Yes pede take Lyme disease very seriously. I had it for several years and didn't know it. I'm free of the bacteria now but many symptoms remain as flair ups so get it resolved quickly
Knew a co-worker who couldn't remember things only 20 minutes prior, wouldn't remember where they were going or why they were heading there - way worse than the usual "brain fart".
Fucking Lyme. They still have chronic fatigue from it to this day.
Saying a prayer for you not to have lyme or covid. My aunt has lime disease. When your doctor contacts you record the response. Ask more questions about covid tests only being 60% accurate. Get it on tape. Expose this bullshit.
Doesn't matter if it's on tape or not. Unfortunately it is true. It is already widely known the test is inaccurate and can generate false negative results. Google it.
He's talking about expose the fact that they're calling every single test a positive case and reporting it that way. that is a line that will go through the ages and justify more and more control. Expose the shit out of it before it is too late and history is changed to fit their narrative
And for a real 'trip down a stupid road' read the history of the 'discovery ' of Lyme disease. The woman campaigned for YEARS to get the AMA off its smug arse, and recognize the disease. And the name comes from the town in New Hampshire where she lived.
My cousin has it, and it's killing her slowly. Worst thing is tje medical profession formal treatment sucks, and insurance won't pay for alternative medicines. It's almost like Dr. Judy may be right and they just stay away from treating it for fear of exposing it's sketch origin.
Yes. Burrelia burgdorferi is a spirochete bacteria and the causative agent of Lyme Disease. It's a tricky little bug to study and treat because the antigens on the surface change depending on its growth stage and its location in the gut of the tick or the human body, so the immune system is tricked. That's why it can hang on for a long time and treatments can be tricky bc strains with certain mutations survive treatment and keep going.
Damn. That's good to know and thanks for the info. We have a nice chunk of land in the family that we are always out on the ticks are everywhere. Will be extra careful
For fun, assume 5% of the covid tests are false positive, or double counted (person got two tests and both were counted), or were actually tested for antibodies (which is great news and means you are now immune but they count that as covid positive!) or are an outright lie such as when people leave the line and later are told they tested positive:
5% times the ~700,000 tests done daily is 35,000 falsely counted cases. That would constitute well over 2/3 of the new cases.
There was show on PBS a few years back about Lyme disease. They explained how several doctors own the treatment to the disease, making it very hard to get effective treatment. Usually a few months on antibiotics is all they wil give you, when teens with acne can stay on antibiotics for years. Doesn’t make sense.
A friend of mine has it and has a doctor that goes against the ‘rules’.
When my dog got her first Lyme disease vaccination, I asked the Vet why they didn’t have this for humans, at first, she stated it isn’t safe. A couple of minutes went by when she was checking my dog. The Vet then turned and looked at me and said “it’s not for humans because they can’t make enough money from it”.
All that said, I hope you are ok, and don’t have it. Of you do, I can ask my friend who her doctor is and dm the info to you, if you would like.
Glad you got it cleared up for yourself. But, just so anyone reading this sees it, you can get lyme without the bullseye. If you find a tick in you, bullseye or not, get it checked out ASAP.
I live in an area endemic to Lyme's, so they don't even do the test. They just treat it. Not catching the bullseye and living with it for years can be permanently catastrophic to your body.
Yes. This is how they’re counting cases and it’s not getting out to the public. 1 person gets a positive test and every person they identify who was near that person will be counted as a potential positive then reported back to the overseers and there’s why we have spiking cases with plummeting death counts. It’s all political gaming.
They phove companies have activate without your notice am app that tracks where you have been and send it to a COVID tracking app. That is how they are tracking you.
This happened to me at a doctor's office before, not a covid test though. It's really pretty sad when they bring back test results for a test you never took. Obviously I never went back there, even though it was on of the wealthiest cities/hospitals in the country.
This shit is so fucking dystopian and insane. People could have just never been told that "covid 19" even existed and nobody would have even noticed. It would just be like "hey remember that slightly-worse-than-usual flu season back in 2020?"
Exactly. I keep trying to get this through to my friends who are at least a little smarter than average but it's nearly impossible. They just say "Oh but [d-list actor] died so it's real".
"Yes it's real... but the deaths are trending down everywhere that had it hard in April. It never really overran hospitals besides a few poorly equipped areas in Italy. The cases are double counted, testing is up like 5 or 6 times and the tests are probably not that accurate anyway. Even the CDC now lists the death rate as well under half of one percent. And-"
Unfortunately we only have posts like this and tweets and such. Hard to prove something that DIDN'T happen (like you didn't take the test but were given a positive result).
Was it a nasal swab? Just inside of the mouth? Or a saliva test? We all know about the issues with accuracy on the antibody tests and there are certainly issues with primer dimer errors on the PCR tests (i.e. diagnostic testing). It's very frustrating to see how entrenched big healthcare suppliers can be with healthcare networks. There are some small players with far more cost effective and sensitive tests that are trying to breakthrough in the US supplier networks but as us the case with everything else resistance to change is very real.
