It also puts annoying burdens on companies that manufacture anything that can be used in a weapon (components, circuit boards, etc). I think even some software has been put under ITAR restrictions.
That's one of the things I liked about Trump. Over time lots of laws and regulations become meaningless but are still present. The government never updates just puts things on top of things increasing our burdens. His whole remove 20 regulations to pass a new one when he was first elected was a nice take on this growing problem.
Government is mostly lawyers and ran by bureaucrats they love these complicated bs because it makes them feel smarter and useful. At times I believe lawyers in government are just there to ensure their profession will always exist.
The commies will understand they killed millions of their own peasants anyways when Mao was taking over. They don't care about manpower since they have 1.3 billion plus.
Lol nature is already nuking China now. Watch NTP China in focus. Nature is basically giving a big FU to China with all the flooding, the CCP virus infecting Beijing and now a new swine flu epidemic in their pigs. We might need to just nuke it prevent it from coming here.
Then tell BLM this is their reparations. They get to move to China and start their own country and fuck off. Take all their commie allies with them. We can watch then watch "China" turn into lord of the flies. A true fly over area.
Eh I don't actually imagine us nuking anyone, with everyone having nukes it's pretty dumb, but I wish we could exert that kind of pressure again. In the end, we just have to make sure we have leaders who shun the easy profit. But they are few and far between.
You realize Beijing also owns nukes and ICBMs, and advanced weapon systems first provided by Bill Clinton? You might do damage but win or lose, such a war would devastate our side as well.
This is a common belief and for whatever reasons many people mistakenly believe China has a tremendous military and is a legitimate US 'rival power' too. Various ideas go around.
Look, I thought this too even after I was living in the PRC for years. It wasn't until I took a close look that I started to realize they have precious little.
At this point I don't even know if I believe they have nukes and certainly not as many as they'd claim. Their ICBMs wouldn't make it past Taiwan never mind any chance of clearing the pacific ocean.
They barely have a Navy. Japan would arm it's 'Civil Defense' and utterly annihilate every Chinese ship on the water in 6 days or less.
But more than all that, they are in the worst possible place to ever be at any kind of international war when India would delight in fucking them up on the West taking full advantage. Taiwan and half of Hong Kong would be deeeelighted to watch the PRC use up all its fireworks. Most vulnerable of all is that they are easy to siege as UK, US, France etc absolutely have the entire ocean locked whenever they feel like it. They'd run out of food and oil fast.
And add to all this the most serious flaw in PRC's entire war machine (if it ever had to act) is that they are incompetent, stupid, amateur goofs who get stumped by things like 'Linear thinking' and having most of their leadership made up of 'Rich Kids' who are .. well, imagine a bunch of Trust Fund Kids running anything but with 8th grade educations, masters degrees anyway and primarily worried about their collection of Air Jordans.
Worse than all worse things - 20 minutes after rallying their nation against the evil Americans - China splits into 6.5 different rival factions who somehow mass-murder each other to astonishing levels in horrifying ways.
Realistically, Japan today in 2020 could take over China. Japan + Taiwan would stomp Beijing. Mainland China is a 'Paper Tiger' but the paper is super shiny looking with a brick pattern and that's about it.
Eh...You could honestly apply the rehtoric from the 2003 run up to China with the virus they unleashed upon the world(they intentionally left their international airports open and closed their national ones)
Except this time, it would be true...I wonder why we have not had the same reaction.................
It's kind of horrible to be in the position of wishing something like that would happen to anyone...but when they are literally trying to kill our population and take over our country, it's hard not to think it might be their due.
No no no, CIA needs to protects its heroin pipeline out of Afghanistan so those guns need to go to Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. But Daddy Trump stopped that pipeline hence why Brennan has such a hardon for destroying Trump.
If they had lowers then yes, if no than parts aren't regulated and you get the rest anywhere. Would like to believe but without lowers in the batch it could just be chinese businesses doing what they do all the time. Sending components to the US and avoiding taxes for profit.
The story was very light on details, which made me wonder the same thing. Was China trying to arm an "insurgency" in the US? Or were these parts headed for retail sale to regular Americans?
I have a number of hobbies that involve building things - PCB design and fabrication, desktop CNC milling, 3D printing, etc. About a dozen years ago I started to notice that nearly everything I bought from Digikey could be bought from China, on ebay, for a fraction of the cost.
(Some were the actual same parts, from the actual same factories, just shipped out the side door. Others were cheap knockoffs. Others were pulls and recycles cleaned and sold as "new" or "NOS" - that last one is the plague among people trying to restore vintage gaming consoles, mostly Commodores.)
Not thinking much of it at the time, I started buying those parts. Half of them had customs forms on them that were clearly machine printed, but printed to look like they had been hand written. I don't know how many parcels I received that claimed to be "free samples" or "gifts" but were actually bundles of microcontrollers or industrial chemicals, but it was a lot.
I think that a lot of people, even those of us here who are fairly "woke" to the China problem, underestimate just how slimy these people are. Putting aside the question about whether our genes dictate what kinds of cultures people create, the Chinese people have created a culture and a government with nearly zero values in common with Western Civilization.
Edit P.S.: I write this because we need to be able to tell the difference between relevant news for our cause vs. stretching unrelated strings to fit a narrative. China has plenty of evil, we can expose that vs. this stretch.
China is getting extreme rainfall and flooding along the Yangtze. The Dam is seeing record high water levels and the structural integrity is somewhat suspect.
This right here. For as fucked up as the CCP is there are good human beings in China who want the same things out of life we do and happen to have been unfortunate enough to have been born in a Communist authoritarian hellhole.
