Lets be very clear here though. The President did not say he supports the Confederate flag. The President did not say he is against the Confederate flag. He said it is your right as a free American to fly the flag. God bless this President
You mean I don't need to read 1,000 miles into that statement? Are you sure he didn't mean that he worships the confederacy and wishes they rise again only to take over SpaceX and create a white supremacist stronghold on Mars?
Exactly, the left has always taken freedom of speech to crazy levels. For example, they think they can say whatever they want but as soon you have an opinion that contradicts their ideas you are immediately told to shut up and that you can't have an opinion. The President did a fantastic job and sadly the left is going to demonize him because they can.
They push the limits of free speech not because they believe in freedom of speech. They do it because it's OUR rule, and the objective is to force us to adhere to OUR rules to the point where our adherence promotes our own downfall.
I was listening to carolla the other night and usually he points out when bald bryan is full of lefty shit but didn't pick up the logic on this one.
Basically BB asked, "Well what's the big difference the people who don't want to wear a mask are the same people who said the private business shouldn't have to bake the cake; now the private business says they have to wear a mask and fighting against that, well what is it guys the private business sets the rules or not?" in his condescending lefty tone...
Well the big difference is that they were forced to bake the cake. They didn't get to actually enforce their rules; which tells me that the rules a company makes up don't matter.
Lol but it’s such a retarded argument. It is free speech to display a swastika flag as well. Saying that dumbasses who like the Nazi flag are allowed to fly them if they wish, doesn’t mean one supports Nazism. Also, the Nazi flag is a part of German history, an enemy army that we defeated in WWII.
The Confederate flag is somewhat different, it’s a part of America’s history. To erase it is to erase our own history. And that’s wrong, no matter how much anyone dislikes the flag personally.
The men who flew the Confederate flag were Americans, just like those who flew the Union flag. And while slavery was a big part of that Civil War, many men supported that flag for many different reasons. And by the end of that war, both sides agreed to ending slavery.
Comparing the two is comparing apples to oranges and defending someone’s right to flying either flag doesn’t mean you support either of them.
The whole point of freedom of speech is to protect the speech that not everyone might want to hear or see. That way we are also free to denounce the ideas we don’t like, and make a case for the ideas we do like.
Liberals used to understand this concept. They still do, they’re just determined to destroy free speech on the internet because the truth about the current Establishment and the global Elites are spreading faster and to more people than ever before. All us plebs have instant access to information about how they’ve been screwing us for decades.
They can’t have that. So they’re using a bunch of useful morons and wannabe communists to try to eliminate freedom of speech on the internet. So they can continue to gaslight, AstroTurf, and propagandize their way to keeping their own personal puppets in control of the world’s governments and finance.
It’s as simple as that. And all this dumbass talk about erasing flags and statues and history is just the spillover of the wannabe communists being placated by the Establishment.
I really would because they want to overthrow the government.
That's where the limit should be, I think.
Say whatever you want, but when you start plotting to overthrow the very government that protects the right to say what you want, then you're in dangerous territory.
It's kind of a dilemma.
Like you want to be open-minded, but not so open that your brains fall out.
Never forget it was the ALCU themselves that fought tooth and nail for a group of Nazis to have the right to march through a Jewish neighborhood near Chicago. Back in the 1970s when the ALCU still stood for civil rights.
In my experience, Stars and Bars are similar to flying a state flag for a lot of folks. It's regional pride. If we had a Midwestern flag, I'd fly that shit proudly.
To many, myself included it means at least these two things:
*Self determination and refusal to be subjugated by an overbearing government, basically the principals of the original revolution. This is probably why they want to slander and demean the Betsy Ross flag as well. Seriously, every flag that signifies independence is attacked as racist, while the rainbow flag gets hoisted at our foreign embassies... sick!
*Honoring of family ancestors who answered the call of duty for their homeland and sacrificed to defend it. Even if they fought for the wrong team, they still deserve to be remembered for their bravery and willingness to lose everything for a higher cause. After all, it is never the soldiers that orchestrate the situations that lead to war, though they’re the ones who carry the burden of it. For the same reasons I applaud the Japanese, Germans, Vietnamese, et al who honor their warfighters, and hold no grudge that they fought for entities antithetical to our way of life.
Of course it was for the best that the north prevailed, but a shame that it had to come to war to bring the countries together. Had there not been a reunion the 20th century and everything that followed could have been much, much darker. The alternate history timelines exploring a southern victory or a permanent split are mind boggling...
