Yup! Alienated NJ father here. Quick story: married 13 years when wife said she wanted a divorce. We had joint custody of the kids for five years. During the 2007-2008 economic crash my income dropped by 80%. I went to court for temporary relief, I was bringing home no paycheck. Ex wife got pissed off started filing restraining orders against me, whenever I would show up at my kids soccer and lacrosse games. Was thrown into prison A few times because I was behind on child support and alimony. She told me she didn’t want me to see the kids and the court willingly made it impossible for me to see my kids if I did not want to go to jail. It’s been eight years since I have had meaningful contact with son and daughter. I die a little each day I don’t hear from them. The family courts in NJ are controlled by the democrats and if your ex wants you out of your kids lives she can do it. The family courts are the 10th circle of hell and are destroying fathers relationships with their children.
Thanks fellow pede! It’s sucks big time but I try to keep going. I just want my fellow jersey pedes to know the family courts are a racket controlled by the lawyers. A great group of fathers who have been through the system, is Fathers and Childrens Equality(FACE). When I ran out of money and went Pro Bono, FACE helped me navigate the system..
Negativity? What was negative about what I said? I'm trying to elevate the discourse beyond retard shit like. "this" which is a childish, reddit holdover for karma whoring. What's the point of commenting "this"? To show approval for a comment? Just fucking upvote it! Or, if you really like it, make an actual reply stating how the comment resonated with you. Sheesh. You faggots who just want to keep being reddit fags can go back to reddit. Want to build something better? BE BETTER!
Remember Dan Quayle and the Murphy Brown controversy about being a single mom? Turns out Dan Quayle was right. This BS has been spouted for decades and look what they’ve done.
It's all lip service while they fuck mistresses and ladyboys anyway. It's a swamp; RINOs are the least endangered species that exists and they must all be removed from the government.
What do you mean? Tell the faithless, hedonistic BOOMERS they aren't allowed to divorce and abort anymore? That would have gone over well... half of GenX wasn't even able to vote yet.
In my defense back then I was young and (even more) stupid, and notably I was not in a leadership position of the party pounding the drumbeat of "family values". Presumably those doing so were aware the alternative was the nation imploding in a couple generations...and did nothing about it as far as I can tell.
What made the "family values" stuff so unpalatable to me at the time was seeing a man my parents age lecturing us about it and was dealing with years of fallout from their divorce. It took a long time before I actually understood what Republicans were trying to say.
Agree. I got bullied by the school bully on my 3rd day of 7th grade at a new school at lunchtime in front of everyone. He picked on me, thought he was tough, I punched him as hard as I could and knocked his front tooth loose. Blood everywhere. Nobody ever fucked with me again at that school and the undisputed hottest 8th grade girl asked me to be her boyfriend 2 days later....we went steady for a solid 2 weeks before breaking up. Ahhh middle school. Good times.
Reminds me of that scene of American sniper where the dad tells his son about the wolf the sheep and the shephard dog. The majority of people are sheep but some are wolves that prey on the sheep and then there are the shephard dog that are put on earth by God to protect the sheep from the wolf. The wolf is violent by nature but the shephard dog when he witness a wrong he channels all of his fury and no wolf can stand to him.
Oh please. By that logic we shouldn’t let men into government either because they are more violent/aggressive and start more wars. See how ridiculous that generalization is?
Men are far LESS likely to engage in violence. They understand consequences in a way a woman simply cannot.
Take domestic abuse for example. The likelihood violence will occur in a relationship is directly related to the number of females in the relationship. And why not? They aren't treated like adults when exhibiting bad behavior. More like retarded children.
Lesbians have the highest. Then hetro couples. With gay men being on the bottom, no pun intended.
Men aren't given a free pass to lie and exploit social norms to attack those they want to hurt. Women are not only encouraged, but rewarded through the Victimization/Legal Complex.
Our society simply cannot function when the majority are willing to lie, cheat, and steal, their way into power. BLM and other groups like it are a female phenomenon.
Hahaha.... wait, you're serious? Men are far less likely to engage in violence? Do we live on the same planet?
According to FBI statistics in 2012: men committed 88.7% of homicides, 99.1% forcible rapes, 77.1% aggravated assaults, and 82% of arsons.
Now, I still think men can be great. Women can also be great. The genders are equal. But don't lie to yourself.
Although I do agree with you that, especially compared to instances of female-perpetrated domestic violence, men are treated more unfairly.
Random violence is not the same as violence towards someone you're supposed to care for. If you break it down by race and age things also start to look different on and on. However what he said is true.
Take Trump and Hillary for example, Hillary would have escalates the Syria conflict into a full blown proxy war against Russia to save face from a lie the media pushed since 2016 and that her servers were hacked by them.
Meanwhile Trump was baited over and over to increase military presence and action in the middle east but never did. Take off the financial motivation for politicians to do as they will and you get a better picture. Hell even external factors like does he have sons or daughters on and on play on how likely someone will be towards pushing wars.
Yes, both genders are capable of violence. But to claim that they commit them at equal rates is just plain wrong. And if it were true that men simply get results more, then the assaults at least would be equal, but they're not even close.
You're right, I need to learn how to read. I thought for sure your post said that women should have never been allowed to vote/be in government because they nurture and do not protect. Silly me! Oh wait... you said exactly that.
Look, we can all agree that there have been MANY great male leaders throughout history. I would never deny this. But there have also been some overly-aggressive men who nearly led their countries to ruin. This supports my point: men tend to be more violent, but they are not ALL violent. Just like not ALL women are too weak to lead and therefore should be banned from government.
Funny thing is that I agree with you. I especially think it's terrible how society makes men feel bad about the most ridiculous things ("mansplaining" comes to mind). It makes men believe that if they act like men, they'll be demonized. This is just sad to me and needs to be resisted.
I also agree that the voting age should be raised. Democrats wanted to LOWER it a little while ago in an obvious attempt to snag the uneducated teen vote.
Also, if I misunderstood your first point, I apologize. I've been team Trump for a long time but I'd hate to see us act like the racists and sexists the liberals always accuse us of being when I know they're wrong (like usual).
My libtard sister had like 6 abortions. Then when she finally met and settled down with her like-minded libtard husband at 35 discovered she'd scarred her uterus so much she couldn't get pregnant when she actually wanted to. Now she's in her 40's, childless, depressed and continues to spout libtard feminist ideology. She's got no clue. I don't discuss politics with them anymore.
I know the answer but I'll ask anyway. Did you give her a clue? Did you use a large black sharpie and clearly draw a correlation between her past actions and current circumstances? (I'm a bit of an optimist and I like to think that some folks are just slow on the uptake.)
Nah, those are the types of people who are willfully ignorant. Society pushes casual sex, especially for women, and pushes for ease of access to abortions but “conveniently” leaves out that abortions cause permanent damage to the uterus and can make it impossible for them to have children.
I've heard even a single abortion fucks your head up. I can't imagine six. You either mourn your decisions or do mental gymnastics to protect your mind from what you've done and fall further into the abyss. Sorry for your sister; it sounds like she chose the latter.
That's why they want massive floods of refugees and illegal immigrants coming to western countries. Leftists want to take everyone down with them.
It's probably the main reason they're so pissed at Trump. He's successfully halted pretty much all refugees and illegal immigrants the past 3 years. If it wasn't for him we'd already be France by this point.
Besides which, the leftists already staff the schools, universities, TV networks, radio stations, big tech companies, book publishers, video game publishers, etc.
That is how leftism spreads, not through genetics.
Not really implying that at all. Conservative values tend to naturally lead to less out of wedlock pregnancies to begin with. Your very premise is flawed.
It's also the fact that divorces are encouraged now. Laws like alimony where the woman can make a steady income (for years) from the man even after receiving 50% of all assets are a mistake.
Curiously, and almost inexplicably, children raised by widows do just as well as children raised by two parents. It's almost as if the father is still in the home with the child during those most important times.
I’m sorry you lost your husband, but it sounds like you’re doing his memory proud in how you’ve raised your son. I could know nothing else about you but these few comments (well, and the fact that you’re on here...) and know that your boy very is lucky to have you.
Widows don’t curse the fathers existence and complain about them being a lazy slob. It’s just as important to have a Father as it is for a Mother and Father to love each other and not speak against each other.
You were a widow, not a single mom. It must have been very difficult, but the effect of married parents, even when one has died, still gives your children better outcomes than those of single mothers.
Thomas Sowell talks about it, no one listens. A married black college educated couple have a HIGHER household income than their white counterparts. Doesnt fit the narrative of oppression though!
My wife has a black friend that is married - both have good jobs.
Her kids also got scholarships based on their skin color, while I’m knowing that my son won’t have that option.
Those same friends also choose to live in a horrible neighborhood, all while complaining that they are being held down.
I tell people that in the same way my dad was able to run, on foot, from Communist Romania, come to America and literally start with nothing, worked his ass off Monday through Saturday (through Sunday now days) 10+ hours a day... It should be no harder to leave the ghetto and do the same with less effort.