Well...maybe they will see what’s happening and acknowledge it (for once, even if to save face from losing so many people) and evacuate in time, THEN have it go and wipe out a shitload of farmland and infrastructure.
On top of THIS is the dust storm crossing the US that will hinder crop growth.
On top of THAT are all the farmers plowing in crops and killing livestock since so many restaurants closed, which will cause a spike in demand from grocers.
Whats funny is that any armed conflict will force the dollar higher. The dollar's strength is a derivative of the price of oil. Oil will surge if a war breaks out.
Yeah, probably some parts kits that were considered easily convertible to automatics. Not familiar with AKs, but the equivalent of a lower with a third hole. Our maybe the parts kits included seers
You can do that shit with a coat hanger and 1 minute of your time so it isn't worth the 10 years in prison you'd get for buying one or for even building one before shit actually hits the fan.
I doubt chinese mfg's can do AR15 lowers at a good price. The tooling to do it cost-effectively is very expensive and the quality required to get it to work is high.
My thoughts exactly. If we're talking roll pins or something, whoopie shit. If we're talking DIAS (Drop In Auto Sears) or something like that, then we've got something to talk about.
However, that said, any restriction on the right to bear arms is wrong.
ATF has creatively interpreted that part in the past. They redefined an entire shipment of plastic airsoft guns as AR lowers because they claimed you could maybe remachine them into lowers.
We'll.... They aren't wrong.... Some of these airsoft replicas are damn close to the real deal. You seen one? I never thought of it before you mentioned it but it wouldn't be impossible to convert a toy lower into a real lower depending on the specs and quality of manufacturing. I have a polymer lower. Doesn't fit perfectly with uppers but it does fit and does fire.
Young guys and those who haven’t been into firearms very long are a bit naive to the ATF’s fuckery. When they say easily convertible, they mean it can be done by a team of ATF tech branch engineers in a full lab with machine tools that could also manufacture firearms from scratch if they wanted to.
Doesn't look like it from the pictures in the article. Whatever it was, 10k fit into 32 gallon zipper bags. Too bad they took the pictures with them in the bags, glare makes it impossible to tell what's inside.
The article you linked offered very little useful information.
While I'm typing, I'll offer a WAG as to what those parts aren't. I don't think they are lowers because actual (or Chi-Com manufactured) M16 lower would require far to much effort for our inner-city folk to turn into a working select fire rifle.
I mean, what respectable, crack-smoking thug would possess the working knowledge of the AR15/M16 platform, much less have access to auto sears, springs, roll pins?
I'd guess the parts could be DIASs, but then what good are they if one can't mill an AR15 lower?
Can't mill a lower? Then use a Lightning Link, or even a Swift Link. But, again, using these devices will require a fair bit of mechanical and gun smithing know-how, along with armorer's tools, neither of which are generally found in your average urban environment.
Since I'm a complete dumbass when it comes to firearms, what is your expert opinion on what parts were actually shipped?
You misinterpreted me. I'm saying this isn't a nothing burger.
They look like DIAS shapes and sizes to me.
You are also caught up thinking that only cracked out gangbangers want these things. Not sure why. It fundamentally altered your take on the matter and you excluded how easy lowers are to customize.
Open the tweet, look at the photo and the size and shape are pretty informative. I'm countering the claim this is a nothing burger. Ignorance of what these parts are explains the attitude.
I thought we trusted the Border Patrol around here. At least I do.
I trust the Border Patrol completely; however, I took in the possibility that they used a stock photo/s, or that the full load caught as not being displayed.
IOW, I find it difficult to believe there are 10k parts in the above picture. To even come close, each of those thirty-two, 1/2 liter sandwhich bags would need to have 312.5 parts inside and be valued at $4062.50. Nope....
I could suppose that is the full haul and each bag has 312.5 parts each and are valued at $4062.50, which would value each part at roughly $13.00/part. One could probably fit that many roll pins in a baggy, but who would pay upwards of $20.00 (markup minus s&h) for a roll pin? And how are extra-expensive roll pins a threat to our national security? Simply put, they're not.
What I also doubt is that those are DIASs, or anything closely related to stirring up shut by the Chi-Coms. Again, DIASs take milling the lower -- a lot of milling for the average individual.
Somewhere ITT it was suggested this being a local FFL or gunsmithing enthusiast gaming their customers with knockoff parts, which is far more likely an explanation.
Somewhere ITT it was suggested this being a local FFL or gunsmithing enthusiast gaming their customers with knockoff parts, which is far more likely an explanation.
You either did not read any of my reply, or you need to brush up on your reading comprehension.
spez: I do agree the the Chi-Coms are dicks and a threat to our democracy. I just don't believe this "arms shipment" is an example of their usual bullshit.
I'd be interested to see what the parts were, I imagine this has more to do with someone trying to skirt restrictions and regulations to sell their cheap chinesium parts, and less about some arms conspiracy.
Zero hedge makes it sound like China is fueling a "civil war". It's probably a fellow Trump-voting gun-loving redneck just looking for cheap gun parts to sell.
Probably, gun parts suppliers in the US often buy thousands of "parts kits" from various european countries (no longer allowed to buy from Russia, fuckin idiots) and sell those kits to builders who use them to build a legal pistol/rifle.
These could simply be tons of Chinese AK parts kits that didn't follow the proper procedure for importation.
Hard to tell exactly what the parts are in the bags. I wonder some entrepreneurial Floridian ordered a bunch of the totally-not-a-suppressor "oil filters" (labeled as "pins") that have been making the rounds on Aliexpress, Wish, etc. hoping to resell.