At one of the Civil War memorials I went to as a kid, I remember the guide saying that when Lee officially surrendered at Appomattox, the Union soldiers started cheering, and Grant told them to be quiet and have some respect, because the Confederate army were their brothers and everyone who had died in the war was an American, even the ones in grey.
Hell, even Lincoln respected Lee so much he asked him to lead the Union Army. Meade was his second choice.
That says a lot. I trust that the people who lived through that time had a better picture of things than even the greatest modern historian. If they were able to reconcile and respect, to the degree which they did, then who are we to reopen the wounds they sought to heal?
Spent lots of time growing up in the south. There were plenty of black kids that proudly displayed the confederate flag because they were southerners and had that southern pride, just like everyone else.
In the case of big tech, section 230 has been carved out as a special handout for them just so they can accommodate speech without being punished through legal action.
If they don't support free speech I see no reason to give them that handout.
From anyone. Our Bill of Rights only guarantees us these freedoms as they relate to the government. if a business restricts speech, you do not have freedom of speech under that business.
I personally don't get the attraction to the Confederate flag but no shit it should be allowed. Your faggot flags are allowed and they offend the shit out of me with the idiocy.
Nobody has the freedom from being offended.
Stay the fuck home forever and ever if you can't survive being "offended" by everything.
This^. I find the closed black BLM fist flag offensive, but so what? You have the same freedoms I do, so go ahead and fly it. I can choose not to look.
The rainbow flags let LGBTQ Christians figure out where to go to church; and those opposed to it know where to avoid.
As someone in the first category, I want a church to be straightforward about their beliefs on it either way. If they disagree, I respect their honesty, leave them alone and go somewhere else.
What really makes us angry is when a church is not transparent, we invest our time and hearts, and then realize that they’re not affirming. If they clearly state that they’re not affirming from the start, I don’t care.
That’s why I use Church Clarity.
So if you don’t want a rainbow flag church, just look at the Non-Affirming churches on the Church Clarity database.
So biblically speaking, from what scriptures would a church justify that kind of doctrine?
Is it possible to have alcoholic, lying, gossiping, slandering, murdering, adulterer/ sexually immoral affirming churches?
Or should a church not affirm sin but teach the saving power of the gospel? You were once dead to sin but made alive in Christ? That you should die to your old sinful ways and live anew in Christ? We will all struggle with sin that's why we need a savior and his merciful grace. We all know that no one can obey the law perfectly but a church should not affirm and accept sinful behavior if someone claims to be a follower of Christ.
I am not advocating that someone who lives a LGBTQ lifestyle can not be saved. I am also not suggesting that they would not struggle with that sin the rest of their life. Jesus can save anyone. All who call on the name of the Lord will be saved. But we should display the fruits of our faith. Read the book of Roman's it has amazing doctrine about our sinful nature.
It's really telling that they choose to wage a war against the confederate flag and not the communist flag or black flag of islam flown by ISIS which is also flown on every other mosque in existence.
In terms of government intervention yes. You have the right to fly any flag you want. But if you fly a nazi flag proudly, that doesn't guarantee you to respect or kindness from your neighbors. Or any kind of job security, constitutionally speaking.
Of course, in the private sector. But civil rights shouldn't matter in the private sector, only in government jobs. If I don't want to hire you because you're gay, that should be my choice as the employer.
Everyone should listen to Milton Friedman. The private sector would filter all of these things out.
If it's socially acceptable for a bunch of toe sucking, thong wearing dudes with tits and ball gags to parade down main street while waving dildos (televised of course) then it's socially acceptable to hang the stars and bars above my garage work bench or at a Nascar race.
Attacks on Confederate monuments are a Trojan Horse for attacks on the Founding Fathers and America
If Confederates were evil for being slave owning separatists then the Founding Fathers were evil for being slave owning separatists. If the Founding Fathers are evil then the nation they founded must be evil.
It’s not the speech that is finite. It is the action of violence that is illegal, or the threat of violence (“threat” not being used in a lexiconical manner of expression, but in an actionable manner of impending danger).
And the legal test requires that it be immediate, realistic, and specific — “On its face and in the circumstances in which it is made is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to the person threatened, as to convey a gravity of purpose and imminent prospect of execution.”
Everything you said it's true. I was just qualifying the incorrect statement that "freedom of speech is not finite". That is legally false as set by Schenck v. United States
You are correct. Man, it's been decades since I had college Con Law, but as I recall, Schenck boiled down to "advocacy versus action." The prof simplified it by telling us basically it's fine to say, "This city should be burned to the ground," but not so fine to say, "C'mon, let's go burn this city to the ground." A fine line sometimes, but a line nonetheless.
