To be fair they’ve sucked for a long time
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Watched Tombstone last night. Shit was fucking awesome. 1993
"Your boys might get me In a rush but not before I turn your head into a canoe"
You tell ‘em I’m coming and hell’s coming with me!
Best. Line. Ever
"NO... He ain't bluffing "
"I'm your huckleberry." (or was that the Costner one?)
No, you're correct.
I just learned that they got that line from historical documents supposedly.
Supposedly they had to fire the original director on Tombstone and the guy brought in to replace him was a first time director and sort of folded under the pressure. Val Kilmer has made remarks that Kurt Russell should have been nominated for the film's directing, as he saved the movie and was the de facto director for the majority of the filming.
I also learned that the shoot-out scene with Curly Bill is historically accurate, at least based upon "Turkey Creek" Johnson's and Sherman McMaster's testimony, which is crazy to think about. From what I read Johnson and McMaster felt the same way.
Love that movie and love that it was as accurate as it was. I am sure they took license with plenty, but I love that movie just the way it is.
That's cool info; thank you:)
Great movie, and they did take license: the Doc Holiday/Johnny Ringo shoot-out never really happened. Ringo eventually killed himself. I guess he was just too high-strung.
Thanks:)
At least once a month here. Tombstone is top 5 westerns of all time.
"Poor soul, you were just too high strung…I'm afraid the strain was more than he could bear."
Why Johnny Ringo...you look like somebody just...walked over your grave.
I have watched less and less new entertainment content over the past 20 years. There is plenty of older stuff that is high quality and worth watching again. I assume I'll continue doing this until the end of my days.
the three Lord of the Rings movies were good
Extended cuts. You owe it to yourselves to watch the full extended cut of each movie. I can’t watch the theatrical cuts anymore.
My wife and I watch them every winter around the holidays. We watch The Hobbit movies as well, although they are definitely not as good as LoTR.
Haha yeah same as us. They're our "Christmas movies" of choice.
I'm alone on this, but i liked the hobbit ones more. I think its because it's a tighter story about a handful of characters rather than a story about a 20 person fellowship, a handful of kingdoms and everyone they know?
That, and one trilogy has a well-spoken dragon that likes money.
I'd knew nothing about the hobbit except he was frotos uncle and that smaug scene (which was the first hobbit movie i saw) blew my fucking mind.
I think if you had read the books then The Hobbit would have been a bigger disappointment. I think that the movies are entertaining but they really are a bastardized version of the Tolkien story. Far more liberties were taken with The Hobbit than with LoTR.
Agreed. I read the books once a year, have since I was a kid. The hobbit isn’t even the same story. Soooo much different. The trilogy was much closer other than fla couple things like Tom bombadil and the return to the shire being cut out, but let’s be real that would’ve made them even longer. I feel like the hobbit should have been only two movies, but they made three for a money grab
The only version of The Hobbit that I'll watch is the 1977 animated movie. I showed my husband LoTR when we were still dating (he grew up with Harry Potter) and he loved them. I then showed him both the animated Hobbit and the Hobbit trilogy and he preferred the animated one. For me, the live-action Hobbit was definitely a let down, which is why I prefer the animated one. It's much closer to the books and a heck-of-a-lot shorter too!
Also, the 1980 animated version of "The Return of the King" is pretty good too. Not as good as the live-action, but still good. Even has some things that weren't in the live-action version.
If you haven't seen them, they are definitely worth a watch. Plus, you get one of the best animated songs ever (in a kind of funny way)! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y
Yep, I have the animated versions of both. I saw them in the theater in the 1970s when they were released.
The Hobbit movies are great if you watch them as World of Warcraft instead of Tolkien.
Hobbit movies are trash.
Theatrical are so shoehorned with content its awful
This, and also the "making of" movies -- they came with my boxed set that I bought with a 40% off coupon at Borders. Way back when. I even got a little plastic Minas Tirith.
And I can tell you, those features on how they made the movies are almost as good as the movies themselves! Not kidding. I was amazed.
Haha got the same kit, my model is still proudly displayed on my shelf.
I dunno, there's some awkward shit in there I didn't mind getting cut.
Yep, the Hobbit movies, although Jackson was involved, were clearly sold out to greed and were a complete pile of shit.
You could take the 3 Hobbit movies and maybe edit them down to a single movie and it would be passable, but all the things they added were horrible and cringe worthy.
They lost the whole point of the book, that even the smallest person can do big things and be an unlikely hero.
That and the entire theme of the Dwarves, in the book they there were lazy, cowardly, greedy, incompetent and self centered but somewhat redeemed themselves when faced with their own short comings. IN the movies, they were strong, brave, competent and heroic from the get go, they even got the girl and only turned dark when faced with the success they achieved.
Sorry, this subject gets me to ranting.
Guillermo del Toro is to blame for the Hobbit movies fiasco. He was set to direct, made it all the way through preproduction, spent all the funds, finalized the script and then deuced out at the last second. Jackson stepped in to save the films, but he confessed on the directors commentary that it was a mistake to do so. He isn't really very good at working on the fly, and directing takes a huge toll on him. He was just coming off of another production that was very difficult, and was having health issues to boot.
He did it because they simply couldn't push back production to fix the weird script. They didn't have the money, and there was an issue with the license for the story. Tolkien's estate is apparently a bit of a nightmare about their license. It was a use or lose situation for them. To make matters worse, he ended up having timeline and budget issues anyway and spent most of the production mired in conflict with producers and banks over that. It's actually a bit heartbreaking to hear him talk about it.
