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It usually goes like this between Mask Wearer and I:

MW: Can I pet your dog.

I: Sorry sick people can't pet my dog.

MW: I'm not sick.

I: Then why are you wearing a mask.

MW: To stop the spread.

I: ...........

Bonus when there is a group of people and I let the non-masker pet my dog.

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Aquamine-Amarine 413 points ago +417 / -4

I read an article earlier today and it was scary how they were gaslighting and scaring people. They were shaming people who don't wear masks. Claiming that anti-mask people are in denial, are narcissistic, don't care about other people, hear conflicting facts... it was disturbing. These people are insane.

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IncredibleMrE1 291 points ago +294 / -3

Branch Covidians are insane.

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MAGAguitar 81 points ago +82 / -1

But their kids are held captive

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hjsjdvd 67 points ago +69 / -2

shows u the power of the media

blowing small things out of proportion and causing mass panic and civil unrest

people are always scared that a tyrannical government with no checks on its power might one day wreak havoc on the world. but they never thought of a tyrannical media with no checks on its power wreaking havoc on the world. what would stop the media from destroying the world if it wanted you? nothing. there is nothing restricting it. nothing that hold g it accountable

if one year they decided to lie through their teeth and cause chaos there would be nothing to stop them and nothing to punish them. would be many who would even defend their right to do it..

screaming at any suggestion that a multinational massively powerful entity have any restrictions on it whatsoever. If someone was to suggest that of the government they would be hung and attacks with pitchforks and torches. The idea that the government should have no restrictions and not be held accountable in any way for its actions. but for the meeting? You have people that actively advocate that they should be able to do and say whatever they want with no repercussions. No matter who gets hurt. No matter what happenedd no matter what they say..

the media could be said to have had more power than those governments. And less restrictions. The most unregulated industry in the countryy.

the only one with zero regulations. The only entity with no Bill of Rights or government laws keeping them accountable. making sure that they do the right thing..

what would stop them if they just decide to to do bad things? nothing would stop them. They could get people killed cause people to lose their jobs and take the entire world economy and nothing would happen to them. They would still have supporters saying that it was their right to do so. saying that any suggestion of restricting them over i

the media is terribly. The media is worse than the most tyrannical government in history. Because even the most tyrannical government in history had its citizens that understood it was a tyrannical government and we're keeping some kind of eye on it. Because when governments got to tyrannical the people would rise up and overthrow him. It was at least somebody holding them accountable. The media? nobody. They would be able to topple governments with their mere words. Destroy economies and build new ones. How is people to attack other people I didn't work terrorism wherever they choose. Is almost no limit to what the media could make people do. And there was no restrictio

it's terrifying. A dictator like Kim jeong un wouldn't even be as scary

nobody would defend him. His own people understand that the bad things he did were bad. And if you ever push too hard they would rise up against him. but the media? It will be people in this thread who defend their right to do whatever they want with no repercussions. Who defend even the most indefensible thingss..

it's terrifying and something hadd to be done about it..

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HockeyMom4Trump 7 points ago +7 / -0

Screw you both, I am making the movie.

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Varangian 6 points ago +6 / -0

Film rights secured? Mel’s interested.

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EvanGRogers 11 points ago +11 / -0

The root cause is public education. It should be privatized.

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Jackjet10 7 points ago +7 / -0

And to beat this dead horse once again—- people started putting their kids (8weeks) in day care— in the early 80’s— yuppie thing and some divorced families— my kids from 1977-1990 - no daycare ( Lord of the Flies) - first one of divorced but very amicable — 2nd child-close to first and we(her parents are still married 30+years) because: If you marry you need to make a lifelong commitment-no matter what—

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HockeyMom4Trump 6 points ago +6 / -0

My parents both worked and I stayed home with my brother all day. Ages 6 and 9. We ran the show back then, no daycare.

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Sum_devil 6 points ago +6 / -0

Media is the 4th branch of government.

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America1stAndOnly 5 points ago +5 / -0

Some might argue that the media is the 1st and only branch of the government. It certainly seems that way judging by the temper tantrum they've been throwing when things haven't gone their way.

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TheThreeSeashells 4 points ago +4 / -0

It certainly seems that way judging by...

...the amount of government criminals who end up in media when their political career is over.

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America1stAndOnly 1 point ago +1 / -0

That too.

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PurestEvil 5 points ago +5 / -0

The solution could be relatively easy: Every organization or person that operates as "news" and declares to do so (meaning not as parody) is liable for lies (intentional expression of falsehoods) that are relevant enough to harm or bolster a person's or organization's reputation in the public eye. Results from lawsuits which turn out to expose lies have to be published in some way.

Everybody who does not operate as "news" may continue to lie, but they may not be taken seriously because they are not held accountable. Might work, might not.

The essence is this: "I give my word that I am telling the truth and declare myself liable for it."

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the-new-style 4 points ago +5 / -1

Proving intent is very difficult.

Notice it goes like this:

  • Doing X will save your life ... claims a report out today
  • Biden is going to win ... according to a new poll out today
  • Trump is mentally ill ... says the author of a new book out today
  • Hillary Clinton is innocent ... says this opinion piece in today's Washington Post
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hjsjdvd 0 points ago +1 / -1

we have more than enough of proof of intent. we have undercover video of CNN producers calling the Russia thing mostly bullshit and then Jones saying that it was a nothingburger. we have undercover video of the New York times editor calling to go after Kelly Angela. we have multiple reporters willing to listen. there's more than enough to prove intent. just make the definition more loose..