Right. You can have a shirt that says “fuck the draft” but you can’t say “fire” in a crowded theater. I’m wondering how this translates to our time now. Unfortunately it seems like on the left you can say almost anything.
As a black man I work my ass off, smoke good weed and play video games, last thing I'm going to get triggered over is a damn Confederate flag. I didn't even know people still held on to Confederate flags that's how much of a fuck I give.
People need to get their priorities straight and get triggered over more important things like top government officials having sex with children.
The kiddie diddlers in the government AND the media would rather have the unwashed masses debating about racist pancake mix and flags instead of their sexcapades thank you very much.
I agree with Trump on this issue I wished more pedes would jump on this train. Just because you don't live in the south you should join us or the next canceled flag will be yours.
Ultimately I respect the martial spirit of the American Southerner. It's an important part of American history and culture. I can condemn human sacrifice while still respecting the warrior spirit of the Aztecs. The same is true of slavery and Confederate soldiers.
I agree with him. I do not support the Confederate flag. The Confederate south lost. It will not rise again, neither will slavery
But if your ancestors fought and died for the Confederacy, if the Confederacy is intrinsically tied to your state's history, you should be able to display or fly it freely as long as it is always beneath the one true flag worth dying for
I got a rebel flag. It’s got a giant marijuana leaf on it. I bought it from a black guy in Oklahoma, he owns a rebel flag store.
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Anyone who has studied the civil war knows it was never fought over slavery, Lincoln wasnt some saint he was a brutal war general, and the north offered the south a constitutional amendment to secure slavery nationwide which they didnt take (Corwin amendment). We've been fed a lie about the civil war... the north were never the good guys. They offered abolishment of slavery due to the writing on the wall saying it was politically advantageous. Dems controlled the presidency at the time.
I support the display of the Concederate Flag and I say this as a mixed race American with a Hispanic mother.
If you want to draw the line at burning the nation's flag, you are on safe ground. Treason is not protected speech. Burning the US flag is closer to treason than art.
Coming from a Southern elderpede, one who grew up watching Dukes of Hazzard, and all the reruns. The Stars and Bars was turned away from meaning anything that had to do with slavery and more about being a Southern Rebel... Some one who ran the General Lee (a car) off jumps and running from the law. People knew the history but all around me counted the flag toward being a Rebel and Southern Pride is all. Also remember back then all the States were considered their own country. The Confederates were fighting for their State/Country. The Federal Government was NOT as strong as it is today.
But please remember, the decision to include it on the General and the idea to include it in Lynyrd Skynyrd's image were marketing decisions from executives within the companies. Who controls the media companies? Just some food for thought
It is, you may not like it, but its freedom of speech.
Its sad cause i grew up with the meaning of that flag as being a rebel and nothing more. Leave it to democrats to make it racist again. So tired of their shit
I had to turn off Scott Adams today because he basically said there is freedom of speech except for your opinions on the confederate flag and then started rambling about how trump is throwing the election.
Even as a kid, barely a teenager, we used to say that to each other: I disagree with what you say (or are about to say) but I defend to the death your right to say it. Or a variation of that.
I remember when Westboro Baptist Church were popular doing their thing and the general response was "well its freedom of speech". Nobody was trying to cancel any of them.
Confederate soldiers are de facto US vets. They should be respected just the same as any other US soldier, by denying them the respect, you are denying every other soldier respect.
It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the Confederacy.
I'm from the Deep South. Seen the rebel flag my whole life, never owned one, probably never will. The only people you see flying the flag are usually young boys on the back of a truck or boat, or maybe an ol' timer in his yard usually beside the American flag. Never saw it as racist. When I see one I just think of the Old South and no not the racist, Jim Crowe, KKK South, just the old South with antebellum homes, magnolia trees, sweet tea, and down home cooking. When people say heritage, to me that's what they're talking about. Most people fly it for nostalgia or maybe to show they're rebellious side, not for hate. I love Lynyrd Skynyrd and when I watch old concert footage and they drop the rebel flag, I'm like Hell yeah. They were some good ol' boys from the South rocking and raising Hell. If you were offended by a rebel flag then you probably wasn't the kinda of folks that should be at a Skynyrd concert. They were rebels so they flew the rebel flag, that's who they were, not racists, just rebels.
Of course it is, and "Offensive speech" is the only kind that requires absolute protection. There's no reason to declare freedom of in-offensive speech.