Depends on which company the test kit is from but there are definitely ones with great sensitivity and specificity like you mentioned. There are a lot of competitors in that market with really big players (e.g. Abbott, Roche, Cepheid (Danaher co.), Illumina) and smaller specialty players and as you would expect the bigger players have the established relationships but their tests aren't necessarily the best. Abbott has seemed to have the most trouble among the big guys and I like the Co-Diagnostics kit among the smaller players given their readouts on sensitivity and specificity. They've also got one of the most affordable tests and are based in Utah so I like their value proposition but that's jmo.
I haven't been able to find numbers on it. All the articles i read regarding the swab say something to the effect of "false positives are very rare", but they never give any numbers.
Maybe Health care has gone to Diablo and Wow rarities? Common -> Rare -> Exceptional - Legendary. So False positives are Rare, however a significant portion of the drops.
The RT-PCR (swab) test has a specificity in the upper 90% range. This means that if it shows positive, it is extremely likely that you have the virus. About the only time you can get a false positive is if the lab tech contaminates your sample with another sample that is truly positive (or the tech is infected and accidentally taints your sample).
The sensitivity of the RT-PCR is significantly lower. So much lower that the test can produce up to 30% false NEGATIVE results. Samples can also be gathered improperly causing false negatives. And depending on how far along you are in the infection also affects the possibility of detection by the test.
These false negatives is likely why OP's doctor said that they treat people that are symptomatic but test negative as having the virus. It's well known in the medical field that you cannot use RT-PCR alone to determine if someone isn't infected with COVID-SARS2. If a person tests negative and has the symptoms, they should be tested again in 24 hrs to verify, or just treat them as having the virus and ask them to quarantine for 14 days.
Personally, I think all of the ramped up PCR testing over the last month is causing enough false negatives that people who are actually infected think they have a green light to go back into the public and mingle and that is contributing to the latest spike in the number of infections.
I'm not on my desktop PC right now, but I can provide a few articles on the problems with the RT-PCR test and why it cannot be used alone to make a medical diagnosis if anyone is interested.
So false negatives are way more common/possible than false positives? I get that. But don't forget administrative errors. They sometimes amputate the wrong leg. Mistakes happen. And I'm sure they are somehow double counting many cases as well - like took two swabs and called it two cases.
Your definition of sensitivity and specificity are incorrect. Sensitivity is the probability of testing positive given you have the disease NOT the probability of having the disease given a positive test. You must invoke Bayes'Theorem to get that.
Specificity is the probability of testing negative given you don't have the disease.
Please read this and let me know if you still think that I've juxtaposed these definitions. Thanks!
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The term "sensitivity" indicates the ability of the test to detect the virus and minimise "false negative" result—that is, failing to detect the virus when it is actually present in a patient's sample. The performance of RT-PCR is not that good in this respect. There are reports of 15-30 percent "false negative" results, as the sources vary. So, if you test negative, you cannot be sure that you did not contract the infection. This kind of error with Covid-19 diagnosis may cause serious consequences. On the one hand, the infected individual may be deprived of necessary care; on the other hand, he/she may socialise with others considering themselves "not infected", keeping on transmitting the disease to others.
This and other fuckery is why I have no concern anymore about the virus. This is a political Dempanic and the goal is not public safety, it's gaining Democrat advantage in November.
I've been trying red pill as many people as possible by sharing my experience with H1N1 in 2009. There was little media coverage, no mask mandates, no "social distancing", no lockdowns, and no quarantines. They only counted H1N1 cases tested positive and they didn't attribute every death to H1N1. When I got my positive test result back over the phone they didn't even advise me to stay home from work.
I saw the comments about false positives. I was just discussing it with friends about an hour ago.
I generally considered them rumors because they were always "my friend said X" without any direct connection. I had someone say he knows two people that got the ol' "you tested positive" without ever going in treatment.
You want to know how deep the clown show goes? We haven’t even isolated any antibodies specific to a SARS-CoV-2 infection, so how the hell can we identify it with an antibody test?
My wife and I both came down with a HORRIBLE flu back in February just as this was hitting the headlines. We are healthy people who hardly ever get sick and this knocked us on our asses. Fever, chills, the whole bit.
She works in a hospital and when she called in sick and described her symptoms, they did a mandatory 14 day quarantine as policy. At the end of that (and she had recovered just fine after about 10 days), she had a mandatory test administered before returning to work.
It came back negative, but we are both 100% sure she had it and so did I. So just saying, the tests are shit.
Not that it matters. This thing is over. It was a bad flu. Big deal.
I am only here to up vote but commented to hopefully get this comment to rise so more people see it and any other false positives, we can inform the WH.
Even doctors don't understand false positive rates.
It's 60% not because only four out of ten positive caes test positive. It's because the tests are 99% accurate so if you test 100 negative people one comes back positive who shouldn't.
So where you have 4 positive cases sprinkled among 600 negative ones you get 4 true positives, 6 false positives, with a "60% inaccuracy rate"
The solution isn't to treat all 600 as though they are positive!! That's retarded!! The solution is to treat all positive cases as positive as a precaution until a second and then third test also come back positive.