And they respond "yeah well he had opportunities because of his white privilege".
Well, he worked so fucking hard doing any shit job until he became so valuable they HAD NO CHOICE but to give him a raise. And eventually he started his own company. His work ethic and quality of work literally got him constant work and referrals without ever having to advertise and he paid off his 4,000 sq ft 2 acre house near Seattle before he turned 55. While remodeling and building more on nearly ALL BY HIMSELF.
Motherfucker! He was racially profiled for LOOKING RUSSIAN and couldn't even speak English! Fuck your victim attitude and fuck you for being a lazy, excuse making piece of shit!
When they say shit like this they don't understand what the fuck they're talking about. Try being central asian living in the european part of russia. Blacks think america is racist? They have no fucking clue. But goddamn have the dems done a swimming job of putting manacles on their minds.
Your dad must be an awesome dad. He saw early on the opportunity this country offered and ran with it.
The rest just want to blame the white man. Even the lazy white liberal ‘men’.
He's great, unfortunately growing up easy in America a few brothers do not see it that way. My dad of course physically disciplined us. And not nearly as hard as his father did. Yet most of the brothers blame his discipline for their struggles in life (while simultaneously failing to realize we ALL have become respectful, responsible, and hardworking members of society. None of them have social problems or depression, we meet up on regular with my parents, and all live close together (10 of us from one set of parents who are still strongly together).
Some people literally don't have the slightest clue how good they have it. My dad has never been a drunk, never disciplined us for no reason, and worked harder than anybody I've ever known in my entire life to provide for us. Bought us each cars by the time we were 18 and constantly provided maintenance as well. He fixed so many of our fuckups I lost count a long time ago. When he's not working... He's still working at home, literally working every minute he's awake outside of browsing news and watching movies or shows every now and then.
My mom also works her ass off as a stay at home mom. 10 of us and she constantly cleaned after us, always cooking, and always farming. My parents hardly know what a vacation is and we can hardly convince them to take one.
How's that for white privilege. This is why I fucking hate being told me and my parents have white privilege. These assholes haven't worked a day in their lives as hard as my parents work on a daily basis.
My brother is about as far left as it gets and ended up divorcing. The mother is conservative and married another conservative hard working man.
But my brother still puts all his heart into that kid and he's turning out great. I just worry about my brother teaching him liberal shit but I know my SIL and her husband as well as brother make sure to counter it.
So far at 10 he's one of the most mature and considerate kids I ever knew
Not just blacks, the alphabet community has huge advantages. I saw a job announcement at a university for a Diversity manager at $250k. I would bet the qualifications have more to do with how many checkboxes of minority they have versus any real merit. It almost makes a Tootsie scenario the only way to get a decent wage!
If daughters don't get attention and approval from their father they will seek it from other men, which leads to unhealthy habits like premarital sex. Father's, the best thing you can do for your daughters is giving them your attention and support.
I think my daughter is gonna be a badass and put other bitches in their place. My wife was raised to be tough and makes no excuses ever and I'm by far most conservative, no excuse making, bust ass brother of 10.
I can't wait to see how she turns out it's really exciting. She's only 5 months right now
Just as long as we're not blaming men for having the deck stacked against them in the form of discriminatory and punitive divorce courts, I agree with this statement.
Just as long as we're not blaming men for having the deck stacked against them in the form of discriminatory and punitive divorce courts, I agree with this statement.
No fault divorce AND 50 years of male hatred is a stacked deck against 98% of men in divorce court.
Not advocating for punitive divorce or custody laws because i agree with you completely, but let me play devils advocate.
This post is decrying the horrible consequences of a fatherless (single parent) household. Do you think perhaps thats why the govt sees fit to punish those who decide to split the household? With men being the breadwinners historically it seems to make sense we end up on the losing end.
the reason it works the way it does is because single women already vote left more than they vote right, and if you reward a woman for detonating her own family with cash and prizes she will become hooked on the steady supply of "free money" from both her victim, I mean, ex-husband, and Uncle Sucker
no matter what race a welfare queen happens to be I bet if you plucked one out of the ghetto, trailer park, barrio, or wherever the fuck they'd all happen to vote the same way
Completely agree, the rates are just astronomically high percentage wise with basically every race but white. Even with white women its 24% which is still not good.
I believe it's 70% of all divorces, 91% when children are involved (91% might be tied to a particular state. Old stat I don't remember all the context around).
Not sure I follow that last sentence: "With men being the breadwinners historically it seems to make sense we end up on the losing end." Can you clarify the point you're making?
Over 95% of custody agreements are settled outside of court. When a case is settled by a judge, the father is more likely than not to get at least 50% custody IF he asks for it.
Men get the custody they want.
It’s a simple fact, spanning across all cultures, generations, regions, etc., that women spend more time caring for children than men do.
When there’s a legal relationship (marriage), women still do more childcare, and when there isn’t a legal relationship, women do MUCH more childcare.
Don’t blame hardworking mothers for the choices of lazy, walkaway fathers.
When you talk to a divorce lawyer, they explain to you your options, the chance of success, and how much its going to cost. If any of it becomes contested and you end up litigating, you're starting off at $10K.
The reason so many settle outside of court is because dads know they are going to lose anyways and they don't have 10s of thousands of dollars to fight the system.
^ That's exactly what happened with my uncle. Unless you're rolling in money, it's hard to fight the system. Thanks to that, he goes into a depression every Father's Day. By the time he finally was able to get in contact with his daughter, her mother had poisoned her mind so much that it had basically destroyed any chance of a relationship. She had moved her over many state lines, and didn't give her the option of calling her dad until she was roughly 15 years old. (So ... 10+ years after the divorce)
Over 95% of custody agreements are settled outside of court. When a case is settled by a judge, the father is more likely than not to get at least 50% custody IF he asks for it.
I've never heard the 95% statistic before. Since the devil's advocate argument you're putting forth is predicated entirely on this number, can you cite a source?
I just spent a while looking for the actual peer-reviewed article, however I wasn’t able to find it yet, but I’ll get back to you. I found lots of articles that cited the same “95%” stat, here is one of them:
I had a lot of good discussions (with solid links) but they were in my comment history from r/GenderCritical, and Reddit has just erased it and all our post history, as if it never happened.
Because God forbid women advocate for women and refuse to call a man in lipstick a female.
i made a post about this a while ago so ill just copy paste it
a lot of people will blame black men for stepping out on their children in such huge numbers that you have such a crisis among black americans with fatherless homes, but the light needs to be shined on the true 800 pound gorilla in the room
men behave as they need to in order to have sex with women. young black women consistently have sex with thugs, gangbangers, and drug dealers. it's no surprise those are the lads stepping out when she gets knocked up, but she never cared in the first place because now she gets access to all kinds of government cheese and is getting paid by Uncle Sucker to exist. if a black man wants to have sex with a black woman in his community, what else is he supposed to do? he will be punished for doing everything right, and he will be richly rewarded for leading an irresponsible life that will send him to an early grave.
of course the upstanding young black men who do everything right tend to gravitate towards non-black women when they enter into a committed relationship. the problem with the black community, every single problem they have, starts with the behavior of young black women. the future is in their hands but for 50 years they've been dropping it on the floor so they could instead fill their hands with drug dealer dick
Take it from Pac. We would never know who Tupac Shakur was if he didn't have problems with getting women when he was younger, but the man died when he was 25. If he hadn't gone down the path of gangsta rap and beefin with other rappers he'd be just 49 years old today. He could be a family man looking forward to having some grandchildren soon while working towards retirement. Instead after being cremated his ashes were mixed with marijuana and literally smoked by some of his friends. Who wants to go out like that?
The black community is never going to improve as long as young women continue to want thugs, since any young man who wants to have sex with a black woman has no other choice than to become a thug.
"because now she gets access to all kinds of government cheese and is getting paid by Uncle Sucker to exist"
This transcends race, and is truly the root of the issue. When the government started paying women to avoid marriage, things started to fall apart. I know two couple who never married because they would have had less money. Both are white.
I know, but that post was specifically from a thread about fatherlessness in black america, still very applicable to fatherlessness at large since as i alluded to in the post the problem really stems from the sexual desires of women and the inability for fathers to control who their daughters associate with like we had in the past
even within living memory for some folks there was a time where if you didnt have a father's permission to associate with his daughter he'd either kick the living shit out of you or run you out of town. back when shotgun weddings had a legitimate shotgun involved.
Not just avoid, but encouraged and rewarded to stab their men in the back for decades now. Quick! Pretend to be surprised at the absolute state of families and children these days
Without long-term pair bonding, an emotional connection/attachment to family, and the possibility of benefiting one's children and grand-children across generations, men have no real incentive to be "good." They may be good for a while on instinct but it has to be rewarded or they'll turn bad out of spite.
