we used raster line to do paralax scrolling and 8+ sprites. wish I could run the game.. lost the 5.5 inch floppies long ago... did you see the character set I redifined? counted the binary into decimal numbers and read them to my brother as he inputed the values. those were the days.. :)
Thanks for pointing that out..I was scratching my head why they said 6501.
Alas, I was a bit before the C64......my assembly teeth were cut on a 6502 on an Ohio Scientific Challenger.
I had an Amiga and a Megadrive with MegaCD. I wasn't spoiled, I just conned my parents that the Amiga was 'educational'.
To be fair all the hours I sunk into Civilization were quite educational. X-Com less so...
Funnily enough about 10 years ago I was in a pub and they had karaoke on. The guy hosting it was running it off an Amiga 600. I was fully nerding out over it.
No worries! You're good. It's good to add new words to my vocabulary!
Also, I agree with you about MK for Genesis being the best version of the two. My friend had the SNES version and I was like, "Nah! MK on the Genesis is where it's at!!!"
We played many hours on the Genesis than on the SNES! Lol We did play many hours of Super Mario Kart on the SNES. That one is a real classic!
I remember the game but don't think I've ever played it.
Just looked it up on YouTube and yup, never played it. Is it like a mix of Sim City/Harvest Moon (or Civ if you will) and platform games like Mario or Strider? That is one interesting game!
Most of my time on the SNES was spent on Mario Kart, RPG games like Final Fantasy series and platform games. Yes also sports like EA NHL and Madden. In your other reply to me, I agree, Madden football and other EA sports were awesome before EA shat the bed. Last time I've played Madden Football was Madden '98 or something similar to that.
None of us back then would have guessed that Sega would lose the console wars to Sony and that Nintendo would eventually fall on the side of free speech (relative to Sony). Yet here we are.
The TurboGraphx-16 system was fake news. It had an 8-bit CPU but offered color/display in 16-bits. It was the best system when it was initially released, but fell behind when real 16 bit platforms came onto the scene.
Alas... I too was destined never to own one. Even my son is too old for one now - I couldn't afford to drop 3-500$ on one for him when he was younger so I guess history repeats its-self.. or I now have perspective on why my parents never got one for me.
As far as the convo goes I guess I was a 3rd/4th gen kid: Nintendo (NES) > Gameboy > Super Nintendo > Sega Genesis/Saturn > PS1 > PS2 > PS3 > PS4 :) (owned a PSP, Nintendo Wii and possibly a few others but didn't play them significantly. I also recall playing on Atari and/or others but vaguely)
I owned a Colecovision, 3D0 and unfortunately... the Atari Jaguar... The Jaguar was one horrible mistake I'd not want to make ever again. Thanks to the Jaguar, I've gone from an early adopter to a late adopter.
So for me, it was Pong (someone had one and that was the first game I played) > Colecovision/Atari (the Atari 2600 was my friend's), Nes > GameBoy/GameGear > SNES/Genesis/SegaCD/Sega32x > PS1 > PS2/N64/GBA > PS3/Wii/WiiU/3DS > PS4/Switch
I may be wrong on the timeline on how I acquired them but they were concurrent with each other when they came out at that time.
A friend of mine's brother dropped big bucks for the NeoGeo but never got to see it in action. Was dying to try Metal Slug out.
Also for some reason I couldn't find myself playing, let alone owning, a XBox. The controller felt too bulgy and gimmicky. Plus I don't know many friends who owns one. They pretty much own a PS4 now.
My first console. I think I played Bonk! for about 3 days straight without sleep to beat it that first time. It was a beautifully designed system. J.J. & Jeff was my favorite for the fart attacks. :-D
Yeah, it annoys me when I see these retro styled games with graphics that look nothing like what the 16 bit era actually looked like.
This reminded me of a cut scene from one of those Military Sim games on the Amiga where you would get the President or some general giving you your next mission. Or something like Desert Strike.
