Shamelessly hijacking top comment to post a developers take (not mine, not linking to reddit though)
TikTok is a data collection service that is thinly-veiled as a social network. If there is an API to get information on you, your contacts, or your device... well, they're using it.
Phone hardware (cpu type, number of course, hardware ids, screen dimensions, dpi, memory usage, disk space, etc)
Other apps you have installed (I've even seen some I've deleted show up in their analytics payload - maybe using as cached value?)
Everything network-related (ip, local ip, router mac, your mac, wifi access point name)
Whether or not you're rooted/jailbroken
Some variants of the app had GPS pinging enabled at the time, roughly once every 30 seconds - this is enabled by default if you ever location-tag a post IIRC
They set up a local proxy server on your device for "transcoding media", but that can be abused very easily as it has zero authentication
The scariest part of all of this is that much of the logging they're doing is remotely configurable, and unless you reverse every single one of their native libraries (have fun reading all of that assembly, assuming you can get past their customized fork of OLLVM!!!) and manually inspect every single obfuscated function. They have several different protections in place to prevent you from reversing or debugging the app as well. App behavior changes slightly if they know you're trying to figure out what they're doing. There's also a few snippets of code on the Android version that allows for the downloading of a remote zip file, unzipping it, and executing said binary. There is zero reason a mobile app would need this functionality legitimately.
On top of all of the above, they weren't even using HTTPS for the longest time. They leaked users' email addresses in their HTTP REST API, as well as their secondary emails used for password resets. Don't forget about users' real names and birthdays, too. It was allllll publicly viewable a few months ago if you MITM'd the application.
They provide users with a taste of "virality" to entice them to stay on the platform. Your first TikTok post will likely garner quite a bit of likes, regardless of how good it is.. assuming you get past the initial moderation queue if thats still a thing. Most users end up chasing the dragon. Oh, there's also a ton of creepy old men who have direct access to children on the app, and I've personally seen (and reported) some really suspect stuff. 40-50 year old men getting 8-10 year old girls to do "duets" with them with sexually suggestive songs. Those videos are posted publicly. TikTok has direct messaging functionality.
Here's the thing though.. they don't want you to know how much information they're collecting on you, and the security implications of all of that data in one place, en masse, are fucking huge. They encrypt all of the analytics requests with an algorithm that changes with every update (at the very least the keys change) just so you can't see what they're doing. They also made it so you cannot use the app at all if you block communication to their analytics host off at the DNS-level.
For what it's worth I've reversed the Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter apps. They don't collect anywhere near the same amount of data that TikTok does, and they sure as hell aren't outright trying to hide exactly whats being sent like TikTok is. It's like comparing a cup of water to the ocean - they just don't compare.
I notice that trend as well with apps that have suspect data practices- if you block the unwanted traffic via firewall the app goes into limp mode and won't function.
Thanks for posting this was going to do similar. It just goes to show that most morons these days still do not know how to handle technology responsibly. Along with that, they don't even care for the most part. Which is quite sad.
Or a woke virtue signaler who threatens to cut people's throats for saying all lives matter but then loses her job over it and blames Trump supporters for it and them being big meany faces.
She was offered an internship that she never started because threatening violence is against Deloittes policies. So not only is she a violent Marxist but she's also a fraud.
And that’s exactly what about 40 percent of Americans are. Brainwashed commie faggots. They will either ignore this warning or say Trump/Pompeo are liars/fake news peddlers. The media will push CCP/DNC propaganda.
So many leftist Americans are actual, literal domestic enemies to this nation. Can you imagine this political climate in the era of WWI or WWII? Half of the country would be openly aiding and abetting our enemies. America, and likely many of us pedes wouldn’t even exist today.
The mainstream media is all but owned by china. I've never seen CNN ever criticize china or Winnie the Flu. They've been screeching about sinophobia instead.
This is great but we must prepare ourselves for the fact that costs will reflect their real value. Goods will rise in cost. The upside is we will have larger earnings per capita, so at some point, things could even out.
Too many people dependent on the china tit. If anything, people will stop buying useless shit that breaks in a week. Shit used to last.. used to be passed on to generations. Good luck finding a spatula that holds up anymore.
Would it comfort you to know that many did, in those times? There was a Nazi rally in Madison square garden, look into who financed WW2 before we got involved.
Maybe we should stop perpetuating a potential falsity.