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iamjohnwick 49 points ago +49 / -0

I’m stealing this. Black pill shit right here

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Cray_cray_ 15 points ago +15 / -0

I'm all in on black pill dispensary right now. It'll give them just enough time to recover before the election.

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thisisatestof2 29 points ago +32 / -3

I read somewhere on Facebook Today a Karen complaining about having schools reopen in the fall, she said she was too terrified to even consider working in the school because of the coronavirus and if we had all followed the “Rules” they had set early on somehow magically coronavirus wouldn’t be a thing anymore.

Let’s not forget that in many of the north eastern states masks were not a requirement until early May And none of them said anything back then, until the government told them what to say/think.

They don’t realize it, however, they are being played and used by the government. The government realize they could scare the ever living crap out of all these Karen’s by changing the rules and making scary sounding announcements to drag this out as long as they want and they bid it hook line and sinker.

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HockeyMom4Trump 8 points ago +8 / -0

Today on the MN local news they flashed a graphic that the USA had reached the grim milestone of 3,000,000 cases. They act like there are currently 3,000,000 in the ICU almost dead. They don’t explain to the sheep that this is cumulative and many have recovered months ago, many are asymptomatic, the majority have mild symptoms and recover. Nope. Instead, it is doom and gloom and the end of the world.

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lollergagger 10 points ago +10 / -0

Some of those counted are even probable cases. Hypothetical maybe viruses.

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thisisatestof2 3 points ago +3 / -0

Same here in may area, "OMG 3 MILLION cases, we all must stay home or they will all die and spread it it 3 MILLION more and they will all die," etc.

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StrongIsland 1 point ago +1 / -0

Fire Her, All of them, I don't need a braindead pussy teaching my kid, unqualified, NEXT!

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Internet_hugs 57 points ago +67 / -10

Fuck off Karen.

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OneHotLilPotato 12 points ago +12 / -0

Sometimes I do ponder how all the non asshole actual Karens must feel about their name being as synonomous with being a bitch as Chad is with being a stud.

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45isthebomb 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm sitting next to one of those that hate the name being used this way....

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America1stAndOnly 2 points ago +4 / -2

I'm actually with him against the Karen meme. It's a "joke" on the quality level of John Oliver, where he'd just randomly say someone's name at the end of the sentence and that's supposed to make us all laugh. Isn't that right Jenny?

See. Not funny. Quite lame.

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OranjeBlanjeBlou -17 points ago +14 / -31

Ah then I’m sure you’ve seen a significant number of Asian, black, Hispanic, and pacific island women called Karens?

No?

Of course not. It’s for White women only

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Internet_hugs 20 points ago +22 / -2

Start calling all of the crying liberals Karen. Share the love, and don't be so racist against white people. Racist.

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HockeyMom4Trump 3 points ago +3 / -0

A Hispanic Karen? Really?

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Postal 8 points ago +11 / -3

You must be a racist. I use it for anyone that meets Karen quality, no matter their skin color.

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trumpORbust 7 points ago +7 / -0

Asians are rarin

Hispanics are ?

Blacks are horin

Canadians are a'in

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JonahND 3 points ago +8 / -5

Yes, yes I have seen asian, black, hispanic, and pacific island karens. Karen is a mindset.

Fuck off, Karen.

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IFIFIF 8 points ago +8 / -0

Karen’s can even be aliens.... “Take me to your leader.”

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Internet_hugs 12 points ago +15 / -3

I've only seen Karen used on the internet, and it's always towards someone acting like a total cunt. Here's an idea, don't act like a cunt, don't be called a Karen.

Edit: Ah fuck I'm being trolled. Well played.

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labajada 11 points ago +16 / -5

So is "Snow White", who the fuck cares race baiter?

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booblitchutz 3 points ago +3 / -0

Buuuuuuuuuullshit

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TheThreeSeashells 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sounds like someone hasn't met many "non-white" women. I've actually met men who fit the definition of a "Karen."

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Realatician 10 points ago +13 / -3

Would you like to see my manager?

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BladderBeerPoopin 6 points ago +7 / -1

Just her tits.

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HockeyMom4Trump 4 points ago +5 / -1

I know you are getting tons of downvotes, but I do agree with you. It is overused now and I am over it.

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OranjeBlanjeBlou 1 point ago +2 / -1

Absolutely crazy the amount of people on here who insist on acting race-blind as racial violence happens in the streets

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ArtemisJBagfalls 6 points ago +6 / -0

branch covidians That's excellent.

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DefaultFreedom 64 points ago +66 / -2

Non mask people are sadly the minority.

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dakin116 39 points ago +40 / -1

Seriously, what happened? Back at the "peak" nobody around here was wearing a mask, now 4 months later I feel like a freak without one at the store.

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DefaultFreedom 56 points ago +57 / -1

People are dumb and they give into peer pressure.

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DefaultFreedom 44 points ago +44 / -0

They told us for months that masks were ineffective. That the particles were too small and would get in our eyes or other orifices. Neither Birx nor Fauci wore one. They discouraged all mask wearing until they found out it could be a wedge issue. Dressed decrepit old Joe in one and in his basement he will wear it at the beginning of a video.

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Aquamine-Amarine 20 points ago +20 / -0

You're not getting enough oxygen and you're reinhaling toxins your body is trying to exhale. Nothing about the mask is good.