Hope you're not throwing all new retro games under the bus. There's been a lot of retro shooters coming out and they're great. DUSK is a fantastic Quake 1 style horror shooter, best shooter until DOOM Eternal came out.
Then there is this sexy 16 bit gory beast coming out, all voxels and sprites, no 3D polygons, coming out.
Someone posted a 7-bit Trump made out of ASCII (apparently ASCII is technically 7-bit....yeah, me neither), then someone posted an 8-bit style Trump in response.
Nice! I have my Amiga 500 setup in my computer room fully pimped out.. amazing they are still designing and building addon cards for these things after all these years.
Agreed. And it is not even my type of music. It just fits the game so well and really sets the atmosphere.
Other excellent MD/Genesis music: The ESWAT boss battle theme (one of my favs), The whole of Revenge of Shinobi, Death Adders Theme, and Beat It from Moonwalker could have been made for the Megadrive's gorgeous crunchy sound chip.
Late to the party but didn't think anyone here would have used an Amiga in their lifetime.
Loved my Amiga, that's when I first learned how to type at 7 yr old and played a lot of fun games. Also learned how to use Windows 3.11 before we upgraded to Win 95.
Yeah a while ago, I made a comment about using an Amiga and no one replied. Not sure if it was the timing but I also assumed not many people knew what an Amiga was.
I know they weren't as popular in America as they were in the UK. We had 1.5 million of them against 700k over there, even with a population a quarter of the size of the US.
In that time period UK was really into personal computers rather than consoles and I believe the NES ruled supreme in the US. It wasn't until the Megadrive launched that we really got into consoles and it was the same reason the Genesis took off in the US; loads of games and plenty of great sports titles.
I actually learned how to play American Football thanks to John Madden's Football. Ahh, memories of back before EA became totally evil.
This is fascinating stuff to learn! I remember reading GamePro (you get that in the UK too?) and I remember it was saying something about UK and most of Europe countries get stuff later, like about 6 months to maybe a year later after America get them. I was like WHY?
Yeah companies like Sega and Nintendo concentrated on Japan and the US as their main markets leaving Europe til later for the reason I stated before: We were traditionally seen as home computer markets. After the huge success of the Megadrive/Genesis that started to change.
An interesting side effect was we had a thriving 'imports' scene where you could get the Japanese machines and games at launch for a hefty premium.
We had our own magazines. Mean Machines for all consoles, Your Sinclair (the greatest games magazine ever made IMO) for the Spectrum, Edge for more serious gaming stuff, Amiga Power was similar to YS but obviously for Amigas.
Yeah I remember reading about that import part in GamePro.
I had a childhood friend who would often buy imported games like the Japanese Nintendo 64. I think it was called Ultra64 and I played Super Mario 64 and had no fucking idea what to do because all of the dialogue was in Japanese! We just ran around and tried stuff to see how far the game can go and it was WOW.
Still an awesome experience then 6 months later I finally got my own N64 and played SM64 all over again lol
So many great games! I remember coming back from the town centre with a second hand copy of Civilization. Inch thick manual! Put the first disk in the drive and that was it...hooked.
25 years later I have Civ V installed on steam and still play regularly. Don't touch VI though. That one sucked.
From what I understand ASCII by default uses 7 bits which allows you to have 128 different characters. This covers all the basic 127 characters and symbols needed for English text communication electronically.
The extended ASCII features characters not used in English like ñ and requires 8 bit as that increases the amount of characters to 255, allowing use of foreign letters and advanced mathematical/physics symbols.
All 7 bit ASCII had to be extended to 8 bit for transmission anyway due to how the internet works so it makes sense to just use 8 bit.
I think that is basically right but I am by no means an expert and I am sure someone better versed in such things will correct any errors I have made.
Is there a noticeable difference between 7 and 8 bits?
I didn't realise you were asking about sprites.
