You rest your case? I'm sure you're already aware of this, but Rome has a few millennia worth of history. Just because I don't what specific event you're being extremely vague about, doesn't mean I don't know history. It would be helpful if you mentioned a name or date... or at least narrowed it down to a particular century.
It during the revolution led by Garibaldi from 1860 to 1870. The child murderer and executionor of unarmed civilians is a hero by the vile Italians.
Of course anything that isn't Italian was erased from mainstream history. You'll have to resort to reading books like Pope's Legion and finding old folk songs because the liberals erased anything they didn't like. Just like they're doing now in America.
That doesn't seem analogous to our current situation at all. In the mid 19th century, Italy wasn't a single country. The people were fighting for unification, democracy, and against foreign rule (namely, the Austrian Empire). I don't doubt there were despicable acts committed by horrible people—just like with the French revolution at the end of the 18th century—but that doesn't mean the Italians weren't justified in fighting a foreign government occupying their country.
I'm sorry what? The "people" were most definitely not fighting for unification. Literal foreigners caused riots and supplied a mob with weapons that proceeded to kill civilians and police alike. Then Savoy, a foreign nation that supported the mob, would claim it needed to protect civilians by sending in troops. Then people were executed for refusing to denounce their religion and leader.
democracy
There was no democracy. Savoy was a monarchy...
against foreign rule (namely, the Austrian Empire).
The Austrian Empire supported the revolution and gave Garibaldi ships. Only nation that helped the Christians was Belgium. France mainly pretended to help but withdrew support when the actual battles began.
that doesn't mean the Italians weren't justified in fighting a foreign government occupying their country.
There is so much wrong with this statement that I don't really know where to begin. Even if you're pro-Italian, it just doesn't make sense.
Guess it is a testimony to how well the liberals can distort history and hide their old tactics so it can be reused again.
Honestly I don't think America will even have a fight. Most people are either lazy and expect Trump to do everything or too delusional to realize Democrats are in the wrong. The states are turning into totalitarian governments and no one really cares. Eventually you will not be able to buy or sell unless you obey the state. Just ask Andrew Torba and take a look at the mandatory masks and quarantine laws. They've effectively removed due process while blacklisting the handful that will actually do something about the corruption.
At this point I just laugh when someone unironically says Garibaldi was good while also despising what is happening in America.
I'm sorry what? The "people" were most definitely not fighting for unification.
This seems to disagree with every history book written on the subject. The First Italian War of Independence in 1848 (which is when Garibaldi came to prominence as a military commander) was part of the Italian unification movement. The subsequent events into the mid 1860s were a continuation of that political movement for unification.
There was no democracy. Savoy was a monarchy...
One of the primary objectives of the Italian unification movement was to establish a Republic (which is a form of representative democracy). Savoy was an ally to drive the Austrians out of northern Italy, but that doesn't mean they were establishing a monarchy. When Britain allied with the US during "Operation Iraqi Freedom," does that mean they were trying to establish a monarchy in the US? In the end, they didn't succeed in establishing a Republic, but my point was that it was part of the impetus that lead to the First Italian War of Independence.
The Austrian Empire supported the revolution and gave Garibaldi ships.
Why would the Austrian Empire give ships to Garibaldi, when Garibaldi was fighting on the side of Savoy? Savoy (which was part of the Kingdom of Sardinia at the time) and Austria were on opposite sides of the conflict.
There is so much wrong with this statement that I don't really know where to begin. Even if you're pro-Italian, it just doesn't make sense.
Austria occupied Piedmont, Tuscany, and Romagna, until they were driven out in the Second Italian War of Independence (Austro-Sardinian War) in 1859. Are you saying that the war didn't happen, or that Austrians aren't foreign to Italy?
At this point I just laugh when someone unironically says Garibaldi was good
I never said that, and you know it. Stop lying about what I said. I never once used the word "good" to describe Garibaldi. In fact, I specifically said "I don't doubt there were despicable acts committed by horrible people," and went on to compare their movement to the French revolution, which I would consider to be a black eye on the history of France.
I consider myself to be pro-American, pro-liberty, and pro-Constitution. To that end, I am sympathetic to movements that attempt to overthrow monarchies, but of course I understand that these things can go horribly wrong. Revolutions rarely end well. My only point was that I don't think the history of Italian unification is very analogous to what's currently going on in the US. If anything, it seems to be the reverse of what's going on. BLM and "Antifa" seem to be a movement for disunification.
Sorry to make another comment after our last exchange (which was overly long, and I realize can get tiresome), but I've been doing some more reading today. I'm getting closer to nailing down the exact events you were describing in your original comment.
What I had read previously were the events that lead to Italian unification, and the establishment of the Kingdom of Italy in 1861. Later, Italy would ally with Prussia in 1870 during the Franco-Prussian war, after which they would regain Venice and Rome (after France abandoned it). But before that happened, Garibaldi had made a couple attempts on his own to take Rome. He didn't have the support of the newly established Kingdom of Italy, and they actually arrested him twice for his actions. Anyway, this seems to be the relevant area I need to do more reading on.