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TheThreeSeashells 12 points ago +12 / -0

Remember they were also telling everyone to wear gloves everywhere, too. Then quietly reported that was completely pointless since surface transmission was unlikely. Same goes for asymptomatic transmission. All the "scariest" aspects of CCP Virus the used to scare everyone into compliance all proved to be false. Including the wearing of masks by asymptomatic people.

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Nigjdijeemejeee 2 points ago +2 / -0

They said that so that the hospitals could secure supplies.

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DefaultFreedom 11 points ago +11 / -0

So they lied then, but not now. Got it.

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silflay 16 points ago +17 / -1

No, it has not. Masks were not a recommendation in NJ until the end of April.

Then businesses started requiring them, but there was no way to enforce it aside from calling the cops which nobody did.

Then it was an executive order to wear masks indoors.

Only just today, JULY 8th, did the governor sign another EO to require masks outdoors.

Please, please enlighten me why this is a thing only now, after the curve has not only been flattened but decimated? If COVID is so deathly serious, why wasn't this a thing at the very start?

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DefaultFreedom 6 points ago +7 / -1

After Chinese New Year, after Mardi Gras, after the Superbowl, after St. Patricks day, yeah, then in April the CDC said people should consider voluntarily wearing masks.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/03/826219824/president-trump-says-cdc-now-recommends-americans-wear-cloth-masks-in-public

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JBPrickster 13 points ago +13 / -0

Yes but there is no proof of asymptomatic spread, only speculation. If you can’t spread it, why wear a mask?

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TheLion 2 points ago +2 / -0

The only “proof” of asymptomatic spread is from China, who claimed that an asymptomatic American is what caused their most recent outbreak. That claim was the dog whistle that the media needed to send people back into a panic.

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AstronoMink 1 point ago +1 / -0

"They can't stop a fart..."

"If it can't stop a fart, it can't stop a virus!" is my new motto/argument.

Thank you for such deadly ammunition.

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hjsjdvd 9 points ago +11 / -2

either it's effective enough but mashed prevent the spread so we should all wear them which means as long as we're all wearing masks we can reopen the economy and go back to work or masks are not effective enough to make it safe to reopen the economy in which case they are not effective enough to bother wearing them in the first place..

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ralphw 8 points ago +8 / -0

Listen here, Dr. Masks are for people WHO ARE SICK. And even then, they don't stop the spread of shit. Go take your Kool Aid over to Reddit.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2020836

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

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AstronoMink 2 points ago +2 / -0

Without delving into details or even looking at the sources (just the line of thought leading your argument alone), I can already point out that your first point--right there--is your main problem.

You are treating subjective opinion as if it has the same authority as hard, objective data. The fact that they even called their own piece a "Perspective article" and cited their "intent" already gives away its subjectivity, blatantly. While it may contain data & facts, the main point of the article is to persuade, and any time the intent of something is to persuade, you can quite safely bet that they are not presenting all the supporting evidence & arguments against their intent, if any.

The only intent of any truly objective science should be to inform and not to purposely sway individuals or drive their decisions one way or another. That is leaving the realm of science & fact and heads into the realm of rhetoric & politics. Any sway in perspective must be the result of science itself, not of science resulting from an intent to prove or disprove an idea only loosely derived from (often with many uncontrolled variables) the tested hypothesis. Though it is disturbingly common, that is Bull-Science, and it is an unethical, unrepresentative corruption of the scientific method.

As a researching biophysicist, few things anger me more than science politicized and compromised by an agenda or presumptive intent, no matter how subtle. So-called scientific "consensus" is the antithesis of hypothesis, critical thought, and science itself because "consensus" is solely a matter of opinion & interpretation. It does not concern proven data or fact directly; only opinions about them. Any data that can be interpreted more than one way is data that definitely needs to be experimentally repeated, refined, expanded, and more thoroughly investigated before any scientist has the right to call that finding "fact." Far too many scientists take liberties with this, let alone journalists without a scientitific cell in their brain.

So, it doesn't matter what their original intentions or interpretations are because that's bias leaking into science. That's trying to support your opinion with another opinion, and not with evidence. What you should be asking or pointing out is the data within the article and arguing what the data itself means, not what other people (even experts) think it means. All that matters--and in fact, what matters most--is that the data and findings are made available so freely thinking individuals can access information, critically consider it, and utimately decide on what action to take for themselves.

If you cannot understand or differentiate between these critical nuances of logic & science, then I am afraid no amount of evidence can help you & you have a much bigger problem on your hands than convincing others of what or how to think...

Now stop appealing to the biases of authority and kindly move along, mate.

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Freedomfries4u 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’m never wearing a mask got it mate? And if anybody forces me then I guess I’m going to jail for manslaughter

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one3five 38 points ago +39 / -1

don't feel like a freak

feel like a strong and free individual

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TheThreeSeashells 25 points ago +25 / -0

That's how I feel. I was in the supermarket last week and got on the self-checkout line behind some woman just standing there while there were three open stations. I asked what was going on and she turned to me, with a mask on her face of course, and told me she was waiting for them to clean the station. I just said, "Oh, OK", laughed out loud and proudly went ahead of her to check out.

My wife was a few feet behind me at that point and when we got in the car she told me the woman was pissed off, mumbling something about how she wasn't getting "Covid" and something about how we weren't wearing masks. My wife knew if she told me INSIDE the store I would have teed off. Actually my response would have been, "I don't plan on licking the checkout screen...do you?"

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FarmerJohnBacon 12 points ago +12 / -0

Perhaps you feel like a Free Citizen of the Greatest Country The world has ever seen . The United States of America. My Home. Your Home. This Land Was Made For You And Me!!