Fuck your doctor is retarded find another. Would not trust them with anything related to my neighbors health let alone my own.
Chance you actually have the disease = (Accuracy of a positive test) * (Percent of population with the disease) / (Percent of population who get positives on the test)
I'm no medical expert, but have been reading a bit and I think many of these tests are not Covid19 specific, but are just checking for the presence of generic Corona virus's cells, which could be as simple as the common cold.
Then, given time or money, more accurate tests can be performed.
I hate the fact that no health departments appear to be completely honest about this. Or maybe they are, it's just not reported. The Covid19 testing page on the CDC is actually quite informative.
They are real spawns of satan, they can go without food for 5 years, they are blind, and have no blood. They literally sit there with their legs up in the air all day hoping to velcro to something waking by.
AOC and Bernie - they even practice the ritualistic dance as their followers march down the street. HANDS UP! DON'T SHOOT! - Clearly a pro-tick anti-pesticide rally chant. I've seen starship trooper.
Girl said a spot they picked for vacation made them pay for testing and they came back inconclusive. Sounds like a big fucking waste of time and a scam to me.
Sounds like a crappy place. CDC is saying 9% of tests are positive. Surely that includes tons of false positives, but if a place like this is calling 60% of their tests as positive then they're reporting well above the average that even the CDC is calling out.
I'll be honest, I don't trust my doctors. I pay them a lot of money, and I have them tell me what they learned in school. That's about it.
If I ever do go for a procedure or a medicine, I research the crap out of it. I read studies. I find contrary evidence.
But I earned my BS in Physics.
I tutored a lot of future doctors. Those people are pretty bad at math and logic. Too many of them are full of themselves too, and practice honest-to-gosh quackery based on the headlines of the NYT.
You're better off many times just taking advice from your grandmother. Many traditional herbs and treatments are pretty good.
Why even test. But hey pede, i had lymes last year. Awful. That test will pretty much always give a false neg until you develop antibodies in 6+ weeks.
In my experience based on talking to many others, the common denominator was night sweats, im talking ring you bed sheets out sweats. I had the until about a week and a half after i started doxy. I missed two weeks of work, literally could not do it, followed by about 6 weeks of a gradual improvement to about maybe 80% of my former activities. Maybe another 4 weeks to 95%. But what really sucked was the 6 weeks of doxy killing all my gut flora. My digestive system wasnt sqared away for over a hear.
Fucking ticks. What kind of tick was it? What region of the country are you in? Are you taking precautions now? I live in tickville hate them bastards.
gave blood yesterday. I see a sign in the pre test room ( checking temperature again and blood sample ) that says they were not testing for coronavirus. OK. Then Im told by a second person that they automatically test for covid antibodies, came from a company wide mandate three weeks ago. Tried to tell them I refuse, they looked at me strange. She says its so they can find people with antibodies so they can "help the old people" . she left and told someone but I figure Ill be added to the covid tolls this week. Corruption?
What state are you in, bud? I’m in Arkansas and right now we’re crawling with ticks and “covid cases.” Just got a mask mandate from the mayor, now that it’s getting really sunny and hot. 🤬
Yeah it's all bullshit. Most active cases they are reporting include probable cases, which means you don't even have to be tested to be considered an active case.
Except the likelihood of transferring the disease to someone in your house is something like only 20%. So with a positive test, you are only slightly more likely to have it than if you never took a test at all, and with a 20% chance of transferring it to someone, there's virtually no chance whatsoever you will ever get anyone sick.
Everything about this disease is utterly ridiculous. When all is said and done, people will be writing papers about whether it even existed.
Lyme's meets Covid-19: two of the most prominent failures of the healthcare system. For many years and still to this day.. some doctor's flat refuse to even acknowledge that Lyme's is real.
I had to go to 3 different doctors (With the lab results in hand saying it tested positive for Lymes!) and I got told i probably just had a flu (in the middle of August), then I was prescribed medicine for vertigo (because he knew a guy that got vertigo once.. I shit you not), then finally a nurse practitioner looked at me for 2 seconds (looked at the lab results), listened to me say I was tired, and immediately wrote a prescription for doxy. She was a little pissed that the 2nd doctor was also from her office.
I'm pretty sure I'm still suffering some after effects and flare ups because of how long it took to finally get diagnosed correctly.
girlfriend had Lymes a couple years ago. She never wants to go to the doctors, would rather tough it out, but she woke me up at around 11pm and said "take me to the hospital."
We were out camping so it was like a hour and a half drive to the hospital. They tested her for everything BUT Lymes. At one point I came back to check on her and they were giving her a sonogram to check for kidney stones or something. We even asked them to check for Lymes but the doc was like "its probably just a flu." Then we found a tick bite on the back of her knee and they finally took it seriously.
I found these things called Tick Tubes at the hardware store. They're basically toilet paper tubes filled with cotton and soaked in permethrin. I get a box every time we go to camp - https://www.myfrugalhome.com/how-to-make-tick-tubes/
About a week or two ago, I cancelled my physical that was scheduled for mid-July, because I didn't want to have to wear a mask, and I didn't want to get tested for the virus. I don't want to be part of this scam.
