stop turning this into a referendum on his entire political career. Today he did good. Point out that today he did good. If he does something that pisses you off, then slam him but today he did what we want him to do. Start treating the politicians like Pavlov's dog instead of just kicking them over and over and over again, and especially don't kick them when they do what we want them to do.
everybody's out for blood is what it is. you also have to realize that just because people agree with you on issues or candidates in general doesn't mean they understand nuance or how to play the game. these same ppl also hold a grudge even after the fact because their whole mindset is emotional.
not only does he have something like a 90-95% solid voting record but this is also a good move on his part. but, you know he's been wishy washy on tech censorship or H1-B (or so they've been told) therefore he's a monster and he must be primaried. its the GD reddit mentality in my view.
I don't know if it's lack of nuance or just a total disconnect from the process. Some Republicans are so used to losing, we don't know how to win. That's exactly why I love Trump. He was going to teach us how to win. One of the ways Trumps does that is by treating an ally well "He's good. He does Amazing things. He's such a hard worker." but then when he's attacked by the same ally he calls them do nothings and traitors etc. Trump is still teaching us but we need to learn the lesson.
i meant lack of nuance in that many people observing don't understand how the game works. they also don't seem to be very good at where they are focusing their energy or what i would call "eyes on the prize." this is an example of both to me. he did something good but ppl only want to bring up his stance on an unrelated issue or postulate how this is "only making amends for ___." even then i say, "exactly, he's making amends, isn't that what you wanted?"
the perfect can't be the enemy of the good is basically what i'm saying.... especially not right now.
I absolutely agree with you. I understand the frustration of some people who just feel we're not winning because nothing dramatic has happened but they don't see clearly.
Trump and Republicans are purposefully being coy right now. The reason is obvious. They don't know what the result of the DNC convention is going to be. We don't know who Biden's nominee for VP is going to be. Biden's VP pick is crucial this election because everyone knows, that VP is going to be the President. We also don't know if the DNC convention devolves into riots and chaos. If it ends up brokered and some other candidate is chosen like Jay Inslee, Andrew Cuomo, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama. It would be stupid for Republicans to nail ourselves down when there's so much in the air regarding Democrats.
Also, it's Democrats that are making mostly Democrat constituents shelter in place. It's Democrats allowing Democrats to ruin cities that vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. The way I look at it, the Democrats are in a three way civil war with each other. On one side are establishment "professional" dems that think they're just regular dems. Then there's a bunch of dems that are commie marxist radical revolutionaries that just want to tear everything apart. Lastly, there are a bunch of Dems that thought they were voting Dems like JFK and just realized half their political leadership make Lenin look like an amateur. These three factions can't live together. The longer we hold off, the more the first faction looks weak, ineffectual and petty. The second faction of revolutionaries looks like it's going to end up in power one way or another. The third faction is failing around trying to find good leaders and the smart ones in the third faction end up voting for Trump.
Very well said. The only problem I have is that there is seemingly no strategy to deal with this. You want to offer perspective and talk ppl off the ledge but then that makes you a "shill" somehow (as if Mike Lee or Sessions or whoever has ppl staffed to go on this web site and defend him). It's almost always a waste of time but the alternative is a completely rabid base that can't reason things out.
The only shilling that makes sense is the kind that sows division within the Trump camp and casts suspicion on solid Trump leaning guys or even full throated pro-Trump guys. The fact that people don't see that is unfortunate.
I'm personally here because I'm fervently pro-Trump, but I am running in to far too many "Only Trumpers." These are the types that either don't actually realize what team they are on or they don't realize that they are playing a team sport.
The problem is that we had two years when Republicans were the problem (ahem Paul Ryan) but now the problem is the Democrats control the House. Some of our less politically orientated pedes don't understand that for Congress to do something, we need both houses. They also don't see that the main role of the Senate, for us, right now, is getting nominations approved and so don't credit Lindsey Graham for being strongest were it counted, like getting Kavanaugh through. That was something that actually yields real results. I just don't know what they think Lindsey Graham or Mike Lee can do about the local government in Minneapolis allowing rioting, arson, looting etc. Senators and Representatives have no ability to do anything about it. If Trump goes in, it's going to be a trap to call him fascist and Kent State redux. On the other hand, I feel their frustration because it looks like we're doing nothing even though, right now, patience is a virtue. The Dems are about to screw up even more and we should let them.
Mike Lee is right. He's got the Dems on record being against condemning mob violence. That's what we want.
Understand this pedes, when they do what we want them to do, we praise them for it. Today, Mike Lee did what we want him to do. They're politicians. All they care about is good publicity and avoiding bad publicity. If we use any opportunity to bad on them, including when they do what we want them to do, than ANY publicity from us will be bad for them and they try to avoid doing anything.
Pedes, PRAISE Them when they do what we want and ATTACK them when they do what we don't want. Politicians are like pavlov's dog...you have to give them a treat to do good. Do not kick them when they do good. Kick them when they do bad. Most importantly, TELL our Republican leaders what you want them to do.
hijacking......
stop turning this into a referendum on his entire political career. Today he did good. Point out that today he did good. If he does something that pisses you off, then slam him but today he did what we want him to do. Start treating the politicians like Pavlov's dog instead of just kicking them over and over and over again, and especially don't kick them when they do what we want them to do.
everybody's out for blood is what it is. you also have to realize that just because people agree with you on issues or candidates in general doesn't mean they understand nuance or how to play the game. these same ppl also hold a grudge even after the fact because their whole mindset is emotional.
not only does he have something like a 90-95% solid voting record but this is also a good move on his part. but, you know he's been wishy washy on tech censorship or H1-B (or so they've been told) therefore he's a monster and he must be primaried. its the GD reddit mentality in my view.
