Back when this shit first started, i thought it was made clear by fauxi, birx, whoever else- that these surgical
Masks you can buy at 711 do absolute shit, and the only way to guarantee transmission is an N95
I agree there are studies showing they help however...for a virus that has a 99% survival rate it's ridiculous. At first people thought that asymptomatic people spread it but they also did a study on that and virtually no one asymptotic spread it. So really only people that may be a severe risk should wear it. More people die from TB and have we ever worn a mask for that? This is just a bad flu season and being used to control people.
I agree there are powerful people trying to capitalize on the virus, be it monetary capitalization or gaining power and control. However, that wasn't what I was addressing. I'm simply stating that masks do work and any study that claims they don't work is complete and utter nonsense.
Yeah but I am not sure about bandannas ...and other coverings and home made thin masks. Yet someone with a very thin bandanna can enter a store but someone with out one can't. At first I thought the virus was a real threat but after the data I don't know what we are doing. Someone linked to John Hopkins data and only 8,000 and something deaths in the US didn't have KNOWN preexisting conditions (which means they may have had them and not known). So I think we should be asking would the people that have died died anyway and would have they died if they had gotten the regular flu as well?
Nope. This quote from an article talks about smoke and bandannas "It's smallest particulates in smoke that cause the most health concerns. We’re talking particles that are less than 2.5 microns, or fractions of the size of a human hair, and when the smoke gets thick, bandanas and the types of masks people wear while painting won’t filter them out."
"COVID19 has a diameter of approximately 60–140 nm or 0.06 to 1.4 microns."
Bandanas aren't doing a thing. Except maybe catching even more on it and then you touch it then touch your face and get infected.
Nope not to be rude at all, it means you don't know or haven't done much research on the virus or understand what Aerosol means. I kept track of this very closely starting in the end of Jan.
Infectious viral particles that can float or drift around in the air. Aerosols are emitted by a person infected with coronavirus — even one with no symptoms — when they talk, breathe, cough, or sneeze. Another person can breathe in these aerosols and become infected with the virus. Aerosolized coronavirus can remain in the air for up to three hours.
FYI in a recent comment I left elsewhere, there is in fact a peer-reviewed study showing that surgeons wearing masks vs. not made zero difference in post-op infections. So “health experts” doing a thing is just an appeal to authority. It’s not an effective argument.
The effectiveness of masks is next to meaningless... Sure an N95 helps tremendously when it's properly fitted, worn for short periods, and disposed. A cloth mask MIGHT help you from spreading to other people. But same issue. People are wearing them for hours on end. Touching them all day, stuffing them in their pockets. Hardly ever even washing them.
Maybe if the doctors didn't lie about them at first, and it didn't get politicized, we might have had different opinions on them. Or if they gave people ANY kind of guidance on wearing them whatsoever other than "wear a mask, it's the law" and "wear a mask or you'll kill grandma"
No matter what anyone says now, the way Americans are using cloth masks is 100% useless. Even if they could actually stop the virus, it's no different that a cook wearing gloves to touch raw chicken and then immediately tossing your salad with the same gloves
You bring up good points about how many people aren't using them the right way. I agree with most of what you said. I think the system as a whole failed miserably, especially the CDC. You know the organization that's supposed to be experts in infectious diseases, yet has been studying things like gun violence that has nothing to do with virii! Then after their complete and utter lies I understand why people would not want to trust them nor do I give whatever it is they have to say any weight. However, masks do work ....
You're right. A mask will stop germs from leaving your mouth or nose from getting into the air.
The real question though is: is it worth it? Are all these lockdowns worth stemming the spread of a disease with a less than 1% death rate?
We could defeat the common cold if we all just completely isolated ourselves but it's not worth it. Small businesses are failing and people are losing their livelihood which is causing more detriment to people than if we had not locked down the country.
The fear mongering needs to stop and the mask is a reminder to be afraid.
No. Shutting down the economy wasn't worth it. Why? Look at the results! We only delayed the inevitable. I'm also not too concerned about the virus or it's complications due to the fact that most people who get it won't even get sick.
However, masks do work and there's a lot of gullible and scared people out there. If by wearing one I can help calm them down and get them back to work then I will do so. I think that $1,200 check was enough to get me to wear a mask and personally I think I look damned cool in one.
If you don't want to wear one then don't! Just feel free to not visit anyplace that requires you to wear one.
The only thing that the mask is good for is making people FEEL safe and FEEL like they're doing something to help. It doesn't ACTUALLY make people safer and they're not ACTUALLY doing anything to help.