To be perfectly honest, this type of thinking is how feminists WANT you to think. What men, not just black men, need to work on IS THEIR PURPOSE. Women and a family should be a byproduct of a man's success.
The issue with society is it puts "Lots of Pussy" as the GOAL of man, instead of their goal being accumulating mass amounts of wealth or owning a business etc.
Here's something that pisses women off, but is true: Women follow a Man's lead. If a Man is with a woman long enough, he can shape that woman into what he wants. However, it's a long process and you need to weed through a lot of them.
The most dangerous think to Women and Feminists is a man having power over his own life and having OPTIONS. If you covertly tell a woman you're not just seeing her when you date, she becomes instantly drawn to you more.
Men need to stop chasing pussy. If you want more info, read "The Rational Male" by Rollo Tomassi
Society also says "lots of male attention (and frequently dick)" is the goal of women. Most women today have little to no standards, class, or self respect and will give it up for almost any guy that pays attention to them for one night.
A woman's goal should be finding a healthy and financially stable man to start a family with. Instead we're taught it's better to look like a whore on the internet for attention or to sell some product, or fuck whoever you want all day everyday because even if you get knocked up by some dude you barely even know, the government will be there for you. Or, get on birth control and get a career and you can waste your days fucking and working and consuming until your looks have dried up and you're old and alone with nothing to show for it.
The root of the problem for everyone seems to be the blind acceptance of the over sexualization of our society.
I'm sorry, but I have to completely disagree and will go as far to say that's how an incel thinks: "Women should be THIS way".
Here's the thing, you can't change that. A woman will do what she wants. Can we over time change that for next generations to come? Absolutely. But at this time, they are stuck in their ways. What we as men need to do is pick the woman WE want, and then through our power, shape them in our image. If she acts out, drop her. And for the love of god, dont have kids until you KNOW she will behave.
This rings so true. I went to one of the three military academies. Served with a lot of successful squared away black men. Most of them married white women.
No dad = higher rates of suicide, homosexuality, transgenderism, alcohol abuse, pornography usage, atheism, socialism, anti gun sentiments and so on. The intersectionality that people support is true in the sense that all these leftist movements and beliefs come together at a similar junction point: absent fathers.
The intersectionality that people support is true in the sense that all these leftist movements and beliefs come together at a similar junction point: absent fathers.
Yep. And all of that is good for Democrats …. The Leftist only love Death, Destruction and Despair …. TheY hate God, the Nuclear family and America.
Yup - I think this is why God is depicted as male. Historically, societies that "abandoned God" were destroyed, assimilated, or overrun by other societies. When society turns its back on the male, it will die.
Historically, societies that "abandoned God" were destroyed, assimilated, or overrun by other societies. When society turns its back on the male, it will die.
The enemy knew They can never destroy America in a physical war.
We are literally in a war for America’s soul.
Trump must win
Trump 2020
Just out of curiosity, do you think that was because of Christianity, or because the world around you was telling you to hate Christians?
I was raised non-religiously, so I wouldn't know. There was a time in my life that I thought Christianity and religion in general was silly, but I've come around to seeing it's value as I've gotten older, even if I don't practice it myself.
It was largely the hypocritical stuff from my parents and the criticism from the atheist sub culture and comedians such as Matt Stone and Trey Parker.
Now I'm interested in the wisdom all the ancients have to share, not just Jewish / Christian ones. I also don't like the pedestal Christians put Jesus on. The self loathing "I'm a dirty menstrual rag" sung in worship is also an unhealthy / gross view of reality.
I'm a white guy that grew up without a father and I was a real piece of shit until probably my mid 20s when I really began to question why I was the way i was. My mom is an amazing woman that sacrificed and worked her ass off to feed us but I caused trouble and hung out with other awful people (all of them also fatherless) and all around really fucked up my youth. I've experienced and seen first hand what not having a father does to teenagers of all races, it's not an issue that's mutually exclusive to the black community.
Its kind of Funny. My cousins exWife is a total Feminist. All about work and career, yet she'd complain about not seeing her kids and how her marriage is not great and blah blah blah. Well BAM my cousin leaves her and she can't understand why.
Well humm, maybe if you paid more attention to your Husband and Kids, chances are your LIFE would be better! But no, you had to put your career first, and have that huge "dream" house and in debt up to your eyeballs. What hilarious is she has to pay alimony to my cousin. She of course thought she would be getting money from him LOL
YES… . That and most state legislators have passed Laws that use a Financial formula Spread sheet. Both parties put their info in. For the financial decisions. However , a good attorney will fight for their clients best interests!!!
the only way to have reform of the archaic family courts/punishment system is to let well-to-do women experience some of the injustices built into the system intended to support women in leaving their husbands.
I encourage any father going through a divorce to IMMEDIATELY declare that she's leaving you because you intended to have a gender transition that she does not support. Let the justice system eat her alive.
When it's all said and done though, be merciful on your ex and build a civil relationship after she's thoroughly destroyed and redpilled against woke feminism.
The "social justice" folks do not want you to have this constructive conversation. They do not actually want kids to have fathers. People without real opportunity and growth are kept in shackles, casting votes to urban democrats in order to survive.
The fact that you even bring up the discussion is now considered racist. There is a reason YouTube and other sites ban what they deem "conspiracy theories" and "offensive content"... because now it is right in front of your face and people are figuring it out.
Yes it is sad. Netflix and video game addictions have set the stage for them. People, especially kids, used to be out of the house more. Now those stronger families can afford AC (kids stay inside getting fat), while impoverished people (specifically black kids in the inner city) have no dad, and no other kids outside. The only other kids to hangout with are the ones who also have no dads. Their families can't afford nice homes with comfy couches and video games. Then those kids join gangs as a replacement for their dad. And democrats unfortunately like it that way because they will grow up to be blue voters in need of weal-fare. It's an economic issue more than a race issue.
The "social justice" folks do not want you to have this constructive conversation. They do not actually want kids to have fathers. People without real opportunity and growth are kept in shackles, casting votes to urban democrats in order to survive.
The fact that you even bring up the discussion is now considered racist. There is a reason YouTube and other sites ban what they deem "conspiracy theories" and "offensive content"... because now it is right in front of your face and people are figuring it out.
Long term generational welfare, assistance, EBT, Section 8 etc incentivizes African-American women to be single and have multiple children. The black man is rendered useless to the black family since he can’t get a job that can surpass the $$$ of welfare.
As long as we make it profitable for women to kick fathers out of the home, and milk these men with under threat of government goons, this is going to continue.
they're creating the template for their own demise.
As soon as fathers enter the divorce with the mindset that they simply need to scream emotional rape, they'll set a precedent for other fathers to do the same... powerful women will experience the wrath of the hypocrisy they've set in motion. It will be glorious - but sad. Sad that it had to come to it. But honestly, the only way the archaic and outdated family courts system will get changed is when women experience some of the outrage mob unjustly.
Declare you're gender fluidity on full display in the courtroom and watch as the human rights granted to you cause her to go on full defense - professing herself to be an ally and pro-LGBTQAIIPs2+ but shaming you incessantly in the processes as being really a man.
As long as we make it profitable for women to kick fathers out of the home, and milk these men with under threat of government goons, this is going to continue.
Yep. But men are evil, all sex ( with a man) is rape, and the Patriarchy!!! Must get revenge!!!
A father learns about God by being a father. You can't be a father without a woman and the best relationship is husband and wife.
You also learn about God's grace through serving your wife. It can be very very hard, but if you are honest you'll realize its very very hard for God not to flick you off the planet like a flea (aka get what you deserve) when you complain, are selfish, hypocritical, etc.)
So yeah broken families are the reason, but even more so broken relationships with our heavenly father are the root cause of that.
I actually brought this up to a lefty and she said that blacks had a different family unit and it was unreasonable to expect them to have the same family structure of white people.
I actually brought this up to a lefty and she said that blacks had a different family unit and it was unreasonable to expect them to have the same family structure of white people.
Remember black family shows in the 90s? Family Matters was one of my favorites. It looked an awful lot like the white family shows of the time too. I guess it only takes 30 years for the structure of black families to change completely. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I know several intact black families. One of the best 'model' families I know is a very religious one, the father coaches women's soccer (He's like a black Brett Kavanaugh) and he makes a point of showing up to things like my son's birthday, baptism etc etc.. despite the fact that he only COACHED my ex and her sister like 20 years ago. I don't know how he manages to find the time to be a part of peoples' lives but it's truly amazing the spirit this guy brings with him everywhere. People shout 'Hey Coach!" in public.
His wife is white, but his 2-3 kids are all grown up, doctors and lawyers and shit. All solidly black and not trapped in some victim mentality.
BLM mission statement is some bullshit about communities raising kids. Well who in the community is going to do that if every dad in the community is MIA running around trying to screw every single mom?
It's like their mission statement was written to appeal to a certain demographic, the kind who are always on shows like Maury getting DNA tested to see if they are the father or not.