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one3five 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yes!

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MrsSilenceDogood 37 points ago +37 / -0

My favorites are the douchebags, yes douchebags, who wear one while driving.........ALONE!!! And of course you can't forget about the virtue signalers with it hanging from their rear view mirror. Kiss my dick. I hang an old dirty I found in the yard from my trailer ball.

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NuclearDreams 11 points ago +11 / -0

Eh it's not necessarily virtue signaling people who hang it from their rearview mirror. My workplace issued us masks and we are forced to wear them when we come in. A lot of people at my work absolutely hate it and hate masks in general so they just hang it from their rearview mirror outside of work so they don't accidentally leave it at home and get sent home.

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MrsSilenceDogood 5 points ago +5 / -0

Why would you take it in the house??

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BladderBeerPoopin 2 points ago +2 / -0

Can't wait to hear this one.

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America1stAndOnly 1 point ago +1 / -0

My workplace has been trying to force everyone to wear masks, but they only started doing that during this past month. It's become a clear power trip for them, but they also can't do anything to those that refuse because getting fired would mean making more money than we currently do due to the unemployment bonuses. It's all so tiring.

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ButteryFumes 9 points ago +9 / -0

JP Sears: People Who Wear a Mask in their Car https://youtu.be/6gnwgZli1_Y ENJOY!

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OconusLurex 4 points ago +4 / -0

I'm mystified by the people that drive by wearing them alone in their cars. Throwing one on your mirror, though, I don't think is virtue signaling. They're required by law here, so if someone's driving to the store, hanging it there is a good place not to lose it.

But the other day, in the grocery store, I saw the most pitiful thing ever: a man wearing a huge mask with "BIDEN" emblazoned across it. You know when you're so embarrassed by the thing you're witnessing that you just pretend that it, and you, and everything else, just don't exist? Yeah, that was me every time he & his wife/gf came into view. I'm a woman, and I felt emasculated on his behalf.

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Freedomfries4u 2 points ago +2 / -0

Maybe he was signalling to let other pedophiles know he was one of them?

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Boofsquad 4 points ago +4 / -0

Just the other day I saw a guy riding a motorcycle without a helmet and wearing a surgical mask.

The irony is lost on so many...

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trevortheshone 4 points ago +4 / -0

In my case, I went with the bane style mask. Pare it with dark glasses and it makes fellow drivers uncomfortable which is kind of douche-baggery I guess.

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MrsSilenceDogood 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is not being a douchebag, this is top level trolling. :)

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CantStumpTheTrump 5 points ago +5 / -0

IF i'm being forced to wear a face covering its going to be the most sketchy thing possible.

If you thought you felt "unsafe" because I wasn't wearing one wait until it looks like I'm going to jack you in the jaw and take your shit.

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Freedomfries4u 2 points ago +2 / -0

I have a balaclava that I plan on wearing if it gets to the point that they will force us to wear one. I wonder what the statistics on bank robberies are lately hmmm

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christianknight 17 points ago +17 / -0

Start stocking food and ammo.

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America1stAndOnly 3 points ago +3 / -0

Start? You mean you weren't before?

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christianknight 3 points ago +3 / -0

I lost all my guns in a boating accident.

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Aquamine-Amarine 14 points ago +15 / -1

I'm wondering the exact same thing. From March to June it was only "strongly recommended" to wear a mask. I didn't. Since the end of June when the illegal mandates started appearing, people have gone even more insane. Today was the first time I was stopped at a grocery store and told I needed a mask when they never bothered me before. I told them I can't wear one because of a medical condition (not exactly a lie, I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks and I had quite a few panic attacks just this morning). She didn't say anything further. I felt so anxious and uncomfortable shopping. I got out quick.

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DothrakiDani3 10 points ago +10 / -0

I played along until 4th of july. Reclaimed independence. Now I just carry it in my purse. Decided if hassled I'll drag it out of my filthy purse, not filthy but in terms of sterile mask proper usage might as well drag it across a bathroom floor...but fine. Does this make you feel safer? I have cloth on my face. But. Havent been bothered yet. And have often been the only person without.

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krzyzowiec 4 points ago +4 / -0

That’s what gets me. People think you can just put it on and it wards off everything like magic. You’d have to sterilize it, and of course you can’t touch it afterwards. And if it’s not an N95 mask then it’s just a face diaper.

In my area, the majority were not wearing masks at all. Unfortunately the city council unanimously just made it illegal to go shopping without one...

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silflay 8 points ago +9 / -1

I got hassled and tried the same line. Then he asked for a doctor's note. This was the manager of a grocery store. I laughed at him but he wouldn't leave me alone. Eventually I just left my cart and said he'd lost a customer for good and walked out.

Since then I've just capitulated on the mask issue because it's easier, and if I'm completely honest, I'm not a confrontational person so I get the anxiety as well.

It's really terrible. Going out for anything just makes me rage these days.

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MrHarryReems 7 points ago +7 / -0

It's against the law for dude to ask. HIPAA and all..

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silflay 2 points ago +2 / -0

That’s why I just laughed at him. But he continued following me around the store so I just gave up.

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Freedomfries4u 1 point ago +1 / -0

I feel you brother this needs to end you’re not alone because we are good people that are being abused by people like that store manager that is just power tripping. I’ve seen it when I used to be in corrections when another fellow guard is clearly not used to having authority in reality but give one of these people some and they instantly abuse it. Witnessed it countless times

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Gwoz8881 14 points ago +14 / -0

NMP matter!

