It's my understanding that people who have tested positive have to get tested multiple times until they're confirmed negative. My guess is they count every single one of those as a new case. This is a fucking scam.
I live in Texas and work for a federal agency and both the agency and Governor Abbott have been absolute jokes. Living in Texas right now sucks more than I can say but I can only imagine a hard core blue state like Oregon would be far worse.
Headache and Sore shoulders (Myaglia)? What's Up COVID! Doesn't matter if you just got done at the gym and your heart rate is up... You've got COVID-19
I live in upstate NY, in a very red, and primarily conservative area- yeah go figure as NY is liberal shithole. Anyway. 2 weeks ago I got bit by something, developed a rash and fever, but zero respiratory symptoms. I don't necessarily have an issue getting tested for COVID ( although I think the test is flawed) but I called my doctors practice, and the first words out of their mouth were coronavirus, coronavirus, coronavirus, it was like a sick cult mantra. I said hey wait a minute, aren't you hearing what I'm saying. Nope all they cared about was coronavirus. Anyway I did get a sane doctor,all is well, got treated properly and all is good.
These states think that all other illnesses have disappeared, that the health fairy has made all other diseases moot and everything is coronavirus.
Our local base [MACDILL] isn't letting people back on base cause of this new "reporting" method.
I tried to tell a couple of people that work there that the number spike is BS cause they found a new way to count cases but they said that there is nothing they can do.
They are all relying on the State of Florida to give them the "actual" numbers
Not only is Texas counting "probable cases," the definition for probable cases is recursive and so you can just make them up when somebody had "contact" with an existing probable case.
Arizona testing facilities. Positive test and positive antibody test taken at the same time count as 2 positives. Daily death rates are more telling but lingering stat. Hospitalizations:assets available are important stats.
Blue counties in red states seem to be hot spots now
I'm in a county in Tn that just today required everyone thats in public to wear a mask or facial covering if caught not wearing one it's a $50 fine and or up to 30 days in jail .
First post long time lurker not sure how to post a link but it's gone to clown world in chat town
It would be great if we could create a collection of each states definition of cases, to coincide with the CDCs covid positive criteria (no test required just symptoms ((cold symptoms))). This way pedes can redpill family and friends in different states without personally digging through each states info.
It can cause a myriad of symptoms; however, this all depends on the hospital system.
Personally at mine a few things are required to empirically claim COVID without a test (meaning you have enough symptoms to say its COVID).
These things include: Fever, respiratory compromise, w/ severely elevated LFTs and/or elevated renal labs. There are incredibly few other things that will cause this symptom profile, so when we see a febrile patient with low oxygen sat, and liver/renal failure we understandably are freaking the fuck out and isolate them ASAP.
Could also be: Fever, or other flu-like symptoms + known contact with a proven COVID case.
If all we see are symptoms of a cold, we're going to call it a cold and treat accordingly.
Covid-19 is not a flu virus. it's a cold virus.
I never said it was a flu virus, I was giving an example of a more well known virus to explain why we will code for COVID even without a positive test.
This is done all the time in medicine.
I appreciate the links explaining these things, but I am training in this field.
Sometimes in our line of work it is not beneficial financially to the patient if a test isn't going to change your course of treatment for them.
IE: If it looks, smells, sounds like a flu, treat it like a flu. Don't bother with a test.
IE meaning "for example". Though I guess being very technical from a latin standpoint IE is used to clarified, EG is used for an example, but I've seen it used interchangeably so much I figured doesn't matter.
I'm finding it really hard that you straight up did not realize I was giving an example.
Thats fine, but as he said, this is done all the time in medicine. So while cases are inflated, it may be more due to flaws in hospital-specific systems than deviousness. I agree with you that given the pandemic, these should be more refined and not as "loose". However I think your example of a slight fever or congestion = covid case is a gross exaggeration of what's going on, though I'd like the medical trainee and/or others working in hospitals to weigh in on that. My gf is a nurse, I can see what her hospital is doing if you really want.
The real issue here is, as usual, the media. Note how Trump himself is not attacking the case methodology, but the out of context, hysterical "reporting".
If the media reported the full context surrounding the increase in cases, and explained as the person with medical training did why the medical field does this, then there would be less hysteria.
