Every time I try redpilling some of my friends I always get countered with "what will this change even if its true", "yea youre probably right but "x source" is far right and they clearly have an agenda", "dont even mention Trump and say hes good", etc...
I've tried starting with apetizers such as funny memes and then slowly diggin deeper but once you reach that certain threshold the cognitive dissonance kicks in order to stop them from going against the grain and saving face...
Canadian here btw, I wouldnt even start talking bout Justine...
Also as for what it would change?? I dont know man maybe the future world your newborn kid will live in??????
I can only imagine the minds of the future youth of Western civilization if Biden wins...
I tend to run into, "there's extremes on both side" even after I point out that one side destroys and the other builds.
Other favorites , "it's not communist to not be racist", or "you want people to be homeless/have no healthcare". They base their emotional appeal on the belief that if you disagree with the Government having all that power and control you automatically don't care if people suffer, even if they know or can see the sacrifices you make to help others.
When people become this willfully obtuse, I put some distance in, since they're clearly feel threatened by something other than what the pretend to care about.
"There's extremes on both sides" is a classic cop out. I know a guy who acts tough and hides behind that while saying he's Libertarian. He's a tough mofo in most cases, but I think he's a genuine pussy in that one, and I say that as someone who's voted Libertarian. Some people must be so conditioned to the way things were that they can't see that GEOTUS very clearly is something different. The visceral responses he evokes from the left on a daily basis is a clear indicator.
Some people must be so conditioned to the way things were that they can't see that GEOTUS very clearly is something different.
Even Republicans. At a BBQ talking to conservative, Republican Trump supporter, who starts sputtering about how "Trump speaks so STUPIDLY" and that Obama was a "great orator." Ever think you're not used to hearing a politician speak like a real person? I guess you prefer listening to the Manchurian Candidate read some shit Ben Rhodes wrote off a teleprompter. Made me want to throw my drink in his face.
In my case, my friend is mixed-race and he feels that he'll betray one "side" if he has to pick one, meantime it is us who are fighting for a better world for him and the other "side" who's fighting to take any such hope from him. It's cowardice like you say, sometimes you have to become the villain in the eyes of the tricked and only long after when the smoke cleared, they'll understand what you were fighting for.
it's completely disheartening though, like bro Im not saying it because its fun to talk about...
It's always left vs right but why can't it just be truth vs bamboozles.
That Pepe face sums it up.
I don't even want to start this discussion with my parents but in the meantime I will continue to enjoy the fire memes by pedes, your president and the eternal meme that is our Kid Chameleon of a prime minister.
My friends aren't dumb either but they play the Forest Gump card everytime Trump is mentioned or the centrist I dont want to offend any imaginary ghosts card.
I agree, it's not really left vs right, but truth vs lies. But a web of lies are often rooted in half truths which is why it's so tricky to unravel and sometimes a person is simply not ready for the truth.
Sounds like you might be getting into a defensive crouch. I suggest flipping the script on them and going on the offensive. Show them that their morality is subjective by backing them into corners.
What I stated above is post flipping the script and having backed them into a corner, that's when I back off and let them mull things over. I believe it's best that a person come to the truth by their own convictions and not because I gave them no choice. Free will is powerful.
Someone I was discussing social security with refused to acknowledge it's unsustainable because, according to him, if government keeps injecting funding, that's "sustainable." I tried to explain hoping that government bails out a program isn't a good personal finance strategy, even if it works out, and he wouldn't even agree with that. He got pretty close to calling me a conspiracy theorist because I'm not including social security in my retirement plans.
It really made me question why I bother discussing anything even remotely "political" with friends, and have since mostly stopped.
ya sometimes I envy you "loud" Americans for having guns, it seems to be something very therapeutic to unload onto a burlap sack or whatever kinda like masturbation but with less regret and dirty socks.
I just hope that the border opens up so I can go down south to get a taste of them ranges and visit a Trump rally not so much for Trump (maybe a lil bit for Trump) but more so for the intensely American patriotism and the fact that they are entertaining as hell.
Also we got the MUHCERB people here sucking on every last ounce of the governments tit. Milking hard working taxpayers' money until the next election when more promises of injecting more magic funds in order to keep giving freebies to everyone.
It's tough out there when everyone treats you like Mugatu as soon as you mention something controversial/non-mainstream
I can’t speak for others, but currently I shoot for sport because it’s fun, rather than as some sort of emotional catharsis. Occasionally I hunt for food and sport although less in the last few years.
Shooting has been included in every Olympics since the dawn of the modern Olympics in 1896. It involves precision, good reflexes, maintaining your firearms in good order, and a significant mental component.
I've tried to the same thing where I slowly wean them and get them to agree to a bunch of right wing positions. The second anyone mentions Trump they immediately reverse everything.
You have to get them to realize they're being lied to. Doesn't really matter about what. They need to know that the sources they trust and believe are legitimate will and do boldface lie to them. That seems to be how people get redpilled. When they know for a fact the media is lying. Then they start to question what else they're being lied to about and will be more receptive of new information. Until that happens the cognitive dissonance is to strong. You can literally walk them in a circle logically to where they're agreeing with you and the moment they realize it their brain will short circuit and they'll purge everything an repeat their original point.