7-bit is only really used for ASCII in the manner I described. An 8-bit sprite would be a sprite displayed by any 8-bit system. In terms of video games there is no such thing as a 7-bit sprite.
If you have old IDE hard drives, there was a jumper that you could designate It as being a “master” or “slave” drive. I remember years ago many companies did switch their terminology to “primary” and “secondary”.
You may want to try Retro Man Cave as well. He restores old systems and has a wealth of knowledge about them. He also is the worlds most chill guy with an incredibly soothing voice, similar to the guy in the video you linked.
Oh and Sega Lord X is a great channel too, but definitely more of a 'classic' American style of presenting. Very likeable chap as well, and interacts with his viewers a fair bit!
Now make a game like Final Fight. Except it’s Trump punching and kicking his way thru stages of liberals/Antifa/blm. I think we all have pretty good ideas about who end stage bosses could be.
omg, are you talking about displaying more than 8 sprites? :)
me and my twin brother made a game in assembly language on C64 as well.
http://p1ll.squarespace.com/old-skool-dev/
Make Great Video Games Again!
What, you don't think that all of the hero characters should be disabled fat-positive POC trans-lesbian?
Yeah! 1000 owner here (former). 😄🤘
True.
we used raster line to do paralax scrolling and 8+ sprites. wish I could run the game.. lost the 5.5 inch floppies long ago... did you see the character set I redifined? counted the binary into decimal numbers and read them to my brother as he inputed the values. those were the days.. :)
http://p1ll.squarespace.com/picture/8b-1.png?pictureId=19348117&asGalleryImage=true
Electro Soldier was the game. 4 different weapons, side scroller with flying boss at the end of the level. :))))))
Neither the C64 or Amiga had a 6501 CPU. (1980s C64 game developer checking in).
Yes, 6510 not 6501 :) Debugging was my forte.
Thanks for pointing that out..I was scratching my head why they said 6501. Alas, I was a bit before the C64......my assembly teeth were cut on a 6502 on an Ohio Scientific Challenger.
I taught BASIC on a Vic20 in 7th grade. Scrolling messages in color was as far as I took it lol.
Not bad dude. Wanna take a stab at making us some decent nVidia drivers for Linux?
That's cool.
Amiga!
Amiga master race.
I had an Amiga and a Megadrive with MegaCD. I wasn't spoiled, I just conned my parents that the Amiga was 'educational'.
To be fair all the hours I sunk into Civilization were quite educational. X-Com less so...
Funnily enough about 10 years ago I was in a pub and they had karaoke on. The guy hosting it was running it off an Amiga 600. I was fully nerding out over it.
The price of a decent A1200 blows me away.
Anyone have an opinion on the Vampire?
My brother and I saved our money to buy the LATEST 16 BIT MEGA GRAPHIX CONSOLE back in late grade school. It was Sega vs. SNES. The deciding factor?
"Mortal Kombat on Sega has BLOOD in it!"
Haha. I already had mine when MK came out but you better believe I used that as a cudgel to beat the SNES boys over the head with.
Huh TIL what a cudgel is.
Sorry, I am rather old fashioned and rather British. :)
No worries! You're good. It's good to add new words to my vocabulary!
Also, I agree with you about MK for Genesis being the best version of the two. My friend had the SNES version and I was like, "Nah! MK on the Genesis is where it's at!!!"
We played many hours on the Genesis than on the SNES! Lol We did play many hours of Super Mario Kart on the SNES. That one is a real classic!
Actraiser was what got me on the SNES. I was like "WTF is this game even?"
I had never seen anything like it, but it was addictive as hell and properly hard.
I remember the game but don't think I've ever played it.
Just looked it up on YouTube and yup, never played it. Is it like a mix of Sim City/Harvest Moon (or Civ if you will) and platform games like Mario or Strider? That is one interesting game!