We know the numbers we have on this website not reddit. People should stop looking back on the Donald and assuming we had more than 750k because guess what? We don’t fucking know how many we had there.
This is why win is so important because we NOW fucking 100% know how many of us are here.
Before they stopped selling ads for T_D, reddit told people looking to buy them that they would reach 6 million subscribers, while at the same time the official subscriber counter said ~600k. So, unless reddit was lying to paid advertisers, and commiting fraud, the number of subscribers shown on the counter was ~1/10 the true number of 'pedes actually subscribed.
No Idea why this would be downvoted, but iirc tiktok is owned by a company called bytedance. It's not technically tencent but they are both arms of the chinese communist party so they're equally as bad.
Tencent also owns a big chunk of Blizzard Entertainment, which is why that one champion Hearthstone player got banned for supporting the Hong Kong protesters.
There is no functional separation in China between corporations and the Party. US based businesses should be prohibited from selling shares to Chinese nationals or China-owned legal entities, partnering, or otherwise interacting with such in any way. Did we let the Soviet steel industry buy out US foundries during the Cold War?
We should be trying to create more arms deals with the indians imo. They can be a strong regional partner in containing the CCP and when they buy f-35s and weapons from us that creates american jobs. It's a win win scenario as far as I'm concerned. Lets just hope POTUS keeps the H1B program suspended though. India takes away a lot of tech sector jobs from Americans.
Tell her it’s your phone. If they want to they can buy you a phone and put whatever they want on it, but this phone is yours. Tell her you use it for banking and shit and don’t want just any software running on it.
Yep, ask for a work-issued phone or tell her to go take a hike. I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure they can't force you to install things on your own personal phone.
This is ridiculous. I am not sure what you do for a living but if any intellectual property or info shared has value to CCP, I would document everything around this request. I would confirm everything in an email. Save it locally.
Anything coming from a Communist country needs to be banned. We weren't friends with Russia. We are currently not friendly with Cuba. China is the single biggest threat on earth and jumped right in be with them.
App stores need to have all apps made in China with disclaimers. Employers need to have requirements that prevents personal phones with Chinese apps from being around work meetings and work content.
I would not doubt if some of them intentionally start spreading covid to get that attention. Look how dangerous our lives are, pay us more, worship us.
Trump is extracting China's claws from American institutions. Yesterday ICE decided that student visas will be revoked for students attending universities that are online-only (and a HUGE amount of money that American Universities make comes from Chinese students). Now he's going to ban Chinese spyware apps.
He knows these lefty think incubators will reopen without question and stay that way if he starts considering sending these foreigners back. Stable genius!
I really hope at some point all these catalogued instances of treason are rolled out and the picture is painted loud and clear. TREASON, SEDITION, CONSPIRACY TO ENSLAVE THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE.
I believe it's an app that allows CCP to use Chinese Nationals and Chinese Nationals on student visas to collect information. I wonder how often it's used for collaboration projects? I wonder how many collaboration apps are made in China.
Some people wouldn’t even care. I feel like a whole generation has zero clue that their are enemies outside our borders who wish to destroy our country by any and all means. They are convinced WE, the USA, are the problem.
Imagine the meltdown on plebbit knowing that TD got away from the blast radius of a ban. Better yet imagine subs like politics trying to make their own version of TD.win
We cede info to American Communists on Facebook, Twitter and Google. Considering much of their staff are foreign citizens, I would consider them a threat as well.
However people should be financially responsible, become independent adults, and have stable careers.
You only have one body so I don’t blame them. If I were a girl I would not want to get pregnant, have my body wrecked permanently, recover from a traumatic birth, and get stuck with a kid either.
Some people are always going to want kids and they’ll have enough to sustain the human race. Don’t get worked up over it.
I talked to some young Marines a year or so ago about stuff like this. I realized they had never known America before the Patriot Act, and to them things like being searched and groped while traveling, having all communications spied on, etc. we're totally normal.
We've already lost so much freedom it's sickening.
I'd also like to see a ban on all electronics from China - hell I'd love to see a ban on everything except raw materials. You never know what kind of backdoor they are putting into our cheap consumer products. Imagine the type of network attack you could create with a botnet of unsuspecting consumer routers and "smart devices". It's a national security threat - hell it's a threat against the entire planet.