The bags are almost the size of the piece of copy paper above them. An auto sear is closer to the size of a postage stamp. So the shape of the bag would have little to do with the contents in that case.
All gun laws are an infringement, but I'm not okay with this. I'm sick of South American Cartels and criminals getting to own automatic weapons inside the US, but I can't.
I was really hoping that 2 years of GOP control would get us the Hearing Protection Act and a repeal of the FOPA. Thanks Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell et al. thanks for nothing.
You've missed one of the red pills. Republicans and Democrats both propose legislation to energize and excite their base that they never have any intention of passing. We're never going to silencers back and the left is never going to get UBI.
The difference is we used to have silencers. They've never had UBI.
I'm extremely curious if this was arms supplying to antifa or a gun dealer getting around ATF rules as they don't even look like full weapons from the pics. I'm tending towards the latter, especially with the "scary words" ASSAULT GUNS.
Royal Tiger Imports is in Melbourne. They sell parts kits, meaning de milled rifle parts and new parts for builders. I'm betting this was a legit order for parts that was shipped in a way to avoid paper work and cost which will now actually cost them far more than they saved.
Be very careful with this story folks, something fowl is "afoot" here! They are attempting to frame this story to go in another direction. These are bags of parts for guns or some other mechanical device as I now understand. I'll be in Melborne this afternoon and have an meeting with a "friend" who knows some "interesting details" regarding these (4) confiscated parcels.
Please keep in mind that there is a current attempt to control the amount of firearms and especially AMMO to the hands of the general public, and the media will flat out lie to reject this notion. Go check gun availability right now, now try to order ammo. Go check!
Swing by this address and look for .gov cars
295 North Dr
Suite A
Melbourne FL 32934
That's a legit FFL who imports parts kits. I'm guessing this was the intended recipient and the CBP is just puffing up a benign tax avoidance issue into a "we saved America from thousands of guns" headline. But FFLs are going to get the colonoscopy for any paperwork discrepancies on imports. If the .gov is at that address it would go a long way to confirming my theory and if I'm right I'm pretty sure it's nothing to panic over. Unless of course the FFL is a front but I really don't think that's the case either.
Please keep us (me) in the loop. I live in Palm Bay and work in Melbourne/spend most of my time in Melbourne. I can’t find ANY information on this but so know that one of my employees has an Islamic terror cell house a couple houses down from him.
Biggest "problem" is that HK Protesters tend to be peaceful (actual "peaceful protesters") by nature and opposed to violence--for their own safety (CCP doesn't even pretend to honor a right to trial, etc.), and as a general culture. Would they even take and use them?
I think steel pins was the false or misleading manifest entry not actually what was shipped. Freight costs and duties are based on the manifest so shipping a high cost of duty and freight item intentionally mislabeled as a low cost item could save a few dollars on transportation and importation. Until you get caught. If the freight company catches you it's not to bad but CBP can make it hurt.
Not to nitpick, but it's thousands of PARTS. If you read the full article and follow the links, it appears to be mostly auto sears and suppressors labeled as "fuel filters".
It isn't crates of surplus rifles, it's shoddily made NFA parts. Likely going to Anftifa morons or newbie boog boys who don't know you can't just buy this shit off Amazon.
So when we want to whip up hysterical panic over some dude in Florida buying grey market gun parts on the cheap from China, the term 'assault weapons' is proper terminology? This doesn't look like CCP is trying to arm insurrectionists inside the US, looks like a plain vanilla purchase of something that's just easier and cheaper to get on the grey market than through legal channels.
We are in a Cold War with China... to think otherwise is laughable.
They need to conquer the west in the next decade or will never again have the capacity. Their one child policy is on the brink of destroying their military staffing requirements.
Plenty of equipment, but soon their will not be enough men to field them. When you commit to a nation of all males, soon enough their will be no more/not enough children being born.
China sickened the world, China illegally imported the drugs that went into George Floyd's system, and I suspect China is the source of the counterfeit cash that he attempted to pay with. China is now smuggling guns for an insurrection that they started to begin with.
From the article that was linked in the Zero Hedge article:
The group held a conference in Los Angeles with ‘military advisors’ charting out details of the ‘Black Opts’ blueprint – which stands for Black Opportunities. Black Special Forces officers are training the BLM’s Black Ops department of Black Opportunities.
and
Hawk Newsome, Chairman of BLM’s Greater New York chapter, said ‘We want liberation. We want the power to determine our own destiny. We want freedom from an oppressive government, and we want the immediate end of government sanctioned murder by the police. And we prepare to stop these government sanctioned murders by any means necessary. We are preparing and training our people to defend our communities. It’s our obligation, it is our duty to provide people with a pathway forward,’ he said
PARTS! Let’s not be fake news here. This is likely someone ordering a bunch of parts made of cheap Chinese steel/aluminum to resell here. I don’t think we should jump to the conclusion that the Chinese government feels the need to send guns to the US. We have the right to buy our own (if you live in a free state).
Until we know the details of what was seized, I'm going with the explanation that the intended recipient in FL was some dude skirting ITAR licensing requirements and importing $2 shitty Chicom copies under the table to sell at a shop, via Amazon, or at a show booth for $20 each.
Are they really smuggling or some firearms vendor trying to get weapon parts into USA without paying the tariffs or going thru proper channel? It's weapon parts and polymer right? or Broker is too lazy to put the proper information in?
Thank you for your service to all of the customs officers! When can we glass China? No reasonable method is going to work with them, they are pure evil and I trust them about as much as I trust a muslim to not fuck a goat when left alone in a room together - zero.
