Oakland. Yup. She's at the mercy of the enemy - just like the McClosky's are at the mercy of the mixed-race SJW DA who is going to find something to charge them with in St. Louis.
You don't want to be that lone white guy in Zimbabwe who just used a gun in self-defense and now has to explain himself to a black jury, a black DA and a black judge.
Social media and our cell phones are making us socially retarded. This altercation between these two dummies could have been a simple minor conflict.
The black woman has a chip on her shoulder and blames racism for the way other people respond to her intolerable personality while the white woman does not know how to stand up for herself without going from 0 to 100.
Both parties are at fault and both are retarded as fuck.
Ehh .. Just ask yourself: would you pull a gun out in this situation?
Because I would not. You don't aim a gun at someone unless you plan on shooting them or defending your life from imminent danger.
Was she being harassed? Absolutely. Was her life in danger? I would say not from what I can see.
Edit: downvote all you want but i all but guarantee any of you try something like this you will most likely lose your guns and/or get arrested. Just fair warning.
Anyone who has been in any real conflict with another person knows that there is a lot of nuance and middle ground between "pacifism" and pulling a fucking gun out on someone.
That's where conflict resolution comes into play. That white woman could have walked away with her dignity while putting that disgusting black woman in her place.
Pulling a gun is completely uncalled for in this particular situation. Now a mob threatening to attack your home like that couple in St. Louis? That's an entirely different scenario.
You really think that angry black lady was going to be "put in her place" with words?
She threatened to beat both the husband and wife's ass repeatedly. If they would have tried to keep putting that woman in her place with words, there is no doubt in my mind she would have attacked.
They (the white couple) were trying to leave, the white lady tried to make peace, but angry black lady kept on working for a confrontation, she just didn't like the one she got.
You really think that angry black lady was going to be "put in her place" with words?
Short answer, yes. People will treat you the way you allow them to treat you. Especially the more belligerent people.
Watch the video closely. The white woman is letting herself get berated while those two black women insult her by calling her "ignorant" and then escalating the situation. She just looks down and nods her head trying to get out of the situation.
Because the white woman did not know how to stand up for herself using her words, the black women had free rein to then begin calling her and presumably her husband racial slurs and threatening them with violence.
We need more details about what happened when the white woman allegedly bumped into the 15-year old girl. This could have been completely prevented had the situation been handled at that exact moment.
So someone slaps your car and your first reaction us to aim a gun at them?
That is a good way to ... Huh ... Get arrested.
Right or wrong you will never win that court battle.
1st rule of guns is you don't aim it if you aren't willing to shoot it. Shooting this woman for slapping her vehicle, causing most likely no damage, is insane. She didn't even threaten her. She was just being a huge bitch and sorry downvote all you want but being a bitch and slapping someone's car isn't enough reason for me to aim a fucking pistol at them.
And it isn't in a court of law either.
Edit - if anyone can prove me wrong i would love to see it, so far all i have is a comparison to an animal attack in Africa lmao
What was that? Someone else who can't say anything i said was wrong?
Prove me wrong bud and put your money were your mouth is.
So far everyone is acting very much like cuck leftists on this by not being willing to have a debate, discussion, or offer up any counterpoints. Just downvotes and insults because you're all mad I'm 100% right.
Am i back in reddit? If I'm so stupid, it should be really easy to prove me wrong.
What the woman did has nothing to do with what you think or feel. She was surrounded by two irate black women looking for trouble and gaslighting her into believing she was in the wrong. She didn't pull out her weapon until the black mother attempted to block her escape by standing behind her car and hitting it. She then proceeds to walk towards the woman holding the gun further provoking her. If it was me in that situation I would have shot her square in the chest no second thoughts about it. She showed restraint in a chaotic situation and left the scene without firing a shot. I don't see what the problem is.
There isn't a court of law in this country that wouldn't charge you for murder, bud. Not a single one. That is called unnecessary escalation. Woman should have either waited for the black lady to actually damage her car (slapping a vehicle isn't fucking dangerous dude. That's fucking bullshit and you know it) or called the police and had her arrested for harassment.
Blocking her "escape"??? An argument with a another shopper is now imminent danger that you have to run for your life from a "chaotic situation"?
"Surrounded" by two unarmed women? She GOT OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR. SHE DIDN'T EVEN HONK OR ASK THEM TO MOVE SHE WENT STRAIGHT FOR HER GUN!! She clearly wrongfully escalated.
