So far today, they have announced two wins from SCOTUS... the first:
The Supreme Court on Wednesday voted 7-2 to uphold rules established by the Trump administration that would allow employers with sincerely held moral or religious objections to deny their employees access to free contraceptive coverage.
The rules broadened a carve out to the contraceptive coverage mandate included in the Affordable Care Act, the health-care overhaul commonly known as Obamacare. According to government estimates, the religious exemption would lead to possibly as many 125,000 women losing their coverage.
Justice Clarence Thomas, who authored the opinion of the court, wrote that the Trump administration “had the authority to provide exemptions from the regulatory contraceptive requirements for employers with religious and conscientious objections.”
The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that the Little Sisters of the Poor is exempt from an Obama-era mandate to provide contraception in their healthcare plans.
The case, Little Sisters of the Poor v. Pennsylvania, marked the Catholic religious order’s second time before the Supreme Court, after nearly 10 years of legal dispute. It arose when the New Jersey and Pennsylvania state governments sued the Trump administration for exempting the Little Sisters from the contraception mandate.
The exemption, issued in the form of a 2017 executive order from President Trump, stated that the religious order is protected from “undue interference from the federal government.” Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar recommitted to that position the following year with guidelines exempting religious nonprofit groups from contraception requirements outlined in the 2010 Affordable Care Act.
Note: Can anyone here in a concise way, explain the difference between this case, and hobby lobby which was just a few years ago? In a cursory perusal, they look pretty much the same, why would the supreme court take up this case, so close to the last?
The Second Win coming from the issue of Religious Schools being targets of law suits from teacher's whose lifestyle themselves, conflict with the teachings of the schools..
Supreme Court shields religious schools from discrimination suits brought by teachers
The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled 7-2 in favor of two religious schools that argued they should not have to face employment discrimination lawsuits brought by former teachers.
The case concerned the “ministerial exception” to employment discrimination laws that protects religious employers from certain lawsuits brought against them by employees.
The Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Wednesday in favor of two religious schools that argued they should not have to face employment discrimination lawsuits brought by former teachers.
The case concerned the “ministerial exception” to employment discrimination laws that protects religious employers from certain lawsuits brought by employees. It was brought by two Catholic schools in California that were hit with discrimination lawsuits by teachers whose employment was terminated.
“The religious education and formation of students is the very reason for the existence of most private religious schools, and therefore the selection and supervision of the teachers upon whom the schools rely to do this work lie at the core of their mission,” Justice Samuel Alito wrote for the court.
“Judicial review of the way in which religious schools discharge those responsibilities would undermine the independence of religious institutions in a way that the First Amendment does not tolerate,” he wrote.
These religious cases always give me some pause due to the infiltration of Islam and Shari'a Law. We need to work on getting Islam classified as the political system it is, rather than a religion it masks its political processes in.
What say you?
Islam should be banned, not just from America, but from humanity.
Worse. It is a government ideology masked as a religion.
👆exactly this
Some people did some things.
Ok, Ms. Omar
That's Mrs. Tim Mynett to you!
The only good part is that as a political system, we can say what we want about it. (In theory)
Maybe just uphold separation of church and state
This would literally be one of the few cases that would apply. Government cant mandate a state religion and a religion cant make laws superseding the actual laws.
The good Dr Bill should get more love!
Keep it freaked as a political movement -- anything else dilutes the evil
Cult = harmless to masses, let them play in corner
Religion = way too much latitude
Race = provided equality protections
Social = look what happened to BLM, no laws to then and everyone jumps on bandwagon
Culture = people accept weird rules if they think it's a tradition
We've banned Islam before during the Barbary pirate days. In fact, when was than ban lifted?
And yet most people recognize Mormonism as a religion.....
How many Mormons try to cut off your head when you try to criticize them? Haven't seen very many Mormon politicians try to replace the current US government with one based off their own precepts. Great false equivalency though.
If you haven't lived in an area where there's around 1/4 (or higher) of the population as Mormon, then you will never understand just how clannish and how screwed up that cult really is.
