Source: I used to work with Chinese kids and a big part of it was taking them on tours of ivy league schools. I was already red pilled, but this woke me up to how evil China really is.
Complete decoupling from China means no more Chinese nationals. These people come to the west, then go back to China immediately after graduating. They are just here to take advantage of the lenient system. There should be a work term requirement attached to international student visas.
Why? Have them come and pay to go to school, then go home and not dilute the job market for our people. It's a good system if you ask me, and even better if they cheat and can't deliver after they go back home.
The Chinese government uses their students paying exhorbitant tuitions to attend American universities as leverage to censor academic freedom and furthe the goals of the communist chinese party. Additionally, graduate students in valuable fields are used a spies to perform industrial espionage. Not a joke.
Not a joke. For real. They also use the Confucious Institutes for the same purpose.
The communist party uses its people however it can to further its own power. If you think a student abroad can just say "no" to the party - they make their phone calls and emails through your own relatives, who let you know they have an officer from the police or the party right there at the dinner table with them to do what the man wants or we are going to all be in trouble.
It is a Wokesters dream to do this shit to us. That totalitarian dream is a reality in China.
It takes away spots from US students and in many cases, their tuition fees are a big portion of the university's revenue, driving up the costs for everyone else. Without them, post secondary education can be more accessible.
This really isn't true. As you say, almost all international students pay full price to attend US institutions. That means that universities have more money. A LOT of that money goes to subsidizing domestic students.
Are there probably a few students who don't get in because of increased competition from abroad? Maybe a few, but the real story is that universities have a lot more seats to offer and resources to discount tuition.
It's true that they won't spontaneously combust or anything, but like any massive organization that's grown too cumbersome while simultaneously making bad decisions, they are now in decline. GE is an example of this. The company isn't going anywhere, but it will never be what it was because it's leadership made too many poor choices and their employees aren't the same bunch of talented and dedicated people they used to be, just like Harvard's students aren't who they used to be either. If that idiot whiner Hogg can get into Harvard, what's the point of Harvard? This is just icing on the cake of their slow but steady fall from grace.
Problem is the whole ideology of too big to fail seems to have infiltrated the west on a whole, as with an irrational fear of trying and failing in general, the moment a corporation or other entity starts to go under you have someone in government stepping in to stick a pole up its arse, hook its heart up to an old battery and keep it going. As long as Trump is in I'm not so worried though.
I guess at least in Harvard's case they only really provide an education and since the pretence of doing that with any earnesty has grown thin employers will stop looking to them for grads, so it won't matter if they're still around by then, the damage will be done. It's gonna be funny when they sink to the level of community college as far as reputation goes.
Yup, this is exactly it and the only benefit. I work and go to grad school at a less prestigious ivy, and the benefit is solely in its name and networking (and there are more resources but it’s not a huge difference from a solid public/state college).
The education is no better than what I got as an undergrad at a state university, but just the name being on my resume has opened doors; I get call backs for jobs I’d otherwise never have, and get opportunities to meet people and network with those I’d otherwise never have — things of that nature. There’s even some cool, but less significant benefits, like being able to email a well-known person and get a response back, just because of the word before “.edu.”
I’m no elite, so I don’t reap a lot of the same networking benefits as others here, but it’s still a big benefit (and admittedly a shitty scenario and massive scam, but still worth it if getting full or close to full scholarship/F.A.)
J.s it’s easy to spoof an email address. Also saying that it’s highly illegal and punishable by years in federal prison, so don’t do it. But if you really wanted someone famous to notice you, you can probably trick them into thinking you are [email protected]
Not a fair comparison as the you can measure the quality of the product such as a Ferrari or Rolex based on the engineering, materials, how it compares, etc.m
Just because you go to Harvard doesn't mean your brain performs like a Ferrari.
I would imagine they will introduce small class tutorial sessions with a TA, then it would be a full reversal.
Knowing the way people post here, I bet it already is like that and the first headline is wrong.
Ooh I was kind of right
University officials decided to allow only 40 per cent of undergraduates on campus in an effort to reduce density and prevent the spread of COVID-19. All freshmen will be invited, along with some other students who face challenges learning from afar.