I mean in a country like America you really don't need to smuggle in any type of weapon. If America had UK type laws then this would set off alarm bells with me.
Once a civil war would actually get hot no one is going to care about the legally owned firearms that would be used to defend oneself and others. Not even in shit holes like California would they care.
Not calling bullshit on the story it is what it is. It's just you don't need to smuggle parts or weapons into America like this.
All you need is maybe access to one or two ammo dumbs if a civil war gets triggered.
Can someone explain why this is a big deal? Since guns are already legal here I'm just not following what the article is implying and why receiving parts for rifles is grounds for confiscation.
There is only shit tier reporting on this. What were the parts? I’m not gonna give the ATF 100x credibility than I normally would just because the story can have a thin anti-chicom spin on it.
Possibly this was some cheap AR mfg like Daytona Tactical buying a crate of rails or grips from China and trying to cut corners on importation.
People order weapons parts and other bulk items from China fairly often. Cheap knockoffs of high end optics are pretty common too. I wouldn't say they were shipping "assault guns".
We should return the favor by shipping a few thousand AR-15s to Hong Kong.
This is the way. Stop enforcing ITAR to regions threatened by Chang.
So India, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan, The Philippines, Tibet, etc.
Let’s get this straight: Assault rifle parts. I’m curious what part exactly, as the lower receiver is the controlled component (serial#).
I'm wondering myself. Was this to be mated with earlier shipments or later ones? Assembling at some later point in time.
Im guessing mil-spec burst or auto trigger groups? Or AK pattern trigger groups?
What is ITAR?
It also puts annoying burdens on companies that manufacture anything that can be used in a weapon (components, circuit boards, etc). I think even some software has been put under ITAR restrictions.
That's one of the things I liked about Trump. Over time lots of laws and regulations become meaningless but are still present. The government never updates just puts things on top of things increasing our burdens. His whole remove 20 regulations to pass a new one when he was first elected was a nice take on this growing problem.
Government is mostly lawyers and ran by bureaucrats they love these complicated bs because it makes them feel smarter and useful. At times I believe lawyers in government are just there to ensure their profession will always exist.
A bunch of phone apps have, IIRC
Most civilian firearms removed from ITAR under Trump
https://www.dlapiper.com/en/us/insights/publications/2020/02/long-awaited-changes-to-export-controls-for-firearms-and-ammunition-have-arrived/
Basically it prevents americans from selling "arms" to anyone, without a ridiculously high financial burden.
FTFY
I think we should just nuke Beijing. That'll show the commie fucks.
It's for the greater good, they'll understand.
The commies will understand they killed millions of their own peasants anyways when Mao was taking over. They don't care about manpower since they have 1.3 billion plus.
THE GREATER GOOD.
By fire be purged, evil Tau xenos!
We can call it the Great Leap Forward
Yeah, and who knows....they'll come up with some good anime
LOL probably true. But a nuke could change their attitude. Who knows?
Lol nature is already nuking China now. Watch NTP China in focus. Nature is basically giving a big FU to China with all the flooding, the CCP virus infecting Beijing and now a new swine flu epidemic in their pigs. We might need to just nuke it prevent it from coming here.
Xinnie has obviously lost the mandate of Heaven.
Shit in less than a year Ming will dissolve into a dozen different pretenders. Oh, EU4 you made fools of us all.
Then tell BLM this is their reparations. They get to move to China and start their own country and fuck off. Take all their commie allies with them. We can watch then watch "China" turn into lord of the flies. A true fly over area.
Eh I don't actually imagine us nuking anyone, with everyone having nukes it's pretty dumb, but I wish we could exert that kind of pressure again. In the end, we just have to make sure we have leaders who shun the easy profit. But they are few and far between.
I don’t think they were serious.
I was...
You realize Beijing also owns nukes and ICBMs, and advanced weapon systems first provided by Bill Clinton? You might do damage but win or lose, such a war would devastate our side as well.
This is a common belief and for whatever reasons many people mistakenly believe China has a tremendous military and is a legitimate US 'rival power' too. Various ideas go around.
Look, I thought this too even after I was living in the PRC for years. It wasn't until I took a close look that I started to realize they have precious little.
At this point I don't even know if I believe they have nukes and certainly not as many as they'd claim. Their ICBMs wouldn't make it past Taiwan never mind any chance of clearing the pacific ocean.
They barely have a Navy. Japan would arm it's 'Civil Defense' and utterly annihilate every Chinese ship on the water in 6 days or less.
But more than all that, they are in the worst possible place to ever be at any kind of international war when India would delight in fucking them up on the West taking full advantage. Taiwan and half of Hong Kong would be deeeelighted to watch the PRC use up all its fireworks. Most vulnerable of all is that they are easy to siege as UK, US, France etc absolutely have the entire ocean locked whenever they feel like it. They'd run out of food and oil fast.
And add to all this the most serious flaw in PRC's entire war machine (if it ever had to act) is that they are incompetent, stupid, amateur goofs who get stumped by things like 'Linear thinking' and having most of their leadership made up of 'Rich Kids' who are .. well, imagine a bunch of Trust Fund Kids running anything but with 8th grade educations, masters degrees anyway and primarily worried about their collection of Air Jordans.
Worse than all worse things - 20 minutes after rallying their nation against the evil Americans - China splits into 6.5 different rival factions who somehow mass-murder each other to astonishing levels in horrifying ways.
Realistically, Japan today in 2020 could take over China. Japan + Taiwan would stomp Beijing. Mainland China is a 'Paper Tiger' but the paper is super shiny looking with a brick pattern and that's about it.