For example, a friend of mine was out on his mission (that's basically mandatory) and could not be recalled even though he was still in the US when his sister got married.... so his dad had to put a carboard cutout of Pres Bush with his face taped on it just so he was "there". I had another friend that had his dad die while he was out on a mission, and again, he wasn't recalled. If you compare this to how the average protestant mission type work goes, something critical happens at home (like either event) then you're going to be recalled. On top of that is the treatment of women in Mormonism. Women are basically told to be completely submissive to the husband, and that they will be mothers and give birth to lots of children. They can teach, but they are strongly discouraged from going into STEM because "that's a man's field". They'll never publicly admit it, but it's what their doctrine teaches. And the kicker, Mormonism doesn't follow the Nicene Creed, which (IMO) makes Mormonism not Christian as even the Catholics and Protestants agree on THAT much.
So please, go do your research before you mouth off on something you know nothing about.
Still doesn't mean Mormonism is not a religion, as it most definitely is. I agree it's not strictly a "Christian" faith, but it's christian-like. They produce quality men and women with strong conservative values (minus the flip flop twat Pierre Delecto), so who cares if their beliefs are a bit strange? Nobody is forcing them to be Mormons. I have met plenty of people who have left the faith, so if one chooses to remain it's their decision.
Um, while nobody is explicitly forcing them to be Mormons, there is such an absurd amount of pressure placed on kids that they are flat out expected to do the mission after they graduate from high school, and of all the Mormons in my home town (and I hung out with a lot of them in high school as that's just how things worked out), there was only ever one that stayed a Mormon that didn't go on the mission because of the business ventures he was involved in, and how the mission would have basically completely destroyed everything he had built. There is one other, but IIRC that was because he became an ex-Mormon.
I mean, for the overwhelming majority of the Christina denominations (both Protestant and Catholic) you're free to do as you please as far as membership goes. With Mormons, once you're in, if you leave the price is going to be extremely high, and it's not uncommon to hear people having to give up the entire social side of things AND lose ties to their family because they left. And may God have mercy on your poor soul if you ever get excommunicated, as you would be better off moving to a different state at that point.
It looks Christian, but it operates VERY differently - which is why I called it a cult.
Missions aren't mandatory, just btw.
You do understand that you can request to be recalled for personal events, right? Seems like you're tossing out unverifiable personal anecdotes to try to support your argument, which ultimately means squat.
Women aren't told to be "completely submissive to the husband". Clearly you've never been around very many Mormons, otherwise you'd know how much power a Relief Society President can wield in a ward or branch.
Where's the evidence that Mormonism discourages women from STEM fields? Which part of their doctrine, specifically, teaches such? Surely you have the name of the manual or a verse from one of the other books, no? I'd VERY MUCH love to hear where you supposedly found that out. I also find it incredibly interesting that you make the claim of "they'll never publicly admit it", a convenient caveat for you to throw in there that stands at odds with the LDS church being VERY public about the vast majority of it's views. Hard to "never publicly admit" things when they let anyone come to church.
Why would the Catholic Church get to dictate what group are and aren't Christians, especially when the very origination of the word simply meant a follower of Jesus of Nazareth? Protestants agree that Mormons aren't Christians? Do you have statements of such from the leaders of every single Protestant denomination backing that up? You do understand that nontrinitarianism (AKA rejecting PARTS of the Nicene Creed) is a product of the Protestant Reformation (i.e. the Unitarians)?
The best part is that this objection seems to be based on an autistic interpretation of John 10:30:
https://biblehub.com/john/10-30.htm
Notice how several versions aside from the KJV (the one Mormons use) state "my Father"? The Nicene Creed, and by extension trinitarianism in general, has to not only presume that "I and the Father (or my Father) are one" does not mean "one in purpose", but that every other verse that makes explicit reference to Jesus and God being two different beings (e.g. Matthew 5:16, Matthew 5:45, Matthew 5:48, Matthew 6:1, Matthew 6:4, Matthew 6:6, Matthew 6:8, Matthew 6:9, Matthew 6:14, Matthew 6:18, Matthew 6:26, Matthew 6:32, Matthew 7:11, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 10:20, etc. etc.).