All first years are going to be able to take classes in person. The effects of this for undergraduates are minor. For graduate schools, nearly all of which were planning to be 100% online, this is much, much bigger.
I disagree. My son s a college student. Last spring they went online and it was not nearly as good as face to face instruction. To pay college tuition and receive only online instruction is not worth it. It is a complete rip off and schools know it.
Sorry--should have clarified. I mean the effects for undergraduate international students of this decision is minor. Yes, for everyone remote learnings sucks...
Holy cow! 21% of Harvard's students are foreign? That seems really high to me. They couldn't find any qualified American students to attend their school?
Yup. My (not Harvard) Ivy (grad school at least, I’d imagine same for undergrad) is at least 21% international, likely more, and they’re all either incredibly wealthy European or middle eastern kids (like, top 1% in their country), or they’re Chinese nationalists here on their commie governments dime and constantly talking about how great ccp and China is. And there’s definitely more chinese students than any other intl demographic. It’s ridiculous and it’s gotta stop
I dunno man. I, like most PhD students at ivies, am on a full ride. The master's programs are cash cows for the universities that allow that to happen, and a lot of low-income Americans to go to school for free. Americans never can never not afford to go to an ivy if they get in... So I understand the espionage risks, especially of PRC students, but the economics of it seem to mostly benefit American students...
Sure. I don't see where your comment/response doesn't align with what I stated in my comment, though (unless I'm misunderstanding)? I was responding to a comment that stated how international students pay more; and then agreed, noting how all the international students at my school -- for that reason -- are either super-wealthy, or having their tuition funded (in large part, or fully) by their government
But my point is that international students, on the whole, are a net benefit to Americans and help subsidize the education of many an American that could not afford one otherwise. I'm all for cracking down on PRC BS (though I love the Chinese kids that use their time in the US to actually get educated about their home country...), but I'm nervous about the implications that this has for international students more generally, which I see as a positive US export--"45.3 billion in education exports, which supported over 455,000 U.S. jobs." https://www.trade.gov/education-service-exports
Yeah, I should have clarified -- I'm not saying international students needs to end, but there is a serious issue with the international students from China. Not all, for sure, but at least in my experience/at my school, it's a significant problem (in a number of ways)
the point of these schools, and in fact a large number of schools, isn't the quality of the degree. It's the quality of the name on the degree and the quality of the networking taking place at the college. That's why there's so many people hired in government from the same schools. They all know a guy who knows a guy.
Good luck forming those same level of insider clubs when no one can meet face to face.
^^This. Former family member graduated from Haaaaavvvvaaard. Made one deal and retired with a boat load. And they're not very bright in the first place. It's all about connections.
USC is currently trying to loophole this by making joke classes for visa students to go to once a week... had a curriculum meeting about it last week. First time I’ve seen a study hall as a college course.
Oh and it counts for curriculum credit and exempts them from taking other required courses in the program... this school is a joke and I can’t wait to be gone from it.
There are unbelievable amounts of bullshit masters degrees that are exclusively marketed to foreign students. You will see entire masters programs where the entire class is foreign. Students view these programs as their ticket to a H1B. Universities view the students as an ATM. As someone hiring, one of these masters degrees is like a felony listed on your resume. I actually feel bad for any American students who get caught up in this credentialing scam. They literally incinerated their cash and made their resume less attractive.
I did get one American born Asian who completed one of these bullshit degrees at the behest of their parents wishes and on their federal contractors dime. The contractor could charge more for a masters degree employee and paid for the program. They said they barely put any effort in while doing a full time remote degree and still working full time at the contractor.
It is. Not quite as low as the Vineyard towns, but all about that big money balance. Then you've got places like Ware and Springfield with some of the highest.
They might transfer to a less prestigious college with in-person lectures, but it's certainly going to make other universities think twice about not reopening. Wouldn't be surprised if Harvard changes their mind in a few weeks if they don't get some bitch ass judge to do an injunction first.
This is big if it actually happens. A lot of prestigious universities rely on those sweet, sweet out-of-state tuition dollars from international students. A lot of universities have satellite offices in China and recruit students directly from there.
