Okay it's a clickbait title but now that I have your attention I have a good point:
Guns are weird. They're so powerful that most people are understandably terrified to use them, so they rarely get used. If you do use them you are virtually guaranteed to have your life turned upside down by a MSM harassment campaign and you face a real risk of going to prison for a long time or being bankrupted through lawfare (even if you did nothing wrong because the courts are corrupt).
The marxist enemy is keenly aware of this and that's why, as strange as this sounds, they aren't particularly scared of your guns. It's why they're so bold in the face of armed political opponents. In fact they want you to shoot a couple of them (or run them over) to give them super valuable propaganda ammo. They want to demonize your movement, justify further removal of your rights and try to sway undecided people towards the left by portraying you as monsters and murderers, while they are "heroic protesters".
Don't get me wrong, guns and the 2A are extremely important and you should own guns and be well trained with them. But they're a nuclear option.
I see a lot of fantasizing and delusional comments on here about how you would use your 2A and gun down violent threats "in the right situation". Even though that situation almost never happens. It becomes this sad joke where boomers continue to age and talk about how one day they will use their guns. Meanwhile the left continues to destroy society and poison culture in ways that cannot be strategically countered using guns. By the time the scenario comes where you actually get to use your guns, there might be nothing left worth defending.
The worst cope of all is conservatives who think they don't have to do anything more because they own guns, they can even be out of shape blobs who just sit at home with muh guns ready for the civil war (which may never happen, who knows). And if it does happen, allowing the marxists to control every bit of society beyond your front door will guarantee them huge amounts of reinforcements that you could have denied them by getting involved before that point and preventing your culture from being taken over.
We need an unarmed force response. A perfect example would be the Italians defending the Columbus statue in Philadelphia. They didn't bring guns. Just a bunch of big tough guys who aren't afraid of a brawl. Now they have a bunch of advantages:
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They run much lower legal risks. If some leftist gets in their face and they push them back or start throwing punches, their legal risks and risks of losing their job etc. are trivial compared to firing live rounds.
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Due to the lower risks, it's easier to convince people to show up - therefore they can muster larger numbers on the ground.
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It's quicker and more convenient than organizing some sort of armed presence. You just show up. You don't need a bunch of equipment with you.
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The media cannot portray them as some kind of armed militia terrorist group, and feds can't classify and harass them along those lines either. It denies the enemy propaganda ammo.
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They have more than enough unarmed force to counter scrawny pathetic soy boys.
TLDR: Be a law abiding gun owner ready for the worst case scenario but be fit and use unarmed force where legally appropriate to defend statues and deny the marxist enemy physical control of the public square (while minimizing your own personal risks, legal and otherwise).
Okay it's a clickbait title but now that I have your attention I have a good point:
Guns are weird. They're so powerful that most people are understandably terrified to use them, so they rarely get used. If you do use them you are virtually guaranteed to have your life turned upside down by a MSM harassment campaign and you face a real risk of going to prison for a long time or being bankrupted through lawfare (even if you did nothing wrong because the courts are corrupt).
The marxist enemy is keenly aware of this and that's why, as strange as this sounds, they aren't particularly scared of your guns. It's why they're so bold in the face of armed political opponents. In fact they want you to shoot a couple of them (or run them over) to give them super valuable propaganda ammo. They want to demonize your movement, justify further removal of your rights and try to sway undecided people towards the left by portraying you as monsters and murderers, while they are "heroic protesters".
Don't get me wrong, guns and the 2A are extremely important and you should own guns and be well trained with them. But they're a nuclear option.
I see a lot of fantasizing and delusional comments on here about how you would use your 2A and gun down violent threats "in the right situation". Even though that situation almost never happens. It becomes this sad joke where boomers continue to age and talk about how one day they will use their guns. Meanwhile the left continues to destroy society and poison culture in ways that cannot be strategically countered using guns. By the time the scenario comes where you actually get to use your guns, there might be *nothing left worth defending*.
The worst cope of all is conservatives who think they don't have to do anything more because they own guns, they can even be out of shape blobs who just sit at home with muh guns ready for the civil war (which may never happen, who knows). And if it does happen, allowing the marxists to control every bit of society beyond your front door will guarantee them huge amounts of reinforcements that you could have denied them by getting involved before that point and preventing your culture from being taken over.
