and fight violence with violence then it’s full steam ahead and you can’t stop until you have taken this country back.
That means a lot of blood will be shed on both sides, and it is not a guaranteed victory as outside forces will leap at the chance to support warring factions in the US.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying we aren’t ready to cross the Rubicon yet. We aren’t organized enough, we aren’t prepared enough, we aren’t committed enough.
I know a lot of people on here will get butthurt over this, but it is the truth. Yeah there are lots of people with guns who talk shit on the internet, but how many of them could actually go out and fight for an extended period of time?
If enough people are not organized, trained, and 100% committed then the movement will end up like CHAZ and fall flat on its face.
Observe locally. Which of your neighbors are sympathizers? Who are flaming karens? Who is the based doctor? Know who you will protect and who you can give a spare rifle to so they have your back.
Start mapping your neighborhoods and know who the enemies are.
And if 1000 come after me I will definitely take more then a few with me. I am not scared. If 1000 come for you will you cry and beg or what is your point?
We only come out to bury commie zombies (after the CONFIRMED Death of Justice in America). Don't be in such a hurry. You'll probably have piles of memorials to jack off to by this time next year.
Perhaps hundreds of thousands of them. Or, dear God, even millions.
When it happens, be sure to remember you are literally related to every deceased Marxist combatant.
So you going to come pay my house payment so that my family and children don't become homeless in the next 45 days if I quit going to work??? I mean since you all want us out there on the street and think that responsibilities and work aren't a good enough excuse when you have a family and children.... Which the overwhelming vast vast majority of us do
anyone with children know that they are your top priority no matter what... and no that doesn't mean their long-term future goals, of course that shit is very important to us too... but do you know what always trumps anything and everything else??? their immediate health and safety right here today. Right now....
I can't possibly imagine people with children saying that unless their spouse does all of the child-rearing and they don't have to do shit themselves, and/or are also rich...
I'm assuming by saying that that means that you're already out there in the street fighting back right?
I mean surely surely you wouldn't go saying something like that while you're actually still sitting in your own house not doing anything either... Surely not
historically, the national dominance of a particular ideology in america typically changes every 60 years or so.
So no I do not buy the notion that we cant shift the national discourse back in our favor without resorting to violence.
The liberals started their grip to power in the late 50s and early 60’s. Meaning their 60 years was due to end around 2016-2020. Well what do you know....
We arent witnessing the rising dominance of a liberal america, we already had that for the last 60 years. What we are witnessing is the final death throes of the liberal ideology.
Trump being elected was the straw that broke the camels back, why else do you think they literally went crazy? Yea, the liberals dominate our culture and institutions currently but they have for 60 years and ive seen us make great ground in the last 4 years. We ARE winning the battle.
I believe this is largely correct. There’s been a certain liberal cultural hegemony for the past 60 or so years which was easy to be blind to. We were too conditioned to it.
We’re still in the early stages of a turning, but the strongholds are showing existential cracks.
Academia is FUCKED. So many colleges soon to be insolvent and their intellectual credibility and stranglehold on knowledge and accreditation is rapidly eroding.
The rise of China as the soon to be dominant global power is FUCKED. By the inherent fragility of their system and the unsettling by Trump’s policies, CCP seems to be near to some existential event horizon.
The internet has of course played so large a part in usurping traditional media’s monopoly on discourse, but even as regards the replacing ruling bodies (Google, Facebook, etc.) the cracks are there. For all the purging and censorship, places like this website attest to the fact there is a limit on that power and a persistence of the user base. We’re still too early to see what role technologies like crypto will have in decentralizing networks away from the current monopolies, but I believe they will.
For all the rioting and statue pulling bullshit, they only get away with what they do because the media and Soros D.A’s covering for them. They don’t have a paramilitary faction strong enough for any external coup (In the 1917 Russian Revolution you had active duty units deserting en masse to revolt) and they don’t control the levers of federal power to get what they want just yet.
There’s long way to go and many are just waking up, but things don’t appear truly hopeless.
That's exactly what they want, they want you to show up screaming and shooting into the sky like a fucking moron so they can use you like the fake news tool you are.
This x9000!
The left is in pure bait mode, trying to get us to show, what they think, are our "true colors" of hate and violence. When in, fact, thats at their very core.
Never underestimate the amount of left shilling and inciting right here on this forum!!!
Yes, CHOP was the perfect example of the bait, and Trump didn't fall for it. We should follow suit, to some degree. But also, Kudos to the lawyers defending their castle in Missouri
Exactly. Let's also stop pretending like they're winning. There's a difference between letting someone throw a tantrum and cry themselves out and "winning." Perhaps they have gotten a few temporary scalps (fallen statues for the moment, looted stores, corps bending the knee), but that literally is all just symbolism.
I understand all of that. However, they didn't just take over institutions in the last month and a half. They are trying to do more but in many ways they are cutting off their nose to spite their face- they just don't realize it yet. You also have to ask yourself, "What exactly are they winning?" Their propaganda is more obvious and irritating than ever.
I know statues are just the beginning. Other people see that too. That's my point. No tangible victories yet, only symbolic stuff. Just because we aren't meeting them tit for tat on every little thing just yet doesn't mean they are actually gaining ground.
These are Democrat run cities, so they're not exactly "ours" to lose. I live in a leftist shithole I get it that it's frustrating. But we aren't losing ground in urban areas and we certainly aren't losing ground in the outlying areas (suburbs) as all this cultural Marxism goes on.
Trump's base is also not being terrorized any more or any less than the last 4 years. These rabid lunatics have moved on to normal people, pancake mixes and shit like that. They aren't winning right now they are simply chumming the shit out of the waters with the intent of sowing chaos and division. If you don't see that then you don't know what winning looks like.
You've got it exactly backwards. They're rioting in the streets because nobody is willing to stop them. They're fucking winning. Statues are coming down, building, streets and maybe cities are getting renamed, people are getting shot in the fucking street with no consequence, they've occupied part of fucking Seattle and every corporate entity in America is sucking their dicks.
He's not wrong and you're not wrong. If you wanna be hands off about the govt because you have to work and raise kids, then maybe pray for a totalitarian style govt you don't have to think about and hope for a benevolent dictator.
Those who fought in the American revolution had families and homes to take care of too. The Founding Fathers too, they all had everything to lose with little chance of victory. But they risked it all for the dream of freedom.
I get that it's not exactly the same scenario now and there is no leader to organize patriots on the ground at this point. Also, now isn't the time for it while Trump is in office. However, as soon as Dems gain control again they will ensure that conservatives never have a chance again. They will manipulate and corrupt everything as they always do. There will come a time where patriots will need to organize and fight back. Either that or submit to a communist nation where our children's destinies are ruled by the state.
You're right, everyone is all talk, no action. But everyone has a trigger, everyone has a point of no return. Revolution/Civil War/Killing has a high threshold and shouldn't be engaged lightly but the pressure is building and there will be a flash point. In the revolution it was the shot heard around the world, in the civil war it was the election of Lincoln and later Fort Sumter. But the pressure keeps building and we all know it. Unless that pressure is released in a non violent way, we are heading for a fight. Voting might release that pressure or the 2020 election could be the trigger, just like the election in 1860.
God I don't want this, nor should anyone. I don't want my children to die, but God damn it, I not going to live is some shitty Soviet knock off
True, fact is older people fucked up and let this shit get out of control
They were lied to. Look at NAFTA, you had Perot telling everyone what was going to happen but both Bush Sr. and Clinton were for it. Perot convinced enough people that it swung the election for Clinton.
Look at Gay marriage, it took the Supreme Court reinterpreting the law to get that passed.
Or even the 1965 immigration act the Ted Kennedy said wouldn't change the demographics of the country.
Or the fact that illegal immigration has been a top concern for voters for 40 years, yet nobody before Trump actually did anything about it.
I can remember my parents ranting about these things when I was a kid, their political positions haven't changed but the politicians have.
In 20 years our kids will be repeating your words about us.
Time to defund welfare and make it very temporary and very strict, let these people starve. A society that allows the weak to prosper will become a weak society. That's the cold truth.
All joking aside, we seriously need to cut off the supply line of the enemy. Protesters are funded somehow while we have to work. Protesting is their work
This is why they demonized and condemned the Crusades. The idea of organizing a resistance against armed anarchists and terrorists is considered radical. You'll see the excuses repeated over and over:
Conservatives must show restraint or we will ____
Option A: Set a dangerous precedent
Option B: Give the MSM and DNC an excuse to go all out against conservatives.
Option C: Be the target of every possible attack from the left.
A became precedent on 5/26. The first shots of the Civil War were fired then. It went hot already. How many beaten? Paralyzed? Killed? Lives ruined? Buildings burned? Businesses destroyed?
Authorities haven't been able to keep up with any of this except murders. "Only" 19 last I knew. 19 murdered, over one dead Fentanyl Floyd. And as horrible as that first video did look, Police bodycam footage has never been released. Why not? You'd think they'd want to erase all doubt. Not only is there real doubt about this one case, but a LOT of other recent ones that MSM has lied about to infuriate the masses.
IABS = Its All BullShit.
The zombie hordes can't be reasoned with. BLM says they want to rape us, kill us, and live in our houses after we're dead. We should believe them! antifa (BLM seems to be distancing themselves from them?) says they want to burn our houses down with us inside, and if we come out the angry mob kills us there. We should believe them, too. These are not our friends.
He's right. You haven't noticed that this shit kicks off every four years, right before an election? The media would love nothing more than if right-wingers started opening fire on crowds of "peaceful," "anti-racist" protesters. I'm not saying people shouldn't defend themselves, but I think the driver in that white Excursion made the right choice in this particular case.
The left is sowing chaos, and if you respond with more chaos, you're playing right into their hand. That's what they want. In 2016 we had riots, cops being murdered in Dallas and Louisiana, Trump supporters violently attacked at rallies... and we weathered the storm. We showed them that their destruction and chaos only strengthened our resolve.
The left has had control of American culture for decades, and what you're seeing now is their desperate attempt to cling to that control. We know this has nothing to do with George Floyd. The issue of police killing unarmed black men is a made up problem; the number of instances last year was in the single digits (and it was higher during the Obama administration). The left "won" the culture war by convincing people with arguments and appealing to people's compassion... now that they see their control starting to wane, they're resorting to racial animus, violence, and chaos.
I know I may seem naive or crazy for saying this, but I'm actually optimistic. The reason things are getting so crazy is because we are so close to winning. There's old saying that goes something along the lines of: "a wounded tiger is more dangerous than a hungry one." Right now, the left is a wounded tiger, lashing out. All we have to do is keep our cool, and finish the job.
Have you not studied history? Like at all? Things don't get crazier because the other side is winning, it gets crazier because the liberals think they can get away with more drastic measures.
History shows that liberals escalate until they win. The first attack on Rome was a sniper inside a house. In the end it was 50 artillery shells bombing jospitals and churches.
The revolution of Mexico was disguised as a freedom movement and ended in genocide.
The left doesn't care if you fight back. They will kill you anyway if they can get away with it.
It's quickly heating up to that point anyway. Now that they are armed and firing at drivers, it gives us no choice but to be armed so that we can fire back. I'm certainly going to assume that any BLM crowd now has a few gunmen in it.
History shows that liberals escalate until they win. The first attack on Rome was a sniper inside a house. In the end it was 50 artillery shells bombing jospitals and churches.
What the hell are you even talking about? Is this a reference to WWII?
No that was when liberals led a revolution against the Pope. They started with civil unrests and protests then started a bloody war by shooting a Roman soldier. It ended when liberals surrounded Rome and bombed the city into submission. The population didn't want anything to do with the liberals so they saw civilians as legitimate targets.