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muhfeefees 6 points ago +6 / -0

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

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StaffordH 3 points ago +3 / -0

I was staying at a hotel last weekend and I would have to say that the majority of people I saw were not wearing masks. I was pretty happy to see myself.

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DefaultFreedom 2 points ago +2 / -0

I told the cashier at the store it was nice she was getting oxygen in her uncovered nose since it wasn't good to breathe CO2. I half expected the masked lady in front of me to say something, but she didn't.

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TuckerCarlsonsTie 50 points ago +50 / -0

Fear is the mind-killer. Paralyze the mind with fear, rational thought becomes secondary.

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JerryJerryJerry 3 points ago +3 / -0

THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED!!

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Basedcanadian 33 points ago +33 / -0

When people ask me why I don't wear a mask I tell them I narcissistic and don't care of they die and then I walk off slowly.

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LovingAmerica 5 points ago +5 / -0

^^^savage^^^ (might be my new go to.)

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ouvrez_les_yeux 8 points ago +8 / -0

You should escalate to a Zodiac Killer style mask.

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CantStumpTheTrump 5 points ago +5 / -0

I always wear a tshirt as an undershirt, I'll just look up these instructions if needed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7LjcFS3WX8

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Pedeberrycrunch 2 points ago +2 / -0

I prefer something like this, personally.

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NoSteppy1776 151 points ago +152 / -1

Not that these people care about logic, but the point of masks is not to not get it, it's to not spread it. So to repeat OP's question, if you're not sick, why wear a mask?

The reason they want us all muzzled with face diapers is the same thing as St. Floyd getting a gold coffin and 57 funerals. They're trying out symbolism again. If everyone's wearing masks, things look way worse than they actually are.

Fuck you, I'm not playing your make-believe game.

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UpTrump 61 points ago +62 / -1

Asymptomatic spread is rare. But that certainly calls to muzzle the entire population.

Sigh I hate the majority of people in this country. Sheep.

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c9AfEoF1StU7C2j2ZUv1 36 points ago +36 / -0

Asymptomatic spread is rare

It's also completely unproven for Kung Fru. There's no evidence to support the idea of asymptomatic contagion.

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justforthissubred -8 points ago +6 / -14

Bullshit.

You don't have to go all hyperbolic to make the point that asymptomatic spread is not a boogeyman. There is evidence of it.
That doesn't mean we need to freak out and set our hair on fire like the liberals want, but to say there's "no evidence" is irresponsible and somewhat demagogic of you. Meh. Shaming people for wearing masks is just as bad as shaming them for not wearing masks. I'm damn well making sure to wear a mask around my 90 year old parents even though I don't think I have Kung Flu. Only a fucking moron wouldn't.

Epidemiologic Evidence Most reports of presymptomatic (9–12), asymptomatic (13–15), or a combination of presymptomatic or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 transmission (16,17) were from China (Table 1). Presymptomatic or asymptomatic primary patients were typically exposed to SARS-CoV-2 during travel from Wuhan or another city in Hubei Province, China (9–16). One couple was exposed during a mass gathering in Shanghai for the Chinese Spring Festival (17). Reported cases of infected persons who transmitted the virus to others while presymptomatic or asymptomatic have occurred within families or households (9–11,13–17), during shared meals (10,12), or during visits with hospitalized family members (9,13). An inherent confounder to these reports from China is the inability to entirely rule out alternative SARS-CoV-2 exposure in the community early in the outbreak, when transmission in the community may have been undetected.

However, cases of presymptomatic transmission have been reported from other countries before widespread community transmission occurred. A report from Germany documented infection of a German businessman after exposure to a mildly symptomatic colleague visiting from China (18). Before becoming symptomatic, this businessman exposed 2 other colleagues who subsequently received a COVID-19 diagnosis but did not have contact with the primary patient from China or any other known source. A report from Singapore described 7 COVID-19 clusters resulting from presymptomatic transmission; presymptomatic primary patients varied from persons with travel from high-incidence countries to persons exposed in the local community (19). All primary patients experienced distinct periods of initial exposure and presymptomatic close contact with secondary patients who had no other known exposure risks. The incubation periods for presymptomatic primary patients with distinct exposures ranged from 3 to 11 days; for presymptomatic primary patients with travel history to an area with active transmission, the time from last exposure to symptom onset ranged from >2 to >9 days.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-1595_article#:~:text=Recent%20epidemiologic%2C%20virologic%2C,symptoms%20never%20develop).

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c9AfEoF1StU7C2j2ZUv1 10 points ago +10 / -0

Bullshit.

Dude, the articles just went through this site not two or three days ago, and of course there are plenty of others over the past few months. I'm not making shit up on a whim.

You don't have to go all hyperbolic to make the point that asymptomatic spread is not a boogeyman. There is evidence of it.

I'd love to see hard evidence, instead of anecdotal speculation. That's all I've ever seen in support of asymptomatic transmission.

Shaming people for wearing masks is just as bad as shaming them for not wearing masks. I'm damn well making sure to wear a mask around my 90 year old parents even though I don't think I have Kung Flu. Only a fucking moron wouldn't.

So, were you wearing a mask around your parents prior to this virus? This thing is hardly any different than the flu, the common cold, tuberculosis, etc.