I'll give you that she was dumb as fuck to walk towards someone with a gun pointed at them, but dude, you fucking better have an air tight, provable case why you just blasted an unarmed person in a parking lot. And obviously she did not. Having your gun pointed at someone does not give you the right to shoot just because the got closer, you HAVE to be able to prove in some way your life was in danger. Not a judge in this country would believe it, nor a lawyer be able to defend you based on this video.
Stop trying to get people ignorant of the law fucking arrested. You're making us all look like retards.
Are you a lawyer or DA? No? Then you don't know how it would turn out. What I don't understand is why you are all worked up over this. I can hear you hyperventilating all the way over here.
Since when does unarmed equate to non violent? That statement you made of being unarmed assumes that the woman doesn't have a right to feel threatened unless her attackers are physically armed with weapons. She was being assaulted and as soon as the woman hit her car it became battery.
Definition of assault
(Entry 1 of 2)
1a : a violent physical or verbal attack
b : a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces an assault on the enemy's air base
c : a concerted effort (as to reach a goal or defeat an adversary) an assault on drug trafficking
2 law a : a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension (see apprehension sense 1) of such harm or contact — compare battery sense 1b
b : rape entry 1 sense 1
Definition of battery
1a : the act of beating someone or something with successive blows : the act of battering (see batter entry 1 sense 1)
b law : an offensive touching or use of force on a person without the person's consent evidence that supports a charge of battery — compare assault entry 1 sense 2a
This is easy. Just this last week we've had two rioters shoot into a car unprovoked, one of which actually hit the driver. They had to go to the hospital. One of them pointed their gun at the car while it was fleeing. Yes, the laws on guns are fucking strict and this women probably could've handled herself better, but you're lying to yourself if you think pulling out the gun wasn't the best option for preserving their life. And that's the most important thing here.
Also, it mostly certainly wasn't unprovoked. The woman had been harassing the from the start, she(the women going to their car) did try to deescalate the situation by leaving, but then the other bitch went to the back of the car preventing the women from leaving. At this point you have absolutely no idea what this women is capable of. You can pussysplain all you want, but it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
And let met just point out that freaking out and attacking someone's property in a rage is MOST CERTAINLY DANGEROUS! Do you know what escalation is? Let's risk our life in hopes this stranger freaking out, hitting my car and is trying to stop me at all costs just will just stop. And remember the other women is preventing her from leaving by standing directing in the back of the car. I don't know honestly, but as I said before with crazy people, it's better to be judged than carried. Well... your argument still stands, but at least us retards are still living. I take it you have been sheltered and have never had serious incident in your life?
Ok, try this scenario, which in my opinion, is what likely preceded the gun draw.
We can clearly see things up until the van starts backing up, then you can only hear what is going on while the younger girl is walking with her phone down.
The van is backing up, you hear the young girl say "Mom watch..." and then you can see the older black lady standing\walking behind the van as it backs out.
Then the older black lady yells something about "you gonna run me over!" and then a very loud thump as she hits the van. The she screams "I will beat your fucking ass"
Then you hear, but can't really see what is happening, did the older black lady approach the passenger door? Did she attempt to open it?
As the phone video comes back up, the door is open and the white lady is getting or is already out and, again, you cant see, but assume she has the gun in hand then.
They exchange some "get the fuck out of my face" " get back" " get the fuck back" and then you can see what happens after that, white lady chambers a round, and assumes shooting posture.
The only real issue to me is "did the older black lady approach and attempt to open the passenger side door?"
If the older black lady did that, no question, that is when you draw your firearm. You have no retreat, its stand your ground time.
Even if she just approached and was threatening or reaching for the door, it would be justified I think, as she had just announced she was going to "beat her ass"
I don't know why you're being downvoted, you make a solid point.
The truth is both of these retarded overly emotional women were at fault. The black woman has a shit personality but blames racism for how people respond to her while the white woman overreacted.
no shit
Then she has a gun raised and this black lady keeps walking forward.. fucking idiot.
Oakland. Yup. She's at the mercy of the enemy - just like the McClosky's are at the mercy of the mixed-race SJW DA who is going to find something to charge them with in St. Louis.
You don't want to be that lone white guy in Zimbabwe who just used a gun in self-defense and now has to explain himself to a black jury, a black DA and a black judge.
Oakland? Thought it was Michigan?
Oakland county
Being charged and being convicted are two different things, thank you.
Insults are the best way to win people over to your side.
I hope I’m in the jury.