Modern conservatives make the mistake of assuming the liberals will draw a line somewhere and say they won't cross it. But the liberals will not stop until they can bury conservatives.
You rest your case? I'm sure you're already aware of this, but Rome has a few millennia worth of history. Just because I don't what specific event you're being extremely vague about, doesn't mean I don't know history. It would be helpful if you mentioned a name or date... or at least narrowed it down to a particular century.
Yeah that was fucked. The right needs to learn how to set the narrative, we're too reactionary. We wait for the left to set it then try to downplay their narrative. That is for losers.
The right needs to learn how to set the narrative, we're too reactionary.
Hard to do when we're actively forced off of all mainstream media and even mainline social media. Look at where we are right now: a new site made because the largest news aggregation and forum-like site has spent four years actively suppressing us, capped off with a blatant cartel-type multi-company purge literally yesterday.
It's honestly reaching the point where there is no peaceful solution, and that should terrify everyone.
Remember that Jeff Sessions said James Fields defending himself against left wing terrorists qualified as domestic terrorism but said nothing about Antifa terrorists showing up armed to a peaceful protest and bashing people's heads in.
I really hope that piece of shit doesn't get elected back to the Senate.
Actually the law is on our side. In my State, we have to "be able to articulate a fear of death or severe bodily harm." Damned easy to do that in the current climate. Far easier than trying to justify shooting someone, or even pointing your gun at them. Which is complete bs! Doesn't matter if they're on public property, even just 20 or 30 people 40 feet away aren't going to be stopped by 2 shooters, unless one has a machine gun. I mean if everyone runs away at the first sound great, but these people are getting more used to operating with bullets flying around. If everyone were to charge, that's too fucking close. US Constitution does NOT protect intimidation, credible threat, or any of the bs that's happening now with these zombie hordes.
Rule of law needs to be restored. "Peacefully protest" out on a main thoroughfare, with a permit, so Police can plan in advance to have adequate presence. Otherwise they can show up with concentration of force at a time and place of their choosing, which will result in bloodbaths.
Women naturally push for the status quo to remain unchanged as it is in their and their offspring (real or potential) biological best interests. That’s why your mother is trying to talk you out of it. She thinks you’re putting yourself in danger. But we’re already in danger. It’s time for men to do what men do.
I fucking love that we finally have a place where we can just say simple truths like this instead of being gaslit and told that what is obvious isn't true and you're sexist if you acknowledge biological reality. The differences between men and women isn't just muscle mass and average height shit. There really are instinctual and psychological trends in both men and women that push us to do certain things more than the other gender.
Historically they will adapt, settle down, and start new families with the conquerors. It takes a lot of parenting and respect for their own fathers to overcome that tendency to value security over fighting for community.
Nope, above a 5 crazy so I am wife zone. My husband says I am not crazy, but he is just easy to please. If most women were not idiots he never would have still been single when I met him. Totally ripped, genius, humble and kind. Also has common sense and got a math PhD in 3 years, 2 accepted publications and missing half his prereqs in his 40's as a midlife crisis. Now he is merely extremely fit in his 50's. Also rides motorcycles and owns 5. Idiot girls just looked at the bad hairstyle, ugly glasses and awful clothes. I fixed all that. Some things can be changed in a man. It still blows my mind that women were not chasing him down, when I met him I snagged him so fast he did not even see it coming because I knew I would never meet a man of his caliber again. 32 years of marriage and I still feel that way.
This is great, thank you! Glad to read he’s keeping in shape and has someone who loves him dearly. I’m still working on just the one motorcycle myself, but I love it!
His story sounds similar to mine. I had no fashion sense until my 30’s. It all worked out. Also found someone similar to yourself. Very content! Thanks again!
Awww so sweet. We met at 23 on vacation and he did not want to move to date me, so we got married at 24. Very young, but I didn't want him to slip through my fingers.
Here in Canada at my local gun shop they ran out of quite a few types of ammo when Canada declared a lockdown due to covid. The guy behind the counter said that so many Americans were stockpiling ammo, that ammo manufacturers didn't have much left over to sell to Canadian retailers.
Yeah the media likes to hype it up when someone is found with "a thousand rounds of ammunition," but the reality is that's just the common denomination it's sold in. It's like saying someone was found with 12 beers... well, yes, because they're sold in 12 packs.
No need to tell Mom this, but 1k rounds may not be enough. You sure you have the best round? Probably not for everything, right? How many do you need to shoot a week to stay in top form? Horde enough for a year, plus however many needed for potential actual use. Plus that other round that serves a different function ;)
.... and still nobody is talking about or going after the organizers and sponsors of these terrorists. I bet it would take all of about 3 hours for the internet to track down proof of who is behind these attacks on Americans .. an easy RICO case.
Corrupt or incompetent, our DoJ is a fucking joke.
The same person has ran the last several protests in Utah. There's even a photo caption of her in articles for this story. Since the crowd was fairly small the entire time, its easy to spot her in this video.
Right. How is who going after the organizers? I mean if somebody can ID some criminal on video, great. Hard to do in black block but it's been done before. (Bikelock Professor being a great example) Are the chans on this, and making progress?
Trying to not directly dox since we've got media entities looking for stories in .win right now, but in the news article for this story you find a captioned picture of a black woman in a red sweater with a megaphone. Look for other news articles with her name and you'll find she's been organizing tons of protests in Utah this year.
Lets just say her name is unique amongst Utah residents, and her Popular Professional NetLINKING Website is public. Can't archive it though because it's captcha'd.
Take a look at all nested replies in the top comment here. A whole lot of "We'll do something when it's right outside our door. Not a second before, not even organizing or planning. I'm going to work and pay my bills and go on with my life as normal until the second the mob is right outside and then I'll start acting".
You know what an enemy calls it when they know exactly what you are and are not willing to do, how you'll do it, when you'll do it, when you won't, and has the power to choose the ground, the terms, the timing, and the conditions of the battle because you've told all of them this?
A juicy fucking opportunity. The Left knows that we aren't going to do jack shit at all, not even talk to each other and come up with theoretical plans, until the precise moment Conditions A, B, C, D, and E are all met for us. The Left knows that they can get away with absolutely anything they want as long as they avoid meeting all of those conditions we told them are the only way we'll react, and they have the power to freely move about, plan, organize, prepare, equip, control communications lines, and then choose on their own terms when to finally meet all of those conditions on purpose, provoke the exact response we broadcast to them ahead of time, and deal their prepared counterblow.
We've all decided to fence ourselves inside tiny little encampments on the battle field with big front gates, and then shouted from the hilltops that we're not going to form lines of battle, we're not going to try to gain any ground, we're not even going to try to pick a more advantageous battlefield. We've shouted at the top of our lungs to the whole enemy that our Plan A is to prepare for a siege, as cut off and unorganized individuals no less, and that only an attack on the front gate will be met with any force at all, and that our Plan B is fuck that we don't need a Plan B, anyone who even mentions coming up with a Plan B is a fearmongering cuck.
So they move their troops around into positions, get their equipment set up in advance, scope out the entire battlefield, seize all unclaimed ground, seize routes of supply and communication, send out their battle plans to all their troops, and then they get to pick the exact time, place, and manner in which the battle begins, and they know exactly what our plan of defense is ahead of time because we fucking told them.
Ah but fuck it. TL;DR right? We all have to work in the morning anyways, I'm sure it'll just work itself out and be fine. We do have millions of beautiful little Maginot Lines prepared for the attack. It'll be fine.
It's not the Antifags that are the problem. They're the tool. The hand wielding the tool is far more intelligent and dangerous. And we've tipped our entire hand to them ahead of time.
Most people have a job, most protestors likely don't have a job. There's a minority of loud obnoxious people with a lot of time on their hands. Sane, hard working, level-headed Americans have responsibilities. There's also really tricky cost / reward situation going on.
For example, I work for a SF tech company. If I publicly speak against BLM, or the protests, I would be fired. Full stop, without question. We literally have classes on inclusion we need to take, we're told we should add BLM tags to our email signatures, etc.
I make very good money. What would distress me more? BLM protests and all the bullshit? Or being unemployed in the middle of all this shit going on? Sorry, but I'm going to stay silent and collect my oversized paycheck
The thing is that they know all this but by their very nature they will keep pushing until they meet all those conditions. They know exactly how far they can go before they'll get a response but they're not capable of staying within those boundaries.
What we have to be doing now is mentally fortifying ourselves to remember that once those conditions are met and action starts that we absolutely cannot stop once we start. We have to be mentally willing to take ALL necessary measures to prevent this from ever happening again.
Although Utah is falling prey to the same kind of thinking that polluted Texas with libshits. That greed for growth and economic advantage means importing leftist slime because your job growth outstrips your birth rate.
Welcome to Denver, Bozeman, Jackson, Boise, etc...
Am in Denver (well, the metro, not Denver proper), can confirm. Can also confirm that I'm prepped and loaded should the next round of riots spread out into my area.
I got a call from a friend out near Tooele that BLM were coming to demonstrate and destroy a veteran's memorial. We made sure word got out, people showed up in large numbers to stop them and nothing happened. They are cowards and wherever they are outnumbered they back off. Provo just does not have enough good people to stand up to them. Yucaipa stopped them as well.
Two blocks away, where he came from, there are videos of communists breaking windows out of cars and attacking the drivers. There is a twitter post from a communist professor thanking Spikes Tactical for his rifle, that he claims in the post he used to threaten James Fields and chase him towards that crowd. The entire day had hundreds of videos showing extreme violence up to and including makeshift flamethrowers being used. There is video evidence of damage to his vehicle before he hit anyone. There is video evidence of him swerving around people and hitting the brakes at various times, which isn't what you do if you want to strike those people. I don't know what was in Field's heart, but I do know that there's plenty of exculpatory evidence and it's clear that he got absolutely railroaded.
This SUV had a thousand feet too at some point; they weren't threatened, until they were. Is it ok to ask why they didn't just turn around and avoid this? No, it's immoral to ask victims why they didn't do something else to avoid a situation. I'll afford Fields the same leeway any other victim gets; no expectation of perfection or anything close to it. If the mob doesn't want to get plowed over, they should avoid being violent.
Not at all. Whether Fields defended himself or intentionally tried to hurt people is an honest question. The conclusion I require is that Fields was railroaded, because it's plainly obvious. When the judge directs who your lawyer will be and you get nine years for hit and run, or five seventy year sentences for hitting someone, there isn't much room to pretend otherwise.
Also, there are far too many recent examples of people being given wildly out of line sentences (Stone), and judges/juries doing everything in their power to convict the innocent (Flynn), to pretend our system is above it. Shit's fucked bruv.
Me personally I don't want tk try to prove to a jury I feared for my life enough to open the throttle all the way, without there being bullet holes in my car.
There are several ways to handle that. One is getting the heck out of there may not need to floor it. And you aren't likely to kill anybody anyway. (In a full sized cargo van, I'm much more likely to since there's no hood to hop up on) All these videos, the people hit pop right back up. So life sentence probably isn't a thing. Another is Police have given us some good examples of nudging people, not at all slowly or gently, they're sent flying but hurt less. And they still manage to get out of there. 4 or 5 foot surge, then quick stop, then another surge, avoiding actually running over anybody. Maneuver through the thinnest part of the crowd, not swerving to hit as many as possible. Also not stopped dead helping a shooter get a bead on you. This driver is lucky she was "only" hit in her shoulder, guarantee you that's not what the shooter was aiming for. Another point is if you're going to be a martyr, don't fall to the crowd, inspiring them further.
