I tend to run into, "there's extremes on both side" even after I point out that one side destroys and the other builds.
Other favorites , "it's not communist to not be racist", or "you want people to be homeless/have no healthcare". They base their emotional appeal on the belief that if you disagree with the Government having all that power and control you automatically don't care if people suffer, even if they know or can see the sacrifices you make to help others.
When people become this willfully obtuse, I put some distance in, since they're clearly feel threatened by something other than what the pretend to care about.
"There's extremes on both sides" is a classic cop out. I know a guy who acts tough and hides behind that while saying he's Libertarian. He's a tough mofo in most cases, but I think he's a genuine pussy in that one, and I say that as someone who's voted Libertarian. Some people must be so conditioned to the way things were that they can't see that GEOTUS very clearly is something different. The visceral responses he evokes from the left on a daily basis is a clear indicator.
Some people must be so conditioned to the way things were that they can't see that GEOTUS very clearly is something different.
Even Republicans. At a BBQ talking to conservative, Republican Trump supporter, who starts sputtering about how "Trump speaks so STUPIDLY" and that Obama was a "great orator." Ever think you're not used to hearing a politician speak like a real person? I guess you prefer listening to the Manchurian Candidate read some shit Ben Rhodes wrote off a teleprompter. Made me want to throw my drink in his face.
In my case, my friend is mixed-race and he feels that he'll betray one "side" if he has to pick one, meantime it is us who are fighting for a better world for him and the other "side" who's fighting to take any such hope from him. It's cowardice like you say, sometimes you have to become the villain in the eyes of the tricked and only long after when the smoke cleared, they'll understand what you were fighting for.
it's completely disheartening though, like bro Im not saying it because its fun to talk about...
It's always left vs right but why can't it just be truth vs bamboozles.
That Pepe face sums it up.
I don't even want to start this discussion with my parents but in the meantime I will continue to enjoy the fire memes by pedes, your president and the eternal meme that is our Kid Chameleon of a prime minister.
My friends aren't dumb either but they play the Forest Gump card everytime Trump is mentioned or the centrist I dont want to offend any imaginary ghosts card.
I agree, it's not really left vs right, but truth vs lies. But a web of lies are often rooted in half truths which is why it's so tricky to unravel and sometimes a person is simply not ready for the truth.
Sounds like you might be getting into a defensive crouch. I suggest flipping the script on them and going on the offensive. Show them that their morality is subjective by backing them into corners.
What I stated above is post flipping the script and having backed them into a corner, that's when I back off and let them mull things over. I believe it's best that a person come to the truth by their own convictions and not because I gave them no choice. Free will is powerful.
I tend to run into, "there's extremes on both side" even after I point out that one side destroys and the other builds.
Other favorites , "it's not communist to not be racist", or "you want people to be homeless/have no healthcare". They base their emotional appeal on the belief that if you disagree with the Government having all that power and control you automatically don't care if people suffer, even if they know or can see the sacrifices you make to help others.
When people become this willfully obtuse, I put some distance in, since they're clearly feel threatened by something other than what the pretend to care about.
"There's extremes on both sides" is a classic cop out. I know a guy who acts tough and hides behind that while saying he's Libertarian. He's a tough mofo in most cases, but I think he's a genuine pussy in that one, and I say that as someone who's voted Libertarian. Some people must be so conditioned to the way things were that they can't see that GEOTUS very clearly is something different. The visceral responses he evokes from the left on a daily basis is a clear indicator.
Even Republicans. At a BBQ talking to conservative, Republican Trump supporter, who starts sputtering about how "Trump speaks so STUPIDLY" and that Obama was a "great orator." Ever think you're not used to hearing a politician speak like a real person? I guess you prefer listening to the Manchurian Candidate read some shit Ben Rhodes wrote off a teleprompter. Made me want to throw my drink in his face.
Obama was great at lying to your face then serving his overlords behind the scenes.
In my case, my friend is mixed-race and he feels that he'll betray one "side" if he has to pick one, meantime it is us who are fighting for a better world for him and the other "side" who's fighting to take any such hope from him. It's cowardice like you say, sometimes you have to become the villain in the eyes of the tricked and only long after when the smoke cleared, they'll understand what you were fighting for.
it's completely disheartening though, like bro Im not saying it because its fun to talk about...
It's always left vs right but why can't it just be truth vs bamboozles.
That Pepe face sums it up.
I don't even want to start this discussion with my parents but in the meantime I will continue to enjoy the fire memes by pedes, your president and the eternal meme that is our Kid Chameleon of a prime minister.
My friends aren't dumb either but they play the Forest Gump card everytime Trump is mentioned or the centrist I dont want to offend any imaginary ghosts card.
I agree, it's not really left vs right, but truth vs lies. But a web of lies are often rooted in half truths which is why it's so tricky to unravel and sometimes a person is simply not ready for the truth.
"Kid Chameleon" - Kek
Sounds like you might be getting into a defensive crouch. I suggest flipping the script on them and going on the offensive. Show them that their morality is subjective by backing them into corners.
What I stated above is post flipping the script and having backed them into a corner, that's when I back off and let them mull things over. I believe it's best that a person come to the truth by their own convictions and not because I gave them no choice. Free will is powerful.