**We need an unarmed force response.** A perfect example would be the [Italians defending the Columbus statue in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUfVZpXrcGw). They didn't bring guns. Just a bunch of big tough guys who aren't afraid of a brawl. Now they have a bunch of advantages:
1. They run much lower legal risks. If some leftist gets in their face and they push them back or start throwing punches, their legal risks and risks of losing their job etc. are trivial compared to firing live rounds.
2. Due to the lower risks, it's easier to convince people to show up - therefore they can muster larger numbers on the ground.
3. It's quicker and more convenient than organizing some sort of armed presence. You just show up. You don't need a bunch of equipment with you.
4. The media cannot portray them as some kind of armed militia terrorist group, and feds can't classify and harass them along those lines either. It denies the enemy propaganda ammo.
5. They have more than enough unarmed force to counter scrawny pathetic soy boys.
TLDR: Be a law abiding gun owner ready for the worst case scenario but be fit and use unarmed force where legally appropriate to defend statues and deny the marxist enemy physical control of the public square (while minimizing your own personal risks, legal and otherwise).
I'm in Texas. Guns are part of my religion.
This is The Way
And how many violent leftists would you be willing to shoot vs. how many would you be willing to physically block with your body, push back or possibly punch in self defense?
Which course of action has the lower barrier to entry in terms of people willing to take personal risks?
I'm not him but I say the correct question is how many violent leftists are willing to risk getting shot?
Clearly shitloads. They're running rampant over the country. The list of statues they've destroyed and the amount of property that they've looted and burned is downright depressing.
Large armed right wing groups don't show up to defend anything in the public square because of precisely the reasons I explained in the OP and I don't blame them. Therefore the leftists are correctly calling our bluff and showing up to cause mayhem.
As paradoxical as it sounds, leftists may fear fists more than guns in the public square - because the fists really will come out, whereas a lot of the gun talk is hot air online.
Now if leftists were trying to pillage rural areas and break into homes that would be a completely different story, then they'd be getting gunned down like dogs. That's precisely why they aren't attempting that - but they don't have to. They can gain a shitload of power by controlling everything beyond our front doors.
all of them
Talk is cheap. With all due respect, you're not about to shoot all violent leftists and you've probably never shot anybody before. Because you probably have a life and a job and relationships you don't want to lose, and I don't blame you.
But if a historical monument was threatened by leftists and you and a bunch of other patriots physically surrounded it, I bet you would be willing to kick some ass once they tried to push through your lines.
Am I wrong?
you seem to like the sound of your keyboard as much as I like the sound of sending bullets down range
You're proving my point. You're shooting at paper targets. Meanwhile violent leftists are controlling the public square, destroying monuments, rewriting history and running rampant while you practice on pretend targets.
Just admit that you have a life worth keeping and you don't want to ruin it by actually using your gun outside of your property. That's not cowardice, it's intelligence. Then realize that in order to stop the left you're going to have to do more than just own and practice with guns which you can practically never use except for home defense.
You can't solve every problem with a gun. The drag queen story hour pedophiles don't give a fuck about your guns because you won't (and shouldn't) use your guns to stop them, without ruining your life. Crashing their events unarmed however is a much more plausible and realistic scenario. The preachers who go in and shout over them and ruin the events are doing a thousand times more for the culture war.
Your solution is to go unarmed, outside of our property?
Yes people do it all the time. You can see a good example of it working in Philadelphia with the Columbus statue being protected that I linked in the OP.
What is your solution?
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Leftists continue to destroy the country and rewrite history and you continue to masturbate with your guns at the range poking holes into pieces of paper, because you refuse to put the gun down and show up to push back against the left in an unarmed peaceful and legal manner. I'm tired of useless LARPers like you. Karens who crash drag queen story hour by screaming are doing more than you. This is why conservatives have been losing the culture war for so long.YOU WON'T FIGHT ON CULTURAL TERMS. YOU DON'T EVEN SHOW UP. YOU DO FUCKING NOTHING.
I couldn't make it very far into this before I lost count of how many ridiculous things I was reading....
I'm not trolling, I meant everything I wrote. I'm trying to give constructive feedback to what I see as an ineffective strategy and mindset.
Please tell me what doesn't make sense here. Do you think there's a better way to defend public historical monuments and have a physical presence in public as conservatives despite leftist threats? I want to hear it.
I didn't say you were trolling and it's completely fine that we have things we disagree on... In fact it's absolutely necessary in a country like this. That's the entire problem with the left is that they refuse to let anyone, even their own people, disagree on anything anymore.