In my State the requirement is to "be able to articulate that you were in fear for your life or severe bodily injury." In this climate that's a given. 20 people can't be stopped if they're determined, not with a gun or anything else. That's also true when they're 40' from your home. Even with 2 shooters you're in an indefensible position. They've told us they want to not merely kill us, but rape us first and live in our homes after we're dead. And they don't mean they just want to rape your wife.
We should believe them when they tell us what they want to do.
We need to plan and organize. Giving in to the crowd and letting them kill us is not a successful plan.
That driver is lucky to be alive. That commie-cock-loving piece of shit took aim, tracking the driver before firing -- definitely trying to kill them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the most prominent body part seen through a vehicle's window the head?
Antifa hosts "defense" classes where they teach people how to fight, how to make weapons, ect. They are poorly trained, bu they have a strategy that consists of isolating their opposition, attacking when they are off guard, and running away.
Twitter replies to the source video are trying to say he RECKLESSLY PLOWED through the group, completely ignoring that
A "protester" brought a loaded firearm to a demonstration 2 blocks east of the city police department HQ
The assailant fired when he personally was not in danger, then fired again after the vehicle was no longer a threat to anyone
The assailant did not exercise reasonable caution in avoiding "friendly fire", as there were people on all four sides of the vehicle he shot into, then put more in danger as he fired wildly down the street into the rear of the departing vehicle
And only one of the protesters filed a report saying they had been injured by the driver. It didn't merit medical attention. The driver, however, went to the hospital.
BECAUSE HE WAS SHOT BY A PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATOR FIGHTING AGAINST UNNECESSARY ESCALATION OF VIOLENCE BY POLICE
Oh right that was another gaslight they attempted, that he went up on the sidewalk and intentionally aimed for bodies. That's an empty turn lane and the light was green.
Trumps period of inaction is start to reach the end of its effectiveness. While I am not the 4D chess master, the people aren’t going to tolerate this kind of weakness much longer.
I can only trust he knows what he is doing.
Edit: Thank you for the insightful replies. Lots of great things to consider, pedes.
He can't just fix the problem, he HAS to let it get terrible.
Think of this.
You get a new landlord. He comes in your place while you aren't home, and says "I heard about a leak in here, so I came to fix it. It's fixed." You're going to be pissed that he was in your house without your permission or you being there.
Now, same scenario. But this time you see floor is flooded. Wet clothes, carpet, towels.....and you see he has a pump going, cleaning up the mess and says "I heard there was a leak, it was pretty bad, but I fixed it before the entire place flooded." You're going to be so grateful that he took care of it.
If Trump would have busted these idiots up early on....or even now, it's still too soon. The public have to get angry. The public have to see how big, and how bad the problem is, and they have to get vocal about it.
Then, he can take care of it, and he'll be a hero. If he does it now the left will say "Look, he's attacking citizens with the military!"
We know how terrible and violent antifa is. But most other americans don't.
In just the past few days I've changed my own stance on the CHAZ/CHOP, and on stopping/slowing for "protestors".
If they start to set up a CHOP in my town, I'm going to organize an ARMED resistance to tear it down immediately the moment they try to put up a border.
If I'm driving and protestors are blocking the streets, I'm just going to put on my hazards and keep rolling at the posted speed limit while holding down the horn, because once you slow down, then they surround you and attack you.
Afterwords I'll contact a lawyer and let him/her handle it. I won't make a statement without a lawyer there.
Now a week ago, I wouldn't have done anything. But after seeing all these videos of the leftist violence, I will refuse to become a victim.
you cant run as the law and order candidate if you were actively president while this bullshit was going on. it's been a month of this nonsense, put it down
Let's follow this logic. So he sends in the national guard. The lefties escalate to the point where you may see bricks, bombs, or live ammo coming from the crowds. The national guard is forced to respond in kind. Some young retards die. The media then frames it as Trump sending in the national guard to kill young kids, he loses the election, and everything goes according to their plan.
The whole purpose of these riots is to make Trump lose the election. Don't play right into it.
that might have been true at the outset although i personally doubt it
we've spent a month watching innocent people get wounded or killed by these rioting mongs while lives have been destroyed and businesses utterly demolished
if you're still hung up on "oh my god the media might actually air negative ads against the president that's never happened before" after a month of this how many more people need to get their lives ruined first?
you cant run as the law and order candidate if you were actively president while this bullshit was going on. what do you think is worse? CNN running negative ads against the president for the 8 millionth time, or establishing precedent that you can force the government to come to a screeching halt for anything up to and including putting down deadly riots in an election year for fear they'd do something that could cost them an election? is it better to have a legacy of doing the right thing and being shamed for it or standing by doing nothing while you had the power to protect people? why don't you ask the deputy at parkland who stood outside the building doing nothing but listening to the screams while the shooting was going on?
The media have been negative the whole time, sure, and so far they've failed to pierce the armor.
we've spent a month watching innocent people get wounded or killed by these rioting mongs while lives have been destroyed and businesses utterly demolished
And no one blames Trump for that because BLM is doing it. If it's the national guard that changes.
is it better to have a legacy of doing the right thing and being shamed for it or standing by doing nothing while you had the power to protect people? why don't you ask the deputy at parkland who stood outside the building doing nothing but listening to the screams while the shooting was going on?
They've been trying to say Trump is a tyrant since the beginning. No one believes them. The governors are against him. If he sends in the military without their permission, then suddenly the media has a story to run with that looks true. Trust in Trump. He knows what he's doing. If it got bad enough he would go in no problem, but right now things are not at that point and sending in the military or national guard is overkill.
He just needs to continue sending the feds in to pick off Antifa one by one. They are the ones riling up the crowds. As far as the looters go in general, that's something the police need to take care of. Even NYPD doesn't want Trump to send in the calvary at the moment, because they can handle it on their own as long as the local government actually prosecutes people.
What would change is he wouldn't be a few months away from an election anymore. The purpose of the riots is to make him lose. Once he gets in again, he can crackdown as hard as he likes because there is no third term.
Wow. I'm surprised BLM protests have traction in Utah. I was there for two weeks just recently and I don't think I saw more than two black people the entire time.
I'm sure this will make national news because of the shooting. .... ...yea.... that part was a joke.
This isn’t and never was a black issue. It’s a skinsuit for white marxists to push their revolution. That’s why you’re seeing this happen around the world.
It needs to be put down now. A militia easily outnumbers and outguns these groups. Once they see the real life consequences and firepower, I bet they stop.
Honestly, that video probably represents the entirety of the black community here. Most of those kids are traveling down there from University of Utah.
Come on up to Ogden, we have more, we also are not so cucked and have not had issues as our police showed up en mass and made sure our tine protests were under control. Ogden PD is really quite good. Provo and SLC have serious issues.
These motherfuckers stand in front of vehicles, they basically just kind of stand around when they hear gunshots. Where is the flight or fight response? It's an entire generation of retards
Provo and Salt Lake have been going leftward for YEARS now (SLC had an openly gay and hard-left mayor back in 2007 or so if memory serves - Rocky Anderson I think his name was.)
Suburban Utah suffers with being close to the liberal west coast, having rich liberal elites descend on their ski towns and having little to none of the violent inner cities of the Midwest or south. It’s the perfect storm of the cancerous genesis of liberalism and a perfect example of “good times create weak men”.
Lesbian mayors for 10 years now in SLC. It's another leftist shithole I won't set foot in again.
There is a huge homeless problem in downtown SLC and they just keep building more free housing for them and wondering why they keep on coming.
I grew up in Provo and they welcome illegals for the cheap labor. The LDS church lures them up from South and Central America due to their church welfare system.
Even worse is the influx of high tech workers coming from Silicon Valley/ Seattle/ Portland and bringing their Marxist values with them to our "Silicon Slopes".
R.I.P. Utah.
I agree with you on the welfare point. I hate it that our bishops just hand out food and money to anyone just because they ask. The bishop storehouse and welfare are for people that live in the area, not those that moved to take advantage of it. I wish more would put stipulations on the money and food, like...GET A JOB!
I have followed the exMormon subreddit for years. Over time I witnessed it going further and further left, to the point of crazy and I reduced my time on there.
My opinion is the Mormon church is partly responsible for creating these leftists. Please hear me out. As Jordan Peterson says, any organization can become too conservative, too rigid, too ossified, which leads to corruption, an unwillingness to change, and for its members can feel like living in a prison with few freedoms.
This happened with a bunch of scandals with Mormon higher-ups and their doctrines. It created a large ex-Mormon group. Most wanted just a little more freedom to live and to think for themselves. However, a subsection of the exMormons went even further, rejecting many good principles of the church, and ended up hard leftists. Social activists emerge either from the outside or from within and lead people to do stupid shit like we see in the video. People like the shooter may be a subgroup of the subgroup - willing to initiate violence, or he may be an opportunist attaching himself to the cause.
I lived behind the Zion Curtain for a decade (not LDS, tho; I lived up around Ogden). I nearly sprained my neck nodding in agreement.
The Church is a wreck, and yes, they did it to themselves. Can't fully blame the upper hierarchy, since that strident attitude reached all the way down to the bishops in many cases (I was once told point-blank that I would never get into a management position unless I had a Temple Recommend. As someone who no-shit worked for the state at the time, that was a bit of a shock. Note that it was once law that you could not sue the state for religious discrimination.)
So, far from being heretical (pardon the pun), I think you're dead-on.
The moment a swarm tries to surround your vehicle, you should have the right to remove your vehicle from the swarm, even if you have to run someone over. Your car is part of your castle, and them laying siege means your life is at threat.
Everyday more and more crazy shit is happening in the streets. It isn't just liberal cities anymore. The chaos is spreading and they are feeling emboldened by our inaction. We are pussies just hoping someone will stop this nonsense. So far, so good where I live, but I feel for the people having to live through this. We sit here and wait for Trump to do something? What is he going to do? Not one democrat has been held accountable legally for all of the crimes they committed. Trump is a lone wolf surrounded by unhelpful people that stifle his agenda. We are fucked. We barely have our heads above water. No one supports this violence but here we are allowing it to go on week after week. I just don't get it. Status quo is not working. These people have a full court press going on and no one is playing defense. It is sad and disheartening. Maybe someone can make a lit meme about it.
We need Castle Doctrine for vehicles, NOW!!!! Also, get your vehicle cams and install them so the liberal judges can't screw you in court. This is escalating, we are far from done.
Utah signed something last year regarding physical barricades (ironically, critics of the bill were like "but Utah doesn't have protests!"), but best I could find regarding pedestrians:
Dashcams are a priceless utility these days. I recommend the VIOFO A119 V3 with a 128gb Samsung Pro Endurance for an affordable kit you can order today.
It already is. The only limitations are, you can't swerve to hit more than necessary, and (in my State) you have to be able to articulate that your life was in danger or you were in fear of severe bodily harm.
In this environment? That should be really easy. A crowd of even just 20 - 30 is hard to stop.
That's such a vaguely amusing side effect of the Chinavirus panic - it is now socially acceptable, nay, encouraged to walk around in public wearing a blue Adidas tracksuit and black balaclava with a CZ 9mm stuck in one's waistband.
Oh come on, most people I know here hate Romney, not all of us are the idiots in Provo. He didn't even win the convention nomination because the delegates all knew his history. He lied lied lied and had the press behind him to get elected.
Seriously? Anyone who did one iota of research into Romney's track record instead of believing what he said would have known better. I voted 3rd party. This is why delegates are better overall at selection
You should dig deeper than the headlines of the propaganda companies that call themselves "The News" before you comment. One person died, and that person was not even stuck by a vehicle - she died of heart failure. A man was railroaded and imprisoned over an event just like this one, solely to give the Left a propaganda victory.
STL Tribune is full of leftist commenters. Not worth reading.