Epidemiologic Evidence Most reports of presymptomatic (9–12), asymptomatic (13–15), or a combination of presymptomatic or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 transmission (16,17) were from China (Table 1). Presymptomatic or asymptomatic primary patients were typically exposed to SARS-CoV-2 during travel from Wuhan or another city in Hubei Province, China (9–16). One couple was exposed during a mass gathering in Shanghai for the Chinese Spring Festival (17). Reported cases of infected persons who transmitted the virus to others while presymptomatic or asymptomatic have occurred within families or households (9–11,13–17), during shared meals (10,12), or during visits with hospitalized family members (9,13). An inherent confounder to these reports from China is the inability to entirely rule out alternative SARS-CoV-2 exposure in the community early in the outbreak, when transmission in the community may have been undetected.

This entire paragraph is dependent on speculative analysis of anecdotal evidence, and is not proof by any means of asymptomatic disease transferal.

However, cases of presymptomatic transmission have been reported from other countries before widespread community transmission occurred. A report from Germany documented infection of a German businessman after exposure to a mildly symptomatic colleague visiting from China (18). Before becoming symptomatic, this businessman exposed 2 other colleagues who subsequently received a COVID-19 diagnosis but did not have contact with the primary patient from China or any other known source. A report from Singapore described 7 COVID-19 clusters resulting from presymptomatic transmission; presymptomatic primary patients varied from persons with travel from high-incidence countries to persons exposed in the local community (19). All primary patients experienced distinct periods of initial exposure and presymptomatic close contact with secondary patients who had no other known exposure risks. The incubation periods for presymptomatic primary patients with distinct exposures ranged from 3 to 11 days; for presymptomatic primary patients with travel history to an area with active transmission, the time from last exposure to symptom onset ranged from >2 to >9 days.

Half of this paragraph is also anecdotal speculative analysis, and not proof of anything. The other half is irrelevant to this discussion.

Here's a study that looked at transmission of asymptomatic patients. Zero transmission with 455 host subjects.

The WHO said a month ago that it's, "very rare" to spread asymptotically, and again, their evidence for the asymptomatic transmission is not all there, but instead conflation and speculation.

And, just think about it for two seconds. If you're not coughing or sneezing, the amount of particles that you're sharing to others is incredibly limited by comparison. If you're asymptomatic, you're not likely to spread it even if you can. The idea of asymptomatic transmission being a concern is laughable at best.

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justforthissubred -4 points ago +1 / -5

Holy fuck dude you rationalized like hell. You totally missed my point. Your last paragraph says exactly what I was saying. It's not likely. There's no reason to freak out. But to say there's "no evidence" or to suggest is doesn't happen is fucking retarded.

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c9AfEoF1StU7C2j2ZUv1 8 points ago +8 / -0

Could you care to provide evidence that actually supports the premise then, instead of speculative analysis?

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LieToMe 8 points ago +8 / -0

You’re welcome to wear a mask just don’t insist that other people wear them. We’re getting our data from China now are we? For how many days can presymptomatic patients transmit garden variety influenza to others. Do you wear a mask throughout each and every flu season to protect others ?

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justforthissubred -5 points ago +1 / -6

Did you read the article? It's not just data from China. You didn't read it. Fuck off.

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LieToMe 4 points ago +4 / -0

I did read it and then rolled my eyes toward heaven. I’m also an M.D.(I assume that you are not) andI’m sick to death of the subject. I’m sick of the MSM gaslighting. I’m sick of moronic laypeople’s opinions on COVID morbidity mode of transmission etc... Nothing about this virus warranted lockdowns or mask mandates. Nothing. So you fuck off.

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try4gain 1 point ago +1 / -0

For others - presymptomatic and asymptotic are different things

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LieToMe 1 point ago +1 / -0

We have that in common.

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zettapede 16 points ago +16 / -0

Democrats are the party of make-believe.

They make-believe men are women, seasonal flus are earth-shattering pandemics, and criminals are heros.

It's sick.

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Genericwhitemale 4 points ago +4 / -0

but muh incubation period and (disproven) asymptomic spread

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IncredibleMrE1 57 points ago +58 / -1

They deny the WHO finally admitted asymptomatic transmission doesn't exist, but they think surface transmission is so fake that they would pet your dog and give you the virus as a result?

HONK HONK HONK (two honks wasn't enough for this)

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p8riot 16 points ago +17 / -1

There's an important distinction. The WHO as an organization did not admit it, the WHO's technical director overseeing COVID research casually let it slip during a Q+A.

The WHO as an organization predictably walked back her statement the next day.

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thefastestdon 49 points ago +49 / -0

I'm sure it's great to see their NPC circuits frying.

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Guruchild 12 points ago +12 / -0

Sir, the dog will bite your face off.

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slangin_paint 37 points ago +38 / -1

The nice thing about having your own property is that you get to make the rules about who gets to share in it.

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WhitePowerRanger 24 points ago +24 / -0

Unless you’re in public school. Then it’s communism 101 with the Maoist teacher with the classic “did you bring enough for everyone?” Fuck public school and fuck commie Karen’s

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slangin_paint 8 points ago +8 / -0

Tell them you brought exactly enough fucks that everyone can have the same amount...ZERO

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WhitePowerRanger 8 points ago +8 / -0

Well I was 7 lol

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WhitePowerRanger 4 points ago +4 / -0

Another classic. Or “this isn’t a democracy, this is a monarchy” I got that from my history teacher all the time.

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slangin_paint 3 points ago +3 / -0

Hallelujah!

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Hunterscrackbaby 32 points ago +33 / -1

and where are our pictures of this MAGA pup?

I'm not mad, just disappointed.