My wife's boss's friend went to his doctor, with a fever. They tested him twice. Each test came back negative, and the doctor looked him straight in the eye and said "I still think you have the corona virus". I would have gotten up and left that very second.
If you have Lyme's, you'll want to get yourself either a lot of Ionic Colloidal Silver Water from the health food store, or else, a Silvergen generator from Silvergen.com about $250, (there are about 5 other brands which are just as good, but I don't remember their names; there are about 50 shitty brands).
I bought one in 2006 because I had a severely compromised immune system from backpacking in India in 1994. Almost died.
You either pay big for the generator, or REALLY BIG for the water someone else makes, ($50 for 500ml).
Every silver ion kills one bacteria, and prevents a virus from replicating.
For 11 years I was sick about 7 months or more per year. After the gen, I taught school kids and didn't worry a bit when they had even the worst Flu.
Lyme tests are just as bad. They give you two. One is notorious for false negatives. One is notorious for false positives. Maybe they think two bad tests make a good one? I never had a positive in 4 of the first one. On the 5th test I finally convinced them to run the 2nd and I was off the charts positive. Went 2 months with acute illness and no treatment because my NP was following CDC guidelines to the letter.
It was this illness that I came to realize what “practicing medicine” really meant.
Doesnt that actually decrease the mortality rate though, so ultimately it makes us look good in 1 metric. On the other hand were getting more "positives" so it looks like a "second wave."
Don’t be mad at your doctor, be mad at the personal injury attorneys. If he tells a patient with a false negative test to break quarantine and that person then goes on to infect a bunch of others then Doc is gonna get sued by one of them if there’s a fatality.
Our lab technicians in Israel say that the virus test is very precise about 99% (PCR) and takes about 2-6 hours (depending on the machine), but antibodies are indeed not quite reliable (as there are many similar coronaviruses). But one should add time for delivering the sample to the lab, and registering the result, so it takes about 2 days.
I’m in the middle of Alaska and this one doctor that I have seen in the past for different issues told my wife to request the rapid test when she was told she had to get tested. Before she asked for the rapid test they told her it would take a week to get the results and she flipped out because of that so she called him and he said if she requested the rapid test they have to give it to you.
Hope you don't have Lyme, it can be a bitch.
Yes pede take Lyme disease very seriously. I had it for several years and didn't know it. I'm free of the bacteria now but many symptoms remain as flair ups so get it resolved quickly
Holy shit
Made one guy turn into a squid...
Turned me into a glass of orange juice. Good thing I didn’t spill.
Beetle...breakfast?
You touch some deer feces and then you...eat a sandwich without washin’ your hands and you got your Lyme disease!
slither watch party at my house!
i know all there is to know about the crying game
i've had my share. of the kryzyzying gahhaame....
love that scene.
Mayor MacReady was my favorite character in that. What kinda thing wants you to eat it?!?
Thats all i ever did hunting.
It turned me into a newt! ...I got better.
mixed moviephores...
james gunn X monty python... yes!
It killed Chuck Norris! But he's ok now.
Knew a co-worker who couldn't remember things only 20 minutes prior, wouldn't remember where they were going or why they were heading there - way worse than the usual "brain fart".
Fucking Lyme. They still have chronic fatigue from it to this day.
Saying a prayer for you not to have lyme or covid. My aunt has lime disease. When your doctor contacts you record the response. Ask more questions about covid tests only being 60% accurate. Get it on tape. Expose this bullshit.
Doesn't matter if it's on tape or not. Unfortunately it is true. It is already widely known the test is inaccurate and can generate false negative results. Google it.
He's talking about expose the fact that they're calling every single test a positive case and reporting it that way. that is a line that will go through the ages and justify more and more control. Expose the shit out of it before it is too late and history is changed to fit their narrative
Ah. Good catch. Thx.
"It turned me into a NEWT!!"
"i got better...."
And for a real 'trip down a stupid road' read the history of the 'discovery ' of Lyme disease. The woman campaigned for YEARS to get the AMA off its smug arse, and recognize the disease. And the name comes from the town in New Hampshire where she lived.
My cousin has it, and it's killing her slowly. Worst thing is tje medical profession formal treatment sucks, and insurance won't pay for alternative medicines. It's almost like Dr. Judy may be right and they just stay away from treating it for fear of exposing it's sketch origin.
What are the symptoms? Brain fog? Fatigue?
I thought it was viral is it a bacteria that causes Lyme disease?
Yes. Burrelia burgdorferi is a spirochete bacteria and the causative agent of Lyme Disease. It's a tricky little bug to study and treat because the antigens on the surface change depending on its growth stage and its location in the gut of the tick or the human body, so the immune system is tricked. That's why it can hang on for a long time and treatments can be tricky bc strains with certain mutations survive treatment and keep going.