"Village" = kids getting abused, raped, molested, exposed to drugs, beaten, ignored, and neglected. Exactly the same way these villages treat their neighborhoods and local businesses. Tragedy of the commons. They want all the benefits of people being invested in their communities without paying or otherwise rewarding the people doing the investing. I'd say it's sad but actually it's despicable.
God told us not have children outside of marriage and not to divorce except for a couple of Biblically allowable reasons. He knows what's best for us and loves us. And even fewer people want to talk about that.
Going through an unwanted divorce at the moment. Been fighting like hell to save our family, and will keep hope alive until the bitter end (and beyond). I know this all too well...
Of course, how are you supposed to go home for family holidays and events when one of your parents is suddenly not welcome there, but some unrelated stranger is? How are your children going to spend family time with their grandparents?
It is no wonder to me that one of the chief platforms BLM operates on is the disruption of the family. They don't want to address the fatherless rate in their own community, they just want to bring everyone down to their level.
There is a revolting culture within the black community that is slowly infesting western society. One that needs to be carved out like the tumor that it is and burned with unquenchable fire. Children need fathers as much as they need mothers. To intentionally deny a child that is evil.
Seriously - donate to men's rights people. They need the money, have the most hostile attitudes thrown against them from academia, media, and government agencies, and almost all solutions to men's issues involve reducing state power and control. Conservatives, republicans, and libertarians have ignored men's issues at their peril.
Bingo! And none other than even flaming liberal Daniel Moynihan said so in his '60s Moynihan Report.
The black family was decimated back then, thanks to LBJ's policies which disincentivized intact families. What you have today, is a preponderance of "single moms" [insert obligatory applause here], even among WHITES--replicating the family status of yesterday's "juvenile delinquents," with the same results: poverty, lack of education and lack of SUPPORT of education, and crime.
Yes, (cover your ears, skeptics), it's FATHERS who civilize children, and we're reaping what's been sewn by their absence in the family unit, and society now pooh-poohing their influence.
There are many disadvantages to the destruction of the family unit, but illegitimacy [gasp!] remains the SUREST route to poverty in America. Believe it.
We have many immigrants come here - even illegally that know the importance of a strong family unit. That’s why even poor neighborhoods aren’t shitholes for many.
This seems to get lost on the black community though and people need to stop making excuses for it. Yet we keep giving them welfare so the cycle never stops. Defundtheblackcommunity
Perpetuating the welfare state. The only way to stop this is to remove the economic incentive for it.
What really sucks is that a lot of the money we pour into the system don't even go to the kids. The "parent" will buy stuff with EBT and sell it for cash at pennies on the dollar, and then spend that on vice.
We are fundamentally born as stupid helpless beings, with zero intelligence and capabilities. You stay that way if you are not raised properly. Responsibility, reflection, morals, ethics, beliefs, and many more fundamental things that make us human are not being taught anymore.
Leftists created a way to pay fathers to leave the family and then pay the single mother to create as many fatherless children as possible.
I hope in 100 years people look back at that in utter disbelief and then shudder when they find out we really did that around the turn of the last century (but hopefully not much longer).
If you ever want some great stuff on this - Thomas Sowell is all over Youtube and holy shit does he ever call this out. the man is a freak with numbers, dates and citations too.
If you ever want some great stuff on this - Thomas Sowell is all over Youtube and holy shit does he ever call this out. the man is a freak with numbers, dates and citations too.
Fathers are needed. At some point in a child’s life the mother is not needed anymore in a since. The father can only teach a man how to be a man. You don’t want your son to grow up soft.
I realize that this problem is not caused by the color of the parent's skin, but regardless, I would still like to see the active statistics. (from a reliable source)
How lucky she is! Mine has one as well. Spent this weekend letting her play in the wading pool, having a cookout and teaching her about the flag and her country.
Within the realm of the humanities, including the social sciences, a conservative recognizes families (fathers, mothers, children, grandchildren) and households based on private property and in cooperation with a community of other households as the most fundamental, natural, essential, ancient, and indispensable social units. Moreover, the family household also represents the model of the social order at large.
Conservatives (or more specifically, Western Greco-Christian conservatives), if they stand for anything, stand for and want to preserve the family and the social hierarchies and layers of material as well as spiritual-intellectual authority based on and growing out of family bonds and kinship relations. --- Hans-Hermann Hoppe
You take God and church out of the picture and wonder why the family falls apart. This is the root of the problem. Obviously this can be said about most things going on in today's society. This country needs to find it's way back to God.
Young women prefer a fwb with Chad and Tyrone over any sort of serious relationship these days, and they happen to quite often get fucked raw and then get pregnant, which often leads to either abortion or fatherless children bound to become the crazy deranged leftists of the future. What can we do about it? Nothing, it's the cycle of life on this fucked up 21st century.
They know it matters. They wanted those results. It was deliberate.
No fault divorce, family courts biased against fathers, and the creation of the welfare state were all designed to create more broken families.
The entire goal was to replace the family with the state. And they're doing quite well.
Yup! Alienated NJ father here. Quick story: married 13 years when wife said she wanted a divorce. We had joint custody of the kids for five years. During the 2007-2008 economic crash my income dropped by 80%. I went to court for temporary relief, I was bringing home no paycheck. Ex wife got pissed off started filing restraining orders against me, whenever I would show up at my kids soccer and lacrosse games. Was thrown into prison A few times because I was behind on child support and alimony. She told me she didn’t want me to see the kids and the court willingly made it impossible for me to see my kids if I did not want to go to jail. It’s been eight years since I have had meaningful contact with son and daughter. I die a little each day I don’t hear from them. The family courts in NJ are controlled by the democrats and if your ex wants you out of your kids lives she can do it. The family courts are the 10th circle of hell and are destroying fathers relationships with their children.
I'm sorry Dad-Pede.
Thanks fellow pede! It’s sucks big time but I try to keep going. I just want my fellow jersey pedes to know the family courts are a racket controlled by the lawyers. A great group of fathers who have been through the system, is Fathers and Childrens Equality(FACE). When I ran out of money and went Pro Bono, FACE helped me navigate the system..
Keep the faith.
Also Dwight Howard. And Shawn Kemp.
And Cromartie
And Cromartie
Can we leave the "this" shit on plebbit? It adds less than nothing. Either add to the discussion or just upvote the post and move on.
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seems like a weird subject for social behavior management.
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This forum is a place of love. That kind of negativety is not welcome.
Negativity? What was negative about what I said? I'm trying to elevate the discourse beyond retard shit like. "this" which is a childish, reddit holdover for karma whoring. What's the point of commenting "this"? To show approval for a comment? Just fucking upvote it! Or, if you really like it, make an actual reply stating how the comment resonated with you. Sheesh. You faggots who just want to keep being reddit fags can go back to reddit. Want to build something better? BE BETTER!
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They want broken and dysfunctional families and mass abortions. That's how they justify demographic displacement.
Remember Dan Quayle and the Murphy Brown controversy about being a single mom? Turns out Dan Quayle was right. This BS has been spouted for decades and look what they’ve done.
Grace under fire. TV show dealing with a single mom and her struggles. Brainwashing show to get the masses used to single moms.
"Alice." "One Day At A Time." etc etc
I do distinctly remember that R convention being very much "more family values than thou"
What I can't seem to recall are Rs doing jack shit about the twin travesties of divorce and family court at any point afterwards
It's all lip service while they fuck mistresses and ladyboys anyway. It's a swamp; RINOs are the least endangered species that exists and they must all be removed from the government.
Honestly, don't really give a shit who they're fucking as long as their policy is good for America.
People who fuck around too much will fuck your society too
What do you mean? Tell the faithless, hedonistic BOOMERS they aren't allowed to divorce and abort anymore? That would have gone over well... half of GenX wasn't even able to vote yet.
Do I have all the answers? No.
In my defense back then I was young and (even more) stupid, and notably I was not in a leadership position of the party pounding the drumbeat of "family values". Presumably those doing so were aware the alternative was the nation imploding in a couple generations...and did nothing about it as far as I can tell.
What made the "family values" stuff so unpalatable to me at the time was seeing a man my parents age lecturing us about it and was dealing with years of fallout from their divorce. It took a long time before I actually understood what Republicans were trying to say.
Dan wasn't stating anything that wasn't already known by then. By the end of the 80s the poor in America were ravaged by divorce, drugs and welfare.
That is a direct quote from BLM’s website under the heading “What We Believe”
See for yourself: https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
The lie that is BLM's agenda is baffling.
Agree. I got bullied by the school bully on my 3rd day of 7th grade at a new school at lunchtime in front of everyone. He picked on me, thought he was tough, I punched him as hard as I could and knocked his front tooth loose. Blood everywhere. Nobody ever fucked with me again at that school and the undisputed hottest 8th grade girl asked me to be her boyfriend 2 days later....we went steady for a solid 2 weeks before breaking up. Ahhh middle school. Good times.