Do the followers of the Nicene Creed think Jesus was schizophrenic, or do they think he just had a habit of referring to himself in the third person (but only sometimes)? The whole point of the nontrinitarian stance in Mormonism is the belief that the nuclear family is the basic foundation of a functional society. Kinda difficult to have a nuclear family if the Father and the Son are literally the same being, isn't it?
Not only are you trying to support your argument with unverifiable anecdotes, but you're quite literally making shit up.
It's personal experience. One was a member of my high school class, the other was a neighbor.
Seeing their seminary coursework back in high school, as they had to take a seminary class while the rest of us non-Mormons didn't. It also meant that their GPAs were artificially boosted because the seminary class took up time... yet didn't actually count towards their averages (which meant they had a smaller denominator than the rest of us in practice).
The overwhelming majority of the Protestant denominations have the Nicene Creed as core to their theology, to the point that whether or not a religion accepts it or not is basically a litmus test if the religion should be considered Christian. Thus, Mormons fail the test and they are not Christians. And for that matter, neither are the Nontrinitarians strictly speaking.
And yet you completely miss the part of John 1:1 where it says
And it's followed up by John 1:14:
And that's 2/3s of the trinity defined to be the same being. The best metaphor we have for what the Trinity is like is water that is ice, liquid, and vapor at the same time - it's three very different substances, yet it's all H2O.
You also really need to take it back to the Greek and look at what the Greek manuscripts are saying, as that's where a site like https://blueletterbible.org/ is helpful because it's got a concordance that's easy to use and allows you to very quickly compare how the various versions correspond to the original Greek. If you're not taking it back to the original texts, you're only doing a shallow comparison.
Um, no, I'm just sharing my own personal experience with Mormonism. If you want to claim I'm making up my own experience... have at it.
And whenever I justify that Islam is a disgusting religion, people just bring up what some Christians did hundreds of years ago, and it wasn't as bad as Islamic atrocities in their conquests of North Africa, Iberia, Persia, Northern India, and Anatolia in those same time periods.
They ignore the slavery in the Middle East that still exists to justify their "diversity" narrative.
We can thank Islam for the creation of the US Navy.
Isn't it funny that as the Bible became more widely available in common translations for the masses to read, the number of religious wars fought for Christianity steadily decreased.
Meanwhile, as the Quran became more publicly accessible linguistically, Islam became more and more violent.
The Crusades were not only justified, but dammit we need another one right now. This is how you know you're in the right, when your enemies have to bring up things from hundreds of years ago to call you 'evil' and you can bring up things from a week or 2 ago to prove they're evil.
Christians are held responsible for the actions of any Christian in any part of the world at any point in time while Muslims aren't considered responsible for their own actions.
Not to mention many of the slave traders selling to the North Atlantic Slave Trader's, were Islam also.
Islam is the ones who would go into africa and steal people from tribes, selling them in the slave markets.
Give Africa some credit here. The Ashanti Empire made Britain bleed when Britain forced them to end slavery.
There are more slaves today in the Middle East than were ever held in the United States.
A bit off topic but you can buy a black man for $200 in Liberia.
"Liberia is the only black state in Africa never subjected to colonial rule and is Africa's oldest republic."
Funnily enough, Liberia was a country set up by the United States and filled with freed slaves, of those that chose to go.
The difference is that, while the Christian faith has done some fucked up things in the past, it has since undergone a reformation.
The same cannot be said about Islam. As a matter of fact, there are several fundamentalist sects and followers of Islam that argue vehemently against such a reformation. Totally messed up to argue against actual, potentially meaningful reform.
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Outstanding work, sir!
This one mighty be the spicy:
😂
👍😅 I'm glad someone appreciated my subtleties I threw in here and there. It's pretty hard to satirize Biden when his general candor is already a running joke.
there was satire in there? I'm pretty sure he said all those things in random order at random times. Joepedo is 'da bomb', after all.