Damn. That's good to know and thanks for the info. We have a nice chunk of land in the family that we are always out on the ticks are everywhere. Will be extra careful
For fun, assume 5% of the covid tests are false positive, or double counted (person got two tests and both were counted), or were actually tested for antibodies (which is great news and means you are now immune but they count that as covid positive!) or are an outright lie such as when people leave the line and later are told they tested positive:
5% times the ~700,000 tests done daily is 35,000 falsely counted cases. That would constitute well over 2/3 of the new cases.
There was show on PBS a few years back about Lyme disease. They explained how several doctors own the treatment to the disease, making it very hard to get effective treatment. Usually a few months on antibiotics is all they wil give you, when teens with acne can stay on antibiotics for years. Doesn’t make sense.
A friend of mine has it and has a doctor that goes against the ‘rules’.
When my dog got her first Lyme disease vaccination, I asked the Vet why they didn’t have this for humans, at first, she stated it isn’t safe. A couple of minutes went by when she was checking my dog. The Vet then turned and looked at me and said “it’s not for humans because they can’t make enough money from it”.
All that said, I hope you are ok, and don’t have it. Of you do, I can ask my friend who her doctor is and dm the info to you, if you would like.
Looks like there’s some interest here. Can you make a post?
Here are some links that are interesting
Link to the documentary ‘Under Our Skin’
https://www.lymedisease.org/under-our-skin-lyme-amazon-prime/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Our_Skin
Wiki page about the documentary
Some pbs stations chose not to air the documentary
https://www.lymedisease.org/uosyanked/
I’ve tried to find the pbs video. It was really good. I’ll try again. The whole vaccinations for dogs but not people angered me, tbh.
Corona with Lyme
Dont fruit the beer.
Beer? You must be mistaken, we are talking about Corona.
Okay that was pretty fucking funny
Nailed it
Shaken, not stirred.
I've gotten Lyme twice. Spotted the bullseye immediately and got treatment immediately. As long as you catch it early it's no big deal.
Glad you got it cleared up for yourself. But, just so anyone reading this sees it, you can get lyme without the bullseye. If you find a tick in you, bullseye or not, get it checked out ASAP.
I live in an area endemic to Lyme's, so they don't even do the test. They just treat it. Not catching the bullseye and living with it for years can be permanently catastrophic to your body.
That pop singer Avril Lavigne got it, and that was it for her career.
Same here, but only once
😁
Yes. This is how they’re counting cases and it’s not getting out to the public. 1 person gets a positive test and every person they identify who was near that person will be counted as a potential positive then reported back to the overseers and there’s why we have spiking cases with plummeting death counts. It’s all political gaming.
They phove companies have activate without your notice am app that tracks where you have been and send it to a COVID tracking app. That is how they are tracking you.
And it makes Trump look like he isn't handling the pandemic well, so there you go.
Mom said she heard a story about two women who got the at home tests, didn't even swab their mouths, sent the tests in and they came back positive.
I'm not sure if anyone here has mentioned that one or not.
This happened to me at a doctor's office before, not a covid test though. It's really pretty sad when they bring back test results for a test you never took. Obviously I never went back there, even though it was on of the wealthiest cities/hospitals in the country.
What do you mean "got out of line?" Who sent them letters? This comment is disturbing, I don't understand
Thanks! That's fucking crazy!!!
This shit is so fucking dystopian and insane. People could have just never been told that "covid 19" even existed and nobody would have even noticed. It would just be like "hey remember that slightly-worse-than-usual flu season back in 2020?"
Correct. But when they steal the election, they will use the virus as a rationale for why Trump lost. You get it?
He can't lose unless the Dems sabotage.
Exactly. I keep trying to get this through to my friends who are at least a little smarter than average but it's nearly impossible. They just say "Oh but [d-list actor] died so it's real".
"Yes it's real... but the deaths are trending down everywhere that had it hard in April. It never really overran hospitals besides a few poorly equipped areas in Italy. The cases are double counted, testing is up like 5 or 6 times and the tests are probably not that accurate anyway. Even the CDC now lists the death rate as well under half of one percent. And-"
"Hmm maybe but if you get it, it could kill you."
Sigh
I think they had made an online appointment ahead of time as well.that's how they had their contact information.
No, they got sick of waiting and left before getting their test.
Is this something you read on Facebook or was it an actual news story? I would really appreciate a link if you have one.
Unfortunately we only have posts like this and tweets and such. Hard to prove something that DIDN'T happen (like you didn't take the test but were given a positive result).
Was it a nasal swab? Just inside of the mouth? Or a saliva test? We all know about the issues with accuracy on the antibody tests and there are certainly issues with primer dimer errors on the PCR tests (i.e. diagnostic testing). It's very frustrating to see how entrenched big healthcare suppliers can be with healthcare networks. There are some small players with far more cost effective and sensitive tests that are trying to breakthrough in the US supplier networks but as us the case with everything else resistance to change is very real.