And that's different for any other race? Your chat is weak.
Social media and our cell phones are making us socially retarded. This altercation between these two dummies could have been a simple minor conflict.
The black woman has a chip on her shoulder and blames racism for the way other people respond to her intolerable personality while the white woman does not know how to stand up for herself without going from 0 to 100.
Both parties are at fault and both are retarded as fuck.
Ehh .. Just ask yourself: would you pull a gun out in this situation?
Because I would not. You don't aim a gun at someone unless you plan on shooting them or defending your life from imminent danger.
Was she being harassed? Absolutely. Was her life in danger? I would say not from what I can see.
Edit: downvote all you want but i all but guarantee any of you try something like this you will most likely lose your guns and/or get arrested. Just fair warning.
The jogger slapped her car. Calling the police and driving away would have been a more effective response than pulling a fucking gun out on her.
This is what BLM wants. For people to overreact out of fear and give them more ammunition to expand their already tightening grip on our culture.
Anyone who has been in any real conflict with another person knows that there is a lot of nuance and middle ground between "pacifism" and pulling a fucking gun out on someone.
That's where conflict resolution comes into play. That white woman could have walked away with her dignity while putting that disgusting black woman in her place.
Pulling a gun is completely uncalled for in this particular situation. Now a mob threatening to attack your home like that couple in St. Louis? That's an entirely different scenario.
You really think that angry black lady was going to be "put in her place" with words?
She threatened to beat both the husband and wife's ass repeatedly. If they would have tried to keep putting that woman in her place with words, there is no doubt in my mind she would have attacked.
They (the white couple) were trying to leave, the white lady tried to make peace, but angry black lady kept on working for a confrontation, she just didn't like the one she got.
Short answer, yes. People will treat you the way you allow them to treat you. Especially the more belligerent people.
Watch the video closely. The white woman is letting herself get berated while those two black women insult her by calling her "ignorant" and then escalating the situation. She just looks down and nods her head trying to get out of the situation.
Because the white woman did not know how to stand up for herself using her words, the black women had free rein to then begin calling her and presumably her husband racial slurs and threatening them with violence.
We need more details about what happened when the white woman allegedly bumped into the 15-year old girl. This could have been completely prevented had the situation been handled at that exact moment.
So someone slaps your car and your first reaction us to aim a gun at them?
That is a good way to ... Huh ... Get arrested.
Right or wrong you will never win that court battle.
1st rule of guns is you don't aim it if you aren't willing to shoot it. Shooting this woman for slapping her vehicle, causing most likely no damage, is insane. She didn't even threaten her. She was just being a huge bitch and sorry downvote all you want but being a bitch and slapping someone's car isn't enough reason for me to aim a fucking pistol at them.
And it isn't in a court of law either.
Edit - if anyone can prove me wrong i would love to see it, so far all i have is a comparison to an animal attack in Africa lmao
It's okay if you want to be a cuck but don't try getting any new recruits without expecting a little pushback.
What was that? Someone else who can't say anything i said was wrong?
Prove me wrong bud and put your money were your mouth is.
So far everyone is acting very much like cuck leftists on this by not being willing to have a debate, discussion, or offer up any counterpoints. Just downvotes and insults because you're all mad I'm 100% right.
Am i back in reddit? If I'm so stupid, it should be really easy to prove me wrong.
I'll wait.
What the woman did has nothing to do with what you think or feel. She was surrounded by two irate black women looking for trouble and gaslighting her into believing she was in the wrong. She didn't pull out her weapon until the black mother attempted to block her escape by standing behind her car and hitting it. She then proceeds to walk towards the woman holding the gun further provoking her. If it was me in that situation I would have shot her square in the chest no second thoughts about it. She showed restraint in a chaotic situation and left the scene without firing a shot. I don't see what the problem is.
There isn't a court of law in this country that wouldn't charge you for murder, bud. Not a single one. That is called unnecessary escalation. Woman should have either waited for the black lady to actually damage her car (slapping a vehicle isn't fucking dangerous dude. That's fucking bullshit and you know it) or called the police and had her arrested for harassment.
Blocking her "escape"??? An argument with a another shopper is now imminent danger that you have to run for your life from a "chaotic situation"?
"Surrounded" by two unarmed women? She GOT OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR. SHE DIDN'T EVEN HONK OR ASK THEM TO MOVE SHE WENT STRAIGHT FOR HER GUN!! She clearly wrongfully escalated.