I stand by my statement that I don't think this is in any way analogous to what is going on in the US right now, but it has been interesting to read up on Italian history. It's incredibly complex and so intertwined with broader European history.
You rest your case? I'm sure you're already aware of this, but Rome has a few millennia worth of history. Just because I don't what specific event you're being extremely vague about, doesn't mean I don't know history. It would be helpful if you mentioned a name or date... or at least narrowed it down to a particular century.
It during the revolution led by Garibaldi from 1860 to 1870. The child murderer and executionor of unarmed civilians is a hero by the vile Italians.
Of course anything that isn't Italian was erased from mainstream history. You'll have to resort to reading books like Pope's Legion and finding old folk songs because the liberals erased anything they didn't like. Just like they're doing now in America.
That doesn't seem analogous to our current situation at all. In the mid 19th century, Italy wasn't a single country. The people were fighting for unification, democracy, and against foreign rule (namely, the Austrian Empire). I don't doubt there were despicable acts committed by horrible people—just like with the French revolution at the end of the 18th century—but that doesn't mean the Italians weren't justified in fighting a foreign government occupying their country.
I'm sorry what? The "people" were most definitely not fighting for unification. Literal foreigners caused riots and supplied a mob with weapons that proceeded to kill civilians and police alike. Then Savoy, a foreign nation that supported the mob, would claim it needed to protect civilians by sending in troops. Then people were executed for refusing to denounce their religion and leader.
There was no democracy. Savoy was a monarchy...
The Austrian Empire supported the revolution and gave Garibaldi ships. Only nation that helped the Christians was Belgium. France mainly pretended to help but withdrew support when the actual battles began.
There is so much wrong with this statement that I don't really know where to begin. Even if you're pro-Italian, it just doesn't make sense.
Guess it is a testimony to how well the liberals can distort history and hide their old tactics so it can be reused again.
Honestly I don't think America will even have a fight. Most people are either lazy and expect Trump to do everything or too delusional to realize Democrats are in the wrong. The states are turning into totalitarian governments and no one really cares. Eventually you will not be able to buy or sell unless you obey the state. Just ask Andrew Torba and take a look at the mandatory masks and quarantine laws. They've effectively removed due process while blacklisting the handful that will actually do something about the corruption.
At this point I just laugh when someone unironically says Garibaldi was good while also despising what is happening in America.
This seems to disagree with every history book written on the subject. The First Italian War of Independence in 1848 (which is when Garibaldi came to prominence as a military commander) was part of the Italian unification movement. The subsequent events into the mid 1860s were a continuation of that political movement for unification.
One of the primary objectives of the Italian unification movement was to establish a Republic (which is a form of representative democracy). Savoy was an ally to drive the Austrians out of northern Italy, but that doesn't mean they were establishing a monarchy. When Britain allied with the US during "Operation Iraqi Freedom," does that mean they were trying to establish a monarchy in the US? In the end, they didn't succeed in establishing a Republic, but my point was that it was part of the impetus that lead to the First Italian War of Independence.
Why would the Austrian Empire give ships to Garibaldi, when Garibaldi was fighting on the side of Savoy? Savoy (which was part of the Kingdom of Sardinia at the time) and Austria were on opposite sides of the conflict.
Austria occupied Piedmont, Tuscany, and Romagna, until they were driven out in the Second Italian War of Independence (Austro-Sardinian War) in 1859. Are you saying that the war didn't happen, or that Austrians aren't foreign to Italy?
I never said that, and you know it. Stop lying about what I said. I never once used the word "good" to describe Garibaldi. In fact, I specifically said "I don't doubt there were despicable acts committed by horrible people," and went on to compare their movement to the French revolution, which I would consider to be a black eye on the history of France.
I consider myself to be pro-American, pro-liberty, and pro-Constitution. To that end, I am sympathetic to movements that attempt to overthrow monarchies, but of course I understand that these things can go horribly wrong. Revolutions rarely end well. My only point was that I don't think the history of Italian unification is very analogous to what's currently going on in the US. If anything, it seems to be the reverse of what's going on. BLM and "Antifa" seem to be a movement for disunification.
Sorry to make another comment after our last exchange (which was overly long, and I realize can get tiresome), but I've been doing some more reading today. I'm getting closer to nailing down the exact events you were describing in your original comment.
What I had read previously were the events that lead to Italian unification, and the establishment of the Kingdom of Italy in 1861. Later, Italy would ally with Prussia in 1870 during the Franco-Prussian war, after which they would regain Venice and Rome (after France abandoned it). But before that happened, Garibaldi had made a couple attempts on his own to take Rome. He didn't have the support of the newly established Kingdom of Italy, and they actually arrested him twice for his actions. Anyway, this seems to be the relevant area I need to do more reading on.
I stand by my statement that I don't think this is in any way analogous to what is going on in the US right now, but it has been interesting to read up on Italian history. It's incredibly complex and so intertwined with broader European history.