Tuition from international students funds SO MUCH of the of the insanity and bloat in higher education. Universities are missing out on sports revenue due to COVID, they're losing a lot of international tuition, and they'll be facing increasing calls from their domestic students to cut tuition rates. I can't wait!
Not really how it works. More rich-ass Chinese kids paying $45,000/year to go to school in the US = more money for poor American kids to go to college.
If a Harvard Home Schooled "color student" does not pass a test as required, the offending instructor may therefore be considered a Racist Russian Bot and be subject to the withholding of future financial, vaccinational or nutritional endorsements.
You would think he would be happy for these international students. If America is such an evil place, why is it a tragedy for people to be departing the US for their home countries?
This is hardball politics and how you beat the democrats - find their weak spots. The NFL - eliminate their tax exempt status. The democrats have at least one weakness for every issue.
GEOTUS does it again!!! He wants schools back in session in the fall, WITH people attending in person, so for colleges, he uses ICE to kick every foreigner attending school here OUT if they don't find classes they can attend in-person. He understands that classes will be limited and actually puts the pressure on the schools themselves to restart in-person sessions, and if they don't, they'll risk losing out on foreign revenue and a potential PR nightmare. Once Universities bulk, he effectively eliminates any leverage K-12 might wield; it's a win-win for our "Art of the Deal" President!
So there is limited on campus housing available, I absolutely believe that part. But keep in mind there is no limit to off campus housing except perhaps the length of the commute the student is willing to perform each day they have classes. The real limit at Harvard will be how many physical classrooms will be holding classes and the capacity of those classrooms. If Harvard is completely buying into the hysteria despite the ever shrinking number of CV19 deaths then they will absolutely lose a bunch of foreign students this year.
Someone's gotta teach all those Chinese kids so they can get high-paying jobs and spy for the communists, right?
Sad, but true.
Very sad, but very true.
Source: I used to work with Chinese kids and a big part of it was taking them on tours of ivy league schools. I was already red pilled, but this woke me up to how evil China really is.
Exactly, they come to our universities, learn, and go back to their country and use our education against us!
https://youtu.be/A8MO7fkZc5o
That is what I was thinking of. 🐸👌
Complete decoupling from China means no more Chinese nationals. These people come to the west, then go back to China immediately after graduating. They are just here to take advantage of the lenient system. There should be a work term requirement attached to international student visas.
Why? Have them come and pay to go to school, then go home and not dilute the job market for our people. It's a good system if you ask me, and even better if they cheat and can't deliver after they go back home.
The Chinese government uses their students paying exhorbitant tuitions to attend American universities as leverage to censor academic freedom and furthe the goals of the communist chinese party. Additionally, graduate students in valuable fields are used a spies to perform industrial espionage. Not a joke.
Not a joke. For real. They also use the Confucious Institutes for the same purpose.
The communist party uses its people however it can to further its own power. If you think a student abroad can just say "no" to the party - they make their phone calls and emails through your own relatives, who let you know they have an officer from the police or the party right there at the dinner table with them to do what the man wants or we are going to all be in trouble.
It is a Wokesters dream to do this shit to us. That totalitarian dream is a reality in China.
It takes away spots from US students and in many cases, their tuition fees are a big portion of the university's revenue, driving up the costs for everyone else. Without them, post secondary education can be more accessible.
This really isn't true. As you say, almost all international students pay full price to attend US institutions. That means that universities have more money. A LOT of that money goes to subsidizing domestic students.
Are there probably a few students who don't get in because of increased competition from abroad? Maybe a few, but the real story is that universities have a lot more seats to offer and resources to discount tuition.
They're not spying bigot, they're just naval enthusiasts with a penchant for photographing American submarine propellers.
And with that, all of Harvard's prestige was gone. They reduced themselves to an online university to virtue signal and push for communism.
Fuck em, let em fail.
They aren’t failing anytime soon. They have a $40B endowment.
$40B endowment, you say?
.
"Executive Order Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption" https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/
Holy shit.
They’re getting boxed in.