Reminds me of that scene of American sniper where the dad tells his son about the wolf the sheep and the shephard dog. The majority of people are sheep but some are wolves that prey on the sheep and then there are the shephard dog that are put on earth by God to protect the sheep from the wolf. The wolf is violent by nature but the shephard dog when he witness a wrong he channels all of his fury and no wolf can stand to him.
Oh please. By that logic we shouldn’t let men into government either because they are more violent/aggressive and start more wars. See how ridiculous that generalization is?
Men are far LESS likely to engage in violence. They understand consequences in a way a woman simply cannot.
Take domestic abuse for example. The likelihood violence will occur in a relationship is directly related to the number of females in the relationship. And why not? They aren't treated like adults when exhibiting bad behavior. More like retarded children.
Lesbians have the highest. Then hetro couples. With gay men being on the bottom, no pun intended.
Men aren't given a free pass to lie and exploit social norms to attack those they want to hurt. Women are not only encouraged, but rewarded through the Victimization/Legal Complex.
Our society simply cannot function when the majority are willing to lie, cheat, and steal, their way into power. BLM and other groups like it are a female phenomenon.
Hahaha.... wait, you're serious? Men are far less likely to engage in violence? Do we live on the same planet? According to FBI statistics in 2012: men committed 88.7% of homicides, 99.1% forcible rapes, 77.1% aggravated assaults, and 82% of arsons. Now, I still think men can be great. Women can also be great. The genders are equal. But don't lie to yourself.
Although I do agree with you that, especially compared to instances of female-perpetrated domestic violence, men are treated more unfairly.
Random violence is not the same as violence towards someone you're supposed to care for. If you break it down by race and age things also start to look different on and on. However what he said is true.
Take Trump and Hillary for example, Hillary would have escalates the Syria conflict into a full blown proxy war against Russia to save face from a lie the media pushed since 2016 and that her servers were hacked by them.
Meanwhile Trump was baited over and over to increase military presence and action in the middle east but never did. Take off the financial motivation for politicians to do as they will and you get a better picture. Hell even external factors like does he have sons or daughters on and on play on how likely someone will be towards pushing wars.
Both genders are violent. Men get results from theirs. Ender's Game comes to mind.
Yes, both genders are capable of violence. But to claim that they commit them at equal rates is just plain wrong. And if it were true that men simply get results more, then the assaults at least would be equal, but they're not even close.
The genders are a lot of things, but they are not equal.
BLM is run and was founded by a couple of dykes.
You're right, I need to learn how to read. I thought for sure your post said that women should have never been allowed to vote/be in government because they nurture and do not protect. Silly me! Oh wait... you said exactly that.
Look, we can all agree that there have been MANY great male leaders throughout history. I would never deny this. But there have also been some overly-aggressive men who nearly led their countries to ruin. This supports my point: men tend to be more violent, but they are not ALL violent. Just like not ALL women are too weak to lead and therefore should be banned from government.
Funny thing is that I agree with you. I especially think it's terrible how society makes men feel bad about the most ridiculous things ("mansplaining" comes to mind). It makes men believe that if they act like men, they'll be demonized. This is just sad to me and needs to be resisted.
I also agree that the voting age should be raised. Democrats wanted to LOWER it a little while ago in an obvious attempt to snag the uneducated teen vote.
Also, if I misunderstood your first point, I apologize. I've been team Trump for a long time but I'd hate to see us act like the racists and sexists the liberals always accuse us of being when I know they're wrong (like usual).
Hilary would agree with you that ‘not all women are too weak to lead and therefore should be banned from government’.
Some are just as violent, and need to be banned for being evil.
I don't like Hillary, but just because she'd agree with that statement doesn't make it wrong.
And I agree with you. Women who are violent should be punished, the same goes for men who are violent. I never argued otherwise.
Honestly you have to be aggressive in government. If we’re not then another country will be. But to undervalue the opinion of women is close minded.
I listen to my wife and consider but at the end of the day I’ll do what is best for my family.
The feminist approach: let's be kind and nurturing while China fucks our shit up.
Unfortunately, I think you're right.
That's like celebrating your chemo-induced weight loss. It's technically true, but holy shit at what cost?
My libtard sister had like 6 abortions. Then when she finally met and settled down with her like-minded libtard husband at 35 discovered she'd scarred her uterus so much she couldn't get pregnant when she actually wanted to. Now she's in her 40's, childless, depressed and continues to spout libtard feminist ideology. She's got no clue. I don't discuss politics with them anymore.
I know the answer but I'll ask anyway. Did you give her a clue? Did you use a large black sharpie and clearly draw a correlation between her past actions and current circumstances? (I'm a bit of an optimist and I like to think that some folks are just slow on the uptake.)
Nah, those are the types of people who are willfully ignorant. Society pushes casual sex, especially for women, and pushes for ease of access to abortions but “conveniently” leaves out that abortions cause permanent damage to the uterus and can make it impossible for them to have children.
Maybe for the best, you may have ended up with a 2 year old nephew>niece>non-binary.
Sorry for your loss.
I've heard even a single abortion fucks your head up. I can't imagine six. You either mourn your decisions or do mental gymnastics to protect your mind from what you've done and fall further into the abyss. Sorry for your sister; it sounds like she chose the latter.
Guns can help
The loss of the communist is not a loss for mankind. The loss of the left is not a loss for America.
How BLM of you.
Ok, shill
Explain the difference between modern whites being blamed for slavery and you blaming those aborted kids for being conceived by commies.
Nature doesn't give a fuck. The genetics are unfit. They will not carry forward.
That's why they want massive floods of refugees and illegal immigrants coming to western countries. Leftists want to take everyone down with them.
It's probably the main reason they're so pissed at Trump. He's successfully halted pretty much all refugees and illegal immigrants the past 3 years. If it wasn't for him we'd already be France by this point.
You know that is not how genetics work, right?
Besides which, the leftists already staff the schools, universities, TV networks, radio stations, big tech companies, book publishers, video game publishers, etc.
That is how leftism spreads, not through genetics.
You say lefts abort their kids implying that the conservatives are having all these bastard kids
I think it's more likely the bastard kids are coming from liberal women.
Of course there will be outliers, but as a general rule I'd wager it's he leftist women aborting and being okay witj having a kid out of wedlock
Not really implying that at all. Conservative values tend to naturally lead to less out of wedlock pregnancies to begin with. Your very premise is flawed.
It's also the fact that divorces are encouraged now. Laws like alimony where the woman can make a steady income (for years) from the man even after receiving 50% of all assets are a mistake.
Feminism is cancer
You should have specified "black fatherless rate". At first glance I was like WTF source please! lol
This practice was tested on the black community first. Worked so good it’s been rolled out for all to enjoy.
No only are mothers holding 70%+ of parenting, but also 70%+ in teaching and now govt, etc.
Would love to see something change but feminism and CAIR are working too hard to diminish the results of normalcy.
Great job Democrap party.
The Leftist Worship Death , Destruction and Despair
Curiously, and almost inexplicably, children raised by widows do just as well as children raised by two parents. It's almost as if the father is still in the home with the child during those most important times.
I’m sorry you lost your husband, but it sounds like you’re doing his memory proud in how you’ve raised your son. I could know nothing else about you but these few comments (well, and the fact that you’re on here...) and know that your boy very is lucky to have you.
Widows don’t curse the fathers existence and complain about them being a lazy slob. It’s just as important to have a Father as it is for a Mother and Father to love each other and not speak against each other.
If I were a kid again, I would have feared a dead dad more than a living dad. My dead dad would have been watching me from heaven.
I think keeping the idea that God is watching your every move, every thought, every word, is a good thing for society in general.
Widows are very different from women who divorce or have children out of wedlock, and the statistics show this.
Sorry for your loss, I couldn't imagine losing my spouse.
That is 100% true!!! The Government is not a daddy substitute.
especially when the gov is ran by females in many instances
Father figure. My dad up and left at 2, mom died at 7. If it wasn’t for my uncle taking me in I would have ended up in foster care.
Sorry for your losses and glad your uncle took you in.
You were a widow, not a single mom. It must have been very difficult, but the effect of married parents, even when one has died, still gives your children better outcomes than those of single mothers.
Thomas Sowell talks about it, no one listens. A married black college educated couple have a HIGHER household income than their white counterparts. Doesnt fit the narrative of oppression though!
My wife has a black friend that is married - both have good jobs. Her kids also got scholarships based on their skin color, while I’m knowing that my son won’t have that option. Those same friends also choose to live in a horrible neighborhood, all while complaining that they are being held down.
I tell people that in the same way my dad was able to run, on foot, from Communist Romania, come to America and literally start with nothing, worked his ass off Monday through Saturday (through Sunday now days) 10+ hours a day... It should be no harder to leave the ghetto and do the same with less effort.
And they respond "yeah well he had opportunities because of his white privilege".
