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posted ago by badwabbit ago by badwabbit +3822 / -0

So far today, they have announced two wins from SCOTUS... the first:

The Supreme Court on Wednesday voted 7-2 to uphold rules established by the Trump administration that would allow employers with sincerely held moral or religious objections to deny their employees access to free contraceptive coverage.

The rules broadened a carve out to the contraceptive coverage mandate included in the Affordable Care Act, the health-care overhaul commonly known as Obamacare. According to government estimates, the religious exemption would lead to possibly as many 125,000 women losing their coverage.

Justice Clarence Thomas, who authored the opinion of the court, wrote that the Trump administration “had the authority to provide exemptions from the regulatory contraceptive requirements for employers with religious and conscientious objections.”

Supreme Court rules for Little Sisters of the Poor in long-running dispute over birth control mandate

The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that the Little Sisters of the Poor is exempt from an Obama-era mandate to provide contraception in their healthcare plans.

The case, Little Sisters of the Poor v. Pennsylvania, marked the Catholic religious order’s second time before the Supreme Court, after nearly 10 years of legal dispute. It arose when the New Jersey and Pennsylvania state governments sued the Trump administration for exempting the Little Sisters from the contraception mandate.

The exemption, issued in the form of a 2017 executive order from President Trump, stated that the religious order is protected from “undue interference from the federal government.” Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar recommitted to that position the following year with guidelines exempting religious nonprofit groups from contraception requirements outlined in the 2010 Affordable Care Act.

Note: Can anyone here in a concise way, explain the difference between this case, and hobby lobby which was just a few years ago? In a cursory perusal, they look pretty much the same, why would the supreme court take up this case, so close to the last?


The Second Win coming from the issue of Religious Schools being targets of law suits from teacher's whose lifestyle themselves, conflict with the teachings of the schools..

Supreme Court shields religious schools from discrimination suits brought by teachers

The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled 7-2 in favor of two religious schools that argued they should not have to face employment discrimination lawsuits brought by former teachers.

The case concerned the “ministerial exception” to employment discrimination laws that protects religious employers from certain lawsuits brought against them by employees.

The Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Wednesday in favor of two religious schools that argued they should not have to face employment discrimination lawsuits brought by former teachers.

The case concerned the “ministerial exception” to employment discrimination laws that protects religious employers from certain lawsuits brought by employees. It was brought by two Catholic schools in California that were hit with discrimination lawsuits by teachers whose employment was terminated.

“The religious education and formation of students is the very reason for the existence of most private religious schools, and therefore the selection and supervision of the teachers upon whom the schools rely to do this work lie at the core of their mission,” Justice Samuel Alito wrote for the court.

“Judicial review of the way in which religious schools discharge those responsibilities would undermine the independence of religious institutions in a way that the First Amendment does not tolerate,” he wrote.


These religious cases always give me some pause due to the infiltration of Islam and Shari'a Law. We need to work on getting Islam classified as the political system it is, rather than a religion it masks its political processes in.


What say you?

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Yawnz13 0 points ago +2 / -2

Missions aren't mandatory, just btw.

You do understand that you can request to be recalled for personal events, right? Seems like you're tossing out unverifiable personal anecdotes to try to support your argument, which ultimately means squat.

Women aren't told to be "completely submissive to the husband". Clearly you've never been around very many Mormons, otherwise you'd know how much power a Relief Society President can wield in a ward or branch.

Where's the evidence that Mormonism discourages women from STEM fields? Which part of their doctrine, specifically, teaches such? Surely you have the name of the manual or a verse from one of the other books, no? I'd VERY MUCH love to hear where you supposedly found that out. I also find it incredibly interesting that you make the claim of "they'll never publicly admit it", a convenient caveat for you to throw in there that stands at odds with the LDS church being VERY public about the vast majority of it's views. Hard to "never publicly admit" things when they let anyone come to church.

Why would the Catholic Church get to dictate what group are and aren't Christians, especially when the very origination of the word simply meant a follower of Jesus of Nazareth? Protestants agree that Mormons aren't Christians? Do you have statements of such from the leaders of every single Protestant denomination backing that up? You do understand that nontrinitarianism (AKA rejecting PARTS of the Nicene Creed) is a product of the Protestant Reformation (i.e. the Unitarians)?

The best part is that this objection seems to be based on an autistic interpretation of John 10:30:

https://biblehub.com/john/10-30.htm

Notice how several versions aside from the KJV (the one Mormons use) state "my Father"? The Nicene Creed, and by extension trinitarianism in general, has to not only presume that "I and the Father (or my Father) are one" does not mean "one in purpose", but that every other verse that makes explicit reference to Jesus and God being two different beings (e.g. Matthew 5:16, Matthew 5:45, Matthew 5:48, Matthew 6:1, Matthew 6:4, Matthew 6:6, Matthew 6:8, Matthew 6:9, Matthew 6:14, Matthew 6:18, Matthew 6:26, Matthew 6:32, Matthew 7:11, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 10:20, etc. etc.).

Do the followers of the Nicene Creed think Jesus was schizophrenic, or do they think he just had a habit of referring to himself in the third person (but only sometimes)? The whole point of the nontrinitarian stance in Mormonism is the belief that the nuclear family is the basic foundation of a functional society. Kinda difficult to have a nuclear family if the Father and the Son are literally the same being, isn't it?