In the movie "Hunt for the Unicorn Killer", Holly Maddux's father hung a Nazi flag in the Maddux family living room. He had fought in World War 2, and felt proud to have been part of the liberation of Europe from Fascism. Ira Einhorn pretended to be butthurt about it (being of Jewish heritage) and told all his friends that Holly's father was a Fascist.
When I see the confederate flag I think about the issues that ripped this country apart and yes, I think about the emancipation of slaves. I would not want its display to be banned.
It is
Absolutely
Lets be very clear here though. The President did not say he supports the Confederate flag. The President did not say he is against the Confederate flag. He said it is your right as a free American to fly the flag. God bless this President
"Trump's bed sheets are the confederate flag, made with 100% hand-picked cotton" - CNN probably
Antebellum cotton. Because he claims it is softer.
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It is antebellum cotton hand stitched from Scarlett O'Hara's draperies.
I don't think you're allowed to reference that movie anymore.
I know a black dude who refuses to take Tylenol because he's too proud to pick the cotton off of the bottle.
I haven’t heard that since 1988.
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Today referred to as Lady A cotton.
Hand sewn by The Chicks?
*anti-BLM cotton
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It is being reported. "By who?" By us.
Cotton reclaimed from Aunt Jemima's do-rag that's on display in the Smithsonian.
Hand-picked cotton picked by slaves!!!! REEEE!
Literally their top story yesterday was some "analysis" that Trump was running as the last president of the Confederacy.
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CNN would say "If our assholes weren't so fucking expansive, he would be quite satisfying".
They said he supports the confederate flag and is a hypocrite cause he said it belongs in a museum (when asked if a state should fly it).
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You mean I don't need to read 1,000 miles into that statement? Are you sure he didn't mean that he worships the confederacy and wishes they rise again only to take over SpaceX and create a white supremacist stronghold on Mars?
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Hey -- the South WILL rise again.
It's already in progress.
Sending white supremacists to mars might actually be a pretty popular proposal.
It ain't like Africa is launching any rockets into space.
Exactly, the left has always taken freedom of speech to crazy levels. For example, they think they can say whatever they want but as soon you have an opinion that contradicts their ideas you are immediately told to shut up and that you can't have an opinion. The President did a fantastic job and sadly the left is going to demonize him because they can.
And unfortunately for them, he was never monetized in the first place (He's not taking a salary). So what're they going to do, call him names?
I do remember him saying he wasn't going to be taking the presidential salary right after he became president
And he hasn't, he's been donating quarterly to various government agencies as a token of support. Things like National Park Service: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/us/politics/national-park-service-trump-salary.html
It's straight out of Rules for Radicals.
They push the limits of free speech not because they believe in freedom of speech. They do it because it's OUR rule, and the objective is to force us to adhere to OUR rules to the point where our adherence promotes our own downfall.
https://youtu.be/QdUp1VLfVqo I just found this video right before reading your comment
I was listening to carolla the other night and usually he points out when bald bryan is full of lefty shit but didn't pick up the logic on this one.
Basically BB asked, "Well what's the big difference the people who don't want to wear a mask are the same people who said the private business shouldn't have to bake the cake; now the private business says they have to wear a mask and fighting against that, well what is it guys the private business sets the rules or not?" in his condescending lefty tone...
Well the big difference is that they were forced to bake the cake. They didn't get to actually enforce their rules; which tells me that the rules a company makes up don't matter.
Lol but it’s such a retarded argument. It is free speech to display a swastika flag as well. Saying that dumbasses who like the Nazi flag are allowed to fly them if they wish, doesn’t mean one supports Nazism. Also, the Nazi flag is a part of German history, an enemy army that we defeated in WWII.
The Confederate flag is somewhat different, it’s a part of America’s history. To erase it is to erase our own history. And that’s wrong, no matter how much anyone dislikes the flag personally.
The men who flew the Confederate flag were Americans, just like those who flew the Union flag. And while slavery was a big part of that Civil War, many men supported that flag for many different reasons. And by the end of that war, both sides agreed to ending slavery.
Comparing the two is comparing apples to oranges and defending someone’s right to flying either flag doesn’t mean you support either of them.
The whole point of freedom of speech is to protect the speech that not everyone might want to hear or see. That way we are also free to denounce the ideas we don’t like, and make a case for the ideas we do like.
Liberals used to understand this concept. They still do, they’re just determined to destroy free speech on the internet because the truth about the current Establishment and the global Elites are spreading faster and to more people than ever before. All us plebs have instant access to information about how they’ve been screwing us for decades.
They can’t have that. So they’re using a bunch of useful morons and wannabe communists to try to eliminate freedom of speech on the internet. So they can continue to gaslight, AstroTurf, and propagandize their way to keeping their own personal puppets in control of the world’s governments and finance.