Depends on which company the test kit is from but there are definitely ones with great sensitivity and specificity like you mentioned. There are a lot of competitors in that market with really big players (e.g. Abbott, Roche, Cepheid (Danaher co.), Illumina) and smaller specialty players and as you would expect the bigger players have the established relationships but their tests aren't necessarily the best. Abbott has seemed to have the most trouble among the big guys and I like the Co-Diagnostics kit among the smaller players given their readouts on sensitivity and specificity. They've also got one of the most affordable tests and are based in Utah so I like their value proposition but that's jmo.
I haven't been able to find numbers on it. All the articles i read regarding the swab say something to the effect of "false positives are very rare", but they never give any numbers.
Maybe Health care has gone to Diablo and Wow rarities? Common -> Rare -> Exceptional - Legendary. So False positives are Rare, however a significant portion of the drops.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if they were using some fucked up definition of rare
"Rare- cool red center"
Or something of that nature.
The RT-PCR (swab) test has a specificity in the upper 90% range. This means that if it shows positive, it is extremely likely that you have the virus. About the only time you can get a false positive is if the lab tech contaminates your sample with another sample that is truly positive (or the tech is infected and accidentally taints your sample).
The sensitivity of the RT-PCR is significantly lower. So much lower that the test can produce up to 30% false NEGATIVE results. Samples can also be gathered improperly causing false negatives. And depending on how far along you are in the infection also affects the possibility of detection by the test.
These false negatives is likely why OP's doctor said that they treat people that are symptomatic but test negative as having the virus. It's well known in the medical field that you cannot use RT-PCR alone to determine if someone isn't infected with COVID-SARS2. If a person tests negative and has the symptoms, they should be tested again in 24 hrs to verify, or just treat them as having the virus and ask them to quarantine for 14 days.
Personally, I think all of the ramped up PCR testing over the last month is causing enough false negatives that people who are actually infected think they have a green light to go back into the public and mingle and that is contributing to the latest spike in the number of infections.
I'm not on my desktop PC right now, but I can provide a few articles on the problems with the RT-PCR test and why it cannot be used alone to make a medical diagnosis if anyone is interested.
So false negatives are way more common/possible than false positives? I get that. But don't forget administrative errors. They sometimes amputate the wrong leg. Mistakes happen. And I'm sure they are somehow double counting many cases as well - like took two swabs and called it two cases.
More people die every year from medical error than have died from China virus
Your definition of sensitivity and specificity are incorrect. Sensitivity is the probability of testing positive given you have the disease NOT the probability of having the disease given a positive test. You must invoke Bayes'Theorem to get that.
Specificity is the probability of testing negative given you don't have the disease.
Please read this and let me know if you still think that I've juxtaposed these definitions. Thanks!
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The term "sensitivity" indicates the ability of the test to detect the virus and minimise "false negative" result—that is, failing to detect the virus when it is actually present in a patient's sample. The performance of RT-PCR is not that good in this respect. There are reports of 15-30 percent "false negative" results, as the sources vary. So, if you test negative, you cannot be sure that you did not contract the infection. This kind of error with Covid-19 diagnosis may cause serious consequences. On the one hand, the infected individual may be deprived of necessary care; on the other hand, he/she may socialise with others considering themselves "not infected", keeping on transmitting the disease to others.
See my only top level post.
This and other fuckery is why I have no concern anymore about the virus. This is a political Dempanic and the goal is not public safety, it's gaining Democrat advantage in November.
I've been trying red pill as many people as possible by sharing my experience with H1N1 in 2009. There was little media coverage, no mask mandates, no "social distancing", no lockdowns, and no quarantines. They only counted H1N1 cases tested positive and they didn't attribute every death to H1N1. When I got my positive test result back over the phone they didn't even advise me to stay home from work.
I saw the comments about false positives. I was just discussing it with friends about an hour ago.
I generally considered them rumors because they were always "my friend said X" without any direct connection. I had someone say he knows two people that got the ol' "you tested positive" without ever going in treatment.
I don’t believe it at all. Either that or your doctor is soft in the head.
Most part of the healthcare system that exists today is one BIG SCAM. The doctors have no scruples.
You need a new doctor
elon musk said the same thing. 50% are false positives...
Alex Jones was right again. Banned dot video
I called this 3 months ago when people were bitching about lack of testing. My one and only top post outlines it.
You want to know how deep the clown show goes? We haven’t even isolated any antibodies specific to a SARS-CoV-2 infection, so how the hell can we identify it with an antibody test?
The CDC's own website says the antibody kit will test positive if the person in question has had the common cold within the last year.
Got the Lyme several years ago, good luck pede, hope you caught it early enough that it only sucks forever sometimes.
My wife and I both came down with a HORRIBLE flu back in February just as this was hitting the headlines. We are healthy people who hardly ever get sick and this knocked us on our asses. Fever, chills, the whole bit.
She works in a hospital and when she called in sick and described her symptoms, they did a mandatory 14 day quarantine as policy. At the end of that (and she had recovered just fine after about 10 days), she had a mandatory test administered before returning to work.
It came back negative, but we are both 100% sure she had it and so did I. So just saying, the tests are shit.
Not that it matters. This thing is over. It was a bad flu. Big deal.
The vast majority of people who present with COVID-19 symptoms do not have COVID-19.