Not only are you trying to support your argument with unverifiable anecdotes, but you're quite literally making shit up.

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Aoikaze2000 0 points ago +1 / -1

You do understand that you can request to be recalled for personal events, right? Seems like you're tossing out unverifiable personal anecdotes to try to support your argument, which ultimately means squat.

It's personal experience. One was a member of my high school class, the other was a neighbor.

Where's the evidence that Mormonism discourages women from STEM fields?

Seeing their seminary coursework back in high school, as they had to take a seminary class while the rest of us non-Mormons didn't. It also meant that their GPAs were artificially boosted because the seminary class took up time... yet didn't actually count towards their averages (which meant they had a smaller denominator than the rest of us in practice).

Why would the Catholic Church get to dictate what group are and aren't Christians, especially when the very origination of the word simply meant a follower of Jesus of Nazareth?

The overwhelming majority of the Protestant denominations have the Nicene Creed as core to their theology, to the point that whether or not a religion accepts it or not is basically a litmus test if the religion should be considered Christian. Thus, Mormons fail the test and they are not Christians. And for that matter, neither are the Nontrinitarians strictly speaking.

The best part is that this objection seems to be based on an autistic interpretation of John 10:30:

And yet you completely miss the part of John 1:1 where it says

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And it's followed up by John 1:14:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

And that's 2/3s of the trinity defined to be the same being. The best metaphor we have for what the Trinity is like is water that is ice, liquid, and vapor at the same time - it's three very different substances, yet it's all H2O.

You also really need to take it back to the Greek and look at what the Greek manuscripts are saying, as that's where a site like https://blueletterbible.org/ is helpful because it's got a concordance that's easy to use and allows you to very quickly compare how the various versions correspond to the original Greek. If you're not taking it back to the original texts, you're only doing a shallow comparison.

Not only are you trying to support your argument with unverifiable anecdotes, but you're quite literally making shit up.

Um, no, I'm just sharing my own personal experience with Mormonism. If you want to claim I'm making up my own experience... have at it.

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Yawnz13 -1 points ago +1 / -2

Personal experiences count for dick on the Internet. Can't be verified, no reason to believe.

Again, where is the evidence that Mormons dissuade females from STEM fields? It most certainly isn't in the seminary course work, as all seminary is is a study of each of the books, one book per year of high school.

"their GPAs were artificially boosted"

"yet didn't actually count towards their averages"

Those are two contradicting statements. Either you have no idea how GPA works, or you're again full of shit.

So once again, why is the Nicene Creed the litmus test? Again, you'd have to ignore literally dozens of verses in the NT that explicitly illustrate God and Jesus as two distinct individuals in order for the Nicene Creed to be true. The fact that you have to cherry pick this particular reasoning as opposed to the reasoning behind the original usage of the word further proves your ignorance.

Again, your interpretation of John 1:1 and John 1:14 only work if you take them literally. This is the same fallacy that atheists frequently use.

"And the Word was God"

Again, same deal as with John 10:30. John 1:1 and 1:14 could very easily mean that they "were" one in purpose. It's no different than someone saying "Je suis Charlie" after the Charlie Hebdo shootings back in 2015. That literally translates as "I am Charlie". Does that literally mean anyone who says that "is Charlie"? No, it means that they are one in purpose/principle.

Yes, you are quite literally making shit up. Unverifiable anecdotes = making shit up.

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Aoikaze2000 1 point ago +1 / -0

It most certainly isn't in the seminary course work, as all seminary is is a study of each of the books, one book per year of high school.

And yet, they are able to take religious classes in a government funded public high school, and classes that were not open to those that weren't Mormon. It's kinda like they wanted it both ways, and bent the system to their will....

Those are two contradicting statements. Either you have no idea how GPA works, or you're again full of shit.

It also worked against them on occasion, but it led to several instances where (like what happenned to my sister) the fewer classes they took (and generally easier classes) allowed for a higher GPA than what they should have had had they had a full course load.

Again, you'd have to ignore literally dozens of verses in the NT that explicitly illustrate God and Jesus as two distinct individuals in order for the Nicene Creed to be true.

Which shows you have a complete lack of understanding on what the Holy Trinity actually is, as you're making superficial jabs showing a complete lack of theological understanding.

Yes, you are quite literally making shit up. Unverifiable anecdotes = making shit up.

So in other words, you don't like that I'm dragging Mormon shit into the light and have to refute it all because I'm clearly "making shit up". Maybe it's because you're Mormon and don't like being exposed for what you really are... a cultist?

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Yawnz13 -1 points ago +1 / -2

Except those classes aren't part of the school curriculum. There is no law against using a school building to teach religious classes so long as they aren't part of the state-mandated curriculum.

"It worked against them". Again, where's your proof? If the classes weren't graded, then they couldn't work for or against your GPA.

So where is my "lack of understanding" again? You're the one ignoring literally dozens of verses from the same book.

You haven't "exposed" anything because you haven't been able to offer even an ounce of evidence backing yourself up. Again, where is the supposed doctrine that states that women shouldn't be in STEM fields? It wouldn't matter whether I was Mormon or not, the burden of proof would still be on you to back up your claims.