You aren't wrong. We still watch The Hobbit movies but they are flawed and far less enjoyable than LoTR. I completely agree that one movie that adhered to the book would have been far superior to the crap that they ended up with.
Agree, they were awesome.
Watch newest rambo. Holy shit, dude! Today. Do it.
Thought it was kind of cheap but still better than anything made today.
I saw it and didn’t care for it.
Sicario and most of the stuff Tom Cruise has made is ok.
Broke even on quality.
There’s new stuff too. Curmudgeons have been saying this since cave paintings
Yes, there is new stuff, but over time the percentage of new content that's high quality has been dropping. They just produce tons of crap to fill all the channels.
Also, decades ago they used to create some excellent content based on good writing and good acting. Today, so much of it is stupid potty humor, cgi, violence and foul language. The available talent has been spread too thin.
Also, these days, most new content is pushing some agenda or another, which annoys the hell out of me.
Face it, entertainment content has gone downhill.
Yeah, they are giving us cheap commie stuff. We pay for them to brainwash us with anti-American propaganda.
I say let them all go bankrupt.
We can write our own stuff.
Sonic the Hedgehog was the only movie I've seen this year. It was pretty good. Even before this covid shit, there wasn't much coming out that was good.
Blech.
No, it was not good.
It should have been a CGI movie about Sonic going after the chaos emeralds.
Not about Sonic helping Cyclops... become an SFPD officer??
Parasite was good. I was annoyed when Trump made fun of it.
It was good, but it really wasn't Best Picture good. Not like the other options were better, admittedly. It had the illusion of deeper meaning, without any actual meaning.
I hate this argument. It ignores the fact that the arts really are becoming worse. Just because every generation has thought art is going to shit doesn't mean it's not true. The Grandpa Simpson argument is supposed to be a joke, not a profound statement.
What you’re saying is absolutely true. If every movie, show, etc is made not with art in mind, but for the purpose of propagandizing the masses or with the aim of political correctness superseding the creation of the art itself—it ceases to be art. It’s no longer functioning in any honest form of its original intent. It’s the purest form of “cringe”—sitting through some movie wishing it was good, lured there by the trailers, only to be massively disappointed by the 2 hour “teachable moment” you had to endure.
People who created ILM and Star Wars are still making new things today. Same thing in the video game industry. And many new artists grew up having curated excellent content like never before. Now musicians can make a polished album with a thousand bucks of equipment alone in their apartment.
We're in for a wild ride of excellent content this next decade.
I've been smelling a Renaissance coming on the horizon. We have everything at our disposal for one, just waiting for the Corporations to be beaten even just a little bit back.
You make a good point about the trickle down economics of production. It’s cheaper than ever to make good audio and video quality stuff. And what I love about it is that the best new creators are just random people, not huge corporations.
The fact that anyone can create music with a MacBook and a midi controller is exactly why music is so awful today. It killed the album, and it killed physical media, which are half the enjoyment in listening to music in the first place. The other half is ruined by any ol Joe being able to put their album up, so you have to sift through tens of thousands of artists to find one good one, and when you do, it’s some unknown who you’ll likely never see or hear about anyway.
This environment killed the music industry. As nice as it is that it became affordable and cut out middlemen like managers, talent scouts, etc; it’s also why the vast majority of anything easily accessible is trash. In the past you actually had to understand music theory, be able to play an instrument, compose good songs, work with other musicians, play tirelessly until recognized and being offered studio time. Without that, far less thought and thus far less quality in music is the result
Stop looking for music from (((labels))), because you're right that everything they put out is pro-drug, pro-sodomy, pro-degeneracy, and it's all on purpose.
But that same democratization of music you mention is why there's actually better music than ever before. And I grew up listening to indie darlings in the 1990s--and trust me, we were quite sure back then that we had discovered the best possible fucking bands that could ever be, especially compared to the pop radio trash--yet I'm still here to tell you that there's great music out there now. It's just harder to find, because instead of, you know, 20 bands comprising a whole scene, there are 30 bands comprising a micro-sub-scene of a sub-scene of a scene. It's admittedly very indulgent, but I'm pretty sure I would feel the same self of importance if I were 16 and in a band right now, too.
As for not playing instruments, I 95% agree: when "singer songwriters" all produce via Macbook, it's incredibly lame. Just the other day some Spotify New Music promo popped up and I clicked it for fun--some pitifully lame autotuned prettyboy crooner whining over recycled beats that sound like the 2020 version of the Casio Demo Button. But the real fun was clicking on Related Artists...and holy hell: 20 more identical nobodies, identical autotuned crap, over identical Demo Button backtracks. That said, some EDM artists have used digital platforms to create engaging music. Anyway, to each their own.
I’m not being lazy or whining. I spend most of my time listening to, and searching for, music (and even noted there is good stuff out there today), have a full analog recording studio (complete mixing board and r2r) in my home, a hifi system and table worth more than my car, and am a musician active in the local scene myself. Further, an album/song recorded in a real studio is easily distinguished from one recorded with a laptop, interface and a couple sm-57s in an apartment. That’s where my assertion came from
Edit: my general point is that music (and as much as I want to say objectively I’ll acknowledge it’s still subjective) today is just simply not as good, and as your response even implies, it takes work to find anything good. In a matter of 2 minutes I can rattle you off without thinking 10 of the best songwriters, 10 of the best guitarists, and 10 of the best bands, where everyone would at least recognize and acknowledge the greatness of all of them, from the 60s-90s. It would take me a lot more time and effort to do the same for 2000 onward, and even then the list wouldn’t be close to comparable.