So if you get tested, it is an auto positive?
Email this to the WH please. These numbers are really impacting the US on the world stage.
We need push back against MSM.
I am only here to up vote but commented to hopefully get this comment to rise so more people see it and any other false positives, we can inform the WH.
Even doctors don't understand false positive rates.
It's 60% not because only four out of ten positive caes test positive. It's because the tests are 99% accurate so if you test 100 negative people one comes back positive who shouldn't.
So where you have 4 positive cases sprinkled among 600 negative ones you get 4 true positives, 6 false positives, with a "60% inaccuracy rate"
The solution isn't to treat all 600 as though they are positive!! That's retarded!! The solution is to treat all positive cases as positive as a precaution until a second and then third test also come back positive.
Fuck your doctor is retarded find another. Would not trust them with anything related to my neighbors health let alone my own.
Math is hard. Doctors don't math well.
Bayes Theorem is a real jerk sometimes.
Chance you actually have the disease = (Accuracy of a positive test) * (Percent of population with the disease) / (Percent of population who get positives on the test)
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-bayess-theorem-an/
The fact that COVID-19 is super rare and the tests are not accurate at all means it's likely NO ONE has the disease.
I'm no medical expert, but have been reading a bit and I think many of these tests are not Covid19 specific, but are just checking for the presence of generic Corona virus's cells, which could be as simple as the common cold.
Then, given time or money, more accurate tests can be performed.
I hate the fact that no health departments appear to be completely honest about this. Or maybe they are, it's just not reported. The Covid19 testing page on the CDC is actually quite informative.
the current healthcare system should indeed burn down. calm down antifa I meant metaphorically.
It needs to be completely revamped.
This is how the new health care system should work.
You call your doctor. He comes to you or you go to him. He does what he thinks is right. He sends you a bill. You pay it.
If you are short on cash, or the procedure is expensive, he asks you for permission first.
This right here would lower health care costs to make it cheaper than your cell phone bill.
You have Lyme Disease? Another man-made Virus?
They are real spawns of satan, they can go without food for 5 years, they are blind, and have no blood. They literally sit there with their legs up in the air all day hoping to velcro to something waking by.
OMG 😂
AOC and Bernie - they even practice the ritualistic dance as their followers march down the street. HANDS UP! DON'T SHOOT! - Clearly a pro-tick anti-pesticide rally chant. I've seen starship trooper.
They stay hydrated by staying in grass and brush. Cut your lawn short, if you have one, and they will not venture onto it in the summer.
I think the nauseating pollution of my city kills them.
Yep you can have a common cold and they count it as COVID19.
(PSST: It is COVID-19.)
We shut down America for the common cold. Why? Because ORANGE MAN BAD.
Girl said a spot they picked for vacation made them pay for testing and they came back inconclusive. Sounds like a big fucking waste of time and a scam to me.
Sounds like a crappy place. CDC is saying 9% of tests are positive. Surely that includes tons of false positives, but if a place like this is calling 60% of their tests as positive then they're reporting well above the average that even the CDC is calling out.
I'll be honest, I don't trust my doctors. I pay them a lot of money, and I have them tell me what they learned in school. That's about it.
If I ever do go for a procedure or a medicine, I research the crap out of it. I read studies. I find contrary evidence.
But I earned my BS in Physics.
I tutored a lot of future doctors. Those people are pretty bad at math and logic. Too many of them are full of themselves too, and practice honest-to-gosh quackery based on the headlines of the NYT.
You're better off many times just taking advice from your grandmother. Many traditional herbs and treatments are pretty good.
Why even test. But hey pede, i had lymes last year. Awful. That test will pretty much always give a false neg until you develop antibodies in 6+ weeks.
In my experience based on talking to many others, the common denominator was night sweats, im talking ring you bed sheets out sweats. I had the until about a week and a half after i started doxy. I missed two weeks of work, literally could not do it, followed by about 6 weeks of a gradual improvement to about maybe 80% of my former activities. Maybe another 4 weeks to 95%. But what really sucked was the 6 weeks of doxy killing all my gut flora. My digestive system wasnt sqared away for over a hear.
I would take the covid.
Fucking ticks. What kind of tick was it? What region of the country are you in? Are you taking precautions now? I live in tickville hate them bastards.
You are not the first person that I have heard from this year about the nymph tick. So hard to find. I have resorted to soaking clothes in https://www.domyown.com/martins-permethrin-10-p-2124.html and spraying skin with https://rangerready.com
gave blood yesterday. I see a sign in the pre test room ( checking temperature again and blood sample ) that says they were not testing for coronavirus. OK. Then Im told by a second person that they automatically test for covid antibodies, came from a company wide mandate three weeks ago. Tried to tell them I refuse, they looked at me strange. She says its so they can find people with antibodies so they can "help the old people" . she left and told someone but I figure Ill be added to the covid tolls this week. Corruption?
Corona with Lyme....nice
Doxy is a miracle drug for tick bites. I just laid around all day from a reaction that I had from one and was good as new after a couple doses.