Great, now China knows America is full of big titted skanks with daddy issues! In all seriousness though, it's actually more dangerous as a propoganda tool, whereby algorithms can be employed to influence the minds of impressionable youth. Frankly, it's nothing but BLM Marxist crap, skanks and gothic shitheads!
Don't ban the app. At least not for now. But there should be a warning by the app stores that the Chinese government is tracking your personal information. Or more awareness in general. I just found out about the CCP connection and I'm never going to use it now. I'm also telling everyone I know. "Do you want to give your personal information to China?" Just make people aware of the hazard. Then ban it after everyone agrees we don't want China messing with our kids.
My suggestion is to have a zoom meeting talking about ways to support the protestors in Hong Kong and make sure that its a large meeting that lasts a couple of hours.
My speculation is that CCP will get pissed off and somehow tips its hand that it listened in on the meeting. Then take that to the board and say "Hmm... ya think you might want to rethink this?"
I suggested this to the Motley Fool because they are freaking Zoom crazies but they never replied back to my suggestion.
Or a 12 year old girl
Or an attention whore nurse.
Probably also a Commie.
Yep. Medical Commie
Shamelessly hijacking top comment to post a developers take (not mine, not linking to reddit though)
TikTok is a data collection service that is thinly-veiled as a social network. If there is an API to get information on you, your contacts, or your device... well, they're using it.
Phone hardware (cpu type, number of course, hardware ids, screen dimensions, dpi, memory usage, disk space, etc) Other apps you have installed (I've even seen some I've deleted show up in their analytics payload - maybe using as cached value?) Everything network-related (ip, local ip, router mac, your mac, wifi access point name) Whether or not you're rooted/jailbroken Some variants of the app had GPS pinging enabled at the time, roughly once every 30 seconds - this is enabled by default if you ever location-tag a post IIRC They set up a local proxy server on your device for "transcoding media", but that can be abused very easily as it has zero authentication The scariest part of all of this is that much of the logging they're doing is remotely configurable, and unless you reverse every single one of their native libraries (have fun reading all of that assembly, assuming you can get past their customized fork of OLLVM!!!) and manually inspect every single obfuscated function. They have several different protections in place to prevent you from reversing or debugging the app as well. App behavior changes slightly if they know you're trying to figure out what they're doing. There's also a few snippets of code on the Android version that allows for the downloading of a remote zip file, unzipping it, and executing said binary. There is zero reason a mobile app would need this functionality legitimately.
On top of all of the above, they weren't even using HTTPS for the longest time. They leaked users' email addresses in their HTTP REST API, as well as their secondary emails used for password resets. Don't forget about users' real names and birthdays, too. It was allllll publicly viewable a few months ago if you MITM'd the application.
They provide users with a taste of "virality" to entice them to stay on the platform. Your first TikTok post will likely garner quite a bit of likes, regardless of how good it is.. assuming you get past the initial moderation queue if thats still a thing. Most users end up chasing the dragon. Oh, there's also a ton of creepy old men who have direct access to children on the app, and I've personally seen (and reported) some really suspect stuff. 40-50 year old men getting 8-10 year old girls to do "duets" with them with sexually suggestive songs. Those videos are posted publicly. TikTok has direct messaging functionality.
Here's the thing though.. they don't want you to know how much information they're collecting on you, and the security implications of all of that data in one place, en masse, are fucking huge. They encrypt all of the analytics requests with an algorithm that changes with every update (at the very least the keys change) just so you can't see what they're doing. They also made it so you cannot use the app at all if you block communication to their analytics host off at the DNS-level.
For what it's worth I've reversed the Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter apps. They don't collect anywhere near the same amount of data that TikTok does, and they sure as hell aren't outright trying to hide exactly whats being sent like TikTok is. It's like comparing a cup of water to the ocean - they just don't compare.
I read that as well. I'm sure India saw it, did their own reverse engineering and thus banned it.
Don't we have a cyber security agency in America? Reverse engineer all foreign apps and ban them.
We must have something since Trump wants it banned.
I'd say any business related with a communist country needs to be completely cut off from the world.
I notice that trend as well with apps that have suspect data practices- if you block the unwanted traffic via firewall the app goes into limp mode and won't function.
Thanks for posting this was going to do similar. It just goes to show that most morons these days still do not know how to handle technology responsibly. Along with that, they don't even care for the most part. Which is quite sad.
Kevin Mitnick said it best
Exactly like what Facebook and Instagram does. Or any other app that asks you to agree to terms and conditions.