Except for the NAACP wildlife foundation 😂 still laughing!
I like the "listen, black."
Then there's "Maxwell hotdog."
I think there is some sort of law on the books against Islam.
There’s also an unofficial ban where there shall be no “head coverings or hats in Congress” (Muslims and Jews). It was changed specifically for Omar.
Jefferson knew what he was doing.
But women were not allowed into Government positions during Jefferson's time, and the Muslim population was nearly arbitrary at those times, so no offense, but that's just hot air.
yah, and we all know exactly what these minn 'community patrols' are going to be about..
That's the first thing I said when the initial "defund/disband" stuff came up. Fuck Islam.
We won't need to ban Sharia Law if we DEPORT it.
DEPORT SHARIA LAW 🦵🏻💨☪️
Yah could you imagine what life in America would be like if your race, gender, and ideology determined your rights and social standing, you had to wear a mask in public, and you could only fraternize in public with your own family?
Sharia Law should be a band
Hit records include." I am going to knock your block off." "Young boys." "My girl is shrouded in mystery." "Damn that knife is sharp." and for the dinner song "Mo ham Ed."
"Mo' ham, Ed!"
"Allah said 'Knock You Out'."
"Baby's got Sack" (My Allah-conda don't want none, 'less you got hijab, hon!)
"My Posse's at Mecca"
I agree, absolutely, especially the one regarding the shielding of Law Suits from Teachers whose lifestyles are incompatible.
Seriously leftist homosexuals are the most entitled people in the world.
There is extreme discrimination against straight white men everywhere in the leftist world, but a school trying to teach its students traditional and correct values and not Globohomo? That's a lawsuit.
Insulating religious schools and organizations is another nail in the coffin of the hopelessly broken public school system
I agree with you. Absolutely.
But, at the same time, we need to get islam classified as a political system, it has its own courts, its own laws, hell, they even have their own mortgage lenders, small business loans, "shari'a compliant"
thank you, and I do agree with you.
I just think about future potential ramifications is all. :)
This is why the definition of religion needs to be solidified.
Christianity, in some areas, did the same thing. The separation of church and state can be applied properly and give you the desired result.
No "Constitutionalist" would disagree with you. But it can be a slippery slope if we are not careful. For example, if they want to start imposing laws in conflict with our basic Constitutional rights, upon their employees, then we have a problem.
If an Islamic mosque or Islamic school mandated a prayer hour for their own employees I think that's a reasonable expectation of the job. A random Muslim-owned business doing it is a different matter.
Agree. Either protections for everyone, or protections for no one.
And when the last law was down and the devil turned round on you, where would you hide then, all the laws being flat?
We need to keep the legal system effective, even for - or especially for - those we disagree with.
The 'wise latina' wants religious schools to be forced to only hire flaming homosexuals.
Thanks!
Legislating from the bench
I wish I had more upvotes to give. OP is doing it right by:
Only 480 upvotes though, despite being stickied. Meanwhile the image only meme posts are 10x that.
Anyway from those of us that appreciate the time and effort put into high quality posts, thank you! And thanks to the mods for stickying this.
Thank you for your kind words/support :)
First time I've ever had a post stickied, either here or on T_D previously.
Re: Votes, I'm not so concerned with votes as I am on getting the word out.
I am VERY surprised my post yesterday regarding the ebay employee's arrested by the DOJ didn't get more traction. Egregious violations
https://thedonald.win/p/GISlS9b8/a-determined-systematic-effort-b/
These people brought the full economic and electronic resources of Ebay to bere on these citizens. and crickets about it from everyone.. very little to no mass media converage, and I've sent it to all the majors ( bongino, levin, carlson, hannity, even gateway pundit )
What they did to those people, should warning the every.other.citizen.in.America This goes so far beyond censorship, its not funny and yet, we've seen attacks similar to these from major organizations including chase, bofa, and more.
Yeah I saw that Ebay thing too. Sick people.
totally sick, I hope they throw them in supermax for a good decade.