They think a dude not in front of a very slowly moving truck was so at risk of bodily harm while he committed a crime that he had to fire into the truck. Stand your Ground - while totally precluding what the laws actually say.
You can't point your gun at dozens of people screaming and cursing at you on the lawn of your beautiful home. But you can actually fire your gun at random motorists on the public roads.
Actually I think the couple is fine. This guy did more than point, and he shot the driver in the shoulder. I'm sure the shooter will be prosecuted if he's ever found.
Install infrared LEDs around your license plates. The human eye can't see them but they appear on cameras and blur out the area if they are bright enough.
WTF are the cops doing about this?? The police chief should be FIRED as this is not Seattle. I am sick and tired of these spoiled brat punks thinking the rest of us give a shit about their protests and block the streets asking for a fight.
I was in Provo on that street yesterday driving with my family. Scares the hell out of me imagining some "protester" shooting into my vehicle for trying to drive through an intersection. WTH is going on in America.
Me too, friend. I was just down the street from there on Monday, probably a few hours before the protest.. I am beyond pissed off that this shit is coming to my town.
Look at all the fucking idiots flocking to get run over. RUN ME OVER! RUN ME OVER! This is how you can change your life in an instant....not for the better. Dont be a dumbass people. Teach your kids not to be a fucktard like these asshats.
I’m so worried about my trip to Eugene next week. I’m going to spend some time with my boyfriend. I told him if this shit happens while I’m in the car, people will be ran over and trip is over.
You have the right idea about running them over. Just don't swerve to hit more than necessary. But FLOOR it!
Re: the "trip is over" part. Can you shift plans to go somewhere other than Eugene? There's SO much in that area ... normally it's a nice ski town. Btw telemark skiing is cheap af, and the season there starts on Memorial Day
He is gonna take me to beach and some of the lakes. Don’t know what else but my birthday is on the 12th and I don’t wake up with the intent to defend myself from these fuckers but I will.
But the reason I spent much more money on flying directly into Eugene is because I want fuck all nothing to do with Portland.
Beach and lakes it is! I'm jealous. What a beautiful part of the world. Happy birthday! Just in passing, if you can't have your own gun there, my last line of defense is a mini sledge hammer in my strong hand and a 10" flat blade screwdriver in the other. Absolutely brutal if it ever needs to be used. Doesn't take that much force with either to seriously deter aggression. A hand held sledge comes to a blunt point on one end. 1.5 or 2# may be comfortable for you. Hopefully you don't even come close to thinking about needing it, but you're instantly much less of a victim than bare handed.
Thank God he had good ole American built Ford battle tank. Imagine if he was in a soy boy micro car, he’d of been fucked. I bet in that Ford, if he ran one over he never felt it.
In these situations, run (over) first and ask questions later.
I'm on-site installing switches for a church. What do you expect us to do? I make a living so I can provide for my family.
If something goes down literally right outside, I'll be there. But I'm not following these protests around. I have to work.
HERE’S WHAT YOU CAN DO, WARRIORS:
All wars are fought across multiple domains, using phased order of battle operations. We do not fight like Call Of Duty, running around randomly.
Most personnel are not infantry ‘grunts’. Unless you are active military *you are NOT currently needed for that specialty. You will do battle in the information domain, operating to shape the battlespace to create the conditions necessary to defeat the enemy.
THIS MISSION IS FOR SELECT VOLUNTEERS, AS FOLLOWS:
“You have been selected to help serve your Country.
Never retreat from the battlefield [Twitter, FB, etc.].
Use other platforms as a form of centralized command and control.
Organize and connect [bridge through linking].
Source meme(s) material from battlefield and/or garage [highlight & share][take & drop]
Mission 1: Dispute [reject] propaganda push through posting of research and facts
Mission 2: Support role of other digital soldiers [one falls another stands (rises)]
Mission 3: Guide [awaken] others through use of facts [DECLAS 1-99 material and other relevant facts] and memes [decouple MSDNC control of info stream] _ask 'counter' questions to initiate 'thought' vs repeat [echo] of MSDNC propaganda
Mission 4: Learn use of camouflage [digitally] _primary account suspended-terminated _use of secondary
Mission 5: Identify strengths / weaknesses [personal and designated target(s)] re: Twitter & FB [+other] example re: meme(s) failure to read through use of ALGO [think Tron (MCP_master control program)] _dependence on person-to-person capture [slow response time unidentified user(s)]
Game theory.
Information warfare.
Welcome to the Digital Battlefield.
Together we win.”
https://qposts.online/post/4509
This post does not endorse violence or illegal actions of any kind. Information is provided for commentary and parody only
This needs its own post on the main thread.
Like the other guy said, break this into it's own post! Needs to be repeated and heard.
Sorry, I'm trained for kenetic warfare. Infowarfare is boring.
I’ve returned to social media and just see walls of programmed people repeating things. Its sad.
Just take my updoot. I can see you’re the leader here
See Rhodesia for more information.
Happened to relatives of mine during Stalin's time.
I wonder how many bloodthirsty pedes are kids or are single (or shills)
I have a family to protect. That protection includes making sure I don't lose my job.
If you want to go into a city and get labelled a terrorist, while AntiFa and BLM are protected, go right ahead. We need to vote accordingly and defend our hometowns, not go out looking for trouble.
Luckily AntiFa is officially a terrorist organization now, it will take time to see any kind of repercussions. Young pedes have yet to catch on to how bone crushingly slow government moves....
oh no, they where saying 'why?' when they were put on their knees and watched their family get a bullet to their skull and pushed into a shallow grave.
Gruesome, but it's true. You do what you have to do to protect your family, but I've read the books, I've seen the photos and how it all begins. This shit freaks me the fuck out.
Did you see the 'security' in CHAZ execute a dude the other day? It's straight out of the commie playbook where guards would just shoot someone just because they felt like it.
You got downvoted but you are absolutely correct.
This is what happened in Russia, China and Cambodia.
The average person had to go to work in the fields, whilst they sent their children to schools, where the Communists indoctrinated them and made them hate their own parents.
The Cultural Revolution in China alone ended up with more than 50 million people dead and it was lead by the young indoctrinated Maoists against the old.
Same excuse back then too.
Why didn't someone stop them?
Well, you see, they were working while the society around them was burning down.
In the end, it didn't matter anyways.
They were killed, their bodies in shallow graves.
So yeah, fuck this "we're working" excuse.
it literally is i dont know why youre being downvoted aleksandr solzhenitsyn wrote a book about it
This is what he wrote:
We're not anywhere close to that yet, and we're armed. When the time comes, do you think there won't be patriots ready to shoot back? That's the difference between us and the Russians.
This. It's play by play communist takeover. These idiots don't know anything about what they're actually doing. Literal pawns.
You won't have a job to provide for your family if they are allowed to keep doing this. None of us will. And we will be killing each other over toilet paper and bread
You are both right, and wrong. Yes if thousands of Trump supporters suited up and put down these rebellions we could do it. However, once people start fighting violence with violence you will see the police, NG, FBI, ATF, etc all of a sudden start showing back up.
Once you go and oppose these people in the streets and fight violence with violence then it’s full steam ahead and you can’t stop until you have taken this country back.
That means a lot of blood will be shed on both sides, and it is not a guaranteed victory as outside forces will leap at the chance to support warring factions in the US.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying we aren’t ready to cross the Rubicon yet. We aren’t organized enough, we aren’t prepared enough, we aren’t committed enough.
I know a lot of people on here will get butthurt over this, but it is the truth. Yeah there are lots of people with guns who talk shit on the internet, but how many of them could actually go out and fight for an extended period of time?
If enough people are not organized, trained, and 100% committed then the movement will end up like CHAZ and fall flat on its face.
A few hundred vegans still won’t have much stopping power, kek.
How about snoop on their comms?
They're pretty open about it anyway.
Track them.
Find out who they are.
Keep it quiet.
Put together a report and send it to the Feds. And the police. And the state troopers.
And the governors, mayors, DOJ.
That's doing something -- IDing criminals, logging their crimes, but it isn't putting you in physical danger.
Decentralized mission planning.
Observe locally. Which of your neighbors are sympathizers? Who are flaming karens? Who is the based doctor? Know who you will protect and who you can give a spare rifle to so they have your back.
Start mapping your neighborhoods and know who the enemies are.
Kek
I appreciate the effort 😂
Soy vobiscum.
And we'll all die alone, because it's one thousand of them against one of us, then another of us, then another . . .
And if 1000 come after me I will definitely take more then a few with me. I am not scared. If 1000 come for you will you cry and beg or what is your point?
We only come out to bury commie zombies (after the CONFIRMED Death of Justice in America). Don't be in such a hurry. You'll probably have piles of memorials to jack off to by this time next year.
Perhaps hundreds of thousands of them. Or, dear God, even millions.
When it happens, be sure to remember you are literally related to every deceased Marxist combatant.
I won't be killing people for bread, I'll start shooting the astronomically overpopulated Deer.
Or raise animals. I'm vegan but I would do it if I had to
So why are you here and not there?
Hello fellow sparky
sparkies taking our jobs
Network technician. Sparkies are the one always screwing up our work. Wire nuts are not for CAT-6!
I hear you 😂
Hey man, we wrap those wire nuts up in about 800 layers of tape for you guys 😂
Incidentally, you make a living so half of it can be stolen and given to these violent thugs, and that goes for all actual taxpayers.
It's long past time for a tax revolt.
Welfare accounts for something like 60% of the total budget.
Social security, unemployment, and Medicare are not the same as welfare.
As it has always been through out history...although, the contractors have become corrupted though the endless wars
They also have the politicians on their side. A cop is facing death row for a clean shoot on camera.
You think any of us would be treated better? All while the terrorists go unopposed?
Either organize the revolution yourself or stfu about it.
NPR did exactly that last week. "Wordspeak"
So you going to come pay my house payment so that my family and children don't become homeless in the next 45 days if I quit going to work??? I mean since you all want us out there on the street and think that responsibilities and work aren't a good enough excuse when you have a family and children.... Which the overwhelming vast vast majority of us do
anyone with children know that they are your top priority no matter what... and no that doesn't mean their long-term future goals, of course that shit is very important to us too... but do you know what always trumps anything and everything else??? their immediate health and safety right here today. Right now....
I can't possibly imagine people with children saying that unless their spouse does all of the child-rearing and they don't have to do shit themselves, and/or are also rich...
I'm assuming by saying that that means that you're already out there in the street fighting back right?
I mean surely surely you wouldn't go saying something like that while you're actually still sitting in your own house not doing anything either... Surely not
historically, the national dominance of a particular ideology in america typically changes every 60 years or so.
So no I do not buy the notion that we cant shift the national discourse back in our favor without resorting to violence.
The liberals started their grip to power in the late 50s and early 60’s. Meaning their 60 years was due to end around 2016-2020. Well what do you know....
We arent witnessing the rising dominance of a liberal america, we already had that for the last 60 years. What we are witnessing is the final death throes of the liberal ideology.
Trump being elected was the straw that broke the camels back, why else do you think they literally went crazy? Yea, the liberals dominate our culture and institutions currently but they have for 60 years and ive seen us make great ground in the last 4 years. We ARE winning the battle.
they are squealing
I believe this is largely correct. There’s been a certain liberal cultural hegemony for the past 60 or so years which was easy to be blind to. We were too conditioned to it.
We’re still in the early stages of a turning, but the strongholds are showing existential cracks.
Academia is FUCKED. So many colleges soon to be insolvent and their intellectual credibility and stranglehold on knowledge and accreditation is rapidly eroding.
The rise of China as the soon to be dominant global power is FUCKED. By the inherent fragility of their system and the unsettling by Trump’s policies, CCP seems to be near to some existential event horizon.