Most of my time on the SNES was spent on Mario Kart, RPG games like Final Fantasy series and platform games. Yes also sports like EA NHL and Madden. In your other reply to me, I agree, Madden football and other EA sports were awesome before EA shat the bed. Last time I've played Madden Football was Madden '98 or something similar to that.
I ll never forget being amazed by all the speech on Madden as I had only recently upgraded from the Spectrum .
"Ooh, he'll feel that one in the morning!"
None of us back then would have guessed that Sega would lose the console wars to Sony and that Nintendo would eventually fall on the side of free speech (relative to Sony). Yet here we are.
Turbo. Graphix. 16.
The TurboGraphx-16 system was fake news. It had an 8-bit CPU but offered color/display in 16-bits. It was the best system when it was initially released, but fell behind when real 16 bit platforms came onto the scene.
Over here in the UK they were really rare. I don't think they got an actual official release, or if they did it was super low key.
They were mainly available as super expensive imports. I loved the look of the games but was fated to never own one.
I would have killed for one of these as a toddler...
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=first+electric+kids+jeep+hummer&atb=v99-1&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
Alas... I too was destined never to own one. Even my son is too old for one now - I couldn't afford to drop 3-500$ on one for him when he was younger so I guess history repeats its-self.. or I now have perspective on why my parents never got one for me.
As far as the convo goes I guess I was a 3rd/4th gen kid: Nintendo (NES) > Gameboy > Super Nintendo > Sega Genesis/Saturn > PS1 > PS2 > PS3 > PS4 :) (owned a PSP, Nintendo Wii and possibly a few others but didn't play them significantly. I also recall playing on Atari and/or others but vaguely)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_home_video_game_consoles
I went:
ZX Spectrum + > ZX Spectrum +2 > Megadrive > MegaCD > Amiga > N64 > PSX > Dreamcast > Gamecube > Xbox > PlayStation 2 > Xbox 360 > WII > PlayStation 3 > Switch
Spectrums were HUGE in the UK and pretty much filled the slot NES occupies in the US.
Now mainly a PC gamer but still love me some Mario and Zelda.
Forgot about N64.. not sure how.
Golden Eye and a few others reigned supreme for a summer or two.
I also made some shift to PC a few times, got hooked on Command & Conquer, also played a lot of Day of Defeat when it was hot.
I owned a Colecovision, 3D0 and unfortunately... the Atari Jaguar... The Jaguar was one horrible mistake I'd not want to make ever again. Thanks to the Jaguar, I've gone from an early adopter to a late adopter.
So for me, it was Pong (someone had one and that was the first game I played) > Colecovision/Atari (the Atari 2600 was my friend's), Nes > GameBoy/GameGear > SNES/Genesis/SegaCD/Sega32x > PS1 > PS2/N64/GBA > PS3/Wii/WiiU/3DS > PS4/Switch
I may be wrong on the timeline on how I acquired them but they were concurrent with each other when they came out at that time.
A friend of mine's brother dropped big bucks for the NeoGeo but never got to see it in action. Was dying to try Metal Slug out.
Also for some reason I couldn't find myself playing, let alone owning, a XBox. The controller felt too bulgy and gimmicky. Plus I don't know many friends who owns one. They pretty much own a PS4 now.
My first console. I think I played Bonk! for about 3 days straight without sleep to beat it that first time. It was a beautifully designed system. J.J. & Jeff was my favorite for the fart attacks. :-D
Bonk was such a fun game.
I did not make this. I found it on the interwebs.
I like the art, but feel like I missed a meme somewhere.
Just some guys posting Trumps in increasing bit versions.
Also they're getting the bit counts wrong (except the 7-bit one, which was technically correct). But I still like to see them.
Just digital grognards having a old reminisce.
That actually looks really good. That's the kind of 16bit graphics detail Lucas Arts use to do in back in the day.
Yeah, it annoys me when I see these retro styled games with graphics that look nothing like what the 16 bit era actually looked like.