It’s as simple as that. And all this dumbass talk about erasing flags and statues and history is just the spillover of the wannabe communists being placated by the Establishment.
Should be the same as the hammer and sickle. Or the ChiCom flag. Fly them if you want. Just lets me know who not to associate with.
I would disagree with the hammer and sickle.
I really would because they want to overthrow the government.
That's where the limit should be, I think.
Say whatever you want, but when you start plotting to overthrow the very government that protects the right to say what you want, then you're in dangerous territory.
It's kind of a dilemma.
Like you want to be open-minded, but not so open that your brains fall out.
But it is though.
True. This is the USA, not Germany.
Never forget it was the ALCU themselves that fought tooth and nail for a group of Nazis to have the right to march through a Jewish neighborhood near Chicago. Back in the 1970s when the ALCU still stood for civil rights.
In my experience, Stars and Bars are similar to flying a state flag for a lot of folks. It's regional pride. If we had a Midwestern flag, I'd fly that shit proudly.
To many, myself included it means at least these two things:
*Self determination and refusal to be subjugated by an overbearing government, basically the principals of the original revolution. This is probably why they want to slander and demean the Betsy Ross flag as well. Seriously, every flag that signifies independence is attacked as racist, while the rainbow flag gets hoisted at our foreign embassies... sick!
*Honoring of family ancestors who answered the call of duty for their homeland and sacrificed to defend it. Even if they fought for the wrong team, they still deserve to be remembered for their bravery and willingness to lose everything for a higher cause. After all, it is never the soldiers that orchestrate the situations that lead to war, though they’re the ones who carry the burden of it. For the same reasons I applaud the Japanese, Germans, Vietnamese, et al who honor their warfighters, and hold no grudge that they fought for entities antithetical to our way of life.
/end rant
Of course it was for the best that the north prevailed, but a shame that it had to come to war to bring the countries together. Had there not been a reunion the 20th century and everything that followed could have been much, much darker. The alternate history timelines exploring a southern victory or a permanent split are mind boggling...
At one of the Civil War memorials I went to as a kid, I remember the guide saying that when Lee officially surrendered at Appomattox, the Union soldiers started cheering, and Grant told them to be quiet and have some respect, because the Confederate army were their brothers and everyone who had died in the war was an American, even the ones in grey.
Hell, even Lincoln respected Lee so much he asked him to lead the Union Army. Meade was his second choice.
That says a lot. I trust that the people who lived through that time had a better picture of things than even the greatest modern historian. If they were able to reconcile and respect, to the degree which they did, then who are we to reopen the wounds they sought to heal?
Spent lots of time growing up in the south. There were plenty of black kids that proudly displayed the confederate flag because they were southerners and had that southern pride, just like everyone else.
His heritage is still worth a hell of a lot more than your worthless ass, liberal scum.
The campground lots at Darlington and ‘Dega have a minimum of 10 stars and bars per row.
Perfectly reasonable statements from a very stable genius. Media goons scream in terror.
If we have no freedom from consequences, then it isn't free.
No, that's absurd. The constitution only protects your speech from the government. Free speech absolutely has consequences in the real world.
In the case of big tech, section 230 has been carved out as a special handout for them just so they can accommodate speech without being punished through legal action.
If they don't support free speech I see no reason to give them that handout.
I don't why you're getting downvoted.
You have every right to tell your boss she's an evil witch.
And she has every right to fire your behind.
People have the right to fly the confederate flag.
And other people have the right to judge them for it.
...He's right though?
Try again. That's not an argument.
Lol but you have time to make insults and say absolutely nothing.
Freedom of speech is protection from the law. Not protection "from consequences"
Other people have freedom to not associate with you if they don't like what you say.
From anyone. Our Bill of Rights only guarantees us these freedoms as they relate to the government. if a business restricts speech, you do not have freedom of speech under that business.
Hurt feelings isn't illegal and it should never be. No government on Earth should be allowed to regulate speech in any way.
"What's legal is what I'm comfortable with being legal. What is legal is what I like, nothing more!"
Rights are rights. 1A especially was made so that unpopular and even hurtful speech would be allowed.
2A protects all rights, and BY GAWD would you look at that, it's damn near 2A o' clock.
I personally don't get the attraction to the Confederate flag but no shit it should be allowed. Your faggot flags are allowed and they offend the shit out of me with the idiocy.
Nobody has the freedom from being offended.
Stay the fuck home forever and ever if you can't survive being "offended" by everything.