I'll wear a mask in stores and restaurants where it's mandated because those are private businesses and they make the rules. I'll never wear a mask on the sidewalk or on a public beach or in a public park. We have to show people there's really nothing to fear.
I've blocked Google. If you want me to watch it point me to another video host that's not related to anything Google owned. However, if the video tries to say that masks don't protect you from particles then I won't even bother. Makes you wonder why people suffering from allergies get major relief by wearing them, doesn't it?
When I've painted in the past or dealt with chemicals that could make me nauseous or sick I've used a proper mask to filter out those particles. They worked. When I lived in a place were I experienced allergies I'd wear and mask and they would stop me from suffering from allergies. So those different masks prevented me from inhaling dangerous chemicals and stopped my allergies. Surely, that was all in my head, right?
How about the next time you see an exterminator fumigating a house and is wearing a full face respirator walk inside of the house with no mask and hang out for a few hours ... Let me know how that works out for you.
That's the thing.... A lot of people are trying to make wearing something that protects you political. You're free to not wear them and free to not visit any place that requires you to wear them.
Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but I'll willingly get a Covid-19 vaccine. Just like I've willingly gotten Hepatitis, Tetanus and yearly Flu vaccinations. I'm pretty sure, just like the vaccinations I mentioned, that the Covid-19 will be voluntary.
I sure hope not. I don't think anyone should be forced to inject anything in their bodies they don't want to. Right now if anyone does that, even in a hospital, you can press assault charges on them.
I remember when it was said you could catch aids by shaking hands with an infected person. We're going to learn that you can't catch covid from.simply walking by a person and people like you will be made to look foolish.
If you're exhaling virus particles and someone else inhales them then they have a good chance of getting the virus. It's simple science. Stuff I learned in the 7th grade.
I'm not aware of the %. I know if you're inside someplace the particles linger in the air longer, but that's also dependent on the air flow. I'd imagine your chances of getting infected without a mask overall are pretty low and with a mask would reduce that % even further.
I look at it this way. If 98.7% of people who get it survive and 80% of people who get it don't get sick and out of the remaining 20% only 1% of them die and most of that 1% are either old or immune compromised people then your odds of getting seriously ill or dying from Covid-19 are astronomically low.
However, where are we? We're coming out of months of people hiding in their homes over something that wasn't even a really big deal. We need these people to come back out and work. If wearing a mask makes them "feel better", even if the odds are it won't really protect them then I'll wear one. I mean, if used properly they provide a little or a lot of protection from any virus, allergen or harmful gas. It's sort of like the oxygen masks that fall down when the Pilot of an airplane presses a button during an emergency. The shit really just makes people feel better.
I've never jumped on the "everyone else" bandwagon. I've always done my own thing and what makes sense to me. It seems even the Right has the same herd mentality as they claim the Left is suffering from. I'm not a people pleaser nor do I try to fit in by saying or doing things just for the sake of appeasing others.
Masks do indeed work. They work for all sorts of things. Such are protecting against paint fumes, allergens, virii and deadly gasses. I'm not sure why it has to be a "left" vs "right" thing when either side simply ignores centuries of science to push their agendas.
I agree that I'm not in a high risk category and the death rate from the virus is very low. I also think we were foolish to shut down the economy to only delay the virus from spreading. I also think that if you run a store you should have the right to require your customers to wear masks and if you're a customer you have the right to not wear a mask and go elsewhere.
I wasn't shocked. I've dealt with mass stupidity for the entirety of my life. I agree that if you don't want to wear one that you shouldn't have to then at the same time I think that anyone who owns a business can deny you services for whatever reason they want - including you not wearing a mask.
Jacobs et al. (June 2009). "Use of Surgical Face Masks to Reduce the Incidence of the Common Cold Among Health Care Workers in Japan: A Randomized Controlled Trial". American Journal of Infection Control. Elsevier. doi:10.1016/j.ajic.2008.11.002
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/
Conclusion: "Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds. A larger study is needed to definitively establish noninferiority of no mask use."
bin Reza et al. (July 2012). "The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence". Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses. Wiley. doi:10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779801/
Abstract: [There were 17 eligible studies included in this review,] "None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”
Radonovich et al. (September 2019). "N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial". Journal of American Medicine. doi:10.1001/jama.2019.11645.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31479137/
Conclusions and relevance: Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.