Eh...You could honestly apply the rehtoric from the 2003 run up to China with the virus they unleashed upon the world(they intentionally left their international airports open and closed their national ones)
Except this time, it would be true...I wonder why we have not had the same reaction.................
Maybe Saddam Hussien did not buy democrats off?
Everyone has nukes but what have we created in the last 70 years that surpasses nukes is the question.
Black hole bombs!!
The Magog tore up the Andromeda pretty severely with those! They even obsoleted the first season bridge set!
If the Three Gorges Dam goes, which looks increasingly likely, it will cause an incredible amount of damage.
It's kind of horrible to be in the position of wishing something like that would happen to anyone...but when they are literally trying to kill our population and take over our country, it's hard not to think it might be their due.
Nature hu? I think the CCP might wanna reconsider their policy towards religion especially Christianity..
Agreed, can’t even imagine all the bad things the CCP have done. Seems like punishment from God.
FROM SPACE!
Are you kidding? A single city is nothing to the CCP. They view their own people as disposable and a nuisance to be managed.
Wuhan too. Would do wonders for the world.
But think of all the virii not yet killing the world!
No no no, CIA needs to protects its heroin pipeline out of Afghanistan so those guns need to go to Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. But Daddy Trump stopped that pipeline hence why Brennan has such a hardon for destroying Trump.
Careful, people die because of exposing Ratlines🤡
That scummy antiAmerican gang of criminals need to be destroyed.
Those aren't assault rifles though
The parts are weapons, weapons of hate, just like words. Bigot.
T R I G G E R E D
Pede, that was such an accurate portrayal, I almost hit the deport button!
If they had lowers then yes, if no than parts aren't regulated and you get the rest anywhere. Would like to believe but without lowers in the batch it could just be chinese businesses doing what they do all the time. Sending components to the US and avoiding taxes for profit.
The story was very light on details, which made me wonder the same thing. Was China trying to arm an "insurgency" in the US? Or were these parts headed for retail sale to regular Americans?
I have a number of hobbies that involve building things - PCB design and fabrication, desktop CNC milling, 3D printing, etc. About a dozen years ago I started to notice that nearly everything I bought from Digikey could be bought from China, on ebay, for a fraction of the cost.
(Some were the actual same parts, from the actual same factories, just shipped out the side door. Others were cheap knockoffs. Others were pulls and recycles cleaned and sold as "new" or "NOS" - that last one is the plague among people trying to restore vintage gaming consoles, mostly Commodores.)
Not thinking much of it at the time, I started buying those parts. Half of them had customs forms on them that were clearly machine printed, but printed to look like they had been hand written. I don't know how many parcels I received that claimed to be "free samples" or "gifts" but were actually bundles of microcontrollers or industrial chemicals, but it was a lot.
I think that a lot of people, even those of us here who are fairly "woke" to the China problem, underestimate just how slimy these people are. Putting aside the question about whether our genes dictate what kinds of cultures people create, the Chinese people have created a culture and a government with nearly zero values in common with Western Civilization.
I know someone who ordered a 3G cell phone jammer from overseas, it arrived labeled as a cable box.
Edit P.S.: I write this because we need to be able to tell the difference between relevant news for our cause vs. stretching unrelated strings to fit a narrative. China has plenty of evil, we can expose that vs. this stretch.
Yes. I noticed it didn’t indicate the type of parts. This is misleading.
Thank God, someone finally noticed.
They have files.
Well it’s Zerohedge so filters aren’t a factor.
Love those crazy zero hedge bastards
Check out 3 gorges dam and the Yangtze (yellow river). Could be a rough year
China is getting extreme rainfall and flooding along the Yangtze. The Dam is seeing record high water levels and the structural integrity is somewhat suspect.
Holy fuck. Can you imagine if that thing goes?
Honestly, fuck China, but that would be the worst humanitarian crisis in centuries. I hope it holds.
This right here. For as fucked up as the CCP is there are good human beings in China who want the same things out of life we do and happen to have been unfortunate enough to have been born in a Communist authoritarian hellhole.
Well...maybe they will see what’s happening and acknowledge it (for once, even if to save face from losing so many people) and evacuate in time, THEN have it go and wipe out a shitload of farmland and infrastructure.
Something like 400 million people are in danger if it collapses.
Communists aren't people, they're property of the state
400 million communists.
Like, the worst humanitarian crisis in history.
400 million people downstream. Could be the worse disaster in human history.
Holy shit.
I'd say it definitely would be.
Super Power status revoked.
It would wipe out Wuhan and tons of their military.
Yes. Aenema
LEARN TO SWIM
Commies built questionable structures? Why, I'd never have guessed.
400 million citizens behind that dam. It would be the largest act of terrorism ever committed. That's not us
Yeah true, I just hate the CCP alot. They have caused alot of harm to us over the years.
Laughs in foreign interventaions
It's deteriorating.
It's critical infrastructure that was Made In China.
Nothing, yet. But if the water keeps rising there it could get interesting.
I've been following that on the 'chans. Seems fishy, but if that thing fails I've seen estimates between 21-481 million potential deaths.
They are definitely getting serious flooding, the Yangtze has an amazing and violent history
On top of THIS is the dust storm crossing the US that will hinder crop growth.
On top of THAT are all the farmers plowing in crops and killing livestock since so many restaurants closed, which will cause a spike in demand from grocers.
Not good.
It's like a perfect storm for global famine.
Floods, pestilence, locusts....sounds BIBLICAL.
Let's see some FROGS.
They ate them
bc they’re turning gay? but that’s homophobic!