This reminded me of a cut scene from one of those Military Sim games on the Amiga where you would get the President or some general giving you your next mission. Or something like Desert Strike.
Hope you're not throwing all new retro games under the bus. There's been a lot of retro shooters coming out and they're great. DUSK is a fantastic Quake 1 style horror shooter, best shooter until DOOM Eternal came out.
Then there is this sexy 16 bit gory beast coming out, all voxels and sprites, no 3D polygons, coming out.
https://youtu.be/UwHRPVrZVgM
Nah, I was just talking about the 16 bit emulating ones that don't look anything like actual 16 bit graphics.
DUSK is spot on with it's presentation. Really nails the Quake look.
I hear Marv Albert going “YES! And it counts!”
Is this a NBA Jam reference?
On Sega Genesis, there was a game called NBA Action '94. I know that Marv did a version of NBA Jams too so both references work.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/genesis/586337-nba-action-94/reviews/63748
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ain't no one got time to read dat
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While I overall agree with the premise, I, SIR, am NOT lazy (as a twat )!
kek
1 + 1 !== 2
1 + 1 = 10
I want this character for Castle Wolfenstein!
Im lost... what happened with all the 8 bit etc. posts
Someone posted a 7-bit Trump made out of ASCII (apparently ASCII is technically 7-bit....yeah, me neither), then someone posted an 8-bit style Trump in response.
7 bit so the eighth bit could be used to check parity.
My man Johnny Truthseed dropping science here.
To be fair, u/TrumpFortyFive posted the 8 bit before I posted the 7.
Wooooosh ... right over my head.
The 8-bit post came out first then the 7-bit and it goes down from there, until the 16-bit just now.
Don't forget SNES
We have the BEST bits, don't we, folks?
Nice! I have my Amiga 500 setup in my computer room fully pimped out.. amazing they are still designing and building addon cards for these things after all these years.
Shining Force 1/2
Streets of Rage 2 : best OST of the console
Agreed. And it is not even my type of music. It just fits the game so well and really sets the atmosphere.
Other excellent MD/Genesis music: The ESWAT boss battle theme (one of my favs), The whole of Revenge of Shinobi, Death Adders Theme, and Beat It from Moonwalker could have been made for the Megadrive's gorgeous crunchy sound chip.
Late to the party but didn't think anyone here would have used an Amiga in their lifetime.
Loved my Amiga, that's when I first learned how to type at 7 yr old and played a lot of fun games. Also learned how to use Windows 3.11 before we upgraded to Win 95.
Ah good times...
There's more of us old farts here than you would imagine! ;)
Yeah a while ago, I made a comment about using an Amiga and no one replied. Not sure if it was the timing but I also assumed not many people knew what an Amiga was.
I know they weren't as popular in America as they were in the UK. We had 1.5 million of them against 700k over there, even with a population a quarter of the size of the US.
In that time period UK was really into personal computers rather than consoles and I believe the NES ruled supreme in the US. It wasn't until the Megadrive launched that we really got into consoles and it was the same reason the Genesis took off in the US; loads of games and plenty of great sports titles.
I actually learned how to play American Football thanks to John Madden's Football. Ahh, memories of back before EA became totally evil.
This is fascinating stuff to learn! I remember reading GamePro (you get that in the UK too?) and I remember it was saying something about UK and most of Europe countries get stuff later, like about 6 months to maybe a year later after America get them. I was like WHY?
So is that true? If so, why is that the case?
Yeah companies like Sega and Nintendo concentrated on Japan and the US as their main markets leaving Europe til later for the reason I stated before: We were traditionally seen as home computer markets. After the huge success of the Megadrive/Genesis that started to change.
An interesting side effect was we had a thriving 'imports' scene where you could get the Japanese machines and games at launch for a hefty premium.
We had our own magazines. Mean Machines for all consoles, Your Sinclair (the greatest games magazine ever made IMO) for the Spectrum, Edge for more serious gaming stuff, Amiga Power was similar to YS but obviously for Amigas.
