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fadingecho 2 points ago +3 / -1

Lot's of middle class folks have their 401K's in investments

As if there's a choice any more. No company will do pensions any more because you actually have to run your business well and it creates unfunded liabilities so it is less likely for you to get bought out, which is the dream for a lot of them.

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Signore_Pepino 1 point ago +1 / -0

“Unexpectedly”

The good part even for Karens is that everyone’s in the market ( even if most people only are super conservative investing wise )

So for anyone to root against the markets is moronic