It's how medicine works, a perfectly fine example to make a point with.
This is part of how we avoid drumming you (our patients) with unnecessary testing costs. Unfortunately a number of physicians aren't comfortable without confirming everything, but sometimes you can get a negative test when everything else is telling you "Hey this is (insert diagnoses)" so you have to repeat an expensive test just to be sure.
Far be it for me to suggest that we have gotten quite good at diagnoses in modern medicine.
What this is saying is that if I go into a doctor with a slight fever or congestion, I am going to be considered a positive Covid-19 case.
Then you completely misread what I said. Any doctor who did that in the hospital systems I'm privy to would immediately be removed from that patient case and reviewed for improper treatment.
We're playing games with peoples livelihoods over a cold virus and your'e all like, "But yeah, if it looks like a flu, treat it like a flu" This is quite literally not a scenario where that kind of loose labeling should be applied.
Again if you understood what I had said before instead of assuming the worst in me then you'd see that is not what I'm doing.
By the by, if you truly had COVID severe enough to land in the ER you'd better hope we make that presumptuous call as HCQ effectiveness goes down the longer you wait.
Hell they’re probably not even making sure they’re not counting people twice
They have been intentionally counting people twice since tests became widely available.
It's my understanding that people who have tested positive have to get tested multiple times until they're confirmed negative. My guess is they count every single one of those as a new case. This is a fucking scam.
True in Texas
This article even says they are counting probable cases. How are people not talking about this more? The comments on the article are pretty good. https://ktvz.com/news/oregon-northwest/2020/07/05/oregon-reports-two-more-covid-19-deaths-301-new-cases-10-in-central-oregon/
I'm going to tell the bank I'm "probably" a billionaire, and that I need several million dollars in cash immediately.
Soon the US will have over a billion reported cases and dozens of confirmed deaths. END OF DRLORMPH!
Once the elections are over so will be covid-19.
It won't be over until another "emergency" comes up for population control.
I live in Texas and work for a federal agency and both the agency and Governor Abbott have been absolute jokes. Living in Texas right now sucks more than I can say but I can only imagine a hard core blue state like Oregon would be far worse.
Coughing? Congrats, you're WhuFlu Positive!
Headache and Sore shoulders (Myaglia)? What's Up COVID! Doesn't matter if you just got done at the gym and your heart rate is up... You've got COVID-19
A person that had COVID-19 had to get follow up tests.
Each test was counted as 1 unique coronavirus case.
ie, 5 cases from 1 person.
I live in upstate NY, in a very red, and primarily conservative area- yeah go figure as NY is liberal shithole. Anyway. 2 weeks ago I got bit by something, developed a rash and fever, but zero respiratory symptoms. I don't necessarily have an issue getting tested for COVID ( although I think the test is flawed) but I called my doctors practice, and the first words out of their mouth were coronavirus, coronavirus, coronavirus, it was like a sick cult mantra. I said hey wait a minute, aren't you hearing what I'm saying. Nope all they cared about was coronavirus. Anyway I did get a sane doctor,all is well, got treated properly and all is good.
These states think that all other illnesses have disappeared, that the health fairy has made all other diseases moot and everything is coronavirus.
Even those are inflated. If someone dies with Covid, they are counted.
That would include people like George Floyd.
Our local base [MACDILL] isn't letting people back on base cause of this new "reporting" method.
I tried to tell a couple of people that work there that the number spike is BS cause they found a new way to count cases but they said that there is nothing they can do.
They are all relying on the State of Florida to give them the "actual" numbers
This part is moot because they aren't actually bothering finding any of that out
Not only is Texas counting "probable cases," the definition for probable cases is recursive and so you can just make them up when somebody had "contact" with an existing probable case.
It's fucked.
My state isn't currently undergoing an "outbreak" but, as it is a swing state, I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
My state's DHS website defines what a probable case is but doesn't specify if probable cases are reported anywhere.
Is Trump having a rally there? Then the outbreak is being orchestrated right now.
https://eagenda.collincountytx.gov/docs/2020/CC/20200518_2481/48410_Explanation.pdf
here in texas as well, numbers pulled out of assholes
Thank you for this.