People have been saying what you said since other people created art and they’ll be saying it until they stop and it doesn’t matter what you hate
Today's music is NOT in any way subjectively or objectively better than the music from the 60s/70s/80s. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
When I was a younger wiseass I used to love riling hipster friends up by arguing--for as long as anyone was willing to stay non-violent during the discussion (sometimes a surprisingly brief duration) and with as much evidence as I needed--that Beethoven's 9th Symphony is the finest piece of music ever written, and ever can be written. This is still correct. Since you seem like one of those people, I'll merrily restate the plain truth that drug-laced morally-bankrupt pseudo-political jam-downs by unoriginal blues-copycat guitarist hacks from 1960-1970 are worthless drivel in comparison.
But that said, there is plenty, plenty, plenty of music from the 1990s till now on par with the best of the incredible classis of the 1960s-80s (I don't actually consider Kansas drivel, except maybe in comparison to, say, Tchaikovsky's 6th).
Depends what you're into. If you think Katie Perry / Satanic Gaga (Actually, you can add "satanic" to most pop artists you mention) are the best things the 2000-2020s have to offer in music, you're hugely missing out . The best music isn't on the radio, because music radio has always been a mediocrity payola racket (and once those racketeers realized that a handful of amoral musical theorists in Sweden mastered the Pop Song formula, it got even worse). Depends what you're into. If you want layered modern melodic jams, try Built to Spill or The Joy Formidable or something. Not Lady fucking Gaga!
In the words of the temporarily-silenced, that's not an argument. Neither objective nor subjective evaluation are intrinsically related to record sales. You picked easy targets for a barrel-fish comparison, and I'm pointing out that having done so was in err.
You realize I point out Lady Gaga and Katie Perry because those are the big sellers, right? They're household names -- even I know them, and I'm an uncultured swine.
And you seem to have my temperament confused with that of a leftist's, fren.
I think that’s provably untrue considering the sheer quantity of available music compared to 40 years ago
Quality > quantity. I'll take one Kansas track over the last 400 Katie Perry / Lady Gaga / Ariana Grande / Justin Bieber songs that have been pumped out to sound the exact same because that's what producers and marketers have decided to sell.
Kygo makes quality music
Ya and people from the 1920’s prefer the big bopper
That’s part of what makes music so horrible today. It’s entirely disposable, nothing memorable, and you have to sift through a heaping pile of trash to find anything decent... and when you do, it’s something nobody’s heard of.
Music is trash today. That doesn’t mean there’s no good music, but the industry has ruined music today by creating the situation I noted above. Anyone with a MacBook and a midi controller can upload their trash to SoundCloud, and good luck finding the .1% decent music out of the 99.9% disposable and formulated trash. This situation has also killed the album, and nobody has physical media anymore which is at least half the enjoyment in listening to music.
You're right about Soundcloud. But there's another angle to the story: the real rubber-meeting-the-road of self-produced music scenes these days, in so far as I can tell as an aging hipster nearly ten years out being cool (likely more), is the live show. If a band gets a good touring schedule going, even locally, it's probably because they're A) good and B) part of a supportive group of like-minded musicians and fans.
So? I agree that people have always said it and will always say it, but I still disagree with what you are taking this to mean. And you're not being clear. Woud you mind elaborating as to what exactly are you saying by this?
It’s always applied by leftists. Perfect example is “what people are saying about transgenders is exactly the same stuff as people were saying about gays in the 70’s”. As if things can’t be different this time. But the argument is also a lie. It’s not the exact same stuff that people are saying. And the verdict isn’t in yet on whether the stuff people were saying about gays in the 70’s was correct or not. The left acts like it’s all been obviously disproven, but it hasnt. Many of those arguments were longitudinal - they claimed that promoting this stuff in the long run will destroy families and turn out culture more pedophilic. And every day it’s looking like they were at least partly right. How else do you explain drag queen twerking hour?
I call this argument the “everything is the same” argument. In the minds of these people, once you experience one thing , you’re done learning and you just transplant your understanding onto everything from then on out. They’re basically saying “because we already dealt with this other totally different issue, we don’t need to learn anything here and we can just assume that what we are currently looking at is more of the same.”
That statement would carry a lot more water if it weren't for the fact that a tiny handful of multi-hundred-billion dollar media mega-conglomerates bought every entertainment production outfit that wasn't nailed down, and trot out agenda-driven anti-American Marxist postmodern agitprop trash. But since that fact DOES stand, we can safely say that pop art is now fucking degenerate. The history of Weimar should already tell you this, but if you don't know it then let me tell you straight up: Drag Teens Fucked Live: The Show is only a matter of time from its Netflix/Hulu/Disney premier if we don't put a stop to it.
We're not "curmudgeons". These are shitty movies with shitty political messages.
The difference is that now there has been a long march through our institutions by socialists who are subverting art into propaganda. When this is all over, we will finally see good art again.