What state are you in, bud? I’m in Arkansas and right now we’re crawling with ticks and “covid cases.” Just got a mask mandate from the mayor, now that it’s getting really sunny and hot. 🤬
Wait, by 'Doxy' do you mean Hydroxychloroquine? If so, that's fantastic that the doctor isn't brainwashed enough to want to kill you.
Hydroxychloroquine also cures Lyme. Read up on it just in case you end up with it.
Yeah it's all bullshit. Most active cases they are reporting include probable cases, which means you don't even have to be tested to be considered an active case.
It makes sense as a precaution to make people stay home - however, it’s awful they have to report it as a positive case.
Except the likelihood of transferring the disease to someone in your house is something like only 20%. So with a positive test, you are only slightly more likely to have it than if you never took a test at all, and with a 20% chance of transferring it to someone, there's virtually no chance whatsoever you will ever get anyone sick.
Everything about this disease is utterly ridiculous. When all is said and done, people will be writing papers about whether it even existed.
HCQ+zinc, Pede.
Lyme's meets Covid-19: two of the most prominent failures of the healthcare system. For many years and still to this day.. some doctor's flat refuse to even acknowledge that Lyme's is real.
I had to go to 3 different doctors (With the lab results in hand saying it tested positive for Lymes!) and I got told i probably just had a flu (in the middle of August), then I was prescribed medicine for vertigo (because he knew a guy that got vertigo once.. I shit you not), then finally a nurse practitioner looked at me for 2 seconds (looked at the lab results), listened to me say I was tired, and immediately wrote a prescription for doxy. She was a little pissed that the 2nd doctor was also from her office.
I'm pretty sure I'm still suffering some after effects and flare ups because of how long it took to finally get diagnosed correctly.
girlfriend had Lymes a couple years ago. She never wants to go to the doctors, would rather tough it out, but she woke me up at around 11pm and said "take me to the hospital."
We were out camping so it was like a hour and a half drive to the hospital. They tested her for everything BUT Lymes. At one point I came back to check on her and they were giving her a sonogram to check for kidney stones or something. We even asked them to check for Lymes but the doc was like "its probably just a flu." Then we found a tick bite on the back of her knee and they finally took it seriously.
I found these things called Tick Tubes at the hardware store. They're basically toilet paper tubes filled with cotton and soaked in permethrin. I get a box every time we go to camp - https://www.myfrugalhome.com/how-to-make-tick-tubes/
What...?
About a week or two ago, I cancelled my physical that was scheduled for mid-July, because I didn't want to have to wear a mask, and I didn't want to get tested for the virus. I don't want to be part of this scam.
My wife's boss's friend went to his doctor, with a fever. They tested him twice. Each test came back negative, and the doctor looked him straight in the eye and said "I still think you have the corona virus". I would have gotten up and left that very second.
NEVER get tested for COVID-19. NEVER.
If you have Lyme's, you'll want to get yourself either a lot of Ionic Colloidal Silver Water from the health food store, or else, a Silvergen generator from Silvergen.com about $250, (there are about 5 other brands which are just as good, but I don't remember their names; there are about 50 shitty brands). I bought one in 2006 because I had a severely compromised immune system from backpacking in India in 1994. Almost died. You either pay big for the generator, or REALLY BIG for the water someone else makes, ($50 for 500ml). Every silver ion kills one bacteria, and prevents a virus from replicating. For 11 years I was sick about 7 months or more per year. After the gen, I taught school kids and didn't worry a bit when they had even the worst Flu.
Is this documented anywhere from a source in the healthcare field?
Lyme tests are just as bad. They give you two. One is notorious for false negatives. One is notorious for false positives. Maybe they think two bad tests make a good one? I never had a positive in 4 of the first one. On the 5th test I finally convinced them to run the 2nd and I was off the charts positive. Went 2 months with acute illness and no treatment because my NP was following CDC guidelines to the letter.
It was this illness that I came to realize what “practicing medicine” really meant.
Doesnt that actually decrease the mortality rate though, so ultimately it makes us look good in 1 metric. On the other hand were getting more "positives" so it looks like a "second wave."
Don’t be mad at your doctor, be mad at the personal injury attorneys. If he tells a patient with a false negative test to break quarantine and that person then goes on to infect a bunch of others then Doc is gonna get sued by one of them if there’s a fatality.
They "lost" my test, after 3 weeks of calling.
Our lab technicians in Israel say that the virus test is very precise about 99% (PCR) and takes about 2-6 hours (depending on the machine), but antibodies are indeed not quite reliable (as there are many similar coronaviruses). But one should add time for delivering the sample to the lab, and registering the result, so it takes about 2 days.
40% accurate= 100% bullshit. random is 50% lol
So, who is making big money off worthless testing? And WHY!?
2 day’s? Why didn’t you request the rapid test?
I’m in the middle of Alaska and this one doctor that I have seen in the past for different issues told my wife to request the rapid test when she was told she had to get tested. Before she asked for the rapid test they told her it would take a week to get the results and she flipped out because of that so she called him and he said if she requested the rapid test they have to give it to you.