Smith et al. (May 2016). "Effectiveness of N95 Respirators Versus Surgical Masks in Protecting Health Care Workers From Acute Respiratory Infection: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis". Canadian Medical Association Journal (CMAJ). doi:10.1503/cmaj.150835 – via National Library of Medicine.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26952529/
Results: We identified 6 clinical studies (3 random control trials, 1 cohort study and 2 case-control studies) and 23 surrogate exposure studies. In the meta-analysis of the clinical studies, we found no significant difference between N95 respirators and surgical masks in associated risk of (a) laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection (RCTs: odds ratio [OR] 0.89, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.64-1.24; cohort study: OR 0.43, 95% CI 0.03-6.41; case-control studies: OR 0.91, 95% CI 0.25-3.36); (b) influenza-like illness (RCTs: OR 0.51, 95% CI 0.19-1.41); or (c) reported workplace absenteeism (RCT: OR 0.92, 95% CI 0.57-1.50).
Oh like how you’ve been doing to me? Like how I showed you a study from the national institute of fucking health and your reply was “waaahhh whatever you’re not a healthcare worker” lmfao faggot
Sorry, I can't help you with your homosexuals desires, but I'm also not trying to force you to wear anything. I'm simply stating that they work.
You're sick in the head.
I’m a bit confused.
Back when this shit first started, i thought it was made clear by fauxi, birx, whoever else- that these surgical Masks you can buy at 711 do absolute shit, and the only way to guarantee transmission is an N95
Also, aren’t these masks NOT reusable?
I agree there are studies showing they help however...for a virus that has a 99% survival rate it's ridiculous. At first people thought that asymptomatic people spread it but they also did a study on that and virtually no one asymptotic spread it. So really only people that may be a severe risk should wear it. More people die from TB and have we ever worn a mask for that? This is just a bad flu season and being used to control people.
I agree there are powerful people trying to capitalize on the virus, be it monetary capitalization or gaining power and control. However, that wasn't what I was addressing. I'm simply stating that masks do work and any study that claims they don't work is complete and utter nonsense.
Yeah but I am not sure about bandannas ...and other coverings and home made thin masks. Yet someone with a very thin bandanna can enter a store but someone with out one can't. At first I thought the virus was a real threat but after the data I don't know what we are doing. Someone linked to John Hopkins data and only 8,000 and something deaths in the US didn't have KNOWN preexisting conditions (which means they may have had them and not known). So I think we should be asking would the people that have died died anyway and would have they died if they had gotten the regular flu as well?
Possibly. I think the entire thing has been blown out of proportion.
Nope. This quote from an article talks about smoke and bandannas "It's smallest particulates in smoke that cause the most health concerns. We’re talking particles that are less than 2.5 microns, or fractions of the size of a human hair, and when the smoke gets thick, bandanas and the types of masks people wear while painting won’t filter them out."
"COVID19 has a diameter of approximately 60–140 nm or 0.06 to 1.4 microns." Bandanas aren't doing a thing. Except maybe catching even more on it and then you touch it then touch your face and get infected.
https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2018/08/when_it_comes_to_wildfire_smok.html
https://www.sphosp.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Letter-in-response-to-N-95-use-RA-Final.pdf
Nope not to be rude at all, it means you don't know or haven't done much research on the virus or understand what Aerosol means. I kept track of this very closely starting in the end of Jan.
Infectious viral particles that can float or drift around in the air. Aerosols are emitted by a person infected with coronavirus — even one with no symptoms — when they talk, breathe, cough, or sneeze. Another person can breathe in these aerosols and become infected with the virus. Aerosolized coronavirus can remain in the air for up to three hours.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-resource-center#:~:text=Aerosolized%20coronavirus%20can%20remain%20in,up%20to%20three%20hours.
Let’s go, just provide some evidence.
FYI in a recent comment I left elsewhere, there is in fact a peer-reviewed study showing that surgeons wearing masks vs. not made zero difference in post-op infections. So “health experts” doing a thing is just an appeal to authority. It’s not an effective argument.
The effectiveness of masks is next to meaningless... Sure an N95 helps tremendously when it's properly fitted, worn for short periods, and disposed. A cloth mask MIGHT help you from spreading to other people. But same issue. People are wearing them for hours on end. Touching them all day, stuffing them in their pockets. Hardly ever even washing them.