Same here. I watched something called The Meg the other night. I laughed for the first 5 mins, then was beating my head in for the rest. I had to watch to see how bad China has gotten
This is the root of endless copyright - the ownership and production companies aren't worried about having to compete with each other - they're worried about competing with their own back catalogs, because topping previous releases requires more effort and creativity, while out-competing contemporary releases only requires being a little less lazy than your peers.
I was once an aspiring novelist. I haven't had any writing time since the lockdowns started, now I'm so depressed I don't know when I can pick the pen up again. I know that if I'm successful these brown shirts are just going to come after me anyway....
I'm not good with marketing. After my last publisher decided to go solo, I got the rights back to my books. Two of them actually are religiously themed. (Not Jesus Christ -- I'm Jewish -- but I put in a lot of Jewish type morality as contrasted to the will-to-power of the more barbarous people) And a third book that was a bit more reality versus fantasy theme.
I self published the third book but I'm not good at promotion so it's stagnant. Not sure where to go next. I don't have a big audience and I'm not savvy in that way.
Yeah, I'm learning a new job skill as well that should help my career (assuming America still exists next week). So my time dwindled a great deal.
But we should certainly advance conservative media companies. Don't know hy we haven't.
Don't get too down on yourself for not being a top-performing, self-starting, marketing machine in addition to your skills as a novelist.
I don't know you from English Bob, but I doubt that is a very realistic bar you've set for yourself.
We all need help and luck to make things happen, you are not alone.
Ask yourself what makes you different than other authors we lionize today but were never revered in their time? If your work is prescient, it is not likely to be received well by the current society the author is in. But it might be seen from a very different perspective in the future. Might want to keep that in mind when you are writing.
Tons of amazing authors toiled their entire lives in virtual anonymity. It is a rough road for a writer. Always has been, not that this is news to you.
Best advice I ever got was just keep writing.
Good luck to you regardless. I hope you do not have to toil in anonymity and get the recognition your work deserves.
Thanks, you know, when I was young and ambitious, I was like: "Maybe my writing will help my name live forever!" I was after a sort of immortality. Never be forgotten, like a Plato or a Shakespeare.
When I became a father, I stopped caring. My children are my immortality. It just seems less important.
Hopefully I'll get the swing back for it. And hopefully the cultural nuttiness will pass soon too.
Have you read the 299 Days series by Glen Tate?
This times a thousand. It's like, just because a story is aimed at a Christian market, there can't be anything gritty, or there's no cursing, or anything like that. Real life is not like that. I'm a Christian, but I curse, I mess up and do non - Christian things all the time. I SIN all the time. Because I'm a sinner, duh, that's why I need Jesus in the first place. Hardly any Christian movies or books come out that accurately portrays anything close to how life is, in real life.
Chronicles of Narnia. The Lord of the Rings.
Depression is just "anger, turned inward". Plus learned helplessness.
That anger? Start writing the next 1984, but do it with a happy ending. 1984 started bleak and went super bleak. Make a short novel that starts bleak, goes super bleak, but synthesize a plot where hope starts to go against the tide, and eventually sanity and normalcy reign.
Get energized! Break out OneNote or FocusWriter (my fave writing apps) and start accumulating lists of the doublethink and their antidotes, etc.
Just start dropping 1000 words of garbage content per day into your writing app, inevitably the fog clears and the muse ignites. The gold nuggets usually come in the 2nd or 3rd page of of horseshit, lol. For me anyway.
Amen.
Which step is most important?
The next one.
Always the next one.
They say anxiety is dwelling in the future, an uncontrollable, and depression is dwelling the past, another uncontrollable. Hence, living in the present gives you your locus of control over your life back.
I HIGHLY suggest meditating with the Headspace app, it's guided and calming. You just listen to the voice for 2 mins, 5, 10, pick one, and it's basically just imagining your mental space as you, lying on your back on a peaceful, grassy, hillside on a sunny day, and "observing" your thought, as clouds, pass by. Thoughts are clouds passing by, and you can see the dark ones, but instead of falling into them like quicksand, you peacefully observe them, separate from you, enter your headspace, not fight them, but detached from them, and they pass through like clouds overhead in the distance. It's great.
Are you poking fun at George? Seems like a lockdown would be the perfect time to try to get some writing in.
Not when you're entertaining two young children most of the day and by night time there's no energy left.
Fair enough, although at least they may be giving you some ideas for the future:)
Doubtful, Martin doesn't give a shit about what people think should be in the book.
Yeah basically his preferred ending where khaleesi was a bad girl, despite being predicted since the very beginning (you can see it being foreshadowed as early as season 2) was "interpreted" as being terrible. Sure the last season had issues but overall it was good, and the liberal/feminist retcon that it was "terrible" is bullshit.
To sum it up, Martin's vision was that the daughter took after her father, which acknowledged both genetics and says something bad about women, which is why it got 'canceled' in the popular sphere. None of the complaints were even about real issues with the last season!
Those 2 seasons were where the 2 showrunners took over writing cux JR Martin hadn't written that far yet.
He was kinda pissed how the show went, dudes, based, all he needs to do is just finish his story, and nobody will care.
Martin was always a shitty writer, and his message was never deep or interesting.
The message wasn't deep, the threads were woven RIGHT under the surface. Everyone wasted their time trying to see where they lead and they didn't come back together in some great tapestry they just stopped. Such a disappointment
This reads like hyperbole but it is most definitely not. I‘ve been in the industry for 15 years and what he says is absolutely true. Movies and television are going to be ruthless on the coming years in trying to demoralize the populace.