Yeah I remember reading about that import part in GamePro.
I had a childhood friend who would often buy imported games like the Japanese Nintendo 64. I think it was called Ultra64 and I played Super Mario 64 and had no fucking idea what to do because all of the dialogue was in Japanese! We just ran around and tried stuff to see how far the game can go and it was WOW.
Still an awesome experience then 6 months later I finally got my own N64 and played SM64 all over again lol
SEGA does what Nintendon't
Don't forget the Amiga's HAM mode. 4096 glorious colors while IBM was pushing Yar's Revenge-quality images.
Oh it was a beast all right. I remember that Tutankhamun pic the magazines always used to show to demonstrate the power.
TRUMP 2020: Final Fight
We have the best Video Toasters don't we folks?
So many great games! I remember coming back from the town centre with a second hand copy of Civilization. Inch thick manual! Put the first disk in the drive and that was it...hooked.
25 years later I have Civ V installed on steam and still play regularly. Don't touch VI though. That one sucked.
Pretty much a normal picture at that point.
I couldn't find one :(
Looks like something from Sierra
Hmm, a sierra style game based on the Trumps Space Force comic...that could be a winner.
That is so thoroughly 90's! Well done!
I just found it, didn't make it.
Ah, Genesis, my first system.
Is there a noticeable difference between 7 and 8 bits?
From what I understand ASCII by default uses 7 bits which allows you to have 128 different characters. This covers all the basic 127 characters and symbols needed for English text communication electronically.
The extended ASCII features characters not used in English like ñ and requires 8 bit as that increases the amount of characters to 255, allowing use of foreign letters and advanced mathematical/physics symbols.
All 7 bit ASCII had to be extended to 8 bit for transmission anyway due to how the internet works so it makes sense to just use 8 bit.
I think that is basically right but I am by no means an expert and I am sure someone better versed in such things will correct any errors I have made.
You got it. The ASCII artwork, if it was made on a modern computer, would be stored and handled as 8-bit, possibly Unicode.
Thank you for the information. But how does that relate to videogame sprites?
I didn't realise you were asking about sprites.
7-bit is only really used for ASCII in the manner I described. An 8-bit sprite would be a sprite displayed by any 8-bit system. In terms of video games there is no such thing as a 7-bit sprite.
Thank you. I don't know much about this subject. These things are before my time.
Thanks for making me feel old lol
oh no, you're calling me ageist!
Aka Master Drive System. I wonder what it would be called today, now that we’re woke enough to not use words like ‘master’ /eyeroll
If you have old IDE hard drives, there was a jumper that you could designate It as being a “master” or “slave” drive. I remember years ago many companies did switch their terminology to “primary” and “secondary”.
Good question.
Well done!
Can we get a collection of all "bit" Trumps thus far?
I just have to give a shout out to this channel for all the retro folks like myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN8AbHpCRF0
The whole channel is absolute gold with weekly episodes (..ish)
You may want to try Retro Man Cave as well. He restores old systems and has a wealth of knowledge about them. He also is the worlds most chill guy with an incredibly soothing voice, similar to the guy in the video you linked.
Oh and Sega Lord X is a great channel too, but definitely more of a 'classic' American style of presenting. Very likeable chap as well, and interacts with his viewers a fair bit!
That's the thicc boy president we all need.
Now make a game like Final Fight. Except it’s Trump punching and kicking his way thru stages of liberals/Antifa/blm. I think we all have pretty good ideas about who end stage bosses could be.
Final Fight would be a great template, or possible Streets of Rage. If I had any ability or experience in game design whatsoever I would.
<eyes Unreal Engine link on desktop guiltily>
You know what? I really should start... So much material for little memes and shout outs.
This is fantastic! Next do blocky 32bit Trump!!!!
This is fantastic. Thanks OP!
Yuuuuge.
Tremendous