It's true that they won't spontaneously combust or anything, but like any massive organization that's grown too cumbersome while simultaneously making bad decisions, they are now in decline. GE is an example of this. The company isn't going anywhere, but it will never be what it was because it's leadership made too many poor choices and their employees aren't the same bunch of talented and dedicated people they used to be, just like Harvard's students aren't who they used to be either. If that idiot whiner Hogg can get into Harvard, what's the point of Harvard? This is just icing on the cake of their slow but steady fall from grace.
Well said! Very true.
Problem is the whole ideology of too big to fail seems to have infiltrated the west on a whole, as with an irrational fear of trying and failing in general, the moment a corporation or other entity starts to go under you have someone in government stepping in to stick a pole up its arse, hook its heart up to an old battery and keep it going. As long as Trump is in I'm not so worried though.
I guess at least in Harvard's case they only really provide an education and since the pretence of doing that with any earnesty has grown thin employers will stop looking to them for grads, so it won't matter if they're still around by then, the damage will be done. It's gonna be funny when they sink to the level of community college as far as reputation goes.
harvard provides a brand, not an education as the primary product.
They're intrinsically intertwined, without providing a good education the brand name suffers.
Yeah but Harvard (along with many other Ivy League schools) is a meet and greet for the nations elite.
It will always hold prestige for this reason alone.
Yup, this is exactly it and the only benefit. I work and go to grad school at a less prestigious ivy, and the benefit is solely in its name and networking (and there are more resources but it’s not a huge difference from a solid public/state college).
The education is no better than what I got as an undergrad at a state university, but just the name being on my resume has opened doors; I get call backs for jobs I’d otherwise never have, and get opportunities to meet people and network with those I’d otherwise never have — things of that nature. There’s even some cool, but less significant benefits, like being able to email a well-known person and get a response back, just because of the word before “.edu.”
I’m no elite, so I don’t reap a lot of the same networking benefits as others here, but it’s still a big benefit (and admittedly a shitty scenario and massive scam, but still worth it if getting full or close to full scholarship/F.A.)
J.s it’s easy to spoof an email address. Also saying that it’s highly illegal and punishable by years in federal prison, so don’t do it. But if you really wanted someone famous to notice you, you can probably trick them into thinking you are [email protected]
Eeeeeeh I don't know about that
I'm sure you can summon some arguments but Harvard is to education what Ferrari is to cars, Louis Vuitton is to fashion, Rolex is to watches, etc.
Not a fair comparison as the you can measure the quality of the product such as a Ferrari or Rolex based on the engineering, materials, how it compares, etc.m
Just because you go to Harvard doesn't mean your brain performs like a Ferrari.
We're talking about brands
Yeah and some have perceived quality while others are quantifiable
They deserve it
Harvard will soon announce foreign students can attend classes in person, Americans stay home online.
Honestly? I wouldn't be surprised if this happened.
It's exactly what these retarded leftists are going to do. It's all political games.
I would imagine they will introduce small class tutorial sessions with a TA, then it would be a full reversal.
Knowing the way people post here, I bet it already is like that and the first headline is wrong.
Ooh I was kind of right
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/harvard-school-year-coronavirus-1.5639034
They already have.
A percentage will still be allowed to attend in person. And fuck every American that needs in person, because it will be given to a foreigner.
Let's be honest, they'll figure out a loophole. To the left laws are a minor inconvenience meant to weigh down everyone but them.
Sad isn't it?
https://youtu.be/A8MO7fkZc5o
Apparently if they’re taking English classes they can stay
If true that's the loophole
It's the opposite.
The classes themselves have to be in person though. Being on campus isn't enough.
Hmmm, I wonder which students will get first dibs on those dorms...
Freshman
They were probably worried many would just take a gap year and defer admission.
All first years are going to be able to take classes in person. The effects of this for undergraduates are minor. For graduate schools, nearly all of which were planning to be 100% online, this is much, much bigger.
I disagree. My son s a college student. Last spring they went online and it was not nearly as good as face to face instruction. To pay college tuition and receive only online instruction is not worth it. It is a complete rip off and schools know it.
Sorry--should have clarified. I mean the effects for undergraduate international students of this decision is minor. Yes, for everyone remote learnings sucks...
Got it! :)
This is karma for giving a free ride to that Parkland gun control asshole Hogg.