Only sad, somber movies to remind you how terrible you are for being white or a man or conservative. Cops will be shown as stupid and brutish (if not sociopathic) White men will be slow, have “outdated” ideals and will always need a woman (of color) to teach him the way and belittle him.
Every show with a white woman lead will have the biggest, blackest, most muscular co-Stars that will show them in the most explicit, disgusting love scenes possible to throw it in people’s faces.
Everything will revolve around hate, depression, anxiety and fear. No relief unless you guzzle down the bullshit. No comedies unless there’s a mixed couple (Slow stupid white man with a sassy, annoying, woke black woman), nothing that will bring men or anyone that isn’t non white any joy whatsoever.
Stop watching new movies and television!!!!! STOP IT!!! This is coming from someone in the industry!! Especially your kids, keep an eye on what they’re watching because they’ve poisoned that well also.
I’d be interested to hear your perspective on Hollywood essentially only marketing to global (Chinese) markets with these tentpole marvel movies, Disney, etc. I read a book a while back about the shift from making movies for an American audience, and around the mid-late 90s that shifted due to DVD sales threatening the box office returns as well as the Chinese market opening up. I can’t remember the name of the book but it was really interesting, from a screenwriter’s perspective in the industry.... of course now so much of it is pure junk with soulless content just to indoctrinate everyone like you said...
Hollywood is one hundred percent bought out by the CCP. It's a full on cult now. There isn't ONE project in Hollywood right now that isn't being catered towards chinese audiences, younger "woke" audiences (read teenage girls) or filled to the brim with communist garbage. I'm not exaggerating when I say they make it a point to make sure that white people have no power, no influence on film unless it's to serve minorities (and this is coming from a minority). They don't care about telling stories anymore, just preaching.
They don't even have to hide it now, since the Overton Window has shifted so dramatically. Even worse, the machine that makes this possible has all but assured Hollywood became too big to fail. I'm usually not a conspiracy loon, but I one hundred percent think that Disney fudged the numbers on Captain Marvel and probably a ton more shit as well just to push this shit forward.
Nothing of any value is coming. They're going to cast a black Superman anytime now (Michael B. Jordan is the front runner) which will demonize white people because it will be written as an allegory against slavery, the new Michael Reeves Batman will be a woke fest as they made sure to cast an effeminate Batman (Robert Pattinson) and stick as many token minorities in it as possible (not to mention the director being an enormous SJW), the new Bond will basically have James Bond kissing the feet of a new black agent throughout the entire movie (also co-written by Phoebe Waller a monstrous, man hating cunt) and have him kowtow to every woman (unless it's to save her of course).
My long winded point is, Hollywood is dead. Done. Gone. And I'm not even kidding. Even when we win in November, they're just going to try to demoralize us for another 4 years. Don't let them. Drop Hollywood from your lives, it was never necessary to begin with, we were just lied to.
Thanks for your reply. It’s just so sad and unnecessary.... and disgusting honestly. Maybe one day there will be a renaissance of sorts... something outside of Hollywood... I’d be happy to contribute to that in any way shape or form.
Start with rebuilding communities. Then grow it from there.
Hollywood has always been an evil place, but their messaging used to be more subtle. I'm surprised how far they are taking it now. I can't stomach any of it so I simply do other things. (and listen to old music lol)
How do people in the industry feel about it? Are they scared of the new direction, confused about why it is happening, or mostly onboard with it?
Honestly, I stopped years ago. I'm not sure whether it was Legend of Korra or Doc McStuffins (a show my kid used to watch) that clued me in as to what was happening, but I saw the push years ago and cut the cord. I think that's where I first started noticing what people kinda call the "netflix" pattern, where they open up with "normal" entertainment, only to start shoving the "woke" crap several seasons in. Now I won't touch most new western media with a 49 1/2 foot pole. No reason to get attached. It's a trap. I let myself be "fooled" again by Ducktales. It ended up the same. I am done. Unless a series is completely finished and people can tell me in hindsight that it's "safe", I'm not going back.
I let myself enjoy some movies...if only because I figured that Disney wouldn't push too far with Marvel. Never saw Captain Marvel, but the last Avengers movie was enough of an "ending" that I felt confident walking away. Those movies have jumped the shark and I'd rather leave on a high note than let them wear out their welcome. Knowing that they are pushing heavily now, and that tokenism crap is showing up in even Pixar now (even if light/background stuff), I feel like I need a very, very long break. I'm anime-only until convinced otherwise.
There is literally nothing of any value that's being produced in Hollywood now. I'm not even exaggerating. Stick to old movies and television shows. Everything new is poison.
Ah yes the legend of korra...the american anime..and of course its about a muscular lesbo..
I agree with you on the anime-only part, I am as well. It's the only way to watch something that actually has good writing these days, and barely any SJW bullshit.
Vox has the same problem as Ducktales. Beautiful motion graphics / animation / skilled artisanship, but then a tiny sliver of wokeness. If all their other content is quality, why wouldn't their woke opinions be quality as well?
John Oliver is the same. Or the Adam Hates Everything guy. Just because he did good journalism in calling out bullshit in industries such as dog breeding or marriage diamonds, doesn't mean they are being honest about their woke pieces.
Vice is another that comes to mind. Sometimes they do great journalism with quality production values. But they also have a ton of blatant propaganda.