Well, he worked so fucking hard doing any shit job until he became so valuable they HAD NO CHOICE but to give him a raise. And eventually he started his own company. His work ethic and quality of work literally got him constant work and referrals without ever having to advertise and he paid off his 4,000 sq ft 2 acre house near Seattle before he turned 55. While remodeling and building more on nearly ALL BY HIMSELF.
Motherfucker! He was racially profiled for LOOKING RUSSIAN and couldn't even speak English! Fuck your victim attitude and fuck you for being a lazy, excuse making piece of shit!
When they say shit like this they don't understand what the fuck they're talking about. Try being central asian living in the european part of russia. Blacks think america is racist? They have no fucking clue. But goddamn have the dems done a swimming job of putting manacles on their minds.
Your dad must be an awesome dad. He saw early on the opportunity this country offered and ran with it. The rest just want to blame the white man. Even the lazy white liberal ‘men’.
He's great, unfortunately growing up easy in America a few brothers do not see it that way. My dad of course physically disciplined us. And not nearly as hard as his father did. Yet most of the brothers blame his discipline for their struggles in life (while simultaneously failing to realize we ALL have become respectful, responsible, and hardworking members of society. None of them have social problems or depression, we meet up on regular with my parents, and all live close together (10 of us from one set of parents who are still strongly together).
Some people literally don't have the slightest clue how good they have it. My dad has never been a drunk, never disciplined us for no reason, and worked harder than anybody I've ever known in my entire life to provide for us. Bought us each cars by the time we were 18 and constantly provided maintenance as well. He fixed so many of our fuckups I lost count a long time ago. When he's not working... He's still working at home, literally working every minute he's awake outside of browsing news and watching movies or shows every now and then.
My mom also works her ass off as a stay at home mom. 10 of us and she constantly cleaned after us, always cooking, and always farming. My parents hardly know what a vacation is and we can hardly convince them to take one.
How's that for white privilege. This is why I fucking hate being told me and my parents have white privilege. These assholes haven't worked a day in their lives as hard as my parents work on a daily basis.
Absolutely ridiculous! We can never make progress if we keep these racist policies in place!
Problem is take it away it's racist.
Yep. The nuclear family is the best !!!
My brother is about as far left as it gets and ended up divorcing. The mother is conservative and married another conservative hard working man.
But my brother still puts all his heart into that kid and he's turning out great. I just worry about my brother teaching him liberal shit but I know my SIL and her husband as well as brother make sure to counter it.
So far at 10 he's one of the most mature and considerate kids I ever knew
Lol. Even a rolling stone can be GREAT FATHER!!!
AA is also "the best," for them that is.
Not just blacks, the alphabet community has huge advantages. I saw a job announcement at a university for a Diversity manager at $250k. I would bet the qualifications have more to do with how many checkboxes of minority they have versus any real merit. It almost makes a Tootsie scenario the only way to get a decent wage!
You are now banned from /r/Pyongyang.
EXACTLY … AND DAUGHTERS TOO… or they turn into Karen’s.
If daughters don't get attention and approval from their father they will seek it from other men, which leads to unhealthy habits like premarital sex. Father's, the best thing you can do for your daughters is giving them your attention and support.
Agree
I think my daughter is gonna be a badass and put other bitches in their place. My wife was raised to be tough and makes no excuses ever and I'm by far most conservative, no excuse making, bust ass brother of 10.
I can't wait to see how she turns out it's really exciting. She's only 5 months right now
You wanna know what's fucked up.. BLM statement is actually PRO FATHERLESS homes.
And PRO single mothers depending on the Government.
They wish to, "disrupt the nuclear family structure", among other things...
Just as long as we're not blaming men for having the deck stacked against them in the form of discriminatory and punitive divorce courts, I agree with this statement.
No fault divorce AND 50 years of male hatred is a stacked deck against 98% of men in divorce court.
Yet feminists pay for bunk "studies" that claim mothers are discriminated against in family court.
Their followers are so deranged that they happily swallow the lie.
For every (drug-using, abusive, and proven-to-be-lying) woman who gets "screwed" in family court there are a hundred dads.
Must destroy patriarchy!!!lol
DEADBEAT MOMS ARE THE PROBLEM.
Not advocating for punitive divorce or custody laws because i agree with you completely, but let me play devils advocate.
This post is decrying the horrible consequences of a fatherless (single parent) household. Do you think perhaps thats why the govt sees fit to punish those who decide to split the household? With men being the breadwinners historically it seems to make sense we end up on the losing end.
the reason it works the way it does is because single women already vote left more than they vote right, and if you reward a woman for detonating her own family with cash and prizes she will become hooked on the steady supply of "free money" from both her victim, I mean, ex-husband, and Uncle Sucker
no matter what race a welfare queen happens to be I bet if you plucked one out of the ghetto, trailer park, barrio, or wherever the fuck they'd all happen to vote the same way
Yeah I think I saw something from the 16 election saying that if Women didn't vote Trump would have won every state and county.
Completely agree, the rates are just astronomically high percentage wise with basically every race but white. Even with white women its 24% which is still not good.
If we're blaming the person who decides to split the household, keep in mind that the majority of divorces are initiated by the wife.
Women initiate 70% of divorces.
I believe it's 70% of all divorces, 91% when children are involved (91% might be tied to a particular state. Old stat I don't remember all the context around).
Not sure I follow that last sentence: "With men being the breadwinners historically it seems to make sense we end up on the losing end." Can you clarify the point you're making?
Over 95% of custody agreements are settled outside of court. When a case is settled by a judge, the father is more likely than not to get at least 50% custody IF he asks for it.
Men get the custody they want.
It’s a simple fact, spanning across all cultures, generations, regions, etc., that women spend more time caring for children than men do.
When there’s a legal relationship (marriage), women still do more childcare, and when there isn’t a legal relationship, women do MUCH more childcare.
Don’t blame hardworking mothers for the choices of lazy, walkaway fathers.
When you talk to a divorce lawyer, they explain to you your options, the chance of success, and how much its going to cost. If any of it becomes contested and you end up litigating, you're starting off at $10K.
The reason so many settle outside of court is because dads know they are going to lose anyways and they don't have 10s of thousands of dollars to fight the system.
^ That's exactly what happened with my uncle. Unless you're rolling in money, it's hard to fight the system. Thanks to that, he goes into a depression every Father's Day. By the time he finally was able to get in contact with his daughter, her mother had poisoned her mind so much that it had basically destroyed any chance of a relationship. She had moved her over many state lines, and didn't give her the option of calling her dad until she was roughly 15 years old. (So ... 10+ years after the divorce)
Keep pimpin' those lies.
I've never heard the 95% statistic before. Since the devil's advocate argument you're putting forth is predicated entirely on this number, can you cite a source?
I just spent a while looking for the actual peer-reviewed article, however I wasn’t able to find it yet, but I’ll get back to you. I found lots of articles that cited the same “95%” stat, here is one of them:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-divorce-process/#app
I had a lot of good discussions (with solid links) but they were in my comment history from r/GenderCritical, and Reddit has just erased it and all our post history, as if it never happened.
Because God forbid women advocate for women and refuse to call a man in lipstick a female.
i made a post about this a while ago so ill just copy paste it
a lot of people will blame black men for stepping out on their children in such huge numbers that you have such a crisis among black americans with fatherless homes, but the light needs to be shined on the true 800 pound gorilla in the room
men behave as they need to in order to have sex with women. young black women consistently have sex with thugs, gangbangers, and drug dealers. it's no surprise those are the lads stepping out when she gets knocked up, but she never cared in the first place because now she gets access to all kinds of government cheese and is getting paid by Uncle Sucker to exist. if a black man wants to have sex with a black woman in his community, what else is he supposed to do? he will be punished for doing everything right, and he will be richly rewarded for leading an irresponsible life that will send him to an early grave.
of course the upstanding young black men who do everything right tend to gravitate towards non-black women when they enter into a committed relationship. the problem with the black community, every single problem they have, starts with the behavior of young black women. the future is in their hands but for 50 years they've been dropping it on the floor so they could instead fill their hands with drug dealer dick
Take it from Pac. We would never know who Tupac Shakur was if he didn't have problems with getting women when he was younger, but the man died when he was 25. If he hadn't gone down the path of gangsta rap and beefin with other rappers he'd be just 49 years old today. He could be a family man looking forward to having some grandchildren soon while working towards retirement. Instead after being cremated his ashes were mixed with marijuana and literally smoked by some of his friends. Who wants to go out like that?
The black community is never going to improve as long as young women continue to want thugs, since any young man who wants to have sex with a black woman has no other choice than to become a thug.
"because now she gets access to all kinds of government cheese and is getting paid by Uncle Sucker to exist"
This transcends race, and is truly the root of the issue. When the government started paying women to avoid marriage, things started to fall apart. I know two couple who never married because they would have had less money. Both are white.