CIA privilege.
Holy cow! 21% of Harvard's students are foreign? That seems really high to me. They couldn't find any qualified American students to attend their school?
International students pay much higher fees.
Yup. My (not Harvard) Ivy (grad school at least, I’d imagine same for undergrad) is at least 21% international, likely more, and they’re all either incredibly wealthy European or middle eastern kids (like, top 1% in their country), or they’re Chinese nationalists here on their commie governments dime and constantly talking about how great ccp and China is. And there’s definitely more chinese students than any other intl demographic. It’s ridiculous and it’s gotta stop
I dunno man. I, like most PhD students at ivies, am on a full ride. The master's programs are cash cows for the universities that allow that to happen, and a lot of low-income Americans to go to school for free. Americans never can never not afford to go to an ivy if they get in... So I understand the espionage risks, especially of PRC students, but the economics of it seem to mostly benefit American students...
Sure. I don't see where your comment/response doesn't align with what I stated in my comment, though (unless I'm misunderstanding)? I was responding to a comment that stated how international students pay more; and then agreed, noting how all the international students at my school -- for that reason -- are either super-wealthy, or having their tuition funded (in large part, or fully) by their government
Maybe I misunderstood this:
"It’s ridiculous and it’s gotta stop"
But my point is that international students, on the whole, are a net benefit to Americans and help subsidize the education of many an American that could not afford one otherwise. I'm all for cracking down on PRC BS (though I love the Chinese kids that use their time in the US to actually get educated about their home country...), but I'm nervous about the implications that this has for international students more generally, which I see as a positive US export--"45.3 billion in education exports, which supported over 455,000 U.S. jobs." https://www.trade.gov/education-service-exports
Yeah, I should have clarified -- I'm not saying international students needs to end, but there is a serious issue with the international students from China. Not all, for sure, but at least in my experience/at my school, it's a significant problem (in a number of ways)
It boils down to a free market, they are doing what you should do in a free market so I don't really have an issue with it.
Ah, that explains a lot.
Bye faggots!
Round em up boys. Out out out. Covid and such, go home, not safe for you here.
Will Harvard Online-Diplomas (HOD's) still be valid for standard employment?
I got a B.S. in Nuclear Physics from Har..... home school. :/
the point of these schools, and in fact a large number of schools, isn't the quality of the degree. It's the quality of the name on the degree and the quality of the networking taking place at the college. That's why there's so many people hired in government from the same schools. They all know a guy who knows a guy.
Good luck forming those same level of insider clubs when no one can meet face to face.
^^This. Former family member graduated from Haaaaavvvvaaard. Made one deal and retired with a boat load. And they're not very bright in the first place. It's all about connections.
All those kids of Chinese spies and party activists will need to go to other ivy league schools. What is this? A shell game?
USC is currently trying to loophole this by making joke classes for visa students to go to once a week... had a curriculum meeting about it last week. First time I’ve seen a study hall as a college course.
Oh and it counts for curriculum credit and exempts them from taking other required courses in the program... this school is a joke and I can’t wait to be gone from it.
Is this the same USC parents were paying big money to cheat their kids way in?
This may seem relevant - https://thedonald.win/p/FzYbCfH3/lol-usc-was-being-literally-run-/c/
And boom goes the dyno-mite. Actions have consequences.
There are unbelievable amounts of bullshit masters degrees that are exclusively marketed to foreign students. You will see entire masters programs where the entire class is foreign. Students view these programs as their ticket to a H1B. Universities view the students as an ATM. As someone hiring, one of these masters degrees is like a felony listed on your resume. I actually feel bad for any American students who get caught up in this credentialing scam. They literally incinerated their cash and made their resume less attractive.
I did get one American born Asian who completed one of these bullshit degrees at the behest of their parents wishes and on their federal contractors dime. The contractor could charge more for a masters degree employee and paid for the program. They said they barely put any effort in while doing a full time remote degree and still working full time at the contractor.
Let me guess, this is one example of those bullshit Master's degrees exclusively marketed to foreign (read: Asian) students.
Can housing become affordable now? Still doesn't change the fact that no one with a level head would live in Cambridge.
