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posted ago by badwabbit ago by badwabbit +3822 / -0

So far today, they have announced two wins from SCOTUS... the first:

The Supreme Court on Wednesday voted 7-2 to uphold rules established by the Trump administration that would allow employers with sincerely held moral or religious objections to deny their employees access to free contraceptive coverage.

The rules broadened a carve out to the contraceptive coverage mandate included in the Affordable Care Act, the health-care overhaul commonly known as Obamacare. According to government estimates, the religious exemption would lead to possibly as many 125,000 women losing their coverage.

Justice Clarence Thomas, who authored the opinion of the court, wrote that the Trump administration “had the authority to provide exemptions from the regulatory contraceptive requirements for employers with religious and conscientious objections.”

Supreme Court rules for Little Sisters of the Poor in long-running dispute over birth control mandate

The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that the Little Sisters of the Poor is exempt from an Obama-era mandate to provide contraception in their healthcare plans.

The case, Little Sisters of the Poor v. Pennsylvania, marked the Catholic religious order’s second time before the Supreme Court, after nearly 10 years of legal dispute. It arose when the New Jersey and Pennsylvania state governments sued the Trump administration for exempting the Little Sisters from the contraception mandate.

The exemption, issued in the form of a 2017 executive order from President Trump, stated that the religious order is protected from “undue interference from the federal government.” Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar recommitted to that position the following year with guidelines exempting religious nonprofit groups from contraception requirements outlined in the 2010 Affordable Care Act.

Note: Can anyone here in a concise way, explain the difference between this case, and hobby lobby which was just a few years ago? In a cursory perusal, they look pretty much the same, why would the supreme court take up this case, so close to the last?


The Second Win coming from the issue of Religious Schools being targets of law suits from teacher's whose lifestyle themselves, conflict with the teachings of the schools..

Supreme Court shields religious schools from discrimination suits brought by teachers

The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled 7-2 in favor of two religious schools that argued they should not have to face employment discrimination lawsuits brought by former teachers.

The case concerned the “ministerial exception” to employment discrimination laws that protects religious employers from certain lawsuits brought against them by employees.

The Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Wednesday in favor of two religious schools that argued they should not have to face employment discrimination lawsuits brought by former teachers.

The case concerned the “ministerial exception” to employment discrimination laws that protects religious employers from certain lawsuits brought by employees. It was brought by two Catholic schools in California that were hit with discrimination lawsuits by teachers whose employment was terminated.

“The religious education and formation of students is the very reason for the existence of most private religious schools, and therefore the selection and supervision of the teachers upon whom the schools rely to do this work lie at the core of their mission,” Justice Samuel Alito wrote for the court.

“Judicial review of the way in which religious schools discharge those responsibilities would undermine the independence of religious institutions in a way that the First Amendment does not tolerate,” he wrote.


These religious cases always give me some pause due to the infiltration of Islam and Shari'a Law. We need to work on getting Islam classified as the political system it is, rather than a religion it masks its political processes in.


What say you?

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Aoikaze2000 0 points ago +1 / -1

You do understand that you can request to be recalled for personal events, right? Seems like you're tossing out unverifiable personal anecdotes to try to support your argument, which ultimately means squat.

It's personal experience. One was a member of my high school class, the other was a neighbor.

Where's the evidence that Mormonism discourages women from STEM fields?

Seeing their seminary coursework back in high school, as they had to take a seminary class while the rest of us non-Mormons didn't. It also meant that their GPAs were artificially boosted because the seminary class took up time... yet didn't actually count towards their averages (which meant they had a smaller denominator than the rest of us in practice).

Why would the Catholic Church get to dictate what group are and aren't Christians, especially when the very origination of the word simply meant a follower of Jesus of Nazareth?

The overwhelming majority of the Protestant denominations have the Nicene Creed as core to their theology, to the point that whether or not a religion accepts it or not is basically a litmus test if the religion should be considered Christian. Thus, Mormons fail the test and they are not Christians. And for that matter, neither are the Nontrinitarians strictly speaking.

The best part is that this objection seems to be based on an autistic interpretation of John 10:30:

And yet you completely miss the part of John 1:1 where it says

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And it's followed up by John 1:14:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

And that's 2/3s of the trinity defined to be the same being. The best metaphor we have for what the Trinity is like is water that is ice, liquid, and vapor at the same time - it's three very different substances, yet it's all H2O.

You also really need to take it back to the Greek and look at what the Greek manuscripts are saying, as that's where a site like https://blueletterbible.org/ is helpful because it's got a concordance that's easy to use and allows you to very quickly compare how the various versions correspond to the original Greek. If you're not taking it back to the original texts, you're only doing a shallow comparison.

Not only are you trying to support your argument with unverifiable anecdotes, but you're quite literally making shit up.

Um, no, I'm just sharing my own personal experience with Mormonism. If you want to claim I'm making up my own experience... have at it.