It's the most natural thing in the world for us to disagree on certain things and agree on others!
Well I'm disappointed that people are simply downvoting instead of constructively debating (not saying it was you), because the point of this debate is to arrive at the most effective tactics that we can use to save the country from the left - which I think we can all agree is a worthwhile thing to figure out.
I really want to know, if my suggestions for tactics are flawed, then what would work better?
Do you think allowing the left to physically control the public square and everything beyond our front doors is okay, as long as we can use our guns to defend our homes?
If using unarmed force to protect monuments is not the best course of action, why and what would work better?
There's no point in debating you bro. You've made up your mind that you are correct. And you have your strawmen already assembled to fight with.
You are not correct. You are very wrong. The problem is you are addressing the wrong issue.
You just set up a strawman while accusing other people of having strawmen lmao.
And once again, you've failed to explain what course of action is more effective. Clearly sitting at home and fantasizing about but not using guns while the left destroys the culture and conquers the country is not good. So what do you suggest?
Yet you couldn't provide a rebuttal to anything.
Meh, I’ll stick with the option of lethal force when necessary and let the chips fall where they may.
Your thing about the Italians is duly noted.
Using a firearm is a martial art. Be fit regardless. But yeah shooting someone for taking down a statue will surely get you prison time regardless of political climate. I don't know anyone who is recommending that. There are others ways to handle THAT situation and similar ones.
You say this as if the gun is mechanically bolted or fused to your arm. You know you can strategically choose when to bring your gun with you and when to leave it securely at home?
Well then I guess you can never leave your home for any political event, because you can't leave your home without your firearm (in case you need it) but you can't bring it with you because the legal risks are too high.
This is a paralyzing catch 22 that effectively self-removes your right to protest and assemble in public as a conservative.
Do you see what I mean?
I think you underestimate how many conservatives are staying at home and letting the marxists conduct a full scale cultural revolution because conservatives know how high the legal risks are for using a firearm or simply just having one on their person.
I'm trying to come up with ways to counter that marxist revolution without destroying the lives of those resisting it. Because who the hell is going to participate in something that will easily land them in prison and end their careers and relationships?
I agree with everything you said but we're not at that point yet and nobody actually knows with certainty how long it will take to reach it. But for the sake of argument let's say that shit eventually does hit the fan and an armed uprising does try to take back the country.
What do we do in the meantime between now and then? Sit at home and wait while the left controls every institution and public area and the whole culture? Do you realize how many reinforcements they'll be able to brainwash to their side by doing that for when shit hits the fan?
I think pushing back against their control of public areas and culture - which doesn't involve the use of guns - is vitally important for if / when the guns do come out. Do you want to face a marxist force of a hundred thousand whose recruitment efforts we thwarted, or just wait and face millions?
go fuck yourself hippie!
Lol I'm telling people to legally stockpile guns at home, shoot to kill violent intruders on their property and physically defend historical and cultural monuments using violent unarmed force: blocking, body checking and KOing leftists with strong right hooks (in self defense). You call that being a hippie?
NOBODY is going to show up to a leftist riot where they're trying to remove a statue, or some pedo drag queen story hour at a public library or school, and start shooting. Nobody is going to do it. Because they have lives and jobs and they don't want to lose them and go to prison - and I agree with them. But staying at home and letting the left run rampant until you get to use your guns is not a winning strategy. Do you disagree?
I don't care. It's really that simple. My caring stops at the border of my neighbors property.
If they want to throw a tantrum and tear down statues and burn buildings of capitalistic companies that didn't give a fuck about me a few months ago,
I DO NOT CARE
Let the run amok. How is it hurting me? How is it hurting anything besides the local government? That is why we have a govt, and services. To stop this type of thing. Obviously they don't care either. Why should I deprive myself of freedom for some statues?
Just BEING THERE isn't going to stop them, that's a damn good way to get a nail embedded bat stuck in your head. Just because people show up, doesn't mean they know how to fight anymore than they know how to shoot.
And now, I can't even protect myself when wanna-be-Steven-Segal ends up having a glass chin.
So when should the shooting start agent?
I'm telling you NOT to shoot people. I'm saying to show up and protect important public monuments and conservative events without guns. Can you read?
you must be Bruce Lee right? I definitely couldn't fight off a horde rioters. Ill definitely look forward to seeing you on the news doing so.