Oliver and Adam started the same way: calling out obvious bullshit (there's certainly enough low-hanging fruit to call out), but then they get seduced by the industry and "onboarded". It's never a contract, it's just insinuation, you're part of this great family now, your manager and studio contacts and network friends, you'll be on the call next week and we'll talk, right? You'll be coming to the party this weekend? The studios know how to consume talent, shape it to their whims, without ever forcing their hand.
Before they know it, they're producing Orange Man Bad content but they're part of the club and have a house in the hills.
Stop paying for Netflix and Amazon Prime as well.
My teenage kids have zero interest in movies or TV. They cared about Marvel movies for awhile but by the time End Game came out they were pretty much done with it.
They watch Youtubers, and they seem to have a pretty good bullshit meter.
Nice! Keep an eye on YouTube, there’s a TON of woke, Anti-American garbage geared specifically towards teenagers (and even more specifically towards teenage girls). Keep up the good parenting!
I was raised with limited “media time” each and every day (30-90 minutes) and am beyond thankful for it.
That simple rule instilled a lifelong love of reading and learning, as well as avoided my brain getting turned to mush. My parents were vigilant about limiting which shows were allowable as well (notably, spongebob was not allowed - there’s been multiple studies on that show’s detrimental affects to childrens’ attention spans and ability to retain information).
When I’m a parent I will implement the same rules. It’s that simple
Hopefully we'll get some based independent works.
That's what I was going to say. There is a "yuge" opportunity here for indi films that cut against the grain. We're talkin more than half the country that would leap at movies that aren't trying to preach the left wing narrative for 90% of the film.
They would be panned hard by the critics and loved by the people who actually pay to see stuff. Honestly, when I see a rotten tomatoes review where the critic score is super low and the audiience score is super high, I know that's a movie I wanna see!
Yeah, there's definitely a massive market opening up for alternative entertainment, something with true grit, less shine more character.
We need more of the good stuff, like the original Predator. Well written intelligent scripts, great actors with actual character development, and zero blue haired land whale interference.
One of the biggest problems I've noticed (and it might just be a Hollywood casting one) is that modern actors have no character. We just don't see anything like Eastwood, Stallone, etc. They all reflect the society wide faggotry that's been shoved down our throats for too long. We need to remember masculinity and true femininity, when those two dance together it is a celebration of the deepest mysteries of life.
Totally agree. Part of it is lazy writing I think, another part is as you say, the actors who rise up are those who spend all their time kneeling before the leftist agenda.
I'm confident there are good male/female actors, writers, and cinematographers out there, but they're embarrassed by the current hollywood mentality. A good indi movie company, located well outside of hollywood, could give them a place to work and bring back the solid professional entertainment we used to enjoy.
You think that's an accident? Hollywood is literally a propaganda arm of the deep state.
Nah, they've been pushing their subversion for decades allthough they were less free to do it in the past. Ever since Obamanation however all these institutions went into overdrive, robbing us of any authentic culture/intellectual experiences to partake in and now we're in the "if you don't agree with me I'll silence you" stage, proving that whatever they fought for was a trojan horse to get something entirely different.
I just learned how Jean Claude Van Damme was originally cast as the Predator.
Predator at that point in filming was supposed to be based on a creature that looked very different than the one we ultimately saw on theater screens. The Predator suit they had JCVD wear made it so he couldn't move. Considering he had been sold the part as an opportunity to showcase his martial arts skills to western audiences he balked at this development and demanded they change it. When he realized that wasn't going to happen he bailed on the project and the character ended up getting developed into the Predator we all know and love.
But the suit they had JCVD in looked NOTHING like the Predator in the movie we all know. The OG Predator was supposed to be some gangly lizard looking thing from the images I saw.
Crazy to think how close they came to ruining that classic.
I had no idea! I dug around and found it:
I can just picture how pissed JCVD was. Ha!
That's what I saw! Way to go u/AbsurdOpinion!
This is literally already happening. Great movies with terrible scores on any review media platform you can imagine. They will keep this shit up for as long as they can. If you think money matters to them, newsflash, it doesn't.
A great example of that divide was with Star Trek Picard. The entire radical left thought it was amazing but it was an abomination. Critics gave it top marks because, ya know, virtue signalling.
The most enjoyable thing to come out of that series was this guys 90 minute long (yea, that's right, ninety frakin minutes!) review that just tears the whole thing apart limb from limb. So damn awesome...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwF1iri1GjQ
I knew that would be Plinkett before I clicked.
I hate-watched the series with a friend of mine who is a huge Trek fan. He is a lefty, and really, really tried to defend it at first (first two episodes). By the time they murdered Icheb though he became apoplectic in hating the show. The whole series may have been his first forced redpill.
Speaking of long-form reviews, my favorite part of The Last Jedi--by a country mile--was definitely Mauler's 4+ hour review series. Too bad creating content like that just takes too long and he seemingly got sucked into the trap of just recording unscripted podcasts.
The Lighthouse. I’m not much for indie art house films but man was it good. And also watch What We Do In The Shadows (movie not the shitty tv show) it’s hilarious.
Not art house, a movement towards disenfranchising Hollywood. Thanks for the recommends.
China will only let Hollywood go so far.
Road House was the gold standard and its been downhill from there.
I'll get all the sleep I need when I'm dead
Good! People need to stop paying for movies so these assholes stop raking in millions.