I’d say the solution to this kind of abuse is lawsuits and expensive damage awards that make corporations think twice about trampling on citizens in the first place. Some preventative legislation would be nice as well.
I think I saw a similar post a few weeks ago when DOJ announced the prosecutions. Ebay is insane.
As to this post, I too am puzzled as to why the SC needed to rule twice on what appears to be the same exact thing. Glad they ruled correctly this time.
There is a place for memes. Quick laughs, short attention span.
I would suggest granting yourself the time to feed your mind on more than just memes. There is so much to learn.
If you’re not interested in the meatier content, that is fine. Nothing personal.
Just realize that part of the reason we are in the cultural predicament we are in is directly related to consumerism, complacency and laziness.
Memes won’t fix our problems, dedication and hard work will.
If you don’t mind sharing, what books are you reading currently? Anything you think I should check out?
Was George Washington a “faget” for reading books? Is Trump?
Anti intellectualism is not a good look fren.
The Little Sisters of the Poor are actual angels. I'm so happy for them!
A great victory for the faithful, and a defeat for the statist thugs of Jackboot 0bama.
Religious employer case is huge. Our schools are ruined because court decisions make it impossible to fire bad teachers. This makes it virtually impossible for courts to do the same thing to religious schools. At 7-2 decisions, this one is not going back. Roberts deserves to be applauded for getting 7-2 on this and other case.
Common Core math even for kindergarten is nuts. Number houses and circle models?
Can we please just clone Clarence Thomas and have him adjudicate every jurisdiction throughout the land?
Agreed, He needs to be Chief Justice and we need 4 more just like him!
He's my favorite justice (I'm sure that makes me a nazi).
Chief Justice and 8 more just like him!
You are factually correct. Islam is a political system. If you think about it, Christianity also was a political system. Specific steps were taken to separate state and church.
This is sticky subject.
Better resolution is to reduce re-distribution, by abolishing income taxes.
Separation of Church and state was intended to protect the Church, not the state
It's amazing how so many people don't understand that.
In its purest form, I'd say it's designed to protect both from overreaching of the other. That is that the state doesn't insert its influence over religious institutions and that the same goes the other way. There are also the arguments that without establishing a state religion you allow morality to change at the whims of the current society since there is no long established and unchanging rule to prevent it (hence what we have today)... but that's another conversation.
Also have to remember that this country's founders came from a country that had an established national church (Church of England) and many were also not fond of the Catholic Church being that they were Protestant. Therefore, they designed a system where church and state would not be able to influence each other while assuming that the people would be responsible to maintain a level of morality that would not jeopardize the system. I doubt they ever would have dreamed of the moral fabric of society disintegrating like today.
Maybe, but I think some of the founding fathers might grow to feel at home in today's society lol
Certainly. Our popular history likes to portray them as some sort of saints, when just like anything else, some were virtuous and others were far from it.
Only there is absolutely zero mention of separation of church and state in the Constitution.
In fact, some early states had religious government offices.
Of course, the incorporation clause will have some saying the Federal rules now apply to all states.
Income tax is theft. Especially Federal income tax.
Income tax has been signed by Woodrow Wilson.
On this one I agree with the Marxists: lets cancel income tax laws. Income tax laws are clearly racists and discriminatory.
My bad. "Legalized theft".
Best solution is you only pay for the goods and services you consume, and you pay 100% of the cost you consume yourself.
Freedoms for one group of religious people can be used aggressively by others, true, but the alternative is not to have any freedom of religion.
We pay for freedoms. Frequently, the price is more than we want it to be.
How pathetic are you that you need your boss to pay for your birth control?
If they lost this then Eventually they would move to make them cover abortion and trans surgery
On the other hand, trans surgery is the ultimate in birth control...
Agreed. If they're really that hard off for cash and that desperate to get laid anyway, they shouldn't be able to choose the expensive methods of birth control. The pill is $15 a month.
You're not using it for contraception then are you? These others are, in which case, they can pay the $15 for the cheap stuff on their own.