I don't know if it's lack of nuance or just a total disconnect from the process. Some Republicans are so used to losing, we don't know how to win. That's exactly why I love Trump. He was going to teach us how to win. One of the ways Trumps does that is by treating an ally well "He's good. He does Amazing things. He's such a hard worker." but then when he's attacked by the same ally he calls them do nothings and traitors etc. Trump is still teaching us but we need to learn the lesson.
i meant lack of nuance in that many people observing don't understand how the game works. they also don't seem to be very good at where they are focusing their energy or what i would call "eyes on the prize." this is an example of both to me. he did something good but ppl only want to bring up his stance on an unrelated issue or postulate how this is "only making amends for ___." even then i say, "exactly, he's making amends, isn't that what you wanted?"
the perfect can't be the enemy of the good is basically what i'm saying.... especially not right now.
I absolutely agree with you. I understand the frustration of some people who just feel we're not winning because nothing dramatic has happened but they don't see clearly.
Trump and Republicans are purposefully being coy right now. The reason is obvious. They don't know what the result of the DNC convention is going to be. We don't know who Biden's nominee for VP is going to be. Biden's VP pick is crucial this election because everyone knows, that VP is going to be the President. We also don't know if the DNC convention devolves into riots and chaos. If it ends up brokered and some other candidate is chosen like Jay Inslee, Andrew Cuomo, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama. It would be stupid for Republicans to nail ourselves down when there's so much in the air regarding Democrats.
Also, it's Democrats that are making mostly Democrat constituents shelter in place. It's Democrats allowing Democrats to ruin cities that vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. The way I look at it, the Democrats are in a three way civil war with each other. On one side are establishment "professional" dems that think they're just regular dems. Then there's a bunch of dems that are commie marxist radical revolutionaries that just want to tear everything apart. Lastly, there are a bunch of Dems that thought they were voting Dems like JFK and just realized half their political leadership make Lenin look like an amateur. These three factions can't live together. The longer we hold off, the more the first faction looks weak, ineffectual and petty. The second faction of revolutionaries looks like it's going to end up in power one way or another. The third faction is failing around trying to find good leaders and the smart ones in the third faction end up voting for Trump.
Very well said. The only problem I have is that there is seemingly no strategy to deal with this. You want to offer perspective and talk ppl off the ledge but then that makes you a "shill" somehow (as if Mike Lee or Sessions or whoever has ppl staffed to go on this web site and defend him). It's almost always a waste of time but the alternative is a completely rabid base that can't reason things out.
The only shilling that makes sense is the kind that sows division within the Trump camp and casts suspicion on solid Trump leaning guys or even full throated pro-Trump guys. The fact that people don't see that is unfortunate.
I'm personally here because I'm fervently pro-Trump, but I am running in to far too many "Only Trumpers." These are the types that either don't actually realize what team they are on or they don't realize that they are playing a team sport.
The problem is that we had two years when Republicans were the problem (ahem Paul Ryan) but now the problem is the Democrats control the House. Some of our less politically orientated pedes don't understand that for Congress to do something, we need both houses. They also don't see that the main role of the Senate, for us, right now, is getting nominations approved and so don't credit Lindsey Graham for being strongest were it counted, like getting Kavanaugh through. That was something that actually yields real results. I just don't know what they think Lindsey Graham or Mike Lee can do about the local government in Minneapolis allowing rioting, arson, looting etc. Senators and Representatives have no ability to do anything about it. If Trump goes in, it's going to be a trap to call him fascist and Kent State redux. On the other hand, I feel their frustration because it looks like we're doing nothing even though, right now, patience is a virtue. The Dems are about to screw up even more and we should let them.
Yep. He's still an asshole and just trying to deflect from all the shitty things he's trying to do like increased immigration, etc.
Mike Lee is a coward. After his stupid both sides tweet when somebody was shot by antifa, he is doing this to save face.
Blaming the democrats because you won't do anything to stop mob violence is not a leader.
Democrats are by far the biggest mob in the USA.
Did the Democratic Senator Mitt Romney condemn mob violence? Last I heard, he was mum on the Provo shooting.
Did he do this in exchange for them supporting his work visa program?
Silence is guilt - by BLM’s own rules.
Mike Lee is right. He's got the Dems on record being against condemning mob violence. That's what we want.
Understand this pedes, when they do what we want them to do, we praise them for it. Today, Mike Lee did what we want him to do. They're politicians. All they care about is good publicity and avoiding bad publicity. If we use any opportunity to bad on them, including when they do what we want them to do, than ANY publicity from us will be bad for them and they try to avoid doing anything.
Pedes, PRAISE Them when they do what we want and ATTACK them when they do what we don't want. Politicians are like pavlov's dog...you have to give them a treat to do good. Do not kick them when they do good. Kick them when they do bad. Most importantly, TELL our Republican leaders what you want them to do.
Finally some republican leadership today!
RINOs do things right every once in a while.
Mike Lee is a rat. I don’t know what is going on in Utah for them to keep electing losers like Lee and Romney.