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MudDog 7 points ago +7 / -0

I also need pics of this dog, for science

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texascpa 31 points ago +31 / -0

Similar conversation with my son yesterday:

Me: Why do I need to wear a mask

Him: To reduce the chance of spreading the virus to me

Me: But you're wearing a mask. Are you saying your mask doesn't stop the virus?

Him: uhhhhhhh.......

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MudDog 15 points ago +15 / -0

spoiler alert, it doesn't

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p8riot 5 points ago +11 / -6

I see that strawman argument here all the time. I think the honest argument would be that each mask worn reduces the chances further. So if both of you are wearing a mask he's that much less likely to catch it.

Not saying I agree with it at all, but I can at least present / follow the logic clearly.

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JimDandy 7 points ago +9 / -2

If neither mask filters out a virus then 0% chance of protection * 0% chance of protection is still = 0% chance of protection.

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p8riot 3 points ago +7 / -4

Are you sure it's 0? It's certainly not 100% but I don't think it's zero either. I'm pretty sure an N95 mask is supposed to be 95% effective..

My point I guess is that it's a disservice to present the counter argument so cartoonishly, because in the real world we encounter much more convincing logic. It's good to be prepared.

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B3fre 5 points ago +5 / -0

Of course, you're correct that each face covering will reduce the odds of transmission. The argument is a strawman because these things are not all or nothing.

Even if the passthrough per mask is 90%, 2 people wearing it will cut the rate to 81%.

The question is whether that efficacy makes it worthwhile to require face coverings (especially months after the peak). The risk of catching it and dying to it are rather low, but things like comfort and oxygen level are guaranteed to decrease.

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Slick_Willy 2 points ago +2 / -0

And that 95% is if its worn perfectly and changed out within a few short hours.

The best of the best that people wear, might be at most 50% effective and hardly anyone has those types of masks so the cloth covering is the norm which might cut down on the spread by 1% or maybe 2%

That is not worth anyones time to bother.

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LieToMe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Recent study in I think the Lancet had patients cough 5 times into their mask. All virus was cultured on the exterior of the mask. None as in zero was cultured from the interior portion of the mask.

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texascpa 1 point ago +1 / -0

Then, as I told him during further debate, he can wear two masks.

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chopz 27 points ago +27 / -0

The virus stays on surfaces roughly 30 times longer than it stays in the air according to CDC studies. Sooooooo...... Why are masks being pushed HARDER than a simply washing your hands?

Because they want to control you with something and they can't bust into your house to make you wash your hands or follow you all day so they threaten businesses and take away their licenses.

Wearing a mask is like have 4 flat tires, and only airing one tire halfway up and then driving off with 3 flat tires and a tire that will not do anything.

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Hillarysudders 22 points ago +22 / -0

Another way is tell them they look like a criminal (a stupid one at that) with the mask on, and the dog will attack. Might work better if it’s a larger type dog lol. Though chihuahuas are mean little fuckers.

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Mister_Wonderful 5 points ago +5 / -0

My mini dachshund would happily chew their legs off at the ankle.

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p8riot 1 point ago +2 / -1

Underrated movie. I took it as a metaphor for social media.

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seismic 16 points ago +16 / -0

I tried to dine in at lunch today. Was stopped for no mask. I asked how do you eat with a mask on. She said you can take it off to eat. I heard a loud honk go off in my head and left.

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FreedomIsntFree 4 points ago +4 / -0

Exactly, if this was as deadly as they make it out to be there wouldn’t be so many exceptions.

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philandy 1 point ago +1 / -0

The other end...

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had-to-chime-in 15 points ago +15 / -0

Sorry sick people can't pet my dog.

By "sick" OP means sick in the head

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magnokor 15 points ago +15 / -0

The humans wear the muzzle, the dog does not?

Maybe that is why this entire Chinese virus thing is being done, so the Democrat handlers have a reason to muzzle Creepy Joe Biden 24 hours a day so he doesn't bite more people, which might lose him some votes.

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philandy 2 points ago +2 / -0

They might give him a deep Darth Biden voice. "Donald, I am your father."

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Overkillengine 2 points ago +2 / -0

A mask would make it harder for Biden to get a good sniff of the nearest child when he is at public events.

But they'll have to truss him up Hannibal Lector style to keep him from groping them.

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jedmeyers 13 points ago +13 / -0

Dogs have evolved to read human emotions from their face, so masks confuse and may scare them. So I would not allow masked people to pet my dog just of this reason alone.

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jubyeonin 13 points ago +13 / -0

"Then don't spread anything to my dog."

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NormaJeanRocks 5 points ago +5 / -0

"Or me after I touch my dog you inconsiderate asshole"

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TuckerCarlsonsTie 10 points ago +10 / -0

I’m glad to see someone giving the Statists hell. No doggie pets given for the irrational human.

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maleitch 11 points ago +11 / -0

LOL....bitch you fucks change your story week to week. We both know after November you won't even care anymore. The party of unlimited abortions, pro crime, euthanasia is really attempting to frame themselves as having concerns of saving lives? No one buys your fake bullishit but your fellow cult members.

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sfmaga 10 points ago +10 / -0

The sheer stupidity of their contradictions and lack of common sense is off the charts.

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Jeffs42885 9 points ago +9 / -0

Mind fuck. What about mask and maga hat lol

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Slick_Willy 1 point ago +1 / -0

I would allow it.

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Ninki333 9 points ago +9 / -0

My dog is trained to attack... sometimes.

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WhitePowerRanger 4 points ago +4 / -0

When he’s in the mood

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Ninki333 6 points ago +6 / -0

If that ain't country...