I'll give you that she was dumb as fuck to walk towards someone with a gun pointed at them, but dude, you fucking better have an air tight, provable case why you just blasted an unarmed person in a parking lot. And obviously she did not. Having your gun pointed at someone does not give you the right to shoot just because the got closer, you HAVE to be able to prove in some way your life was in danger. Not a judge in this country would believe it, nor a lawyer be able to defend you based on this video.
Stop trying to get people ignorant of the law fucking arrested. You're making us all look like retards.
Are you a lawyer or DA? No? Then you don't know how it would turn out. What I don't understand is why you are all worked up over this. I can hear you hyperventilating all the way over here.
Since when does unarmed equate to non violent? That statement you made of being unarmed assumes that the woman doesn't have a right to feel threatened unless her attackers are physically armed with weapons. She was being assaulted and as soon as the woman hit her car it became battery.
Definition of assault
(Entry 1 of 2) 1a : a violent physical or verbal attack b : a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces an assault on the enemy's air base c : a concerted effort (as to reach a goal or defeat an adversary) an assault on drug trafficking 2 law a : a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension (see apprehension sense 1) of such harm or contact — compare battery sense 1b b : rape entry 1 sense 1
Definition of battery
1a : the act of beating someone or something with successive blows : the act of battering (see batter entry 1 sense 1) b law : an offensive touching or use of force on a person without the person's consent evidence that supports a charge of battery — compare assault entry 1 sense 2a
This is easy. Just this last week we've had two rioters shoot into a car unprovoked, one of which actually hit the driver. They had to go to the hospital. One of them pointed their gun at the car while it was fleeing. Yes, the laws on guns are fucking strict and this women probably could've handled herself better, but you're lying to yourself if you think pulling out the gun wasn't the best option for preserving their life. And that's the most important thing here.
Also, it mostly certainly wasn't unprovoked. The woman had been harassing the from the start, she(the women going to their car) did try to deescalate the situation by leaving, but then the other bitch went to the back of the car preventing the women from leaving. At this point you have absolutely no idea what this women is capable of. You can pussysplain all you want, but it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
And let met just point out that freaking out and attacking someone's property in a rage is MOST CERTAINLY DANGEROUS! Do you know what escalation is? Let's risk our life in hopes this stranger freaking out, hitting my car and is trying to stop me at all costs just will just stop. And remember the other women is preventing her from leaving by standing directing in the back of the car. I don't know honestly, but as I said before with crazy people, it's better to be judged than carried. Well... your argument still stands, but at least us retards are still living. I take it you have been sheltered and have never had serious incident in your life?
"She GOT OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR. SHE DIDN'T EVEN HONK OR ASK THEM TO MOVE SHE WENT STRAIGHT FOR HER GUN!! "
This is where you are most likely wrong.
I think the angry black lady come up to the passenger door and either tried to open it or was reaching for it..
Really need another video to say for sure, but I am getting that is what set it off.
Ok, try this scenario, which in my opinion, is what likely preceded the gun draw.
We can clearly see things up until the van starts backing up, then you can only hear what is going on while the younger girl is walking with her phone down.
The van is backing up, you hear the young girl say "Mom watch..." and then you can see the older black lady standing\walking behind the van as it backs out.
Then the older black lady yells something about "you gonna run me over!" and then a very loud thump as she hits the van. The she screams "I will beat your fucking ass"
Then you hear, but can't really see what is happening, did the older black lady approach the passenger door? Did she attempt to open it?
As the phone video comes back up, the door is open and the white lady is getting or is already out and, again, you cant see, but assume she has the gun in hand then.
They exchange some "get the fuck out of my face" " get back" " get the fuck back" and then you can see what happens after that, white lady chambers a round, and assumes shooting posture.
The only real issue to me is "did the older black lady approach and attempt to open the passenger side door?"
If the older black lady did that, no question, that is when you draw your firearm. You have no retreat, its stand your ground time.
Even if she just approached and was threatening or reaching for the door, it would be justified I think, as she had just announced she was going to "beat her ass"
Does that help?
I don't know why you're being downvoted, you make a solid point.
The truth is both of these retarded overly emotional women were at fault. The black woman has a shit personality but blames racism for how people respond to her while the white woman overreacted.
People don't know how to handle conflict anymore.
Yeah dude these people are not thinking logically, I'm thinking none of them even own a gun.
Or even been in a minor conflict for that matter. Anyone who's been in a fight knows it's infinitely better to prevent them than get into them.
Exactly. It's fucking self defense 101