The internet has of course played so large a part in usurping traditional media’s monopoly on discourse, but even as regards the replacing ruling bodies (Google, Facebook, etc.) the cracks are there. For all the purging and censorship, places like this website attest to the fact there is a limit on that power and a persistence of the user base. We’re still too early to see what role technologies like crypto will have in decentralizing networks away from the current monopolies, but I believe they will.
For all the rioting and statue pulling bullshit, they only get away with what they do because the media and Soros D.A’s covering for them. They don’t have a paramilitary faction strong enough for any external coup (In the 1917 Russian Revolution you had active duty units deserting en masse to revolt) and they don’t control the levers of federal power to get what they want just yet.
There’s long way to go and many are just waking up, but things don’t appear truly hopeless.
Hells yes
Bingo!
This x9000!
The left is in pure bait mode, trying to get us to show, what they think, are our "true colors" of hate and violence. When in, fact, thats at their very core.
Never underestimate the amount of left shilling and inciting right here on this forum!!!
Yes, CHOP was the perfect example of the bait, and Trump didn't fall for it. We should follow suit, to some degree. But also, Kudos to the lawyers defending their castle in Missouri
Exactly. Let's also stop pretending like they're winning. There's a difference between letting someone throw a tantrum and cry themselves out and "winning." Perhaps they have gotten a few temporary scalps (fallen statues for the moment, looted stores, corps bending the knee), but that literally is all just symbolism.
Exactly, they are.
Wait a minute, I was told White Christian conservative males are the "System". Are you saying they...lied?
I understand all of that. However, they didn't just take over institutions in the last month and a half. They are trying to do more but in many ways they are cutting off their nose to spite their face- they just don't realize it yet. You also have to ask yourself, "What exactly are they winning?" Their propaganda is more obvious and irritating than ever.
I know statues are just the beginning. Other people see that too. That's my point. No tangible victories yet, only symbolic stuff. Just because we aren't meeting them tit for tat on every little thing just yet doesn't mean they are actually gaining ground.
These are Democrat run cities, so they're not exactly "ours" to lose. I live in a leftist shithole I get it that it's frustrating. But we aren't losing ground in urban areas and we certainly aren't losing ground in the outlying areas (suburbs) as all this cultural Marxism goes on.
Trump's base is also not being terrorized any more or any less than the last 4 years. These rabid lunatics have moved on to normal people, pancake mixes and shit like that. They aren't winning right now they are simply chumming the shit out of the waters with the intent of sowing chaos and division. If you don't see that then you don't know what winning looks like.
If they were winning, there wouldn't be rioting in the streets. How that isn't obvious to everyone, I don't know.
You've got it exactly backwards. They're rioting in the streets because nobody is willing to stop them. They're fucking winning. Statues are coming down, building, streets and maybe cities are getting renamed, people are getting shot in the fucking street with no consequence, they've occupied part of fucking Seattle and every corporate entity in America is sucking their dicks.
Does that sound like losing?
He's not wrong and you're not wrong. If you wanna be hands off about the govt because you have to work and raise kids, then maybe pray for a totalitarian style govt you don't have to think about and hope for a benevolent dictator.
...I mean conservatives cheered and encouraged soldiers to go to war to defend our freedoms(to die and get forever maimed for our rights)...
And yet conservatives themselves are afraid to even speak about someone(whom the voted for) who is keeping the dregs at bay...
Did i forget to mention wars are not fought by childless men?
The reality is conservatives are cowardly and do not care about their country enough to defend it themselves
Rigghhtt...
Well that's your opinion. You have every right to have it.
Not opinion.
This has happened and continues to happen.
It's the literal definition of an opinion.... You don't get to rewrite definitions, pede.
Those who fought in the American revolution had families and homes to take care of too. The Founding Fathers too, they all had everything to lose with little chance of victory. But they risked it all for the dream of freedom.
I get that it's not exactly the same scenario now and there is no leader to organize patriots on the ground at this point. Also, now isn't the time for it while Trump is in office. However, as soon as Dems gain control again they will ensure that conservatives never have a chance again. They will manipulate and corrupt everything as they always do. There will come a time where patriots will need to organize and fight back. Either that or submit to a communist nation where our children's destinies are ruled by the state.
You're right, everyone is all talk, no action. But everyone has a trigger, everyone has a point of no return. Revolution/Civil War/Killing has a high threshold and shouldn't be engaged lightly but the pressure is building and there will be a flash point. In the revolution it was the shot heard around the world, in the civil war it was the election of Lincoln and later Fort Sumter. But the pressure keeps building and we all know it. Unless that pressure is released in a non violent way, we are heading for a fight. Voting might release that pressure or the 2020 election could be the trigger, just like the election in 1860. God I don't want this, nor should anyone. I don't want my children to die, but God damn it, I not going to live is some shitty Soviet knock off
They were lied to. Look at NAFTA, you had Perot telling everyone what was going to happen but both Bush Sr. and Clinton were for it. Perot convinced enough people that it swung the election for Clinton.
Look at Gay marriage, it took the Supreme Court reinterpreting the law to get that passed.
Or even the 1965 immigration act the Ted Kennedy said wouldn't change the demographics of the country.
Or the fact that illegal immigration has been a top concern for voters for 40 years, yet nobody before Trump actually did anything about it.
I can remember my parents ranting about these things when I was a kid, their political positions haven't changed but the politicians have.
In 20 years our kids will be repeating your words about us.
Youre an idiot they havent gained anything
what are YOU doing?
Time to defund welfare and make it very temporary and very strict, let these people starve. A society that allows the weak to prosper will become a weak society. That's the cold truth.
All joking aside, we seriously need to cut off the supply line of the enemy. Protesters are funded somehow while we have to work. Protesting is their work
Working right up until the cattle cars?
This is why they demonized and condemned the Crusades. The idea of organizing a resistance against armed anarchists and terrorists is considered radical. You'll see the excuses repeated over and over:
B and C are reality anyway. It's a vain threat.
A became precedent on 5/26. The first shots of the Civil War were fired then. It went hot already. How many beaten? Paralyzed? Killed? Lives ruined? Buildings burned? Businesses destroyed?
Authorities haven't been able to keep up with any of this except murders. "Only" 19 last I knew. 19 murdered, over one dead Fentanyl Floyd. And as horrible as that first video did look, Police bodycam footage has never been released. Why not? You'd think they'd want to erase all doubt. Not only is there real doubt about this one case, but a LOT of other recent ones that MSM has lied about to infuriate the masses.
IABS = Its All BullShit.
The zombie hordes can't be reasoned with. BLM says they want to rape us, kill us, and live in our houses after we're dead. We should believe them! antifa (BLM seems to be distancing themselves from them?) says they want to burn our houses down with us inside, and if we come out the angry mob kills us there. We should believe them, too. These are not our friends.
Soros money won't run out.
Provo is pretty scummy and crime filled. Very methy.
Issue is a lot of those really goodie goodie Mormons are Romney style. All fake for show happy.
They churn out a lot of depressed kids that turn to drugs.
On that note, having lived in this area for 20 years. If you want a girl that likes in the in butt date a moron girl with daddy issues.
I like how autocorrect changed Mormon to moron, lol.
Had a lot of moron girl friends in the past but none of them liked the butt.
100%. TRUTH
We are too comfortable in our homes. Believe it or not things are still not bad enough to get people to rise up yet.
Conservatives are by definition "'conservative." They won't lift a finger to fight until the war has come to their front yard.
Not taking the deep state bait...
He's right. You haven't noticed that this shit kicks off every four years, right before an election? The media would love nothing more than if right-wingers started opening fire on crowds of "peaceful," "anti-racist" protesters. I'm not saying people shouldn't defend themselves, but I think the driver in that white Excursion made the right choice in this particular case.
The left is sowing chaos, and if you respond with more chaos, you're playing right into their hand. That's what they want. In 2016 we had riots, cops being murdered in Dallas and Louisiana, Trump supporters violently attacked at rallies... and we weathered the storm. We showed them that their destruction and chaos only strengthened our resolve.
The left has had control of American culture for decades, and what you're seeing now is their desperate attempt to cling to that control. We know this has nothing to do with George Floyd. The issue of police killing unarmed black men is a made up problem; the number of instances last year was in the single digits (and it was higher during the Obama administration). The left "won" the culture war by convincing people with arguments and appealing to people's compassion... now that they see their control starting to wane, they're resorting to racial animus, violence, and chaos.
I know I may seem naive or crazy for saying this, but I'm actually optimistic. The reason things are getting so crazy is because we are so close to winning. There's old saying that goes something along the lines of: "a wounded tiger is more dangerous than a hungry one." Right now, the left is a wounded tiger, lashing out. All we have to do is keep our cool, and finish the job.
Have you not studied history? Like at all? Things don't get crazier because the other side is winning, it gets crazier because the liberals think they can get away with more drastic measures.
History shows that liberals escalate until they win. The first attack on Rome was a sniper inside a house. In the end it was 50 artillery shells bombing jospitals and churches.
The revolution of Mexico was disguised as a freedom movement and ended in genocide.
The left doesn't care if you fight back. They will kill you anyway if they can get away with it.
It's quickly heating up to that point anyway. Now that they are armed and firing at drivers, it gives us no choice but to be armed so that we can fire back. I'm certainly going to assume that any BLM crowd now has a few gunmen in it.
What the hell are you even talking about? Is this a reference to WWII?
I rest my case...
No that was when liberals led a revolution against the Pope. They started with civil unrests and protests then started a bloody war by shooting a Roman soldier. It ended when liberals surrounded Rome and bombed the city into submission. The population didn't want anything to do with the liberals so they saw civilians as legitimate targets.
Modern conservatives make the mistake of assuming the liberals will draw a line somewhere and say they won't cross it. But the liberals will not stop until they can bury conservatives.
History will tell you this.
You rest your case? I'm sure you're already aware of this, but Rome has a few millennia worth of history. Just because I don't what specific event you're being extremely vague about, doesn't mean I don't know history. It would be helpful if you mentioned a name or date... or at least narrowed it down to a particular century.
Yeah wtf?
They came for the Jews but I did nothing because I was not a Jew ...
Under no circumstances should anyone allow a group of lunatics to surround them.
Thanks, Romney. He encouraged this with his cringey af march through the streets with BLM when this bullshit all started. POS creep.
Well unfortunately our courts have determined that trying to drive away from maniacs with guns earns you a 400 year prison sentence if you're white.
James Fields needs to be freed. The precedent they set by giving him life in prison for self defense has been disastrous to this country.
Yeah that was fucked. The right needs to learn how to set the narrative, we're too reactionary. We wait for the left to set it then try to downplay their narrative. That is for losers.
Well said. Was thinking this the other day. Just look at trending section..literally reactive to the Leftist narrative.
Time to set the narrative. What do we need to do to free the poor soul that got 400 years for self defense in face of violent mob?
This
Welcome to our corrupted and subverted courts.
Hard to do when we're actively forced off of all mainstream media and even mainline social media. Look at where we are right now: a new site made because the largest news aggregation and forum-like site has spent four years actively suppressing us, capped off with a blatant cartel-type multi-company purge literally yesterday.
It's honestly reaching the point where there is no peaceful solution, and that should terrify everyone.
-John F. Kennedy
Remember that Jeff Sessions said James Fields defending himself against left wing terrorists qualified as domestic terrorism but said nothing about Antifa terrorists showing up armed to a peaceful protest and bashing people's heads in.
I really hope that piece of shit doesn't get elected back to the Senate.