I know it’s CNN https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/05/africa/locusts/
They are playing the climate change angle
Half the people in China could die and they would still outnumber us.
It would still be a huge hit to lose like 400k people.
its just parts - not guns
Its always the “or worse” option with china. Devaluation is a perk for them.
Whats funny is that any armed conflict will force the dollar higher. The dollar's strength is a derivative of the price of oil. Oil will surge if a war breaks out.
Before cheap big screens and microwaves, this type of fuckery from a communist country would have been considered an act of war.
Now it's essentially ignored because our electeds, of both parties, have sold out America.
Them buying all our PPE was an act of war, too.
It's still an act of war.
Welcome to WWIII.
*Parts
10k parts. And they only came from China. Some asshat locally ordered them.
This shouldn't be stickied.
More than likely it's knock off cheap fucking Magpul counterfeits.
My thoughts exactly. Probably just a local gun shop with some warehouse space ordered some cheap chinesium UTG rails and other shit like that to sell.
And the importer mislabeled them, maybe trying to get through customs cheaper or something.
AK parts kits from what it looks like.
the part I saw looked like an AR fire selector.
cheap Chicom crap.
Really? Because people already import that stuff illegally far too often and you don't see that in the news.
Yeah, probably some parts kits that were considered easily convertible to automatics. Not familiar with AKs, but the equivalent of a lower with a third hole. Our maybe the parts kits included seers
You can do that shit with a coat hanger and 1 minute of your time so it isn't worth the 10 years in prison you'd get for buying one or for even building one before shit actually hits the fan.
I don't disagree, but that doesn't mean there isn't a market for them. They get sold, people buy them.
A small Chinese shop would love to sell a hundred units with the kind of markup they can expect from a unit like that.
I doubt chinese mfg's can do AR15 lowers at a good price. The tooling to do it cost-effectively is very expensive and the quality required to get it to work is high.
The equivalent of
Reading comprehension dude
Exactly. Which parts?
My thoughts exactly. If we're talking roll pins or something, whoopie shit. If we're talking DIAS (Drop In Auto Sears) or something like that, then we've got something to talk about.
However, that said, any restriction on the right to bear arms is wrong.
Not when it comes to foreign Communists operating within our borders.
Lowers I’m guessing
ATF has creatively interpreted that part in the past. They redefined an entire shipment of plastic airsoft guns as AR lowers because they claimed you could maybe remachine them into lowers.
We'll.... They aren't wrong.... Some of these airsoft replicas are damn close to the real deal. You seen one? I never thought of it before you mentioned it but it wouldn't be impossible to convert a toy lower into a real lower depending on the specs and quality of manufacturing. I have a polymer lower. Doesn't fit perfectly with uppers but it does fit and does fire.
Young guys and those who haven’t been into firearms very long are a bit naive to the ATF’s fuckery. When they say easily convertible, they mean it can be done by a team of ATF tech branch engineers in a full lab with machine tools that could also manufacture firearms from scratch if they wanted to.
Doesn't look like it from the pictures in the article. Whatever it was, 10k fit into 32 gallon zipper bags. Too bad they took the pictures with them in the bags, glare makes it impossible to tell what's inside.
My guess: AK Parts kits.
Look up how to build an AR 15 and then look at the pictures in the article. Americans should already know this information.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CBP/status/1277062666801033217 this photo isn't cropped so you can more easily make out the sears.
yeah... parts...like new AR-15 bolt carriers and auto sears for select fire function.
Meh, I doubt it.
They usually go-big or go-home when it comes to NFA. 10,800 Auto sears or nothing.
“Assault weapons”? These are gun parts.
The fact that they don’t say which parts tells me it’s a nothing burger with a side of BS.
I'd say that's a fair assessment.
So... cheap Chinese knock off shit like usual.
If it isn't a full auto mod part, it is nothing.
We have an embargo on Chinese gun parts, so it's still a violation of that even if it's just a bunch of knockoff magpull grips.
what if they are airsoft parts?
Yep, these were probably just upper receivers, cheap chinese knockoffs, which is a violation of the arms embargo
Did you read the article though?
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/10800-assault-weapons-parts-seized-cbp-louisville
I suggest looking up how to turn an AR 15 full auto.
Y'all don't know weapons. Keep acting fresh while communists commit acts of war...
The article you linked offered very little useful information.
While I'm typing, I'll offer a WAG as to what those parts aren't. I don't think they are lowers because actual (or Chi-Com manufactured) M16 lower would require far to much effort for our inner-city folk to turn into a working select fire rifle.
I mean, what respectable, crack-smoking thug would possess the working knowledge of the AR15/M16 platform, much less have access to auto sears, springs, roll pins?
I'd guess the parts could be DIASs, but then what good are they if one can't mill an AR15 lower?
Can't mill a lower? Then use a Lightning Link, or even a Swift Link. But, again, using these devices will require a fair bit of mechanical and gun smithing know-how, along with armorer's tools, neither of which are generally found in your average urban environment.
Since I'm a complete dumbass when it comes to firearms, what is your expert opinion on what parts were actually shipped?
https://mobile.twitter.com/CBP/status/1277062666801033217 this photo isn't cropped. You can see a nice pen for size comparison.
You misinterpreted me. I'm saying this isn't a nothing burger.
They look like DIAS shapes and sizes to me.
You are also caught up thinking that only cracked out gangbangers want these things. Not sure why. It fundamentally altered your take on the matter and you excluded how easy lowers are to customize.
Open the tweet, look at the photo and the size and shape are pretty informative. I'm countering the claim this is a nothing burger. Ignorance of what these parts are explains the attitude.