The funny thing is Cambridge actually has the lowest residential property tax rate of any city or town in Massachusetts.
It is. Not quite as low as the Vineyard towns, but all about that big money balance. Then you've got places like Ware and Springfield with some of the highest.
Longmeadow has the worst of both worlds — Big money + the highest residential property tax rate.
Perhaps. To keep those foreigners here paying full price, these schools might suddenly find Chinese Virus not such a big deal. We can hope.
They might transfer to a less prestigious college with in-person lectures, but it's certainly going to make other universities think twice about not reopening. Wouldn't be surprised if Harvard changes their mind in a few weeks if they don't get some bitch ass judge to do an injunction first.
This is big if it actually happens. A lot of prestigious universities rely on those sweet, sweet out-of-state tuition dollars from international students. A lot of universities have satellite offices in China and recruit students directly from there.
Tuition from international students funds SO MUCH of the of the insanity and bloat in higher education. Universities are missing out on sports revenue due to COVID, they're losing a lot of international tuition, and they'll be facing increasing calls from their domestic students to cut tuition rates. I can't wait!
Not really how it works. More rich-ass Chinese kids paying $45,000/year to go to school in the US = more money for poor American kids to go to college.
International students can do online classes from here on out. No reason to come to the USA.
most of their internationals are grad students who are more like employees. It won't affect nearly 21%.
Students do not want to pay thousands of dollars to sit on a laptop. Spring 2020 was bad enough...what a wasted semester...
Harvard Home School Rules No. 413:
If a Harvard Home Schooled "color student" does not pass a test as required, the offending instructor may therefore be considered a Racist Russian Bot and be subject to the withholding of future financial, vaccinational or nutritional endorsements.
Go home to mommy!!!
They better find Americans to replace them.
You would think he would be happy for these international students. If America is such an evil place, why is it a tragedy for people to be departing the US for their home countries?
I'm sure a federal court (maybe even SCOTUS, with "conservative" justices Gorsuch and Roberts!) will have this reversed by the end of the week!
This is hardball politics and how you beat the democrats - find their weak spots. The NFL - eliminate their tax exempt status. The democrats have at least one weakness for every issue.
harvard will start classes. this is the don's way of forcing them to open up. classes starting means that a lot of other things have to start as well.
The newest installment of Legally Blonde is somehow going to be even worse.
I fall in love with this admin more and more every day
I can’t get over a Dude with a hyphenated last name.
That is GREAT news!
There should be a cap on foreigners attending U.S. colleges and universities, like 10% or so.
GEOTUS does it again!!! He wants schools back in session in the fall, WITH people attending in person, so for colleges, he uses ICE to kick every foreigner attending school here OUT if they don't find classes they can attend in-person. He understands that classes will be limited and actually puts the pressure on the schools themselves to restart in-person sessions, and if they don't, they'll risk losing out on foreign revenue and a potential PR nightmare. Once Universities bulk, he effectively eliminates any leverage K-12 might wield; it's a win-win for our "Art of the Deal" President!
Every foreigner in an American university took a seat that could have been used to better an American’s life.
Can you imagine paying for fucking Harvard, and getting online classes?!
wow.
REEE TARDS.
How many people will leave Harvard voluntarily because of this. Surely some.
They could take a gap year...
Good. More spots open for Chinese-Americans who hold NO allegiance to the communist dictators that persecuted them or their ancestors.
Womp womp
So there is limited on campus housing available, I absolutely believe that part. But keep in mind there is no limit to off campus housing except perhaps the length of the commute the student is willing to perform each day they have classes. The real limit at Harvard will be how many physical classrooms will be holding classes and the capacity of those classrooms. If Harvard is completely buying into the hysteria despite the ever shrinking number of CV19 deaths then they will absolutely lose a bunch of foreign students this year.
B A S E D
All the other colleges and universities will follow
He broke them
University of Harvard Phoenix
The school systems are all gov controlled and garbage. Trade schools for the WIN.
Most people do not finish online school because it's so fucken boring.
F Harvard
Out
Aw, whatta shame....
Lmao I love it
Why would it be bad? If it’s all online they can access it online in their shithole country.
4D Chess!