This^. I find the closed black BLM fist flag offensive, but so what? You have the same freedoms I do, so go ahead and fly it. I can choose not to look.
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The rainbow flags let LGBTQ Christians figure out where to go to church; and those opposed to it know where to avoid.
As someone in the first category, I want a church to be straightforward about their beliefs on it either way. If they disagree, I respect their honesty, leave them alone and go somewhere else.
What really makes us angry is when a church is not transparent, we invest our time and hearts, and then realize that they’re not affirming. If they clearly state that they’re not affirming from the start, I don’t care.
That’s why I use Church Clarity.
So if you don’t want a rainbow flag church, just look at the Non-Affirming churches on the Church Clarity database.
Affirming what? That they accept homosexuality as a lifestyle that's not sinful?
Yeah, that’s what affirming would be.
I think that many wonderful Christians fall on both sides of the debate.
I also hate cancel culture, and although I’m affirming, CFA is my favorite restaurant and they do a ton of good in this world.
So biblically speaking, from what scriptures would a church justify that kind of doctrine?
Is it possible to have alcoholic, lying, gossiping, slandering, murdering, adulterer/ sexually immoral affirming churches?
Or should a church not affirm sin but teach the saving power of the gospel? You were once dead to sin but made alive in Christ? That you should die to your old sinful ways and live anew in Christ? We will all struggle with sin that's why we need a savior and his merciful grace. We all know that no one can obey the law perfectly but a church should not affirm and accept sinful behavior if someone claims to be a follower of Christ.
I am not advocating that someone who lives a LGBTQ lifestyle can not be saved. I am also not suggesting that they would not struggle with that sin the rest of their life. Jesus can save anyone. All who call on the name of the Lord will be saved. But we should display the fruits of our faith. Read the book of Roman's it has amazing doctrine about our sinful nature.
I agree. Most LGBTQ affirming churches have a case of Trump Derangement Syndrome which is sad.
I avoid mixing politics & faith but I would have to hide that portion of me in churches with TDS...
It's really telling that they choose to wage a war against the confederate flag and not the communist flag or black flag of islam flown by ISIS which is also flown on every other mosque in existence.
Lol. Dangerously based.
I'm with this guy
Try calling it “assault speech”, you maggot-rearing red-snotted commie dick-guzzlers, nobody gives a damn about your “hate”.
If you can burn the American flag, you should be able to fly any flag. Even the Nazi flag. None of us may like that, but it's true freedom.
Kayleigh should say exactly this next time they ask her about it. Perfect
Kayleigh could also remark about the Antifa flag.
In terms of government intervention yes. You have the right to fly any flag you want. But if you fly a nazi flag proudly, that doesn't guarantee you to respect or kindness from your neighbors. Or any kind of job security, constitutionally speaking.
Under existing labor laws there are penalties for discrimination based on non-work related political speech, in some instances
I suppose if the boss couldn't explicitly state "it's because of all the swastikas on your desk" they'd have to come up with an excuse
Of course, in the private sector. But civil rights shouldn't matter in the private sector, only in government jobs. If I don't want to hire you because you're gay, that should be my choice as the employer.
Everyone should listen to Milton Friedman. The private sector would filter all of these things out.
weird that you are getting downvoted. I cant quite figure out why.
My suspicion is it's partly ignorance, but also shills who have infiltrated here and nudging this community in a certain direction.
I was really hoping/waiting for her to say something like that.
Instead of Nazi they should say communist. Because communism is much worse
Left wants to be able to burn the American flag all they want, but wants the President to ban the confederate flag?
Can't have it both ways. Free speech sometimes means speech you don't want to hear.
If it's socially acceptable for a bunch of toe sucking, thong wearing dudes with tits and ball gags to parade down main street while waving dildos (televised of course) then it's socially acceptable to hang the stars and bars above my garage work bench or at a Nascar race.
Also, fuck Nascar.
Attacks on Confederate monuments are a Trojan Horse for attacks on the Founding Fathers and America
If Confederates were evil for being slave owning separatists then the Founding Fathers were evil for being slave owning separatists. If the Founding Fathers are evil then the nation they founded must be evil.
Almost like they want to get rid of every flag that isn't red and yellow.
Leftists don't believe in free speech. They don't think people can be trusted to do the right thing, so the state has to do it for them.
People have never read the constitution.
But enough about the Supreme Court.
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Kek
They have but that is just a "book" that they want to burn.
Just because you hate certain speech doesn’t make it hate speech. Freedom of speech is not finite.
But it is finite, the courts say so. Freedom of speech does not extend to inciting violence.