I thought we trusted the Border Patrol around here. At least I do.
I trust the Border Patrol completely; however, I took in the possibility that they used a stock photo/s, or that the full load caught as not being displayed.
IOW, I find it difficult to believe there are 10k parts in the above picture. To even come close, each of those thirty-two, 1/2 liter sandwhich bags would need to have 312.5 parts inside and be valued at $4062.50. Nope....
I could suppose that is the full haul and each bag has 312.5 parts each and are valued at $4062.50, which would value each part at roughly $13.00/part. One could probably fit that many roll pins in a baggy, but who would pay upwards of $20.00 (markup minus s&h) for a roll pin? And how are extra-expensive roll pins a threat to our national security? Simply put, they're not.
What I also doubt is that those are DIASs, or anything closely related to stirring up shut by the Chi-Coms. Again, DIASs take milling the lower -- a lot of milling for the average individual.
Somewhere ITT it was suggested this being a local FFL or gunsmithing enthusiast gaming their customers with knockoff parts, which is far more likely an explanation.
Lastly, I was thinking St. Louis, not Louisville.
So we agree this isn't a nothing burger. Thanks
You either did not read any of my reply, or you need to brush up on your reading comprehension.
spez: I do agree the the Chi-Coms are dicks and a threat to our democracy. I just don't believe this "arms shipment" is an example of their usual bullshit.
I'd be interested to see what the parts were, I imagine this has more to do with someone trying to skirt restrictions and regulations to sell their cheap chinesium parts, and less about some arms conspiracy.
Zero hedge makes it sound like China is fueling a "civil war". It's probably a fellow Trump-voting gun-loving redneck just looking for cheap gun parts to sell.
That happened in Chicago.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/glock-automatic-pistol-switch-charges/161921/
Probably, gun parts suppliers in the US often buy thousands of "parts kits" from various european countries (no longer allowed to buy from Russia, fuckin idiots) and sell those kits to builders who use them to build a legal pistol/rifle.
These could simply be tons of Chinese AK parts kits that didn't follow the proper procedure for importation.
This is what I was thinking, with the current market someone is trying to make a buck
Hard to tell exactly what the parts are in the bags. I wonder some entrepreneurial Floridian ordered a bunch of the totally-not-a-suppressor "oil filters" (labeled as "pins") that have been making the rounds on Aliexpress, Wish, etc. hoping to resell.
The bags are almost the size of the piece of copy paper above them. An auto sear is closer to the size of a postage stamp. So the shape of the bag would have little to do with the contents in that case.
MAN CAUGHT SMUGGLING ASSAULT PARTS
Even funnier, an assault gun is literally an obsolete type of armored vehicle. They ship ov a bunch of stugs or something?
Because "assault gun" sounds scary and bad, that's why!
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All gun laws are an infringement, but I'm not okay with this. I'm sick of South American Cartels and criminals getting to own automatic weapons inside the US, but I can't.
I want automatic weapons too.
I was really hoping that 2 years of GOP control would get us the Hearing Protection Act and a repeal of the FOPA. Thanks Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell et al. thanks for nothing.
You've missed one of the red pills. Republicans and Democrats both propose legislation to energize and excite their base that they never have any intention of passing. We're never going to silencers back and the left is never going to get UBI.
The difference is we used to have silencers. They've never had UBI.
Stop calling them silencers like the idiotic Karens. They are suppressors.
They are called Silencers in the ATF paperwork. Citation: I have an Osprey 45 that took a year to process.
I don't expect to get tax free suppressors any more but I was hopeful in 2016.
Their ultimate destination was Melbourne Florida.
I'm extremely curious if this was arms supplying to antifa or a gun dealer getting around ATF rules as they don't even look like full weapons from the pics. I'm tending towards the latter, especially with the "scary words" ASSAULT GUNS.
Not AR-15s, not ASSAULT WEAPONS - "assault guns"
Assault gun parts? Heh.
I didn’t see a description of the actual contents. Do reporters even exist?
Not intelligent ones.
And certainly not ones who know anything at all about firearms.
Heres some sauce : CBP.GOV
The picture with the bags of black parts is legit. Let's take a closer look.
Fun fact, the CBP has this file named as 'Firearms 1'
Let's change the name to 'Firearms 2'
Now we are getting somewhere
Looks like they are receivers, parts kits
Looks like a safety selector switch.
Yes, each bag looks like a receiver and parts kit
OMG Chinese assault safeties are on our streets?! Ban them NOW!!
Oooo scary parts kits
So they were headed to melborn fl.
Royal Tiger Imports is in Melbourne. They sell parts kits, meaning de milled rifle parts and new parts for builders. I'm betting this was a legit order for parts that was shipped in a way to avoid paper work and cost which will now actually cost them far more than they saved.
Yes, the zerohedge article says so too
Be very careful with this story folks, something fowl is "afoot" here! They are attempting to frame this story to go in another direction. These are bags of parts for guns or some other mechanical device as I now understand. I'll be in Melborne this afternoon and have an meeting with a "friend" who knows some "interesting details" regarding these (4) confiscated parcels.
Please keep in mind that there is a current attempt to control the amount of firearms and especially AMMO to the hands of the general public, and the media will flat out lie to reject this notion. Go check gun availability right now, now try to order ammo. Go check!
Swing by this address and look for .gov cars 295 North Dr Suite A Melbourne FL 32934 That's a legit FFL who imports parts kits. I'm guessing this was the intended recipient and the CBP is just puffing up a benign tax avoidance issue into a "we saved America from thousands of guns" headline. But FFLs are going to get the colonoscopy for any paperwork discrepancies on imports. If the .gov is at that address it would go a long way to confirming my theory and if I'm right I'm pretty sure it's nothing to panic over. Unless of course the FFL is a front but I really don't think that's the case either.