I agree, but Hollywood isn't even trying to make movies for us any more. Their main focus is China, and China is buying.
Its still for the youth. They are poisoning the minds of the youth especially females.
Fuckin' china, Man. China ass-hoe!
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/07/02/nolte-movies-are-about-to-suck-like-captain-marvel-for-a-very-long-time/
This is exactly what I have noticed for everything produced since 2016. It has been bad with a few exceptions. We will need to pretend all the marxist shit they are making now didn't happen and will move on when it reverts back to normal in X amount of years. I have already taken extensive steps to protect my family from exposure.
I can't remember the last good movie. The Dark Knight? No idea.
Joker was actually pretty good, if maybe not in the way they intended. Had a bit of a Fight Club vibe to it.
Wasn't it a bit strained that the joker character was beaten by white Wall Street guys? How plausible is that?
The end of Joker was basically Antifa. Its a warning to our society.
not at all, but by the end of the movie I wondered what was "real" (if anything) and what was just his perception. I don't think they really were, although he may have perceived it.
Then again, the filmmakers and actors may have thought "oh yeah, these evil wall street bastards are the most realistic part of the whole movie."
To me, one of the things that made it good, perhaps great, was that the people who made it lost control of it, and it really means whatever the person who saw it sees in it.
Only movie I'm faintly interested in seeing is Nolan's Tenet. Dunkirk was spectacular.
if you liked Dunkirkl, you'd love 1917.
1917 is overrated. It has good production value but the story is paper thin..
Dunkirk committed the bizarrely, out-of-time sin of being TOO pure with regard to practical effects. The real beach was a fucking mess of equipment. It wouldn't have been a cinematic sin to CGI the beach buildings to their accurate period appearances, or add in the actual detritus of the retreat and hasty entrenchment.
And when you refuse to use CGI tracers for your machine guns, it looks like special effects from 1954. You can't film practical-effect tracers: because then you'd be firing a fucking projectile at your crew. (Coppola used roman candles in Apocalypse Now, and it almost works but you can tell the trajectories are all wrong). So just CGI it! For fuck's sake. The movie felt so dry and academic as a result. And don't even get me started about the Heinkel scale remote-controlled drone plane.
1917 had a paper-thin story, but they dressed those sets with real historical care and it all looked the part in a way that the beach in Dunkirk did not.
You have a point, I think it's mostly highly acclaimed for its incredible cinematography. There were definitely some holes, but I love war movies and decent ones don't come along very often at all so I just take what I can get!
There is the occasional gem, but nowadays you have to wade through a mile of shit to find it.
A couple of nights ago I watched the live action version of Aladdin, just to check it out. The animated version might be my favorite Disney cartoon movie.
It was a dumpster fire. You could see all of the politically correct choices through out the entire film. The special effects didn’t really dazzle me either.
It makes me miss the films from the 80’s and 90’s. Yes, many were cheesey, or they had practical effects vs digital, BUT THEY WERE FUN. And CREATIVE. And IMAGINATIVE.
You could have a female hero without someone saying, “OH YEAH, LADIES DO IT BETTER!” And every hero of a film wasn’t a 15 year old girl. Characters worked together, and needed each other, which brought a balance in a film.
There were original stories, whether it was a drama, comedy, romance, sci-fi, horror, or adventure. They were all interesting to watch because they were written well and didn’t hammer you on your head with their WOKE message.
Now these films are pooped out, they cater to China because money. They have a checklist of politically correct people and lines.
Actual lines from the Spider-Man trailer: “You look pretty.” “Is that how you value me?”
Me: “No I don’t. But if you’re going to act like a weirdo I’ll move on and you can go to your women’s studies class.”
Need for Speed movie. "Do you think you can condecend me just because im woman?"
There has been very little good cinema and television the past decade. The 90's and early 2000's were the peak in my opinion, and it's all been downhill from there.
Not really related, but we need to make "suck like Kamala" a thing
i thought she preferred to take it up the ass
depends on how many are in the queue
Is Hollywood still shut down or are they back to filming with everybody wearing masks?
I refuse to give money to those people. so I just pirated whatever looked good. Eventually just kinda stopped and walked away, dont miss it a bit.
havent paid to see a movie in over 10+ years . I think the last movie i went to the theaters to watch was 'the dark knight'...Movies just suck so much the past decade, its hard to even get interested in watching them. 1980s probably had the best decade for movies
Hollywood has been dead to me for years now. They aren't making entertainment, they are producing propaganda, and they won't be doing it with my money or support.
Watched demolition man a few nights ago. One of my fav boyhood movies. I couldn't believe how much I felt like Stallone and related to Leary.
If only they knew how close to reality they were going to be with the pudgy soy men. Just put a Star Wars logo on those mumus and they'd have been dead-on.
About to? All I watch are classic films and tv shows anymore.
"The ranch" is pretty fucking good btw. Of course one of its main cast got "me too'd" and it stopped after season 4 but I watched it whole and loved it and my wife is now watching it, honestly more people should. It has Ashton Kutcher and is just really good for the cause and has made our family like and appreciate country music. Good bless.
My siblings were telling me to watch that show. I'll have to check it out.
Been catching up on my Columbo lately. They are showing it on MeTV and I missed out on it back when it aired.