Saying “black lives matter” has incited more violence than any other phrase this year. A related sentiment even incited a civil war!
People getting triggered by a phrase is different than the burden of proof according to the SCOTUS which is "clear and present danger"
It’s not the speech that is finite. It is the action of violence that is illegal, or the threat of violence (“threat” not being used in a lexiconical manner of expression, but in an actionable manner of impending danger).
And the legal test requires that it be immediate, realistic, and specific — “On its face and in the circumstances in which it is made is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to the person threatened, as to convey a gravity of purpose and imminent prospect of execution.”
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/534/1020/339062/
Everything you said it's true. I was just qualifying the incorrect statement that "freedom of speech is not finite". That is legally false as set by Schenck v. United States
You are correct. Man, it's been decades since I had college Con Law, but as I recall, Schenck boiled down to "advocacy versus action." The prof simplified it by telling us basically it's fine to say, "This city should be burned to the ground," but not so fine to say, "C'mon, let's go burn this city to the ground." A fine line sometimes, but a line nonetheless.
Right. You can have a shirt that says “fuck the draft” but you can’t say “fire” in a crowded theater. I’m wondering how this translates to our time now. Unfortunately it seems like on the left you can say almost anything.
Free Speech isn’t for saying nice things, faggots.
You either believe in Freedom of Speech or legislating against Hate Speech, no middle ground.
Kek, you think liberals are logical.
They would say something along the lines of "I support freedom of speech, except for being racist"
-and everyone clapped.
As a black man I work my ass off, smoke good weed and play video games, last thing I'm going to get triggered over is a damn Confederate flag. I didn't even know people still held on to Confederate flags that's how much of a fuck I give.
People need to get their priorities straight and get triggered over more important things like top government officials having sex with children.
Aren't you worried that statues of General Lee are going to come to life and murder you?
They do that, right?
You reminded me of a cartoon there was an episode where two giant statues of former presidents were fighting in the middle of the city.
Forgot who and what show it was, might have been Dexter's Laboratory.
The kiddie diddlers in the government AND the media would rather have the unwashed masses debating about racist pancake mix and flags instead of their sexcapades thank you very much.
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^faggot leftists
MAGA on, bro.
I agree with Trump on this issue I wished more pedes would jump on this train. Just because you don't live in the south you should join us or the next canceled flag will be yours.
I’ve always been on the side of free speech for the simple reason is it allows others to see exactly who people are.
The virtuous and the depraved alike.
Ultimately I respect the martial spirit of the American Southerner. It's an important part of American history and culture. I can condemn human sacrifice while still respecting the warrior spirit of the Aztecs. The same is true of slavery and Confederate soldiers.
Fact. Your feelings do not matter.
Exactly, and it does not mean "racism" and "slavery" to those that love that flag. It's insane what people are trying to do with it.
Oh man, this is gonna piss off some lefties
All I can think is, “Poor Kayleigh.”
Did he actually say it?
if flag burning is free speech (I will never accept it is) then someone displaying a Confederate flag is too
I can't believe this even has to be said. Full tilt clown world. HONK HONK bitches
I agree with him. I do not support the Confederate flag. The Confederate south lost. It will not rise again, neither will slavery
But if your ancestors fought and died for the Confederacy, if the Confederacy is intrinsically tied to your state's history, you should be able to display or fly it freely as long as it is always beneath the one true flag worth dying for
I got a rebel flag. It’s got a giant marijuana leaf on it. I bought it from a black guy in Oklahoma, he owns a rebel flag store.
Fuck I love this timeline.
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Wow.
So basically republicans are now the anti-censorship party?
That's a very liberal value.
Anyone who has studied the civil war knows it was never fought over slavery, Lincoln wasnt some saint he was a brutal war general, and the north offered the south a constitutional amendment to secure slavery nationwide which they didnt take (Corwin amendment). We've been fed a lie about the civil war... the north were never the good guys. They offered abolishment of slavery due to the writing on the wall saying it was politically advantageous. Dems controlled the presidency at the time.
I support the display of the Concederate Flag and I say this as a mixed race American with a Hispanic mother.
The civil war has to be the most misunderstood war in our history.
If you want to draw the line at burning the nation's flag, you are on safe ground. Treason is not protected speech. Burning the US flag is closer to treason than art.
Based and True
hopefully
The irony is the Confederate flag is the democrat flag.
I dont even like the confederate flag. But free speech is free speech
Durr.
I don't give a shit about the stupid rebel flag, but I damn sure won't try to take it from people who do, or ask them to justify why they do.