If it's exclusively to prevent pregnancy and no other conditions are being treated with the medication, then others should not be forced to provide it, or help pay for it, if it goes against their religious beliefs.
Good. Very good.
Nice. Now rescind the coronavirus church lock downs
There may be provisions in the separation of church and state that could be helpful addressing what you bring up. If Christian Churches are separated from Government office by a clear line, so too should the other religions. If you make exceptions and allow for Clergy to become politicians then its going to open a can of worms - infighting in congress the likes of which is usually relegated to the middle east.
Maxwell gets nicked and the court goes from 5-4 to7-2.... hmm...
Astute observation.
Wonder if this will keep up.
good point.
I am too, to be honest.
Informative post, thank you fren.
So it seems like Ginshit and Sotomayor are anti religious left wing nutjobs.
Those are the first two that need to be replaced with strong conservatives ASAP.
Like it or not, all religion is a way of life.
LIke it or not, Christianity can exist in tandem with a legal system and provide good separation of church and state. However, it also can be a full system.
Islam, similarly, can exist separately, but is pushed stronger by it's leaders to overtake culture and political systems while isolating from nonmuslims.
It is normal for anything that is a "way of life" to conflict with other ways of life. If there is a learning here, it is that this goes both ways. Religious institutions get broad latitude in how they run themselves, and they get no say whatsoever in whatever legal matters.
The hobby lobby case was about religious exemptions for coporations, specifically "closely held" organizations that are united in a religious stance.
The first case here is about executive authority to recognize and moderate such matters.
The second case is about whether private schools can discriminate for hiring purposes based on religious beliefs.
While they seem similar, the actor is very different in all three.
Excellent write-up. I learned something today!
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The Departments “believe[d] that the Court’s analysis in Hobby Lobby extends, for the purposes of analyzing a substantial burden, to the burdens that an entity faces when it religiously opposes participating in the [self-certification] accommodation process.” Id., at 47800. They thus “conclude[d] that it [was] appropriate to expand the exemption to other . . . organizations with sincerely held religious beliefs opposed to contraceptive coverage.” Id., at 47802; see also id., at 47810–47811.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/supreme-court-upholds-religious-exemption-from-obamacare-contraceptive-mandate/
The Hobby Lobby case was a private corporation which was not an organization whose primary purpose was religious function and/or administration.
Thank you for your reply: But wouldn't a religious school fall under that same category? Private Entity, primary purpose as education, with religion thrown in?
I would say no given that a religious school is generally intended to convey an education with a specific religious worldview. Its focus is interpreting providing a education within a specific religious context. Otherwise it is simply a private school.
I got questions... Or typing out loud...
Sharia law is an entire different law system under a "religion" . The schools in California, weren't they trying to exercise their rights under u.s. law? They weren't trying to exercise an entire new set of laws, were they?
I get the argument of freedom of religion. But the religion still has to abide by the laws of the land. They can wiggle some room here and there, but wouldn't instituting your own laws that would violate the law of the land be over reaching?
I don't see a connection to how these rulings open up wiggle room for a entire new set of laws under a different religion.
Lemme guess, the 2 dissenters are RBG and Sotomayor, right?
yeppers.
Notice the traitor only votes in our favor when his vote would not have mattered. When he is the deciding vote he votes against us. Fuck Justice Roberts.
Basically it is now expressly so for religious organizations. Whilst Hobby Lobby is not really a commercial organization. This affirms the separation between church and state, as in the state may not mandate spending from the church.
At least that is my cursory reading of it. If you have a religious objection to certain mandated medical coverage to employees you may make it known and exempt your employees for coverage of those elements.
Hobby Lobby is absolutely a commercial organization with over 900 stores throughout the US, and over 43,000 employees.
I think OP misspoke and meant to say that Hobby Lobby is a commercial organization and thus not like the Little Sisters, an expressly religious organization. But I could be wrong.
Lmao. Every business overnight becomes Christian so they can get around employment law.
Also, great news that the left can’t cuck and corrupt religious institutions without getting fired and impregnated.
