I'm Christian and think we should have way more birth control. On the one hand people shouldn't be fucking but on the other hand they're going to. Still don't kill the baby in the womb. That's wrong.
Yes, if. But people won't follow it. And in my eyes people being promiscuous isn't as bad as killing a life. I'm old enough that I accept people won't always follow the Word--some will even curse it.
Are you also ok will euthanasia? Its basically the same argument, these people are not likely to contribute to society so get rid of them. Basically anyone who is not medically fit at the time to make decisions on their own with a low chance of recovery no longer has personhood and can be eliminated if preferable.
Aftercall abortion was pushed primarily as a population control method, most often of minorities.
Personally, I think abortion is definitely legal, as the current interpretation of the constitution makes it so as the US government doesn't give rights to the unborn. This is an arbitrary distinction but one that has been made, so abortion is legal.
I would be in favor of an amendment to change this as I believe this practice is just as evil as slavery, which also had its defenders at the time and was legal. But everyone basically knew, if they were being honest, it was immoral by pretty much any moral standard. Abortion is immoral, it just is, you can't justify it by saying that in a single time slice of a moment this being has no mental faculties so its ok if we kill it before it develops them which we know will happen.
I have no idea why people try to justify the practice as anything more then putting ones own needs over their dependent.
If we knew that when a dog reaches age 10, they are capable of human speech, walking on two legs, and generally act as 'people' then I am pretty sure we would ban killing of dogs by their owners.
If someone is braindead but you know will be a alive and learning again with a long life ahead of them in a few months, then we shouldn't be trying to tie our morality into knots to justify killing that person because its inconvenient to let them live.
That said, it is legal, and will remain so until a constitutional amendment is ratified to change that, kind of like slavery. And as such I am not in favor of any legislation short of an amendment that would ban it, of ban it from the bench of a court. An amendment should be needed. Regulating it is fine as we also regulate speech and right to have arms to certain degrees.
Practically, at the very least, abortion should be banned on any fetus that can, with medical help, be kept alive and allowed to grow up healthy outside of the womb if they were removed safety. As medical technology improves the time where that is true will be moved back, and cost of such procedure should be payed for by the state/nation and the infant would then become a ward of the state afterwards. The fact that as a society we currently let such children die in huge numbers is a major failing on us.
The only argument that has any merit for abortion is the necessary evil angle, as this at least acknowledges that the practice as immoral. This is also the justification most given for slavery before the civil war outside of insane direct racial superiority arguments. But I digress, this argument is similar to the argument for war. Yes war is immoral, but surrendering without a fight can be worse. Its a matter of which option is the worse one, and which one is better for society even if its full of many immoral actions. So in the abortion argument it goes, yes its immoral, but without this ability for mothers to kill their children then we would have too many children with too few resources to provide for them.
This final statement is utter bullshit, the united states has so much wealth and power that it is perfectly without our society's ability to care for the increase in amount of children. Further its likely due to social and economic pressures, banning abortion would not dramatically increase the amount of births. It may go up some, maybe, but more likely people would find other ways to limit births.
When they finally banned slavery, the cotton industry did not go away, it just changed. The truth was we didn't need the immoral practice of slavery to power labor.
If we banned abortion, birth control practices will not go away. The truth is we don't need the immoral practice of abortion to control population levels.
Wedge issue. I don’t care if it’s early. Late term is bad and using it repeatedly as birth control is bad. Wish stem cells were legal to be harvested in US so at least the life that was discarded could benefit the lives of the living. I’m sure some thumper will condemn me to hell but I’m a realist.
As a Catholic I do value separation of Church and State. However, abortion has been cast under the shadow of Christianity for some reason which I do not understand. In my opinion, as soon as the heart beats, it’s a human life. Set aside the “soul” aspect of it.
This is my reasoning: gay and trans rights Activists argue it is something they are born with and not a choice. Okay. So we err on the side of caution because it would be a travesty to deny them of something they were born with.
Same should go for the unborn. Are they human? Shouldn’t we again err on the side of caution? I believe the same for the death penalty. I think it’s hypocritical to be Pro-Life and also support the death penalty.
That unborn human is not just the woman’s body. It is made up of the father’s DNA as well. The father has no say in the unborn’s fate. Why is that?
The invention of birth control is one of the largest reasons we are in the cluster fuck we are in. I was atheist and have been finding my way back to God. Anyhow, many non religious people say they look at the Bible as a guide. It truly is, and taking religion out of the picture you can see first hand just how good of a guide it really is. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it and you begin to see more things like this I won't get into.
BC led to the Feminazi movement which was a massive domino effect.
Science cannot answer moral questions. There are no "objectively" bad actions without supposing a universal moral standard exists by which all actions can be judged. I believe without religion and it's concept of perfection, there are no objective moral standards.
Religion is usually a pretty good way of keeping society functioning. I would be wary of placing all trust in science because science can't explain everything. And a technocracy may lead to something very dystopic.
I'm Christian and think we should have way more birth control. On the one hand people shouldn't be fucking but on the other hand they're going to. Still don't kill the baby in the womb. That's wrong.