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FreedomIsntFree 3 points ago +3 / -0

Because it’s only about control and fear mongering

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Deadangles 8 points ago +8 / -0

Brilliant. Tell them they could be asymptomatic and to get away

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Antenna 7 points ago +7 / -0

Similarly, I do not acknowledge any masked people even tho I live in a small town. I don't wave or say good morning in passing. Why? I can't identify them and talking to masked people SUCKS. They, on the other hand, often greet me by name because my face is uncovered. When that happens I look inquizzatively at them and say, "Who are you?"

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krzyzowiec 5 points ago +5 / -0

Often I can’t make out what people are saying when their voices are muffled by the mask. I had one guy freak out because I stepped closer to hear him better.

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philandy 3 points ago +3 / -0

Brilliant!

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NobodyLikesSplatter 1 point ago +1 / -0

I say something unintelligible. Just to prove the masks are moronic

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Rugar22 7 points ago +7 / -0

Lol perfect way to red pill people.

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HiddenDekuScrub 6 points ago +6 / -0

Some people take their dog on a walk. You take your dog on a troll.

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JohnBarron 6 points ago +6 / -0

Bravo.. Will start doing this

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SubaruKayak 5 points ago +5 / -0

I am going to steal this and draw on it.

This might be the most perfect logic loop mask thingy I've seen.

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not_a_shill 4 points ago +4 / -0

i allow all muslim children to pet my dog however.

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knightofday 4 points ago +4 / -0

Brilliant OP srs

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MrsNos 4 points ago +4 / -0

If our local farmers start wearing them when they are collecting their cattle feed then I know society is lost. Masks don’t work, it’s placebo for scared people and it’s creating antagonism. Madness.

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CookiesNCream 4 points ago +4 / -0

Was just having a mask convo with my best friend. She said today her 6 year old started crying before going into the grocery store with her bc she didn't want to wear a mask. She said it broke her heart. She is anti-mask but lives in MI.

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NYCforTrump 4 points ago +4 / -0

GOD BLESS YOU, PEDE!

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eatyourshitpeanuts 4 points ago +4 / -0

This made me laugh too much. Right on. Don't let the sheep touch your based doggo.

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senate11 4 points ago +4 / -0

That's fucking great.

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Omgwtfbbq 4 points ago +4 / -0

Dallas requires mask usage. All of the big cities do, long before Abbot’s mandate. How come they still make up a big chunk of new infections in that state?

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LieToMe 2 points ago +2 / -0

What are you actually measuring? They are not telling you. Hospitalizations and deaths are not increasing. Are they measuring previous infections ( IgG), positive tests caused by cross reactivity from other non-COVID coronavirus infections etc.... You are being punked.

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TheThreeSeashells 2 points ago +3 / -1

Mr. Spikeball a.k.a. Andrew Cuomo is citing an article based entirely on speculation and models and didn't read the article. Actual doctors are reporting that asymptomatic transmission is extremely rare.

I'll agree with you that sick people should either wear masks or better yet, stay home. That goes for anyone sick with any communicable illness.

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Slick_Willy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wrong

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FreedomFromGovt 6 points ago +6 / -0

Never mind the pets! Check this out: I took my 86 year-old dad to a Dr's appt and dropped him off because non-patients couldn't wait in the waiting room. An hour later, I got a call from the nurse that my dad's ready to be picked up; I told her I'll be there in 5 minutes. She said: "aren't you in the parking lot??" I told her: "no, I'm at a fast food place 5 minutes away." When I got to the Dr's office, the nurse brought my dad out and began scolding me, telling me that I have to stay there, and wait in my car, in the parking lot, during my dad's appt. I told her: "Ma'am, it's 97° outside and there's no shade in the parking lot; I'm over 60 years old, and I absolutely will NOT sit outside in my parked car for an hour...I flat-out REFUSE do it!!"

Can you believe the power-tripping shit these people are demanding??

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NobodyLikesSplatter 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah you’ll be dead in your car from heat exhaustion and a blood clot in your leg from sitting so long but.. rules man. Rules.

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NobodyLikesSplatter 1 point ago +1 / -0

Same! You have to wait in the car and they come out. The tech carried my kind of hefty dog inside and then carried her out and took my card and then returned my card. No gloves. No ppe. I didn’t hear a thing she said either because the mask. Something something that will be $68. So fucking stupid. Do they realize at all, if it’s that easily spread then we both got it from her handling my dog so much?

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Unhappymeal 4 points ago +4 / -0

A man of culture. I like you.

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Duugenheim 3 points ago +3 / -0

Based Chad

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loric4882 3 points ago +3 / -0

I walk 2 dogs for my elderly neighbors. I've often wondered what dogs must think about the mask scare. Here they've lived with and among humans all their lives, and all of a sudden they can't see our faces any more! Dogs read human faces constantly- they're very good at it; how confused they must be!

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NobodyLikesSplatter 2 points ago +2 / -0

Or what do little kids think?

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SpezDispenser 3 points ago +3 / -0

I lift at a powerlifting gym. Shithead Governor forcing masks n gloves to work out. Gloving up nearly impossible since they want it "closed fingered." Needless to say, most people arent gloved, and only half are masked. Those that are, are merely doing it to ensure that gyms remain open. Only emaciated soy addled dbags actually fearful of the sniffles. A true exercise in sheepdom.

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NobodyLikesSplatter 1 point ago +1 / -0

Good times.

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ChuckedBeef 3 points ago +3 / -0

Masks are an IQ test that the wearers have failed.

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