All of which lack brain cells.
Or a woke virtue signaler who threatens to cut people's throats for saying all lives matter but then loses her job over it and blames Trump supporters for it and them being big meany faces.
Or their internship ended but they think it’s a good idea to lie about losing their job to try and score more points in the Woke Olympics.
She was offered an internship that she never started because threatening violence is against Deloittes policies. So not only is she a violent Marxist but she's also a fraud.
https://dcdirtylaundry.com/harvard-grad-claira-janover-never-had-a-job-at-deloitte-but-is-set-to-cash-in-on-gofundme-for-being-fired/
Marxist and Fraud in the same sentence is double jeopardy
Also a commie
Or just a whore.
Commie whore
I wish my paycheck doubled while i spent most of my day bored and did synchronized dance routines
Or pretending to be?
You're literally saying the same thing.
Apparently tiktok censors any criticism of the chicoms but will allow pseudo porn on their platform. So basically Reddit.
And YouTube.
And that’s exactly what about 40 percent of Americans are. Brainwashed commie faggots. They will either ignore this warning or say Trump/Pompeo are liars/fake news peddlers. The media will push CCP/DNC propaganda.
So many leftist Americans are actual, literal domestic enemies to this nation. Can you imagine this political climate in the era of WWI or WWII? Half of the country would be openly aiding and abetting our enemies. America, and likely many of us pedes wouldn’t even exist today.
The mainstream media is all but owned by china. I've never seen CNN ever criticize china or Winnie the Flu. They've been screeching about sinophobia instead.
Yessir. The msm is almost 100% controlled/owned/influenced by China.
They NEVER criticize China, it’s soo glaring and obvious there running stories directly from the Chinese Communist Party.
Pompeo needs to ban it. Just like India did. Ban all Chinese apps.
Hell, ban all Chinese products. Let the Commies live without us.
We need to bring manufacturing back. I would take a manufacturing job if it's more lucrative than being a chef at this point.
This is great but we must prepare ourselves for the fact that costs will reflect their real value. Goods will rise in cost. The upside is we will have larger earnings per capita, so at some point, things could even out.
Too many people dependent on the china tit. If anything, people will stop buying useless shit that breaks in a week. Shit used to last.. used to be passed on to generations. Good luck finding a spatula that holds up anymore.
Me too, I would love to have a manufacturing job if the benefits are as good as where I'm at now.
Loose Memess Sink Democrat False Flags and PSyops
Would it comfort you to know that many did, in those times? There was a Nazi rally in Madison square garden, look into who financed WW2 before we got involved.
Had this happened back then they would have strung them up and filleted them.
It promotes Hypersexualization of teenagers anyways, and degenerate behavior. I dated a younger woman recently and was introduced to Tik Tok by her.
Majority of the content is soft core porn.....except for teenagers. It's disgusting.
Yes.
Do Reddit do Reddit
Clipboards as in what people have ready in their copy/paste or your draft comments before you send?
iOS clipboards.. which conveniently you cannot view, unlike Android.
Looked into it a bit, apparently it was the app that was doing that.
Wait, was Reddit spying on the clipboard too? I know TikTok was doing it...
Well, just looked it up myself. They are.
Someone who's exhausted by the constant demands to install the app that the mobile website shoves in your face.
I never did but I would understand to avoid that shit.
There need to be major consequences for silencing 750,000 supporters of the President of the United States, and there will.
Maybe we should stop perpetuating a potential falsity.
We know the numbers we have on this website not reddit. People should stop looking back on the Donald and assuming we had more than 750k because guess what? We don’t fucking know how many we had there.
This is why win is so important because we NOW fucking 100% know how many of us are here.
Before they stopped selling ads for T_D, reddit told people looking to buy them that they would reach 6 million subscribers, while at the same time the official subscriber counter said ~600k. So, unless reddit was lying to paid advertisers, and commiting fraud, the number of subscribers shown on the counter was ~1/10 the true number of 'pedes actually subscribed.
How do you find out how many people we have here? I don't see a subscriber count or anything
We have 230,000 daily unique visiters and 5,500,000 monthly unique visitors. https://www.w3use.com/website/thedonald.win
How is the site generating $1800 a day with no ad revenue?
It's not it's just an estimate of how much the site makes.