Actually the law is on our side. In my State, we have to "be able to articulate a fear of death or severe bodily harm." Damned easy to do that in the current climate. Far easier than trying to justify shooting someone, or even pointing your gun at them. Which is complete bs! Doesn't matter if they're on public property, even just 20 or 30 people 40 feet away aren't going to be stopped by 2 shooters, unless one has a machine gun. I mean if everyone runs away at the first sound great, but these people are getting more used to operating with bullets flying around. If everyone were to charge, that's too fucking close. US Constitution does NOT protect intimidation, credible threat, or any of the bs that's happening now with these zombie hordes.
Rule of law needs to be restored. "Peacefully protest" out on a main thoroughfare, with a permit, so Police can plan in advance to have adequate presence. Otherwise they can show up with concentration of force at a time and place of their choosing, which will result in bloodbaths.
He's been taking lessons from that retard in NJ, I see
That's what the pedal on the right is for. It goes waaay down to the floor. Try it .. it really works.
With dozens of videos of cars surrounded by mobs, amazing so few of them have been injured. Physics is to thank for that.
Agree, see rioters and demonstrators, the only response is to gain distance via the gas pedal.
You right. I seen zombie movies. It never ends well. Zombies pretty much describes these drones.
Do not worry everyone. I’m sure Romney is nearby kneeling in solidarity with the shooter.
Pierre Delecto wants to know your location.
C’est moi
He is kneeling down to Soros who gave him a big chunk of money ...
Looters are people too, my friend!
and my mom thinks i am over reacting by buying 1k rounds of ammo.
This is 15 minutes from my house, no where is gonna be safe when the boog hits.
Women naturally push for the status quo to remain unchanged as it is in their and their offspring (real or potential) biological best interests. That’s why your mother is trying to talk you out of it. She thinks you’re putting yourself in danger. But we’re already in danger. It’s time for men to do what men do.
I fucking love that we finally have a place where we can just say simple truths like this instead of being gaslit and told that what is obvious isn't true and you're sexist if you acknowledge biological reality. The differences between men and women isn't just muscle mass and average height shit. There really are instinctual and psychological trends in both men and women that push us to do certain things more than the other gender.
Rrreeeeee
Hard times.
Create strong men.
Strong men create good times.
Historically they will adapt, settle down, and start new families with the conquerors. It takes a lot of parenting and respect for their own fathers to overcome that tendency to value security over fighting for community.
Depends on the woman, I want more ammo.
Possible Unicorn Sighted!
https://youtu.be/bbpGkrViOcE
Nope, above a 5 crazy so I am wife zone. My husband says I am not crazy, but he is just easy to please. If most women were not idiots he never would have still been single when I met him. Totally ripped, genius, humble and kind. Also has common sense and got a math PhD in 3 years, 2 accepted publications and missing half his prereqs in his 40's as a midlife crisis. Now he is merely extremely fit in his 50's. Also rides motorcycles and owns 5. Idiot girls just looked at the bad hairstyle, ugly glasses and awful clothes. I fixed all that. Some things can be changed in a man. It still blows my mind that women were not chasing him down, when I met him I snagged him so fast he did not even see it coming because I knew I would never meet a man of his caliber again. 32 years of marriage and I still feel that way.
This is great, thank you! Glad to read he’s keeping in shape and has someone who loves him dearly. I’m still working on just the one motorcycle myself, but I love it!
His story sounds similar to mine. I had no fashion sense until my 30’s. It all worked out. Also found someone similar to yourself. Very content! Thanks again!
Awww so sweet. We met at 23 on vacation and he did not want to move to date me, so we got married at 24. Very young, but I didn't want him to slip through my fingers.
Shits gettin real.
Shit is VERY real.
Lol I don't exactly have $12,000 lying around to buy that much ammo, but I'm still trying to build up what I already have when I can.
Likely going to buy more soon, as long as my usual places have any in stock
Here in Canada at my local gun shop they ran out of quite a few types of ammo when Canada declared a lockdown due to covid. The guy behind the counter said that so many Americans were stockpiling ammo, that ammo manufacturers didn't have much left over to sell to Canadian retailers.
1k rounds is really nothing. It's basically harder to buy in increments smaller than that, at least for 9mm.
Yeah the media likes to hype it up when someone is found with "a thousand rounds of ammunition," but the reality is that's just the common denomination it's sold in. It's like saying someone was found with 12 beers... well, yes, because they're sold in 12 packs.
No need to tell Mom this, but 1k rounds may not be enough. You sure you have the best round? Probably not for everything, right? How many do you need to shoot a week to stay in top form? Horde enough for a year, plus however many needed for potential actual use. Plus that other round that serves a different function ;)
They're animals, and need to be handled as such.
If you take a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the primary difference between dog, and man. — Mark Twain
That's exactly what my husband says.
.... and still nobody is talking about or going after the organizers and sponsors of these terrorists. I bet it would take all of about 3 hours for the internet to track down proof of who is behind these attacks on Americans .. an easy RICO case.
Corrupt or incompetent, our DoJ is a fucking joke.
Complicit. They'll prosecute anyone who stands against this, while allowing it to run wild.
Anarcho tyranny
The same person has ran the last several protests in Utah. There's even a photo caption of her in articles for this story. Since the crowd was fairly small the entire time, its easy to spot her in this video.
To the surprise of everyone, she works at Amazon.
"We are." We who? You have Soros in your sights?
Right. How is who going after the organizers? I mean if somebody can ID some criminal on video, great. Hard to do in black block but it's been done before. (Bikelock Professor being a great example) Are the chans on this, and making progress?
In which court? Barr "Epstein's death was a suicide" isn't going to do anything.
As soon as Billy is done rounding up all them Boogaloo Boys, he'll get right on it.
A meme on weekendgunnit or a vast right wing terrorist group, Billy can't tell the difference.
Barr is a fucking JOKE.
We all know it.
You're a fucking joke, moron.
Barr is the US AG, not Utah AG.
Sounds like you like excuses a lot.
That's what pointing out the FACT that the Utah AG is the chain of command sounds like to a moron.
GOATUS wants the moronic voters to learn that elections have consequences, so that they don't keep electing Demorats. You're helping them, moron.
They are vermin. Stop insulting animals.
Funny you should bring that up, this specific protest was organized by an Amazon employee
Amazon is matching each employee’s BLM donations up to $10,000
How do we know this organizer?
Trying to not directly dox since we've got media entities looking for stories in .win right now, but in the news article for this story you find a captioned picture of a black woman in a red sweater with a megaphone. Look for other news articles with her name and you'll find she's been organizing tons of protests in Utah this year.
Lets just say her name is unique amongst Utah residents, and her Popular Professional NetLINKING Website is public. Can't archive it though because it's captcha'd.
You can archive a screen shot.
This is awesome :)
Not only can it, it's going to.
Take a look at all nested replies in the top comment here. A whole lot of "We'll do something when it's right outside our door. Not a second before, not even organizing or planning. I'm going to work and pay my bills and go on with my life as normal until the second the mob is right outside and then I'll start acting".
You know what an enemy calls it when they know exactly what you are and are not willing to do, how you'll do it, when you'll do it, when you won't, and has the power to choose the ground, the terms, the timing, and the conditions of the battle because you've told all of them this?
A juicy fucking opportunity. The Left knows that we aren't going to do jack shit at all, not even talk to each other and come up with theoretical plans, until the precise moment Conditions A, B, C, D, and E are all met for us. The Left knows that they can get away with absolutely anything they want as long as they avoid meeting all of those conditions we told them are the only way we'll react, and they have the power to freely move about, plan, organize, prepare, equip, control communications lines, and then choose on their own terms when to finally meet all of those conditions on purpose, provoke the exact response we broadcast to them ahead of time, and deal their prepared counterblow.
We've all decided to fence ourselves inside tiny little encampments on the battle field with big front gates, and then shouted from the hilltops that we're not going to form lines of battle, we're not going to try to gain any ground, we're not even going to try to pick a more advantageous battlefield. We've shouted at the top of our lungs to the whole enemy that our Plan A is to prepare for a siege, as cut off and unorganized individuals no less, and that only an attack on the front gate will be met with any force at all, and that our Plan B is fuck that we don't need a Plan B, anyone who even mentions coming up with a Plan B is a fearmongering cuck.
So they move their troops around into positions, get their equipment set up in advance, scope out the entire battlefield, seize all unclaimed ground, seize routes of supply and communication, send out their battle plans to all their troops, and then they get to pick the exact time, place, and manner in which the battle begins, and they know exactly what our plan of defense is ahead of time because we fucking told them.
Ah but fuck it. TL;DR right? We all have to work in the morning anyways, I'm sure it'll just work itself out and be fine. We do have millions of beautiful little Maginot Lines prepared for the attack. It'll be fine.
It's not the Antifags that are the problem. They're the tool. The hand wielding the tool is far more intelligent and dangerous. And we've tipped our entire hand to them ahead of time.
Most people have a job, most protestors likely don't have a job. There's a minority of loud obnoxious people with a lot of time on their hands. Sane, hard working, level-headed Americans have responsibilities. There's also really tricky cost / reward situation going on.
For example, I work for a SF tech company. If I publicly speak against BLM, or the protests, I would be fired. Full stop, without question. We literally have classes on inclusion we need to take, we're told we should add BLM tags to our email signatures, etc.
I make very good money. What would distress me more? BLM protests and all the bullshit? Or being unemployed in the middle of all this shit going on? Sorry, but I'm going to stay silent and collect my oversized paycheck
you are a bitch.
The thing is that they know all this but by their very nature they will keep pushing until they meet all those conditions. They know exactly how far they can go before they'll get a response but they're not capable of staying within those boundaries.
What we have to be doing now is mentally fortifying ourselves to remember that once those conditions are met and action starts that we absolutely cannot stop once we start. We have to be mentally willing to take ALL necessary measures to prevent this from ever happening again.
Welcome to Denver, Bozeman, Jackson, Boise, etc...
Am in Denver (well, the metro, not Denver proper), can confirm. Can also confirm that I'm prepped and loaded should the next round of riots spread out into my area.
I got a call from a friend out near Tooele that BLM were coming to demonstrate and destroy a veteran's memorial. We made sure word got out, people showed up in large numbers to stop them and nothing happened. They are cowards and wherever they are outnumbered they back off. Provo just does not have enough good people to stand up to them. Yucaipa stopped them as well.
Sad thing is, they'll probably try to arrest you for doing this.
That’s the process. Everyone gets at least detained after a self defense act.
Tell that to James Fields.
Yes well
Or resist arrest, die in a struggle, and rely on the woke to riot for you.
Seems legit
But you would win the court case
The guy at Charlottesville was sentenced to 400 years in jail for doing pretty much exactly what OP suggested.
Two blocks away, where he came from, there are videos of communists breaking windows out of cars and attacking the drivers. There is a twitter post from a communist professor thanking Spikes Tactical for his rifle, that he claims in the post he used to threaten James Fields and chase him towards that crowd. The entire day had hundreds of videos showing extreme violence up to and including makeshift flamethrowers being used. There is video evidence of damage to his vehicle before he hit anyone. There is video evidence of him swerving around people and hitting the brakes at various times, which isn't what you do if you want to strike those people. I don't know what was in Field's heart, but I do know that there's plenty of exculpatory evidence and it's clear that he got absolutely railroaded.
This SUV had a thousand feet too at some point; they weren't threatened, until they were. Is it ok to ask why they didn't just turn around and avoid this? No, it's immoral to ask victims why they didn't do something else to avoid a situation. I'll afford Fields the same leeway any other victim gets; no expectation of perfection or anything close to it. If the mob doesn't want to get plowed over, they should avoid being violent.