Ever heard of bringing a large enough group of people with you? Does this really need to be explained?
Or just a few people and guns
nobody's doing that and you won't do it either so stop talking out of your ass and start being realistic and practical
Except nobody's doing that and they probably never will because of the risk of being legally railroaded. See my point now?
Better to defend monuments unarmed with enough people than to sit at home and fantasize about using your guns but never leave your house.
OP is a massive faggot because either
A: Looking at his argumentative strategy he is clearly a reddit faggot
B: Has never comitted an actually pertinent act of physical violence in their life and doesnt realize that acts like that should only be undertaken if meant to inflict serious harm or death and you will go to fucking prison over it
Physically preventing leftists from destroying public property, or accessing some venue where they plan to groom kids with drag queen stories or whatever, can be as simple as forming a human wall. If they get too close you shove them back.
You're fucking retarded and have no concept of the law or a tactically intelligent and appropriate use of force if you think every interaction must be extreme and carry massive legal risks for you. You sound like a 14 year old edgelord.
In the real world you best not lay a hand on someone else unless you are willing to spend at least 10k for an adequate legal defense.
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since youre projecting I also recommend we dine alfresco so the wind can run its fingers through my hair while i listen to your bullshit
Well you tell me, how much more money do you need for an adequate legal defense to shoot someone in self defense as opposed to shoving or hitting them?
this is a quintessential example of how stupid and or immature you are. ONE punch is enough to kill, the real world isnt what you see on tv shows, movies, or video games. Being how these altercations are taking place in areas run by corrupt democrats one punch, or one shove let alone gunning someone down is enough to ruin your life.
If you have to ask me how much it costs to pay for good legal rep you havent lived enough friend.
Your inability to differentiate between shooting live rounds at people in public and simply shoving an aggressor while unarmed is retarded. They are not legally equivalent, they are not morally equivalent, they are not equivalent in terms of how they can be spun or used by fake MSM propaganda. Especially when it's two large groups of people and the shoving and physical contact is widespread. I'm not talking about one person going up and assaulting someone out of the blue, I'm talking about a large human wall preventing a leftist mob from destroying a monument, like they did in Philadelphia with great results.
You're just concern trolling at this point, either intentionally or unintentionally.
you have absolutely no idea how weaponized the legal system is.
but you also seem like a reddit fag, so........ makes sense
So what are you saying? The legal system is so corrupt that we should all stay at home and do nothing, or the legal system is so corrupt that we should all become mass shooting terrorists because the legal consequences will be the same as just pushing someone in self defense so why not?
Because both of those messages glow and reek of demoralization and promote enemy objectives.
They are when that pussy trips backward, hits his head, and dies in the hospital...
MURDER IS FUCKING MURDER.
And how many times does that happen for every unarmed physical conflict? The risk is there but it's very small. Might as well not go because you could get hit by a car or lightning.
What is the bigger risk overall: discharging your firearm in public, or shoving a violent aggressor backwards?
One person falls and hits their head on pavement after being hit in the face, and you are still charged with murder.
Not really. Now you'll just have meatheads that show up. And there's a lot more people that think they can fight and can't, than those that think they can shoot, and can't.
Exactly the SAME amount of time. I don't leave my house without a gun. It's a non issue. Put on my holster, put my gun in it. If I'm taking a rifle, it's even easier. Sling it around my neck.
Who gives a fuck what the media portrays them as? The media is not on our side and will lie to suit their needs.
Sounds like a good way to get shot by someone that was smart enough to bring a gun. Best case scenario, knocked over the head with a club.
Agreed but how likely is that to happen vs the risk of shooting your gun in public which carries a certainty of legal hell?
And you think the scrawny leftist losers are all expert martial artists? lmao
Cancel culture. It's raging right now. MSM coordinates a harassment campaign against your life and destroys it. Your employer buckles under the pressure and fires you, your friends distance themselves, etc. Have you been paying attention to what's going on recently?
By showing up without a gun, you're trading away legal risk for physical risk. The left would be committing political suicide by shooting and killing unarmed people. If you're itching for some kind of shit-hits-the-fan civil war scenario, this would be one of the fastest ways to achieve it. Though I don't wish for it, I wish for people to be able to stop the left's militant advance in public without being legally crucified for it.
FYI lots of conservatives have showed up to public events without guns and not died.