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Yawnz13 -1 points ago +1 / -2

Personal experiences count for dick on the Internet. Can't be verified, no reason to believe.

Again, where is the evidence that Mormons dissuade females from STEM fields? It most certainly isn't in the seminary course work, as all seminary is is a study of each of the books, one book per year of high school.

"their GPAs were artificially boosted"

"yet didn't actually count towards their averages"

Those are two contradicting statements. Either you have no idea how GPA works, or you're again full of shit.

So once again, why is the Nicene Creed the litmus test? Again, you'd have to ignore literally dozens of verses in the NT that explicitly illustrate God and Jesus as two distinct individuals in order for the Nicene Creed to be true. The fact that you have to cherry pick this particular reasoning as opposed to the reasoning behind the original usage of the word further proves your ignorance.

Again, your interpretation of John 1:1 and John 1:14 only work if you take them literally. This is the same fallacy that atheists frequently use.

"And the Word was God"

Again, same deal as with John 10:30. John 1:1 and 1:14 could very easily mean that they "were" one in purpose. It's no different than someone saying "Je suis Charlie" after the Charlie Hebdo shootings back in 2015. That literally translates as "I am Charlie". Does that literally mean anyone who says that "is Charlie"? No, it means that they are one in purpose/principle.

Yes, you are quite literally making shit up. Unverifiable anecdotes = making shit up.

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Aoikaze2000 1 point ago +1 / -0

It most certainly isn't in the seminary course work, as all seminary is is a study of each of the books, one book per year of high school.

And yet, they are able to take religious classes in a government funded public high school, and classes that were not open to those that weren't Mormon. It's kinda like they wanted it both ways, and bent the system to their will....

Those are two contradicting statements. Either you have no idea how GPA works, or you're again full of shit.

It also worked against them on occasion, but it led to several instances where (like what happenned to my sister) the fewer classes they took (and generally easier classes) allowed for a higher GPA than what they should have had had they had a full course load.

Again, you'd have to ignore literally dozens of verses in the NT that explicitly illustrate God and Jesus as two distinct individuals in order for the Nicene Creed to be true.

Which shows you have a complete lack of understanding on what the Holy Trinity actually is, as you're making superficial jabs showing a complete lack of theological understanding.

Yes, you are quite literally making shit up. Unverifiable anecdotes = making shit up.

So in other words, you don't like that I'm dragging Mormon shit into the light and have to refute it all because I'm clearly "making shit up". Maybe it's because you're Mormon and don't like being exposed for what you really are... a cultist?

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Yawnz13 -1 points ago +1 / -2

Except those classes aren't part of the school curriculum. There is no law against using a school building to teach religious classes so long as they aren't part of the state-mandated curriculum.

"It worked against them". Again, where's your proof? If the classes weren't graded, then they couldn't work for or against your GPA.

So where is my "lack of understanding" again? You're the one ignoring literally dozens of verses from the same book.

You haven't "exposed" anything because you haven't been able to offer even an ounce of evidence backing yourself up. Again, where is the supposed doctrine that states that women shouldn't be in STEM fields? It wouldn't matter whether I was Mormon or not, the burden of proof would still be on you to back up your claims.

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Aoikaze2000 1 point ago +1 / -0

"It worked against them". Again, where's your proof? If the classes weren't graded, then they couldn't work for or against your GPA.

When you have less GPA points to work with, your As become more valueable, but your Fs also become more damaging.... it's simple math.

So where is my "lack of understanding" again? You're the one ignoring literally dozens of verses from the same book.

So then point them out and let's have a theological debate.

You haven't "exposed" anything because you haven't been able to offer even an ounce of evidence backing yourself up. Again, where is the supposed doctrine that states that women shouldn't be in STEM fields?

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/eternal-marriage-student-manual/differences-inherent-between-men-and-women?lang=eng

“Within those great assurances, however, our roles and assignments differ. These are eternal differences—with women being given many tremendous responsibilities of motherhood and sisterhood and men being given the tremendous responsibilities of fatherhood and the priesthood”

“The business world is competitive and sometimes ruthless. We do not doubt that women have both the brainpower and skills—and in some instances superior abilities—to compete with men. But by competing they must, of necessity, become aggressive and competitive. Thus their godly attributes are diminished and they acquire a quality of sameness with man”

“I suppose you would say it is a man’s viewpoint to throw a burden upon a woman to maintain the stability and the sweetness of marriage, but this seems to be her divine nature. She has a superior spirituality in the marriage relationship, and the opportunity to encourage, uplift, teach, and be the one who sets the example in the family for righteous living. When women come to the point of realizing that it is more important to be superior than to be equal, they will find the real joy in living those principles that the Lord set out in his divine plan”

It's right there in the doctrine, a woman's place is in the home, being a good wife, and not trying to compete against men, which means no STEM.