Not at all. Whether Fields defended himself or intentionally tried to hurt people is an honest question. The conclusion I require is that Fields was railroaded, because it's plainly obvious. When the judge directs who your lawyer will be and you get nine years for hit and run, or five seventy year sentences for hitting someone, there isn't much room to pretend otherwise.
Also, there are far too many recent examples of people being given wildly out of line sentences (Stone), and judges/juries doing everything in their power to convict the innocent (Flynn), to pretend our system is above it. Shit's fucked bruv.
Did you not see the mob of people chasing after him? You can see them at around the 7 second mark in this video.
https://youtu.be/l2NEIBEQq74
Hawaii judge says no.
Go to supreme court? Judge cuck Roberts says no.
This election is the most important of our time.
After spending $100k plus on lawyers and your employer fires you and the media destroyed your life. 🤔🤨😵
...after losing your carreer and getting publicly smeared by the media.
Now that I'm looking at dashcams, yes
Most likely.
Don't make a statement without your lawyer.
I'd rather be in jail than dead.
In my county though, I'd be fine. Can't say the same for elsewhere
Don't wait for them to surround.
The fact that the driver didn't just got wide open throttle as soon that faggot shot is crazy to me.
If I was in that position I'd stop giving a shit about hurting any of them them second one tried to shoot me.
He probably didnt even notice with all those scumbags hitting his car.
Someone discharges a hand gun less then 10 feet from you, you will notice.
It's shock.
Why wait for them to shoot? Holding still is the worst possible choice. They can make you have a very bad day without a gun.
I'm an ideal world you are right.
Me personally I don't want tk try to prove to a jury I feared for my life enough to open the throttle all the way, without there being bullet holes in my car.
I'd rather be dead then do a life sentence.
There are several ways to handle that. One is getting the heck out of there may not need to floor it. And you aren't likely to kill anybody anyway. (In a full sized cargo van, I'm much more likely to since there's no hood to hop up on) All these videos, the people hit pop right back up. So life sentence probably isn't a thing. Another is Police have given us some good examples of nudging people, not at all slowly or gently, they're sent flying but hurt less. And they still manage to get out of there. 4 or 5 foot surge, then quick stop, then another surge, avoiding actually running over anybody. Maneuver through the thinnest part of the crowd, not swerving to hit as many as possible. Also not stopped dead helping a shooter get a bead on you. This driver is lucky she was "only" hit in her shoulder, guarantee you that's not what the shooter was aiming for. Another point is if you're going to be a martyr, don't fall to the crowd, inspiring them further.
In my State the requirement is to "be able to articulate that you were in fear for your life or severe bodily injury." In this climate that's a given. 20 people can't be stopped if they're determined, not with a gun or anything else. That's also true when they're 40' from your home. Even with 2 shooters you're in an indefensible position. They've told us they want to not merely kill us, but rape us first and live in our homes after we're dead. And they don't mean they just want to rape your wife.
We should believe them when they tell us what they want to do.
We need to plan and organize. Giving in to the crowd and letting them kill us is not a successful plan.
That driver is lucky to be alive. That commie-cock-loving piece of shit took aim, tracking the driver before firing -- definitely trying to kill them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the most prominent body part seen through a vehicle's window the head?
Truth, but at such close range, how could anyone with even minimal firearms training miss?
Oh, wait....
Don't tell them, also most gang bangers don't use hollow points, that is why so many survive.
He did in fact get hit. In the shoulder.
We never slow down again. It's not legal to go swerving to hit more people than necessary, but we can get the fuck out of there.
Wow! No brakes for sure.
It looks to me like green mask taps blue hat as he approaches the car to get blue hat to move out of the way.
Looks like blue hat and green mask were working together at another shooting too!
https://twitter.com/ProvoPolice/status/1278021858491695104
https://twitter.com/nonconsensus/status/1278056547487068160
Shooter looks trained
Dont think a trained shooter would miss from that close. Maybe the window deflected it a bit, but that driver is lucky to be alive.
Antifa hosts "defense" classes where they teach people how to fight, how to make weapons, ect. They are poorly trained, bu they have a strategy that consists of isolating their opposition, attacking when they are off guard, and running away.
Fair point, buy look how he's holding the gun and tracking the driver. Driver was hit and is very lucky.
Twitter replies to the source video are trying to say he RECKLESSLY PLOWED through the group, completely ignoring that
A "protester" brought a loaded firearm to a demonstration 2 blocks east of the city police department HQ
The assailant fired when he personally was not in danger, then fired again after the vehicle was no longer a threat to anyone
The assailant did not exercise reasonable caution in avoiding "friendly fire", as there were people on all four sides of the vehicle he shot into, then put more in danger as he fired wildly down the street into the rear of the departing vehicle
And only one of the protesters filed a report saying they had been injured by the driver. It didn't merit medical attention. The driver, however, went to the hospital.
BECAUSE HE WAS SHOT BY A PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATOR FIGHTING AGAINST UNNECESSARY ESCALATION OF VIOLENCE BY POLICE
Driver moves out of the way of communists. He could have easily put it in low and gone towards the communists.
Oh right that was another gaslight they attempted, that he went up on the sidewalk and intentionally aimed for bodies. That's an empty turn lane and the light was green.
It's like none of them watched the video.
Trumps period of inaction is start to reach the end of its effectiveness. While I am not the 4D chess master, the people aren’t going to tolerate this kind of weakness much longer.
I can only trust he knows what he is doing.
Edit: Thank you for the insightful replies. Lots of great things to consider, pedes.
He is President not King.
Mayors, Governors, etc, need to step up and do their job.
FOR TOO LONG Police Chiefs and Mayors have been doing a TERRIBLE job with "just stand down" policies.
This is very key. The President in theory can do a lot, but that doesn't mean he should. Local leaders are the failures for not calling in for help.
I’d rather he just fucking fix the problem and then he can campaign about how he can get things done.
He can't just fix the problem, he HAS to let it get terrible.
Think of this.
You get a new landlord. He comes in your place while you aren't home, and says "I heard about a leak in here, so I came to fix it. It's fixed." You're going to be pissed that he was in your house without your permission or you being there.
Now, same scenario. But this time you see floor is flooded. Wet clothes, carpet, towels.....and you see he has a pump going, cleaning up the mess and says "I heard there was a leak, it was pretty bad, but I fixed it before the entire place flooded." You're going to be so grateful that he took care of it.
If Trump would have busted these idiots up early on....or even now, it's still too soon. The public have to get angry. The public have to see how big, and how bad the problem is, and they have to get vocal about it.
Then, he can take care of it, and he'll be a hero. If he does it now the left will say "Look, he's attacking citizens with the military!"
We know how terrible and violent antifa is. But most other americans don't.
In just the past few days I've changed my own stance on the CHAZ/CHOP, and on stopping/slowing for "protestors".
If they start to set up a CHOP in my town, I'm going to organize an ARMED resistance to tear it down immediately the moment they try to put up a border.
If I'm driving and protestors are blocking the streets, I'm just going to put on my hazards and keep rolling at the posted speed limit while holding down the horn, because once you slow down, then they surround you and attack you.
Afterwords I'll contact a lawyer and let him/her handle it. I won't make a statement without a lawyer there.
Now a week ago, I wouldn't have done anything. But after seeing all these videos of the leftist violence, I will refuse to become a victim.
you and me both brother
you cant run as the law and order candidate if you were actively president while this bullshit was going on. it's been a month of this nonsense, put it down
Let's follow this logic. So he sends in the national guard. The lefties escalate to the point where you may see bricks, bombs, or live ammo coming from the crowds. The national guard is forced to respond in kind. Some young retards die. The media then frames it as Trump sending in the national guard to kill young kids, he loses the election, and everything goes according to their plan.
The whole purpose of these riots is to make Trump lose the election. Don't play right into it.
that might have been true at the outset although i personally doubt it
we've spent a month watching innocent people get wounded or killed by these rioting mongs while lives have been destroyed and businesses utterly demolished
if you're still hung up on "oh my god the media might actually air negative ads against the president that's never happened before" after a month of this how many more people need to get their lives ruined first?
you cant run as the law and order candidate if you were actively president while this bullshit was going on. what do you think is worse? CNN running negative ads against the president for the 8 millionth time, or establishing precedent that you can force the government to come to a screeching halt for anything up to and including putting down deadly riots in an election year for fear they'd do something that could cost them an election? is it better to have a legacy of doing the right thing and being shamed for it or standing by doing nothing while you had the power to protect people? why don't you ask the deputy at parkland who stood outside the building doing nothing but listening to the screams while the shooting was going on?
The media have been negative the whole time, sure, and so far they've failed to pierce the armor.
And no one blames Trump for that because BLM is doing it. If it's the national guard that changes.
They've been trying to say Trump is a tyrant since the beginning. No one believes them. The governors are against him. If he sends in the military without their permission, then suddenly the media has a story to run with that looks true. Trust in Trump. He knows what he's doing. If it got bad enough he would go in no problem, but right now things are not at that point and sending in the military or national guard is overkill.
He just needs to continue sending the feds in to pick off Antifa one by one. They are the ones riling up the crowds. As far as the looters go in general, that's something the police need to take care of. Even NYPD doesn't want Trump to send in the calvary at the moment, because they can handle it on their own as long as the local government actually prosecutes people.
But Trump is currently president, what would change in 2020 that would make this stop?
Provo isn't a Democrat state with a Democrat mayor.
What would change is he wouldn't be a few months away from an election anymore. The purpose of the riots is to make him lose. Once he gets in again, he can crackdown as hard as he likes because there is no third term.
Flexibility to do something politically unpopular. Safety is something that 100% of the voters support.
Not your normal LARP comment here, did you forget to change accounts? :)
WHAT A STRANGE GAME. THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY. - Wargames
Wow. I'm surprised BLM protests have traction in Utah. I was there for two weeks just recently and I don't think I saw more than two black people the entire time.
I'm sure this will make national news because of the shooting. .... ...yea.... that part was a joke.
This isn’t and never was a black issue. It’s a skinsuit for white marxists to push their revolution. That’s why you’re seeing this happen around the world.
It needs to be put down now. A militia easily outnumbers and outguns these groups. Once they see the real life consequences and firepower, I bet they stop.
Honestly, that video probably represents the entirety of the black community here. Most of those kids are traveling down there from University of Utah.
Or imported from out of state.
Likely they were brought in from out of town/state.
Oh, there are tons of youth in Utah, so they exist in state.
BYU has plenty of leftie idiots
Not a black issue. Its white liberals using a black movement to bring socialism to America. They travel around.
Come on up to Ogden, we have more, we also are not so cucked and have not had issues as our police showed up en mass and made sure our tine protests were under control. Ogden PD is really quite good. Provo and SLC have serious issues.
These motherfuckers stand in front of vehicles, they basically just kind of stand around when they hear gunshots. Where is the flight or fight response? It's an entire generation of retards
They do that because that's what they were programmed to do by whoever is running this simulation.
That's because they're probably being mind-controlled and coordinated not to, I'm being half serious.
"Where is the flight or fight response?"
Perhaps they knew what was going to happen before it happened.
That's exactly what I was thinking! Nobody ran, nobody ducked, nobody screamed. Are they all high? Maybe it's a .22 that doesn't sound very loud?
Zombies
Provo and Salt Lake have been going leftward for YEARS now (SLC had an openly gay and hard-left mayor back in 2007 or so if memory serves - Rocky Anderson I think his name was.)
So, yeah, lots of lefties up in there these days.
BYU students are no longer overwhelmingly conservative
Academia is the root of the problem. While they're allowed to brainwash freely, their marxist revolution will never stop.
What a loss
Suburban Utah suffers with being close to the liberal west coast, having rich liberal elites descend on their ski towns and having little to none of the violent inner cities of the Midwest or south. It’s the perfect storm of the cancerous genesis of liberalism and a perfect example of “good times create weak men”.