Maybe if the doctors didn't lie about them at first, and it didn't get politicized, we might have had different opinions on them. Or if they gave people ANY kind of guidance on wearing them whatsoever other than "wear a mask, it's the law" and "wear a mask or you'll kill grandma"
No matter what anyone says now, the way Americans are using cloth masks is 100% useless. Even if they could actually stop the virus, it's no different that a cook wearing gloves to touch raw chicken and then immediately tossing your salad with the same gloves
You bring up good points about how many people aren't using them the right way. I agree with most of what you said. I think the system as a whole failed miserably, especially the CDC. You know the organization that's supposed to be experts in infectious diseases, yet has been studying things like gun violence that has nothing to do with virii! Then after their complete and utter lies I understand why people would not want to trust them nor do I give whatever it is they have to say any weight. However, masks do work ....
You're right. A mask will stop germs from leaving your mouth or nose from getting into the air.
The real question though is: is it worth it? Are all these lockdowns worth stemming the spread of a disease with a less than 1% death rate?
We could defeat the common cold if we all just completely isolated ourselves but it's not worth it. Small businesses are failing and people are losing their livelihood which is causing more detriment to people than if we had not locked down the country.
The fear mongering needs to stop and the mask is a reminder to be afraid.
No. Shutting down the economy wasn't worth it. Why? Look at the results! We only delayed the inevitable. I'm also not too concerned about the virus or it's complications due to the fact that most people who get it won't even get sick.
However, masks do work and there's a lot of gullible and scared people out there. If by wearing one I can help calm them down and get them back to work then I will do so. I think that $1,200 check was enough to get me to wear a mask and personally I think I look damned cool in one.
If you don't want to wear one then don't! Just feel free to not visit anyplace that requires you to wear one.
The only thing that the mask is good for is making people FEEL safe and FEEL like they're doing something to help. It doesn't ACTUALLY make people safer and they're not ACTUALLY doing anything to help.
I'll wear a mask in stores and restaurants where it's mandated because those are private businesses and they make the rules. I'll never wear a mask on the sidewalk or on a public beach or in a public park. We have to show people there's really nothing to fear.
P.S. Nobody looks cool wearing a mask.
Masks do provide protection for yourself and others. Depending on what type of mask depends on the amount of protection.
I look awesome in a mask. I'm still trying to obtain a full face gas mask so I'll look even cooler.
I'm not wrong. Masks do work.
I've blocked Google. If you want me to watch it point me to another video host that's not related to anything Google owned. However, if the video tries to say that masks don't protect you from particles then I won't even bother. Makes you wonder why people suffering from allergies get major relief by wearing them, doesn't it?
They work for the lib's agenda.
FTFY
When I've painted in the past or dealt with chemicals that could make me nauseous or sick I've used a proper mask to filter out those particles. They worked. When I lived in a place were I experienced allergies I'd wear and mask and they would stop me from suffering from allergies. So those different masks prevented me from inhaling dangerous chemicals and stopped my allergies. Surely, that was all in my head, right?
How about the next time you see an exterminator fumigating a house and is wearing a full face respirator walk inside of the house with no mask and hang out for a few hours ... Let me know how that works out for you.
It's as if you think the coronavirus is as prevalent in the air as pollen is during allergy season.
Nope, I don't think that nor would know why you would think that I do.
That's the thing.... A lot of people are trying to make wearing something that protects you political. You're free to not wear them and free to not visit any place that requires you to wear them.
Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but I'll willingly get a Covid-19 vaccine. Just like I've willingly gotten Hepatitis, Tetanus and yearly Flu vaccinations. I'm pretty sure, just like the vaccinations I mentioned, that the Covid-19 will be voluntary.
I sure hope not. I don't think anyone should be forced to inject anything in their bodies they don't want to. Right now if anyone does that, even in a hospital, you can press assault charges on them.
It has already been made political.
There is nothing in the year 2020 that is not going to be made political.
Gird your loins and pick a battle that matters.
I don't blindly follow politically correct bullshit, regardless of which side it's from.
It's remnant of those who wore crutches in school when they had a sprained ankle.
Sheep wear masks!
I remember when it was said you could catch aids by shaking hands with an infected person. We're going to learn that you can't catch covid from.simply walking by a person and people like you will be made to look foolish.
If you're exhaling virus particles and someone else inhales them then they have a good chance of getting the virus. It's simple science. Stuff I learned in the 7th grade.
And the chance for that happening is what?
I'm not aware of the %. I know if you're inside someplace the particles linger in the air longer, but that's also dependent on the air flow. I'd imagine your chances of getting infected without a mask overall are pretty low and with a mask would reduce that % even further.