Every time I try redpilling some of my friends I always get countered with "what will this change even if its true", "yea youre probably right but "x source" is far right and they clearly have an agenda", "dont even mention Trump and say hes good", etc...
I've tried starting with apetizers such as funny memes and then slowly diggin deeper but once you reach that certain threshold the cognitive dissonance kicks in order to stop them from going against the grain and saving face...
Canadian here btw, I wouldnt even start talking bout Justine...
Also as for what it would change?? I dont know man maybe the future world your newborn kid will live in??????
I can only imagine the minds of the future youth of Western civilization if Biden wins...
I tend to run into, "there's extremes on both side" even after I point out that one side destroys and the other builds.
Other favorites , "it's not communist to not be racist", or "you want people to be homeless/have no healthcare". They base their emotional appeal on the belief that if you disagree with the Government having all that power and control you automatically don't care if people suffer, even if they know or can see the sacrifices you make to help others.
When people become this willfully obtuse, I put some distance in, since they're clearly feel threatened by something other than what the pretend to care about.
"There's extremes on both sides" is a classic cop out. I know a guy who acts tough and hides behind that while saying he's Libertarian. He's a tough mofo in most cases, but I think he's a genuine pussy in that one, and I say that as someone who's voted Libertarian. Some people must be so conditioned to the way things were that they can't see that GEOTUS very clearly is something different. The visceral responses he evokes from the left on a daily basis is a clear indicator.
Even Republicans. At a BBQ talking to conservative, Republican Trump supporter, who starts sputtering about how "Trump speaks so STUPIDLY" and that Obama was a "great orator." Ever think you're not used to hearing a politician speak like a real person? I guess you prefer listening to the Manchurian Candidate read some shit Ben Rhodes wrote off a teleprompter. Made me want to throw my drink in his face.
Obama was great at lying to your face then serving his overlords behind the scenes.
In my case, my friend is mixed-race and he feels that he'll betray one "side" if he has to pick one, meantime it is us who are fighting for a better world for him and the other "side" who's fighting to take any such hope from him. It's cowardice like you say, sometimes you have to become the villain in the eyes of the tricked and only long after when the smoke cleared, they'll understand what you were fighting for.
it's completely disheartening though, like bro Im not saying it because its fun to talk about...
It's always left vs right but why can't it just be truth vs bamboozles.
That Pepe face sums it up.
I don't even want to start this discussion with my parents but in the meantime I will continue to enjoy the fire memes by pedes, your president and the eternal meme that is our Kid Chameleon of a prime minister.
My friends aren't dumb either but they play the Forest Gump card everytime Trump is mentioned or the centrist I dont want to offend any imaginary ghosts card.
I agree, it's not really left vs right, but truth vs lies. But a web of lies are often rooted in half truths which is why it's so tricky to unravel and sometimes a person is simply not ready for the truth.
"Kid Chameleon" - Kek
Sounds like you might be getting into a defensive crouch. I suggest flipping the script on them and going on the offensive. Show them that their morality is subjective by backing them into corners.
What I stated above is post flipping the script and having backed them into a corner, that's when I back off and let them mull things over. I believe it's best that a person come to the truth by their own convictions and not because I gave them no choice. Free will is powerful.
I applaud anyone who's still willing to try.
Someone I was discussing social security with refused to acknowledge it's unsustainable because, according to him, if government keeps injecting funding, that's "sustainable." I tried to explain hoping that government bails out a program isn't a good personal finance strategy, even if it works out, and he wouldn't even agree with that. He got pretty close to calling me a conspiracy theorist because I'm not including social security in my retirement plans.
It really made me question why I bother discussing anything even remotely "political" with friends, and have since mostly stopped.
ya sometimes I envy you "loud" Americans for having guns, it seems to be something very therapeutic to unload onto a burlap sack or whatever kinda like masturbation but with less regret and dirty socks.
I just hope that the border opens up so I can go down south to get a taste of them ranges and visit a Trump rally not so much for Trump (maybe a lil bit for Trump) but more so for the intensely American patriotism and the fact that they are entertaining as hell.
Also we got the MUHCERB people here sucking on every last ounce of the governments tit. Milking hard working taxpayers' money until the next election when more promises of injecting more magic funds in order to keep giving freebies to everyone.
It's tough out there when everyone treats you like Mugatu as soon as you mention something controversial/non-mainstream
I can’t speak for others, but currently I shoot for sport because it’s fun, rather than as some sort of emotional catharsis. Occasionally I hunt for food and sport although less in the last few years.
Shooting has been included in every Olympics since the dawn of the modern Olympics in 1896. It involves precision, good reflexes, maintaining your firearms in good order, and a significant mental component.
I've tried to the same thing where I slowly wean them and get them to agree to a bunch of right wing positions. The second anyone mentions Trump they immediately reverse everything.
You have to get them to realize they're being lied to. Doesn't really matter about what. They need to know that the sources they trust and believe are legitimate will and do boldface lie to them. That seems to be how people get redpilled. When they know for a fact the media is lying. Then they start to question what else they're being lied to about and will be more receptive of new information. Until that happens the cognitive dissonance is to strong. You can literally walk them in a circle logically to where they're agreeing with you and the moment they realize it their brain will short circuit and they'll purge everything an repeat their original point.