Yes, if. But people won't follow it. And in my eyes people being promiscuous isn't as bad as killing a life. I'm old enough that I accept people won't always follow the Word--some will even curse it.
So you're for liberty and pursuit of happiness, but not life.
It's in our founding documents, after all. So that's why I believe in the right to life. It also coincides with God's law.
Are you also ok will euthanasia? Its basically the same argument, these people are not likely to contribute to society so get rid of them. Basically anyone who is not medically fit at the time to make decisions on their own with a low chance of recovery no longer has personhood and can be eliminated if preferable.
Aftercall abortion was pushed primarily as a population control method, most often of minorities.
Personally, I think abortion is definitely legal, as the current interpretation of the constitution makes it so as the US government doesn't give rights to the unborn. This is an arbitrary distinction but one that has been made, so abortion is legal.
I would be in favor of an amendment to change this as I believe this practice is just as evil as slavery, which also had its defenders at the time and was legal. But everyone basically knew, if they were being honest, it was immoral by pretty much any moral standard. Abortion is immoral, it just is, you can't justify it by saying that in a single time slice of a moment this being has no mental faculties so its ok if we kill it before it develops them which we know will happen.
I have no idea why people try to justify the practice as anything more then putting ones own needs over their dependent.
If we knew that when a dog reaches age 10, they are capable of human speech, walking on two legs, and generally act as 'people' then I am pretty sure we would ban killing of dogs by their owners.
If someone is braindead but you know will be a alive and learning again with a long life ahead of them in a few months, then we shouldn't be trying to tie our morality into knots to justify killing that person because its inconvenient to let them live.
That said, it is legal, and will remain so until a constitutional amendment is ratified to change that, kind of like slavery. And as such I am not in favor of any legislation short of an amendment that would ban it, of ban it from the bench of a court. An amendment should be needed. Regulating it is fine as we also regulate speech and right to have arms to certain degrees.
Practically, at the very least, abortion should be banned on any fetus that can, with medical help, be kept alive and allowed to grow up healthy outside of the womb if they were removed safety. As medical technology improves the time where that is true will be moved back, and cost of such procedure should be payed for by the state/nation and the infant would then become a ward of the state afterwards. The fact that as a society we currently let such children die in huge numbers is a major failing on us.
The only argument that has any merit for abortion is the necessary evil angle, as this at least acknowledges that the practice as immoral. This is also the justification most given for slavery before the civil war outside of insane direct racial superiority arguments. But I digress, this argument is similar to the argument for war. Yes war is immoral, but surrendering without a fight can be worse. Its a matter of which option is the worse one, and which one is better for society even if its full of many immoral actions. So in the abortion argument it goes, yes its immoral, but without this ability for mothers to kill their children then we would have too many children with too few resources to provide for them.
This final statement is utter bullshit, the united states has so much wealth and power that it is perfectly without our society's ability to care for the increase in amount of children. Further its likely due to social and economic pressures, banning abortion would not dramatically increase the amount of births. It may go up some, maybe, but more likely people would find other ways to limit births.
When they finally banned slavery, the cotton industry did not go away, it just changed. The truth was we didn't need the immoral practice of slavery to power labor.
If we banned abortion, birth control practices will not go away. The truth is we don't need the immoral practice of abortion to control population levels.
Wedge issue. I don’t care if it’s early. Late term is bad and using it repeatedly as birth control is bad. Wish stem cells were legal to be harvested in US so at least the life that was discarded could benefit the lives of the living. I’m sure some thumper will condemn me to hell but I’m a realist.
The elites that support it are demons and the best form of birth control is to not have sex
As a Catholic I do value separation of Church and State. However, abortion has been cast under the shadow of Christianity for some reason which I do not understand. In my opinion, as soon as the heart beats, it’s a human life. Set aside the “soul” aspect of it.
This is my reasoning: gay and trans rights Activists argue it is something they are born with and not a choice. Okay. So we err on the side of caution because it would be a travesty to deny them of something they were born with.
Same should go for the unborn. Are they human? Shouldn’t we again err on the side of caution? I believe the same for the death penalty. I think it’s hypocritical to be Pro-Life and also support the death penalty.
That unborn human is not just the woman’s body. It is made up of the father’s DNA as well. The father has no say in the unborn’s fate. Why is that?
I'm pro life but I dont care if you want to kill babies
My issue with this is....
The invention of birth control is one of the largest reasons we are in the cluster fuck we are in. I was atheist and have been finding my way back to God. Anyhow, many non religious people say they look at the Bible as a guide. It truly is, and taking religion out of the picture you can see first hand just how good of a guide it really is. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it and you begin to see more things like this I won't get into.
BC led to the Feminazi movement which was a massive domino effect.
Science cannot answer moral questions. There are no "objectively" bad actions without supposing a universal moral standard exists by which all actions can be judged. I believe without religion and it's concept of perfection, there are no objective moral standards.
Religion is usually a pretty good way of keeping society functioning. I would be wary of placing all trust in science because science can't explain everything. And a technocracy may lead to something very dystopic.
Do you follow Sam Harris by any chance?