I sent this to my TDS-induced father and he told me I was full of sh**!🤷♀️
thank you!!
OP I live in Florida and I've been trying in vain to find the link to this screenshot so I can use it in a few online arguments.
Can you please post it when you get a chance?
https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/county-health-departments/ (bottom of page)
While Google is evil, it can be a great tool since we have the actual text (yields exactly one result). Google's "site:" feature...very useful: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22reporting+covid-19+puis+and+cases+in+merlin%22+site%3Afloridahealthcovid19.gov
Arizona testing facilities. Positive test and positive antibody test taken at the same time count as 2 positives. Daily death rates are more telling but lingering stat. Hospitalizations:assets available are important stats.
Blue counties in red states seem to be hot spots now
Blue counties in swing states are trying to kill the rallies
I'm in a county in Tn that just today required everyone thats in public to wear a mask or facial covering if caught not wearing one it's a $50 fine and or up to 30 days in jail . First post long time lurker not sure how to post a link but it's gone to clown world in chat town
As a fellow Floridian, what's the full URL of your screenshot?
https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/county-health-departments/
It would be great if we could create a collection of each states definition of cases, to coincide with the CDCs covid positive criteria (no test required just symptoms ((cold symptoms))). This way pedes can redpill family and friends in different states without personally digging through each states info.
I coudnt find shit on az dept of health websitr
I wouldn't jump so fast to think this is always used to pump up numbers.
Sometimes in our line of work it is not beneficial financially to the patient if a test isn't going to change your course of treatment for them.
IE: If it looks, smells, sounds like a flu, treat it like a flu. Don't bother with a test.
Yep, common cold. RUSH WAS RIGHT EARLY ON!!!!
It can cause a myriad of symptoms; however, this all depends on the hospital system.
Personally at mine a few things are required to empirically claim COVID without a test (meaning you have enough symptoms to say its COVID).
These things include: Fever, respiratory compromise, w/ severely elevated LFTs and/or elevated renal labs. There are incredibly few other things that will cause this symptom profile, so when we see a febrile patient with low oxygen sat, and liver/renal failure we understandably are freaking the fuck out and isolate them ASAP.
Could also be: Fever, or other flu-like symptoms + known contact with a proven COVID case.
If all we see are symptoms of a cold, we're going to call it a cold and treat accordingly.
I never said it was a flu virus, I was giving an example of a more well known virus to explain why we will code for COVID even without a positive test.
This is done all the time in medicine.
I appreciate the links explaining these things, but I am training in this field.
Context matters, here's my full quote.
IE meaning "for example". Though I guess being very technical from a latin standpoint IE is used to clarified, EG is used for an example, but I've seen it used interchangeably so much I figured doesn't matter.
I'm finding it really hard that you straight up did not realize I was giving an example.
Thats fine, but as he said, this is done all the time in medicine. So while cases are inflated, it may be more due to flaws in hospital-specific systems than deviousness. I agree with you that given the pandemic, these should be more refined and not as "loose". However I think your example of a slight fever or congestion = covid case is a gross exaggeration of what's going on, though I'd like the medical trainee and/or others working in hospitals to weigh in on that. My gf is a nurse, I can see what her hospital is doing if you really want.
The real issue here is, as usual, the media. Note how Trump himself is not attacking the case methodology, but the out of context, hysterical "reporting".
If the media reported the full context surrounding the increase in cases, and explained as the person with medical training did why the medical field does this, then there would be less hysteria.
It's how medicine works, a perfectly fine example to make a point with.
This is part of how we avoid drumming you (our patients) with unnecessary testing costs. Unfortunately a number of physicians aren't comfortable without confirming everything, but sometimes you can get a negative test when everything else is telling you "Hey this is (insert diagnoses)" so you have to repeat an expensive test just to be sure.
Far be it for me to suggest that we have gotten quite good at diagnoses in modern medicine.
Then you completely misread what I said. Any doctor who did that in the hospital systems I'm privy to would immediately be removed from that patient case and reviewed for improper treatment.
Again if you understood what I had said before instead of assuming the worst in me then you'd see that is not what I'm doing.
By the by, if you truly had COVID severe enough to land in the ER you'd better hope we make that presumptuous call as HCQ effectiveness goes down the longer you wait.