Lesbian mayors for 10 years now in SLC. It's another leftist shithole I won't set foot in again. There is a huge homeless problem in downtown SLC and they just keep building more free housing for them and wondering why they keep on coming. I grew up in Provo and they welcome illegals for the cheap labor. The LDS church lures them up from South and Central America due to their church welfare system. Even worse is the influx of high tech workers coming from Silicon Valley/ Seattle/ Portland and bringing their Marxist values with them to our "Silicon Slopes". R.I.P. Utah.
I agree with you on the welfare point. I hate it that our bishops just hand out food and money to anyone just because they ask. The bishop storehouse and welfare are for people that live in the area, not those that moved to take advantage of it. I wish more would put stipulations on the money and food, like...GET A JOB!
I have followed the exMormon subreddit for years. Over time I witnessed it going further and further left, to the point of crazy and I reduced my time on there.
My opinion is the Mormon church is partly responsible for creating these leftists. Please hear me out. As Jordan Peterson says, any organization can become too conservative, too rigid, too ossified, which leads to corruption, an unwillingness to change, and for its members can feel like living in a prison with few freedoms.
This happened with a bunch of scandals with Mormon higher-ups and their doctrines. It created a large ex-Mormon group. Most wanted just a little more freedom to live and to think for themselves. However, a subsection of the exMormons went even further, rejecting many good principles of the church, and ended up hard leftists. Social activists emerge either from the outside or from within and lead people to do stupid shit like we see in the video. People like the shooter may be a subgroup of the subgroup - willing to initiate violence, or he may be an opportunist attaching himself to the cause.
I lived behind the Zion Curtain for a decade (not LDS, tho; I lived up around Ogden). I nearly sprained my neck nodding in agreement.
The Church is a wreck, and yes, they did it to themselves. Can't fully blame the upper hierarchy, since that strident attitude reached all the way down to the bishops in many cases (I was once told point-blank that I would never get into a management position unless I had a Temple Recommend. As someone who no-shit worked for the state at the time, that was a bit of a shock. Note that it was once law that you could not sue the state for religious discrimination.)
So, far from being heretical (pardon the pun), I think you're dead-on.
The moment a swarm tries to surround your vehicle, you should have the right to remove your vehicle from the swarm, even if you have to run someone over. Your car is part of your castle, and them laying siege means your life is at threat.
In some states (all?) it’s legal to keep driving through a mob. It’s self defense.
NC is one: https://www.charlottestories.com/nc-house-just-passed-hb-330-allowing-drivers-legally-hit-protesters-block-roads/
TN also: http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/110/Bill/SB0944.pdf
Remember: If the mob surrounding your car is hostile and threatening, those people are no longer a group of protesters. They’re terrorists.
Agreed: https://twitter.com/PeterGriffinAcc/status/1266555565498654720
https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch40/sect18-4009/
I believe this is why we haven't seen this shit in Idaho...yet.
We DO have that right! Check your State laws, but the only sensible option is to get the f out of there, FAST.
Oh man those comments are straight AIDS!!! There are actually people defending the mob!!! WTF kind of clown world are we living in!?!?!?!???
The sltrib is shill central. Hence why nobody reads them and they've been at risk of going out of business for some time.
Two fronts. Four rears.
I think by not heading this off sooner we're being doomed to a civil war. I guess a civil war or race war is better for them than a class war though.
Civil war went hot 5/26. It's only a question of in which area.
Everyday more and more crazy shit is happening in the streets. It isn't just liberal cities anymore. The chaos is spreading and they are feeling emboldened by our inaction. We are pussies just hoping someone will stop this nonsense. So far, so good where I live, but I feel for the people having to live through this. We sit here and wait for Trump to do something? What is he going to do? Not one democrat has been held accountable legally for all of the crimes they committed. Trump is a lone wolf surrounded by unhelpful people that stifle his agenda. We are fucked. We barely have our heads above water. No one supports this violence but here we are allowing it to go on week after week. I just don't get it. Status quo is not working. These people have a full court press going on and no one is playing defense. It is sad and disheartening. Maybe someone can make a lit meme about it.
We need Castle Doctrine for vehicles, NOW!!!! Also, get your vehicle cams and install them so the liberal judges can't screw you in court. This is escalating, we are far from done.
Check your states laws. Only in occupied territories is a car not a castle.
And in the occupied territories, the duty to flee usually exists. Which means driving through...
So either way, you should be covered.
Utah signed something last year regarding physical barricades (ironically, critics of the bill were like "but Utah doesn't have protests!"), but best I could find regarding pedestrians:
Yeah, the Democrat super majorities in many state debates will get right on that. “But what about the conservative states?!”
🤣🤣
How can you tell the difference?
Dashcams are a priceless utility these days. I recommend the VIOFO A119 V3 with a 128gb Samsung Pro Endurance for an affordable kit you can order today.
Thanks, plan on getting some.
Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap life is expensive.
Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend.
Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, But they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
Watch their hands, hands kill.
The faster you finish the fight the less shot you will get.
Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everybody you meet.
And my warhammer!
Time to make it 100% legal to plow down people swarming your car
Relevant meme: https://twitter.com/PeterGriffinAcc/status/1266555565498654720
It already is. The only limitations are, you can't swerve to hit more than necessary, and (in my State) you have to be able to articulate that your life was in danger or you were in fear of severe bodily harm.
In this environment? That should be really easy. A crowd of even just 20 - 30 is hard to stop.
I thought it was illegal to carry a gun and cover your face... seems like a reasonable law.
Covid dude. Now it's legal to be masked and armed
I just pretend I'm a bank robber now.
That's such a vaguely amusing side effect of the Chinavirus panic - it is now socially acceptable, nay, encouraged to walk around in public wearing a blue Adidas tracksuit and black balaclava with a CZ 9mm stuck in one's waistband.
"But, but our Senator, he supports BLM and marched against the President! The Honorable Senator from Utah, Willard Mitt Romney!"
WAKE UP MORMONS
Oh come on, most people I know here hate Romney, not all of us are the idiots in Provo. He didn't even win the convention nomination because the delegates all knew his history. He lied lied lied and had the press behind him to get elected.
Romney has like 60% approval ratings in Utah.
Seriously? Anyone who did one iota of research into Romney's track record instead of believing what he said would have known better. I voted 3rd party. This is why delegates are better overall at selection
No, it should be "wake up Morons."
He was being chased by the same kind of mob when he hit that obese walking heart attack. Should have never even been charged.
He never hit her. She died from having some dude give her CPR after she fainted. She was next to the car, not near enough to get hit.
the dumbfuck intentionally killed people, don't be so charitable to him
You should dig deeper than the headlines of the propaganda companies that call themselves "The News" before you comment. One person died, and that person was not even stuck by a vehicle - she died of heart failure. A man was railroaded and imprisoned over an event just like this one, solely to give the Left a propaganda victory.
Yeah he got hosed. Is the guy locked up even the driver? There's a .001% chance.
And the person hit didn't die from being hit.
What the Hell!!
STL Tribune is full of leftist commenters. Not worth reading.
They think a dude not in front of a very slowly moving truck was so at risk of bodily harm while he committed a crime that he had to fire into the truck. Stand your Ground - while totally precluding what the laws actually say.
Also, was there a second gunman?
If the Mormons could go ahead and take up arms to defend themselves that would be great.
Arrest Mitt Romney.
"Arrest" eh? Can we transport him via helicopter after his arrest? Asking for my friend, Pinochet
How about we relocate him to a shithole country since he doesn't believe they exist.
“Peaceful Protesters”
Shooting peaceful bullets. At point blank range. Hit driver in the shoulder.
I belive he drove himself to hospital
You can't point your gun at dozens of people screaming and cursing at you on the lawn of your beautiful home. But you can actually fire your gun at random motorists on the public roads.
Actually I think the couple is fine. This guy did more than point, and he shot the driver in the shoulder. I'm sure the shooter will be prosecuted if he's ever found.
That driver didn't respect the protester's right to peacefully fire on whitey!
How dare that old white man appropriate that bullet!
Install infrared LEDs around your license plates. The human eye can't see them but they appear on cameras and blur out the area if they are bright enough.
WTF are the cops doing about this?? The police chief should be FIRED as this is not Seattle. I am sick and tired of these spoiled brat punks thinking the rest of us give a shit about their protests and block the streets asking for a fight.
Better yet, the police department is two blocks away.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2335846,-111.6586111,3a,75y,320.12h,80.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st9ev9smVLTy-8HaMwRfPbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
(head west, look south)
There is nothing more fitting than seeing this happen to the place that voted for Romney. Shocker.
Slay them all.
Mostly peaceful. Except for the bullets.
Bullets of peace
Pierre Delecto could not be reached for comment...
I was in Provo on that street yesterday driving with my family. Scares the hell out of me imagining some "protester" shooting into my vehicle for trying to drive through an intersection. WTH is going on in America.
Me too, friend. I was just down the street from there on Monday, probably a few hours before the protest.. I am beyond pissed off that this shit is coming to my town.
https://twitter.com/NiasDiad/status/1277866178048700416
I didn't even see that one! Is the guy at the end of the clip also firing as the truck drives away?
I'm at a total loss for words. "Protesters" are now firing guns at random civilians. What is happening?
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Look at all the fucking idiots flocking to get run over. RUN ME OVER! RUN ME OVER! This is how you can change your life in an instant....not for the better. Dont be a dumbass people. Teach your kids not to be a fucktard like these asshats.
With no job and a useless degree, you could probably get everyone to agree that these people getting hit by a car is an improvement of circumstance
You're thinking it, I'm thinking it. This ends when the actual fighting starts.
Possibly
I’m so worried about my trip to Eugene next week. I’m going to spend some time with my boyfriend. I told him if this shit happens while I’m in the car, people will be ran over and trip is over.
He told me won’t let it happen. We shall see.
You should be fine, stay out of any downtown areas.
You have the right idea about running them over. Just don't swerve to hit more than necessary. But FLOOR it!
Re: the "trip is over" part. Can you shift plans to go somewhere other than Eugene? There's SO much in that area ... normally it's a nice ski town. Btw telemark skiing is cheap af, and the season there starts on Memorial Day
He is gonna take me to beach and some of the lakes. Don’t know what else but my birthday is on the 12th and I don’t wake up with the intent to defend myself from these fuckers but I will.
But the reason I spent much more money on flying directly into Eugene is because I want fuck all nothing to do with Portland.
Beach and lakes it is! I'm jealous. What a beautiful part of the world. Happy birthday! Just in passing, if you can't have your own gun there, my last line of defense is a mini sledge hammer in my strong hand and a 10" flat blade screwdriver in the other. Absolutely brutal if it ever needs to be used. Doesn't take that much force with either to seriously deter aggression. A hand held sledge comes to a blunt point on one end. 1.5 or 2# may be comfortable for you. Hopefully you don't even come close to thinking about needing it, but you're instantly much less of a victim than bare handed.
People getting to the breaking point in 3.
2.....
1 and a half.....
1.0000000000001
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Thank God he had good ole American built Ford battle tank. Imagine if he was in a soy boy micro car, he’d of been fucked. I bet in that Ford, if he ran one over he never felt it.
In these situations, run (over) first and ask questions later.
No questions to ask. FLOOR IT!
So, there is a black muslim community in the Mormon community? Or did soros send them there to kill a few white people?
It was your friendly neighborhood Antifa scumfucker: https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1278001442620489729
If you live in cities, and if you can do so, carry. Carry every day. Carry on your 5 minute drives, carry when you walk to the local gas station.
Shoot back