Please keep us (me) in the loop. I live in Palm Bay and work in Melbourne/spend most of my time in Melbourne. I can’t find ANY information on this but so know that one of my employees has an Islamic terror cell house a couple houses down from him.
Not a lie: an omission. I read it rather quickly, sorry for the inconvenience.
"Delete" is an option..
Anything with 30 calibers per second and a shoulder thing that goes all the way up.
'Assault guns'...
Quick 'gun', do an 'assault'! Come on! Do it!
Time for us to start arming the Hong Kong protesters. Two can play at this game. And we are better at it.
Biggest "problem" is that HK Protesters tend to be peaceful (actual "peaceful protesters") by nature and opposed to violence--for their own safety (CCP doesn't even pretend to honor a right to trial, etc.), and as a general culture. Would they even take and use them?
I think steel pins was the false or misleading manifest entry not actually what was shipped. Freight costs and duties are based on the manifest so shipping a high cost of duty and freight item intentionally mislabeled as a low cost item could save a few dollars on transportation and importation. Until you get caught. If the freight company catches you it's not to bad but CBP can make it hurt.
They better catch who they were sending it to and charge them with treason.
If you have friends and family like I do who won't believe anything written by Zerohedge, here's the CBP article: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/10800-assault-weapons-parts-seized-cbp-louisville
Not to nitpick, but it's thousands of PARTS. If you read the full article and follow the links, it appears to be mostly auto sears and suppressors labeled as "fuel filters".
It isn't crates of surplus rifles, it's shoddily made NFA parts. Likely going to Anftifa morons or newbie boog boys who don't know you can't just buy this shit off Amazon.
So when we want to whip up hysterical panic over some dude in Florida buying grey market gun parts on the cheap from China, the term 'assault weapons' is proper terminology? This doesn't look like CCP is trying to arm insurrectionists inside the US, looks like a plain vanilla purchase of something that's just easier and cheaper to get on the grey market than through legal channels.
We are in a Cold War with China... to think otherwise is laughable.
They need to conquer the west in the next decade or will never again have the capacity. Their one child policy is on the brink of destroying their military staffing requirements.
Plenty of equipment, but soon their will not be enough men to field them. When you commit to a nation of all males, soon enough their will be no more/not enough children being born.
China is arming BLM. Change my mind.
Come on now. There is no such thing as "assault" guns. Let's be smarter than the libs.
Normally I'm all for more guns in the US, but Chinese shit can stay in China. Rather have actual firearms that... you know, fire.
ALL guns are "assault guns".
What parts? If it's stocks or fore grips I don't care. If it's lower receivers... wtf??!?
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China sickened the world, China illegally imported the drugs that went into George Floyd's system, and I suspect China is the source of the counterfeit cash that he attempted to pay with. China is now smuggling guns for an insurrection that they started to begin with.
Fuck China China is assho
From the article that was linked in the Zero Hedge article:
and
PARTS! Let’s not be fake news here. This is likely someone ordering a bunch of parts made of cheap Chinese steel/aluminum to resell here. I don’t think we should jump to the conclusion that the Chinese government feels the need to send guns to the US. We have the right to buy our own (if you live in a free state).
This. MFing this.
Until we know the details of what was seized, I'm going with the explanation that the intended recipient in FL was some dude skirting ITAR licensing requirements and importing $2 shitty Chicom copies under the table to sell at a shop, via Amazon, or at a show booth for $20 each.
There's no such thing as "assault guns", just guns.
Are they really smuggling or some firearms vendor trying to get weapon parts into USA without paying the tariffs or going thru proper channel? It's weapon parts and polymer right? or Broker is too lazy to put the proper information in?
What is an assault gun? Does it rob you on the lawless streets of liberal shitholes by itself?
Thank you for your service to all of the customs officers! When can we glass China? No reasonable method is going to work with them, they are pure evil and I trust them about as much as I trust a muslim to not fuck a goat when left alone in a room together - zero.
Now why would China be illegally shipping lower receivers (the one part you need registration for) to America? Tens of thousands of lower receivers.
"Assault gun" - that's a new one.
Right? “Hello fellow pedes, where do I get an assault gun?”
I want one!
Go on aliexpress and search for "solvent trap"
I mean in a country like America you really don't need to smuggle in any type of weapon. If America had UK type laws then this would set off alarm bells with me.
Once a civil war would actually get hot no one is going to care about the legally owned firearms that would be used to defend oneself and others. Not even in shit holes like California would they care.
Not calling bullshit on the story it is what it is. It's just you don't need to smuggle parts or weapons into America like this.
All you need is maybe access to one or two ammo dumbs if a civil war gets triggered.
GASP! OMG! Assault Weapons Parts! How dreadful!
Do they deliver?
Can someone explain why this is a big deal? Since guns are already legal here I'm just not following what the article is implying and why receiving parts for rifles is grounds for confiscation.
the more dead Democraps the better
There is only shit tier reporting on this. What were the parts? I’m not gonna give the ATF 100x credibility than I normally would just because the story can have a thin anti-chicom spin on it.
Possibly this was some cheap AR mfg like Daytona Tactical buying a crate of rails or grips from China and trying to cut corners on importation.
This seems like a bit of a misleading headline.
People order weapons parts and other bulk items from China fairly often. Cheap knockoffs of high end optics are pretty common too. I wouldn't say they were shipping "assault guns".
Someone ordered bulk parts.