I look at it this way. If 98.7% of people who get it survive and 80% of people who get it don't get sick and out of the remaining 20% only 1% of them die and most of that 1% are either old or immune compromised people then your odds of getting seriously ill or dying from Covid-19 are astronomically low.
However, where are we? We're coming out of months of people hiding in their homes over something that wasn't even a really big deal. We need these people to come back out and work. If wearing a mask makes them "feel better", even if the odds are it won't really protect them then I'll wear one. I mean, if used properly they provide a little or a lot of protection from any virus, allergen or harmful gas. It's sort of like the oxygen masks that fall down when the Pilot of an airplane presses a button during an emergency. The shit really just makes people feel better.
I've never jumped on the "everyone else" bandwagon. I've always done my own thing and what makes sense to me. It seems even the Right has the same herd mentality as they claim the Left is suffering from. I'm not a people pleaser nor do I try to fit in by saying or doing things just for the sake of appeasing others.
Masks do indeed work. They work for all sorts of things. Such are protecting against paint fumes, allergens, virii and deadly gasses. I'm not sure why it has to be a "left" vs "right" thing when either side simply ignores centuries of science to push their agendas.
I agree that I'm not in a high risk category and the death rate from the virus is very low. I also think we were foolish to shut down the economy to only delay the virus from spreading. I also think that if you run a store you should have the right to require your customers to wear masks and if you're a customer you have the right to not wear a mask and go elsewhere.
I wasn't shocked. I've dealt with mass stupidity for the entirety of my life. I agree that if you don't want to wear one that you shouldn't have to then at the same time I think that anyone who owns a business can deny you services for whatever reason they want - including you not wearing a mask.
I firmly believe if I own a business that I could deny anyone services for any reason I want.
I wear a mask because my wife is a germophobe, and I don’t need to be sleeping on the deck in mosquito season when she won’t let me into the house...
So I indulge her.
Lololol
Sure buddy, why not cite me some science proving mask effectiveness then?
Leftists always project. Always.
Hahahaha all you leftists are the same. I love it.
YOU made a hypothesis. YOU must defend the hypothesis. Me asking you for proof does not require me to prove the negative.
Not an argument.
I had some plumbers come over the other day.
Guess what? They WEREN’T WEARING MASKS!
QED
Edit to add: Enjoy your bloodletting procedure! Ca. 1750 every single medical professional endorsed them!
"Anti-science"
Jacobs et al. (June 2009). "Use of Surgical Face Masks to Reduce the Incidence of the Common Cold Among Health Care Workers in Japan: A Randomized Controlled Trial". American Journal of Infection Control. Elsevier. doi:10.1016/j.ajic.2008.11.002 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/
Conclusion: "Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds. A larger study is needed to definitively establish noninferiority of no mask use."
bin Reza et al. (July 2012). "The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence". Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses. Wiley. doi:10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779801/
Abstract: [There were 17 eligible studies included in this review,] "None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”
Radonovich et al. (September 2019). "N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial". Journal of American Medicine. doi:10.1001/jama.2019.11645. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31479137/
Conclusions and relevance: Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.
Smith et al. (May 2016). "Effectiveness of N95 Respirators Versus Surgical Masks in Protecting Health Care Workers From Acute Respiratory Infection: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis". Canadian Medical Association Journal (CMAJ). doi:10.1503/cmaj.150835 – via National Library of Medicine. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26952529/
Results: We identified 6 clinical studies (3 random control trials, 1 cohort study and 2 case-control studies) and 23 surrogate exposure studies. In the meta-analysis of the clinical studies, we found no significant difference between N95 respirators and surgical masks in associated risk of (a) laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection (RCTs: odds ratio [OR] 0.89, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.64-1.24; cohort study: OR 0.43, 95% CI 0.03-6.41; case-control studies: OR 0.91, 95% CI 0.25-3.36); (b) influenza-like illness (RCTs: OR 0.51, 95% CI 0.19-1.41); or (c) reported workplace absenteeism (RCT: OR 0.92, 95% CI 0.57-1.50).
Colds are coronaviruses. By that logic why would a mask stop the spread then? This isn't exactly anything new.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/general-information.html
Study: Masks are ineffective at preventing colds.
CDC: Colds are coronaviruses. COVID is a coronavirus.
Good luck buddy.
He's a troll that gets triggered easily. Lol They can't help but eventually (and quickly) expose themselves. They get SOOO triggered.
Oh like how you’ve been doing to me? Like how I showed you a study from the national institute of fucking health and your reply was “waaahhh whatever you’re not a healthcare worker” lmfao faggot
LOL Why so salty.