I know, but that post was specifically from a thread about fatherlessness in black america, still very applicable to fatherlessness at large since as i alluded to in the post the problem really stems from the sexual desires of women and the inability for fathers to control who their daughters associate with like we had in the past
even within living memory for some folks there was a time where if you didnt have a father's permission to associate with his daughter he'd either kick the living shit out of you or run you out of town. back when shotgun weddings had a legitimate shotgun involved.
I was going by the title, which does not mention race:
" Absent Fathers And Broken Families Are The Root Cause Of All Social Problems In America… But Nobody Wants To Talk About “That.”
i meant the post that i copy pasted from another thread, that thread was specifically about fatherlessness in black america
i thought it was applicable to this thread also which is why i copy pasted it here
sorry for the misunderstanding
no worries. MAGA:)
Not just avoid, but encouraged and rewarded to stab their men in the back for decades now. Quick! Pretend to be surprised at the absolute state of families and children these days
Without long-term pair bonding, an emotional connection/attachment to family, and the possibility of benefiting one's children and grand-children across generations, men have no real incentive to be "good." They may be good for a while on instinct but it has to be rewarded or they'll turn bad out of spite.
To be perfectly honest, this type of thinking is how feminists WANT you to think. What men, not just black men, need to work on IS THEIR PURPOSE. Women and a family should be a byproduct of a man's success.
The issue with society is it puts "Lots of Pussy" as the GOAL of man, instead of their goal being accumulating mass amounts of wealth or owning a business etc.
Here's something that pisses women off, but is true: Women follow a Man's lead. If a Man is with a woman long enough, he can shape that woman into what he wants. However, it's a long process and you need to weed through a lot of them.
The most dangerous think to Women and Feminists is a man having power over his own life and having OPTIONS. If you covertly tell a woman you're not just seeing her when you date, she becomes instantly drawn to you more.
Men need to stop chasing pussy. If you want more info, read "The Rational Male" by Rollo Tomassi
Society also says "lots of male attention (and frequently dick)" is the goal of women. Most women today have little to no standards, class, or self respect and will give it up for almost any guy that pays attention to them for one night.
A woman's goal should be finding a healthy and financially stable man to start a family with. Instead we're taught it's better to look like a whore on the internet for attention or to sell some product, or fuck whoever you want all day everyday because even if you get knocked up by some dude you barely even know, the government will be there for you. Or, get on birth control and get a career and you can waste your days fucking and working and consuming until your looks have dried up and you're old and alone with nothing to show for it.
The root of the problem for everyone seems to be the blind acceptance of the over sexualization of our society.
I'm sorry, but I have to completely disagree and will go as far to say that's how an incel thinks: "Women should be THIS way".
Here's the thing, you can't change that. A woman will do what she wants. Can we over time change that for next generations to come? Absolutely. But at this time, they are stuck in their ways. What we as men need to do is pick the woman WE want, and then through our power, shape them in our image. If she acts out, drop her. And for the love of god, dont have kids until you KNOW she will behave.
This rings so true. I went to one of the three military academies. Served with a lot of successful squared away black men. Most of them married white women.
No dad = higher rates of suicide, homosexuality, transgenderism, alcohol abuse, pornography usage, atheism, socialism, anti gun sentiments and so on. The intersectionality that people support is true in the sense that all these leftist movements and beliefs come together at a similar junction point: absent fathers.
Yep. And all of that is good for Democrats …. The Leftist only love Death, Destruction and Despair …. TheY hate God, the Nuclear family and America.
Yup - I think this is why God is depicted as male. Historically, societies that "abandoned God" were destroyed, assimilated, or overrun by other societies. When society turns its back on the male, it will die.
The enemy knew They can never destroy America in a physical war.
We are literally in a war for America’s soul.
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My dad being a fundamentalist Christian pushed me towards atheism.
Just out of curiosity, do you think that was because of Christianity, or because the world around you was telling you to hate Christians?
I was raised non-religiously, so I wouldn't know. There was a time in my life that I thought Christianity and religion in general was silly, but I've come around to seeing it's value as I've gotten older, even if I don't practice it myself.
It was largely the hypocritical stuff from my parents and the criticism from the atheist sub culture and comedians such as Matt Stone and Trey Parker.
Now I'm interested in the wisdom all the ancients have to share, not just Jewish / Christian ones. I also don't like the pedestal Christians put Jesus on. The self loathing "I'm a dirty menstrual rag" sung in worship is also an unhealthy / gross view of reality.
...of all problems in the black community. FTFY
I'm a white guy that grew up without a father and I was a real piece of shit until probably my mid 20s when I really began to question why I was the way i was. My mom is an amazing woman that sacrificed and worked her ass off to feed us but I caused trouble and hung out with other awful people (all of them also fatherless) and all around really fucked up my youth. I've experienced and seen first hand what not having a father does to teenagers of all races, it's not an issue that's mutually exclusive to the black community.
Not exclusive but certainly prevalent and the root cause of the behavior that needs to be addressed before they can move forward.
Learn from Jesus, pray to Saint Joseph. You can break the cycle.
Trust me.. it's not JUST the black community.
Never talked about. And if so. Brushed off.
The best family unit has a loving father and mother.
Agree!
Yes!!!
This country was doomed the moment we began to tolerate babies born out of wedlock and single motherhood in this country.
toleration at a family level without government support is ok, in the "legal and rare" sense. Encouragement is what causes the damage
"tolerate" maybe but everybody knows on an instinctual that something is wrong
even if it's just a gut feeling you try to ignore, you know damn well why that man has his phone out
Without the welfare, all the tolerance in the world wouldn't really incentivize out-of-wedlock births
Yep.
Its kind of Funny. My cousins exWife is a total Feminist. All about work and career, yet she'd complain about not seeing her kids and how her marriage is not great and blah blah blah. Well BAM my cousin leaves her and she can't understand why.
Well humm, maybe if you paid more attention to your Husband and Kids, chances are your LIFE would be better! But no, you had to put your career first, and have that huge "dream" house and in debt up to your eyeballs. What hilarious is she has to pay alimony to my cousin. She of course thought she would be getting money from him LOL
Good for him. Only Happens About 5% of divorces!!!
Yeah he must have had a good lawyer LOL She was so pissed.
YES… . That and most state legislators have passed Laws that use a Financial formula Spread sheet. Both parties put their info in. For the financial decisions. However , a good attorney will fight for their clients best interests!!!
the only way to have reform of the archaic family courts/punishment system is to let well-to-do women experience some of the injustices built into the system intended to support women in leaving their husbands.
I encourage any father going through a divorce to IMMEDIATELY declare that she's leaving you because you intended to have a gender transition that she does not support. Let the justice system eat her alive.
When it's all said and done though, be merciful on your ex and build a civil relationship after she's thoroughly destroyed and redpilled against woke feminism.
I do. the faces and words light up … but Their eyes Tell the truth
The "social justice" folks do not want you to have this constructive conversation. They do not actually want kids to have fathers. People without real opportunity and growth are kept in shackles, casting votes to urban democrats in order to survive.
The fact that you even bring up the discussion is now considered racist. There is a reason YouTube and other sites ban what they deem "conspiracy theories" and "offensive content"... because now it is right in front of your face and people are figuring it out.
This is why BLM is so insidious. They blatantly omit fathers while they casually discuss the destruction of the nuclear family.
Yes it is sad. Netflix and video game addictions have set the stage for them. People, especially kids, used to be out of the house more. Now those stronger families can afford AC (kids stay inside getting fat), while impoverished people (specifically black kids in the inner city) have no dad, and no other kids outside. The only other kids to hangout with are the ones who also have no dads. Their families can't afford nice homes with comfy couches and video games. Then those kids join gangs as a replacement for their dad. And democrats unfortunately like it that way because they will grow up to be blue voters in need of weal-fare. It's an economic issue more than a race issue.
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Long term generational welfare, assistance, EBT, Section 8 etc incentivizes African-American women to be single and have multiple children. The black man is rendered useless to the black family since he can’t get a job that can surpass the $$$ of welfare.
This was done by design.
By Democrats.
LBJ did say he was gonna have them voting Democrat for 200 years...
Yep. For everyone . EVERY demographic is increasing … Some groups faster Than others.
As long as we make it profitable for women to kick fathers out of the home, and milk these men with under threat of government goons, this is going to continue.
Nice drawing btw!
they're creating the template for their own demise.
As soon as fathers enter the divorce with the mindset that they simply need to scream emotional rape, they'll set a precedent for other fathers to do the same... powerful women will experience the wrath of the hypocrisy they've set in motion. It will be glorious - but sad. Sad that it had to come to it. But honestly, the only way the archaic and outdated family courts system will get changed is when women experience some of the outrage mob unjustly.
Declare you're gender fluidity on full display in the courtroom and watch as the human rights granted to you cause her to go on full defense - professing herself to be an ally and pro-LGBTQAIIPs2+ but shaming you incessantly in the processes as being really a man.