They're also banning any trump forum as "ban evasion" now. We are not allowed to support our president on Reddit anymore.... it's chilling.
No Idea why this would be downvoted, but iirc tiktok is owned by a company called bytedance. It's not technically tencent but they are both arms of the chinese communist party so they're equally as bad.
Tik take ya data
Tencent also owns a big chunk of Blizzard Entertainment, which is why that one champion Hearthstone player got banned for supporting the Hong Kong protesters.
There is no functional separation in China between corporations and the Party. US based businesses should be prohibited from selling shares to Chinese nationals or China-owned legal entities, partnering, or otherwise interacting with such in any way. Did we let the Soviet steel industry buy out US foundries during the Cold War?
They also paid Bungie (the devs of Destiny 2) enough money to where they no longer needed to be supported by Activision (who owns blizzard)
So ask yourself, why would a company that owns shares of blizzard pay a dev team also under the same umbrella enough money to help them separate?
They used the same feature as tiktok to grab users clipboard data.
They also haven't proven it wasn't malicious since they didn't release their code snippets.
What is clipboard data?
Ever copy something on your phone? A Password, a text, a picture, anything?
If you use the reddit app, Reddit has it now.
If you use the TikTok app, China has it now.
Everyone should be banning, considering it's full of America hating lefty faggots.
Based India banned it already. World's largest democracy gives zero fucks about CCP.
We should be trying to create more arms deals with the indians imo. They can be a strong regional partner in containing the CCP and when they buy f-35s and weapons from us that creates american jobs. It's a win win scenario as far as I'm concerned. Lets just hope POTUS keeps the H1B program suspended though. India takes away a lot of tech sector jobs from Americans.
They have so much potential but need their swamp drained as well. India is the next big economy in my opinion.
Yes. They hate China. Hey! I found something good about India! I’m done for the day.
I 100% support this. My boss said yesterday she wants me to make a work related tik tok on my personal phone. I am very uncomfortable with this!
Trump EO incoming when??
Tell her it’s your phone. If they want to they can buy you a phone and put whatever they want on it, but this phone is yours. Tell her you use it for banking and shit and don’t want just any software running on it.
Yep, ask for a work-issued phone or tell her to go take a hike. I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure they can't force you to install things on your own personal phone.
Ask you boss if she works for China.
Say no, not happening
This is ridiculous. I am not sure what you do for a living but if any intellectual property or info shared has value to CCP, I would document everything around this request. I would confirm everything in an email. Save it locally.
All the kids will say is -
ThE rEpUbLiCaN's ArE cEnSoRiNg uS!
Learn to code
Don't like it? Make your own tik tok
Call it Chop Chop.
Ching Chong
Right. No one is stopping them from creating their own platform and programming.
Any app coming from China should be banned asap. They all answer to the ccp and will give them whatever info they ask for
Anything coming from a Communist country needs to be banned. We weren't friends with Russia. We are currently not friendly with Cuba. China is the single biggest threat on earth and jumped right in be with them.
App stores need to have all apps made in China with disclaimers. Employers need to have requirements that prevents personal phones with Chinese apps from being around work meetings and work content.
But what will nurses use for attention??
God forbid women in general could not get their “look at meeeeeee!” fix on phone apps.
I would not doubt if some of them intentionally start spreading covid to get that attention. Look how dangerous our lives are, pay us more, worship us.
Facebook live
Trump is extracting China's claws from American institutions. Yesterday ICE decided that student visas will be revoked for students attending universities that are online-only (and a HUGE amount of money that American Universities make comes from Chinese students). Now he's going to ban Chinese spyware apps.
He knows these lefty think incubators will reopen without question and stay that way if he starts considering sending these foreigners back. Stable genius!
I really hope at some point all these catalogued instances of treason are rolled out and the picture is painted loud and clear. TREASON, SEDITION, CONSPIRACY TO ENSLAVE THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE.
I'm 100% for a Moon Prison.
Lol the moon will become Australia
A whole country of Dim Wits
Sum Dumb Wangs
Sum Yung Gai
And if the content creators on OnlyFans are smart, they will save their money and invest it after doing the Dave Ramsey baby steps!
Thot patrol is a national security issue.
I believe it's an app that allows CCP to use Chinese Nationals and Chinese Nationals on student visas to collect information. I wonder how often it's used for collaboration projects? I wonder how many collaboration apps are made in China.
#DecoupleFromChina
What will our health care heroes do without TikTok??