I always think the same thing about Islam when I see cases like this. They barely feel like a win sometimes.
We've got to work on getting them classified as a political doctrine, since they have the court system, enacted here in the US, and their own banking systems, their own mortgage lenders etc all adherent to shari'a law.
I’d just like to take a moment to point out how awesome it is that you provided the facts, then followed up with reasonable, polite requests for discussion. I hate seeing posts that provide a strong point but don’t ask specific questions as follow up. Not every post should be that way, but such hot button issues, in my opinion, should be treated as such. It encourages educational discourse so that we can all be better equipped.
Very right about the political system of Islam
We need to work on getting Islam eradicated from the United States...
Excellent post and excerpts!
Not that I have any intention of complaining about it, but I'm surprised these were 7-2 splits instead of merely 5-4 decisions.
That second ruling is absolutely essential if religious schools are to have any effectiveness in passing on character and faith. Right now religious schools are full of teachers and coaches who flout the precepts of faith and those teachers undermine everything the school is trying to do. So that is a huge win for faith-based institutions.
Thomas in his majority opinion remarked on that position, noting how throughout the past seven years of litigation, the religious order has "have had to fight for the ability to continue in their noble work without violating their sincerely held religious beliefs."
Thomas also pointed to past cases involving the Affordable Care Act's contraception mandate, writing that litigation disputing its scope has existed nearly as long as the mandate itself. he drew heavily on the landmark religious freedom case Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores Inc. in which the court decided, on the basis of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, that closely held corporations were exempted from the mandate if it interfered with the owners' "sincerely held" beliefs.
I remember the Hobby Lobby case. Well done Clarence Thomas.
What horrible wording, there is nothing free in this world. The pills don't magically appear out of thin air, someone is paying it.
The very fact that these two issues even escaped the realm of commonsense and somehow got all the way to the Supreme Court is a good indicator how evil our world has become.
Oh noes! Women can't kill their unborn babies anymore! Whatever will we do?!?!
Oh wait the answer is easy just don't be a slut.
Yeah, Little Sisters are going around making sure you can’t buy the pill with your own fucking money. I fucking hate that leftist term. They’re not denying access, there’s simply refusing to pay for something they don’t believe in
I agree. the same with Islam, as it is antithetical to our systems.
The Little Sisters of the Poor has not harmed anyone if I’m not mistaken and I’m not Catholic. They’re a charity.
Excellent Post 👌👌👏
thank you.
Any time I see a win that isn't strictly partisan (with Roberts deigning to join in for the narrow 5/4) I am suspicious of how that ruling is going to be used against us in the future.
In California, there is a push to remove all Civil Rights legislation and allow for discriminatory hiring/firing. They are going to use that for POCs, or so they claim, but we know they will use it against whites and Asians.
Seems like these rulings will be used to allow the teaching and practice of Sharia, or firing and selectively revoking benefits from undesirables.
It's even more unnerving to me that 2 liberal justices voted in any manner against their sacred cow of abortion.
I agree, I'm always leery of the future ramifications.. "Church of the left" - we refuse to hire people who believe: list the lefty rhetoric. I can see that happening. hell, its already happening.
I heard from Larry Elder that the woman who wants to repeal it criticized the (black) man who got it done for having a white wife and never apologized.
He was interviewing about his new Uncle Tom movie.
Good, if you want to be a whore, you need to pay for your birth control pills yourself. Just like I want to remain thin so I pay for my pre workout and fat burners myself and would not expect anyone else to pay for them. Personally, I'm against all birth control for religious reasons but if you're gonna use it the least you can do is not make me pay for it.
it would be difficult to have islam classified as a political movement rather than a religious movement. I'd love for that to happen, but it would be difficult. Maybe Gen Flynn can get that done.
But it can be done in step by step manner. The first step being that the people have to socially be convinced that islam is a political ideology that wishes to destroy them. Once this is achieved, the political and legal part will become doable. But first people have to be convinced socially that islam wishes to harm all the kaafirs and impose sharia law on them (which is true) and conquer their land and enslave all the kaafirs (all true).