Yep. But men are evil, all sex ( with a man) is rape, and the Patriarchy!!! Must get revenge!!!
God made man in his image.
A father learns about God by being a father. You can't be a father without a woman and the best relationship is husband and wife.
You also learn about God's grace through serving your wife. It can be very very hard, but if you are honest you'll realize its very very hard for God not to flick you off the planet like a flea (aka get what you deserve) when you complain, are selfish, hypocritical, etc.)
So yeah broken families are the reason, but even more so broken relationships with our heavenly father are the root cause of that.
Yep. The Number one goal of The Leftist has been to destroy God
It should be a shaming phase
The Leftist erased it.
I actually brought this up to a lefty and she said that blacks had a different family unit and it was unreasonable to expect them to have the same family structure of white people.
She sounds like a racist!!!
Could she explain 'what' the black family unit/structure looked like then?
No doubt Matriarch + 7 kids each with diff fathers, a pyramid scheme of welfare and child support payments.
Us old folks remember intact black families in the 60s....
Remember black family shows in the 90s? Family Matters was one of my favorites. It looked an awful lot like the white family shows of the time too. I guess it only takes 30 years for the structure of black families to change completely. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I know several intact black families. One of the best 'model' families I know is a very religious one, the father coaches women's soccer (He's like a black Brett Kavanaugh) and he makes a point of showing up to things like my son's birthday, baptism etc etc.. despite the fact that he only COACHED my ex and her sister like 20 years ago. I don't know how he manages to find the time to be a part of peoples' lives but it's truly amazing the spirit this guy brings with him everywhere. People shout 'Hey Coach!" in public.
His wife is white, but his 2-3 kids are all grown up, doctors and lawyers and shit. All solidly black and not trapped in some victim mentality.
Shes since deleted her post and isnt responding my my attempts at debate.
BLM mission statement is some bullshit about communities raising kids. Well who in the community is going to do that if every dad in the community is MIA running around trying to screw every single mom?
It's like their mission statement was written to appeal to a certain demographic, the kind who are always on shows like Maury getting DNA tested to see if they are the father or not.
"Village" = kids getting abused, raped, molested, exposed to drugs, beaten, ignored, and neglected. Exactly the same way these villages treat their neighborhoods and local businesses. Tragedy of the commons. They want all the benefits of people being invested in their communities without paying or otherwise rewarding the people doing the investing. I'd say it's sad but actually it's despicable.
The prototype of the African "village" raising children works so well that all African countries are first world powerhouses!
The only thing a village raises are … IDIOTS!!!
God told us not have children outside of marriage and not to divorce except for a couple of Biblically allowable reasons. He knows what's best for us and loves us. And even fewer people want to talk about that.
Going through an unwanted divorce at the moment. Been fighting like hell to save our family, and will keep hope alive until the bitter end (and beyond). I know this all too well...
So they made it impossible to stay married and very easy to get divorced. Make sense
And then the words are too carefully scripted. God was not afraid. We can’t be either.
The proudest thing I’ve ever done is be a father.
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Yep
Yes. The Government became the Daddy.
Yes. Do it now
My parents didnt split until I was an adult and my other brothers were in the teens.
It still had a huge impact.
Divorce, generally , is very selfish
Of course, how are you supposed to go home for family holidays and events when one of your parents is suddenly not welcome there, but some unrelated stranger is? How are your children going to spend family time with their grandparents?
It is no wonder to me that one of the chief platforms BLM operates on is the disruption of the family. They don't want to address the fatherless rate in their own community, they just want to bring everyone down to their level.
There is a revolting culture within the black community that is slowly infesting western society. One that needs to be carved out like the tumor that it is and burned with unquenchable fire. Children need fathers as much as they need mothers. To intentionally deny a child that is evil.
It takes a village to raise an idiot
Seriously - donate to men's rights people. They need the money, have the most hostile attitudes thrown against them from academia, media, and government agencies, and almost all solutions to men's issues involve reducing state power and control. Conservatives, republicans, and libertarians have ignored men's issues at their peril.
They have.
Its a matter of life and death. Do not get involved with liberal women of any kind. They will ruin your life
Bingo! And none other than even flaming liberal Daniel Moynihan said so in his '60s Moynihan Report.
The black family was decimated back then, thanks to LBJ's policies which disincentivized intact families. What you have today, is a preponderance of "single moms" [insert obligatory applause here], even among WHITES--replicating the family status of yesterday's "juvenile delinquents," with the same results: poverty, lack of education and lack of SUPPORT of education, and crime.
Yes, (cover your ears, skeptics), it's FATHERS who civilize children, and we're reaping what's been sewn by their absence in the family unit, and society now pooh-poohing their influence.
There are many disadvantages to the destruction of the family unit, but illegitimacy [gasp!] remains the SUREST route to poverty in America. Believe it.
True.
Yep. Kill God and the Family then Kill America. That is the goal. In that order
And the welfare state and divorce laws that favor women are the root of America's rapid growth of broken families, but noone wants to talk about that.
And it was women who primarily voted for the welfare state and divorce laws that favor women, but noone wants to talk about that.
GTFO with your sexist facts you bigot
We have many immigrants come here - even illegally that know the importance of a strong family unit. That’s why even poor neighborhoods aren’t shitholes for many.
This seems to get lost on the black community though and people need to stop making excuses for it. Yet we keep giving them welfare so the cycle never stops. Defundtheblackcommunity
Perpetuating the welfare state. The only way to stop this is to remove the economic incentive for it.
What really sucks is that a lot of the money we pour into the system don't even go to the kids. The "parent" will buy stuff with EBT and sell it for cash at pennies on the dollar, and then spend that on vice.
Yep
Dive a little deeper: what is the cause of absent fathers and broken families?
We are fundamentally born as stupid helpless beings, with zero intelligence and capabilities. You stay that way if you are not raised properly. Responsibility, reflection, morals, ethics, beliefs, and many more fundamental things that make us human are not being taught anymore.
The Family unit is the bedrock of society.
Yes. It is.
Leftists created a way to pay fathers to leave the family and then pay the single mother to create as many fatherless children as possible.
I hope in 100 years people look back at that in utter disbelief and then shudder when they find out we really did that around the turn of the last century (but hopefully not much longer).
If you ever want some great stuff on this - Thomas Sowell is all over Youtube and holy shit does he ever call this out. the man is a freak with numbers, dates and citations too.
Yep
Fathers are needed. At some point in a child’s life the mother is not needed anymore in a since. The father can only teach a man how to be a man. You don’t want your son to grow up soft.
Exactly!!
I realize that this problem is not caused by the color of the parent's skin, but regardless, I would still like to see the active statistics. (from a reliable source)
My daughter has a loving father.
That is the most important thing we can EVER do for our daughters !!!
As your username illustrates :)
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Yep. And thanks
How lucky she is! Mine has one as well. Spent this weekend letting her play in the wading pool, having a cookout and teaching her about the flag and her country.
Mine is a 26 year old California Liberal, Bernie Supporter, but I still love and cherish her dearly! :/
Was she the one chanting "please don't make me vote for Joe Biden!" On tiktok
Exactly
I keep hearing feminists complain about the patriarchy. Bitch, y’all already killed the patriarchy. Now you’re just trying to burn the corpse.
True dat !! Leftist wanna burn everything down and create a “Utopia”
A good father can put you on the path to success at an early age and provide guidance when you need it!
Exactly!!!
You take God and church out of the picture and wonder why the family falls apart. This is the root of the problem. Obviously this can be said about most things going on in today's society. This country needs to find it's way back to God.
The weirdest thing I find about fatherless families. the children in those families know how much they miss and need a father.
and yet the boys grow up and knock up girls and take off. And girls allow it to happen.
They both know it's wrong and terrible but they can't bring themselves to stop it.
So many fiascos come out of fatherless homes.
Young women prefer a fwb with Chad and Tyrone over any sort of serious relationship these days, and they happen to quite often get fucked raw and then get pregnant, which often leads to either abortion or fatherless children bound to become the crazy deranged leftists of the future. What can we do about it? Nothing, it's the cycle of life on this fucked up 21st century.
Well you can opt out of fucking these women if you choose.
Traditional values simply work. Not so sure about other ideas.
Yep and the leftist want to destroy them just because of that
I would also say love of God and strict adherence to his commandments and teachings are important as well.
Yep. I agree
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You need both parents. If not biologically, the child suffers from mental health issues.
Yep.
You hit the pin on the donkey.
Thanks. One Pin One Tail!!!
Two genders Two scoops Two terms
now inbreeding in the inner cities is on the rise
Thinking about this fact made me realize monogamy leads to increased biodiversity in humans. Think about it!
Lol. Only in certain groups. The Royal Families of Europe! And certain demographic groups in America.
I said "ON THE RISE" and it is...the groups you mentioned already have this issue and its not ON THE RISE