Coming from a Southern elderpede, one who grew up watching Dukes of Hazzard, and all the reruns. The Stars and Bars was turned away from meaning anything that had to do with slavery and more about being a Southern Rebel... Some one who ran the General Lee (a car) off jumps and running from the law. People knew the history but all around me counted the flag toward being a Rebel and Southern Pride is all. Also remember back then all the States were considered their own country. The Confederates were fighting for their State/Country. The Federal Government was NOT as strong as it is today.
States might as well be countries even still.
But please remember, the decision to include it on the General and the idea to include it in Lynyrd Skynyrd's image were marketing decisions from executives within the companies. Who controls the media companies? Just some food for thought
FREEDOM OF SPEECH
FUCK YOU SHILLS
Dont believe me? Then ask this black lady what she thinks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6PXEtrHPPQ
Or ask a black man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHqa2uFw2Vc
Yep, but stop trying to inject facts into a leftist argument, they won't stand for it! LOL
It is, you may not like it, but its freedom of speech.
Its sad cause i grew up with the meaning of that flag as being a rebel and nothing more. Leave it to democrats to make it racist again. So tired of their shit
Trump has gigantic gilded balls.
Hate crimes aren't real crimes. Either it was a crime or it wasn't. Cleaning up graffiti isn't a crime in my book.
Every single person who flies a Confederate flag loves America far more than everybody howling and shrieking about how the Confederate flag is racist.
I had to turn off Scott Adams today because he basically said there is freedom of speech except for your opinions on the confederate flag and then started rambling about how trump is throwing the election.
He can be such a pain sometimes.
I don't listen to him anymore.
Is what we should return to
is the most Orwellian shit ever
They are both true.
However, I grew up with the former.
Even as a kid, barely a teenager, we used to say that to each other: I disagree with what you say (or are about to say) but I defend to the death your right to say it. Or a variation of that.
I remember when Westboro Baptist Church were popular doing their thing and the general response was "well its freedom of speech". Nobody was trying to cancel any of them.
Confederate soldiers are de facto US vets. They should be respected just the same as any other US soldier, by denying them the respect, you are denying every other soldier respect.
It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with the Confederacy.
Thank you. I think confederate soldiers should be in the garden of heroes so they have a place where they are safe. I fear it won't happen though.
Okay - time for payback.
Somebody needs to get permission paint a confederate flag on DC on the SAME STREET that gave permission to paint Black Lives Matter.
It HAS to be allowed and if it's painted over - it's a hate crime.
Make them own their own rules!
those comments on the OAN site give me good feels
If free speech protects burning American flags, then it must protect flying a Confederate flag.
I'm from the Deep South. Seen the rebel flag my whole life, never owned one, probably never will. The only people you see flying the flag are usually young boys on the back of a truck or boat, or maybe an ol' timer in his yard usually beside the American flag. Never saw it as racist. When I see one I just think of the Old South and no not the racist, Jim Crowe, KKK South, just the old South with antebellum homes, magnolia trees, sweet tea, and down home cooking. When people say heritage, to me that's what they're talking about. Most people fly it for nostalgia or maybe to show they're rebellious side, not for hate. I love Lynyrd Skynyrd and when I watch old concert footage and they drop the rebel flag, I'm like Hell yeah. They were some good ol' boys from the South rocking and raising Hell. If you were offended by a rebel flag then you probably wasn't the kinda of folks that should be at a Skynyrd concert. They were rebels so they flew the rebel flag, that's who they were, not racists, just rebels.
I never thought my Freedom Boner would get THIS large.
Of course it is, and "Offensive speech" is the only kind that requires absolute protection. There's no reason to declare freedom of in-offensive speech.
In the movie "Hunt for the Unicorn Killer", Holly Maddux's father hung a Nazi flag in the Maddux family living room. He had fought in World War 2, and felt proud to have been part of the liberation of Europe from Fascism. Ira Einhorn pretended to be butthurt about it (being of Jewish heritage) and told all his friends that Holly's father was a Fascist.
When I see the confederate flag I think about the issues that ripped this country apart and yes, I think about the emancipation of slaves. I would not want its display to be banned.
Yeeeeeeeeeee Haw! Dixie is heritage not hate
Seems like it shouldn't require an explanation, and yet, these are the time we're all living in.
"THE CONFEDERATE FLAG IS RAYCISS," screamed the skinny white 19-year-old in black waving the hammer and sickle.
lol
twatter is going to fucking lose it.
Holy shit. This man has balls! You love to see it. 4 more years! He tripled down!!!!
He is 100% correct, however it is going to look real bad.