I've seen this coming for a while. When DVD became popular (Yes, I'm old. Eat me.) I could see that there was going to be less and less reason for people to go to the theater to see a movie. So people would only step out for "tentpole" movies that gain something by being viewed on a giant screen.
Fast forward now to netflix and hbo max and all the bazillion streaming services that offer their own original content, and now the only movies that get bankrolled are ones that are calculated to hit the widest market possible to get butts in the seats.
I watched that "together apart" reunion thing about Ferris Beuller's Day Off and I realized that in 2020, a movie like that would never get made by a big studio. It would have to be some indy studio and it would only have limited release.
So yeah, even aside from the social justice garbage, the only movies that are getting made by large studios now are going to be engineered commercial trash for mass market appeal. There will be exceptions, but it's going to get rough.
Is there anybody on the planet who actually likes the 2016 Ghostbusters on merit alone?
I thought not.
i honestly dont know a single person that has seen it at all for any reason.
Movies will be sanitized, and the only "good" high rated movies will be controversial ones that have a massive social justice message.
If you're black, and going to make a movie about how "hard" it is being black, you just won the movie industry.
No more well written, compelling characters, it's all girl power, and nonsensical diversity. Like that medieval or fantasy movie? well too bad, here's some black people in a clearly European setting which makes no fucking sense.
Feminism, forced diversity and taking already made movies and switching out the actors for different genders and skin colors. Original writing in Hollywood is dead for the time being.
movies have always sucked. the difference now is just that its the big budget blockbusters that are terrible instead of the low budget projects
all marvel movies are shit
Only three genres allowed now:
Anybody see a good sci-fi or fantasy or western in the past 10 years? Yeah, neither have I.
Good sci-fi:
Western
Fantasy
For sci-fi, Season One of Westworld was fantastic.
Season Two was okay. Didn't even bother with Three. But that first one was mind-blowing.
Season Two was a far cry from OK.
And Season One committed a cardinal screenwriting sin by hinging audience reception to events on a deliberate misrepresentation of the order of said events. It's a hack narrative ploy. Doesn't mean the show wasn't highly thought-provoking and well done, I just hate how they cheated in attaching gravitas to some of their biggest mysteries by insinuating that events decades apart were contemporary.
True, I've seen Inception and Life and enjoyed both, as well as Game of Thrones. But they're few and far between... they don't even make much in those genres any more. Life came out in what, 2014?
arrival is legitimately the best sci fi movie I've seen in a very long time.
It's also the only movie I've ever seen that was actually BETTER on a second watch, because your entire perspective changes at the end. It's insane.
Dude, I've been living in the 70's and 80's my whole life. I'm a millennial. I understand well that the best and most profound creative benchmarks were hit back then but it plateued and has been receeding ever since.
Conservatives lost the culture war by being complacent and lazy. The left controls everything. The schools, movies, TV, sports and most of the government. If we don't start changing things immediately there really is no hope.
Honestly I havent watched a movie in a theatre in atleast a year when they re released nightmare on elm street. Before that was probably 5 years.
I was a big movie person and nothing interesting has been coming out.
I'm going to see Top Gun 2 and then dip out from movies forever. They even ruined 007. Unforgivable.
Conversely, people are gonna save a fuckton of money by not going to the movies or buying their overpriced snacks. So as a jolly green giant said, "I see this as an absolute win!"
In the past 10 years I can maybe fill up one hand counting good, rewatchable movies without virtue signaling or an agenda. Needless to say, I’ve built myself a home theater better than any movie theater, and spent a small fortune getting physical copies of all the good films from the golden era of Hollywood up until somewhere around the 90s. It died exponentially after that
I've still got hope for Bill & Ted Face the Music, set to come out in mid-to late August (the date keeps changing and it may or may not be released in theaters.)
Advance word is that it's very optimistic and not at all SJW. The first two B&T films were a lot of fun and this one might be, too.
No worries. I have like what, 115 years of back catalog to work through? There's quite a bit of it in the public domain, so I don't have to give these bloodsuckers a dime. I'll just leave this here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_in_the_public_domain_in_the_United_States
I love watching Hollywood suffer
Say when...
Platoon for when the world is sucking for me and Tropic Thunder for when it is going well. Used to be Top Gun, but after a while, enough is enough.
Modern movies remind me of the terrible late 1960's and early 70's films that were all political and pushing hippie culture. Mod this and Mod that and aren't our parents so square! Garbage cinema.
Stop watching them.
Until companies start going broke, they will continue to produce films no-one likes.
Well, Rock and Roll died, so why would Fate be kind enough to spare movies.
I’m a young guy relatively speaking. You want a good movie? Go watch Casablanca. Watch Tombstone. Watch The Matrix. Watch The Godfather. You can find hundreds of amazing movies in the $5 bargain bin and avoid spending $40 to go see a shitty woke movie. For real though watch Casablanca if you haven’t.
they've been sucked
The day will come when underground comedy clubs will be a meaningful thing again: secret gatherings of funny, free speech that the rest of society won't tolerate.
I remember being excited for the first wave of comic book movies. Then they ruined it, really fast. I no longer even care what the cinemas are showing.
My wife wanted to watch a movie I downloaded but complained it only got 22% on rotten tomatoes. I said "this is from 'professional reviewers' it probably means it's good." We watched it. Had a great time. The postcard killings. I assume the bad rating are for 'predominantly white people' although they won't say that. Telling. Also quite insane, but sadly telling of the times.