Damnit, I'm 3/4 through a nursing degree.. You mean to say i'll have to actually work?!?!?!?!?
"warns"
"potential restrictions"
Be careful there, Mike. Don't want to scare the commies before you send out the dreaded sternly worded diplomatic communique.
and the pedo vote. Lets be real though, Joepedo had that locked down already
They either don't vote or voted for comrade Bernie. Sad!
Some people wouldn’t even care. I feel like a whole generation has zero clue that their are enemies outside our borders who wish to destroy our country by any and all means. They are convinced WE, the USA, are the problem.
Enemies inside the borders
Enemies elected to congress and running committees
Enemies as Speaker of the House
What about Zoom? Is Chyna spying on us through Zoom, as well?
Yes, so I've heard. Business owners who compete with Chyna should be really careful about this.
Probably
The word over on Reddit is that Reddit might be included in that restriction
Imagine the meltdown on plebbit knowing that TD got away from the blast radius of a ban. Better yet imagine subs like politics trying to make their own version of TD.win
Now do all US based social networks.
Remove that shit from your kid's phones.
I can warn a kid that I might put them on timeout. They won't care.
We cede info to American Communists on Facebook, Twitter and Google. Considering much of their staff are foreign citizens, I would consider them a threat as well.
Instead of reading books and educating one self with worthwhile hobbies we have a generation trying to be e-famous.
There’s nothing wrong with not wanting kids.
However people should be financially responsible, become independent adults, and have stable careers.
You only have one body so I don’t blame them. If I were a girl I would not want to get pregnant, have my body wrecked permanently, recover from a traumatic birth, and get stuck with a kid either.
Some people are always going to want kids and they’ll have enough to sustain the human race. Don’t get worked up over it.
Shut it down. It's been confirmed to be spyware and dump info back to chicoms
Can you stop the NSA spying on us while you're concerned about our privacy?
Have to get rid of the Bushie Patriot Act.
Making laws out of fear always works out so well for the people
I talked to some young Marines a year or so ago about stuff like this. I realized they had never known America before the Patriot Act, and to them things like being searched and groped while traveling, having all communications spied on, etc. we're totally normal.
We've already lost so much freedom it's sickening.
What will all the nurses do?
What the fuck is all this "we might do a thing" bullshit?
Just fucking do it you FUCKS
Less talking more doing. Get tiktok out of our country.
There is no doubt about it.
BAN ALL CHINESE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE. FUCK TENCENT. FUCK THE CCP.
Ban all Chinese products, period
I'd also like to see a ban on all electronics from China - hell I'd love to see a ban on everything except raw materials. You never know what kind of backdoor they are putting into our cheap consumer products. Imagine the type of network attack you could create with a botnet of unsuspecting consumer routers and "smart devices". It's a national security threat - hell it's a threat against the entire planet.
Great, now China knows America is full of big titted skanks with daddy issues! In all seriousness though, it's actually more dangerous as a propoganda tool, whereby algorithms can be employed to influence the minds of impressionable youth. Frankly, it's nothing but BLM Marxist crap, skanks and gothic shitheads!
I never used tiktok and never will.
Communism has no place in this country.
Don't ban the app. At least not for now. But there should be a warning by the app stores that the Chinese government is tracking your personal information. Or more awareness in general. I just found out about the CCP connection and I'm never going to use it now. I'm also telling everyone I know. "Do you want to give your personal information to China?" Just make people aware of the hazard. Then ban it after everyone agrees we don't want China messing with our kids.
I downloaded the app a while back and thought it was gay. Forgot it was on my phone. Deleted yesterday.
China owns Nathan hotdogs
DO IT!
'Bout time. It's a start.
Replace maybe with ARE
Sometimes I feel like a worldwide EMP would do us all good.
I hope they take a close look at Zoom. In the geek world, it has an extremely bad reputation.
But what can you do when all of IT says no, but the board of directors want the "Zoomy thing" for their meetings.
My suggestion is to have a zoom meeting talking about ways to support the protestors in Hong Kong and make sure that its a large meeting that lasts a couple of hours.
My speculation is that CCP will get pissed off and somehow tips its hand that it listened in on the meeting. Then take that to the board and say "Hmm... ya think you might want to rethink this?"
I suggested this to the Motley Fool because they are freaking Zoom crazies but they never replied back to my suggestion.