I agree with you and my perspective is coherent. It's been known since the start that this flu-pneumonia-like coronavirus primarily affects people over 60. Most children seem to be fine (less than 0.1% mortality) and as I've mentioned, maybe not to you but many times elsewhere today, there are causes of death (like Alzheimers, Cancer, Suicide, heart disease, stroke, diabetes, car accidents, a weekend in Chicago) that cause far more deaths and we haven't been quarantining the sick or locking anything down. The Covid isn't the hoax, the hoax is how abnormal and dangerous to everyone this is. This isn't the movie contagion - nobody is turning into zombies either.
I'm not trying to get anybody sick - I know for a fact that I am not sick. Ive been told by several people that I could still be carrying Covid despite no symptoms for March > April > June > .. July..
If it's not killing me now, am I supposed to just sit like an idiot at home in quarantine and let my life pass me by because someone in Texas or Alaska is afraid that me not wearing a mask and leaving my home somehow affects them.
There is a guy in Tanzania and another in Mongolia and another in the Phillipines right now not wearing a mask and probably jerking off into a soy product for shipment to the west. I'm in the 4th or 5th largest city in the country, the country is pretty much the size of Russia.. I'll be fine. Everyone will be fine. Unless they're not. But to be honest, many people wouldn't survive a week if the food stopped being delivered via big rig - so Covid is really the least of peoples' worries.
The sentiment that “you could be carrying covid” means that to other people in the streets and shops where you live, who don’t know your recent medical history and no idea who you are, you will be treated as if “you could be carrying covid.” Wearing a mask assures people that even if you are carrying it, at least you’re less likely to spread it. And it also helps protect the people working in critical infrastructure as you mentioned.
They don’t know or care about your good intentions. They see you without a mask in a time of pandemic and assume you have bad intentions. This makes them want to go out less, or work less (if they can help it). I don’t want more lockdowns. I want more economic activity. Wearing masks is one part of starting that again.
Actually - they only introduced mandatory masks a week ago. Before that, lockdown was lifting anyways and people - like me - were going about their business as usual. For some of us fortunate ones, we never took a single dime from the government and some of us kept going about business as usual for the entire lockdown. You think I cared about Covid-19 standing in a backyard building a fence or building a wall? Nope. I'm more likely to smash my finger with the hammer.
We ALL know 1) they were unprepared and started producing masks/ventilators/sanitizer en masse 2) around April 6th is when Fauci+ suddenly decided to start wearing masks, before that it was discouraged, emphasis on not needing one. 3) Antibody tests were de-prioritized 4) deaths were inflated due to mismanagement/deliberately 5) places like Japan had low death rates because Covid isn't the end of the world 6) Hydroxychloroquine + Azythromycin + Zinc is effective as both a cure and profilactic but we're not allowed talking about that 7) Bill Gates wants to poke you with a needle and the same people who insist I wear a mask are eager to take that vaccine 8) Covid doesn't affect Target/Walmart/Grocery stores, but it does affect my fencing business. gotcha
I've been saying since April. 'We go back to normal, when people go back to normal'. I'm a good example. I walk my dog, happy as can be. It's SAD to see so many people terrified by germs. You're all mentally ill. Life is dangerous.. wearing a mask to keep from Covid is the least of your worries - most of you can't make a fire on your own or lift a 50lb bag.
Why do you keep saying I'm afraid covid? I'm not in the at-risk cohort. I don't wear a mask at home or in the car or when I'm camping. I wear it in enclosed indoor places where aggregated risk of transmission is highest.
Fencing seems like a good business and shouldn't have been affected by lockdowns. At least it wouldn't have been where I am. Right now it's mainly restaurants/bars/clubs. Rioting is still okay though, for some reason.
Regarding your enumerated points:
agree.
agree. Fauci et al. made a huge mistake telling people they didn't need masks to cover up for the fact that they weren't prepared for this and needed to save all the masks for hospital workers (see point 1)
agree. We should have widespread antibody testing so we can see how long immunity lasts and how prevalent it is. It should be conducted at the same time as tests for active infections.
could be true, data is noisy.
Japan's case is interesting-- constitutionally prohibited from locking down, but widespread mask use. Low deaths despite old population. Would be nice to know the drivers behind their apparent success.
HCQ as a zinc ionophore has always seemed like a good hypothesis to me. Shame on the ignorant media for politicizing it.
I generally trust vaccines but will hesitate to take one that's been rushed through development and clinical trials. I am ambivalent on Bill Gates.
Covid does affect Target/Walmart/Grocery stores, that's where you need to wear the mask! And again, it's to protect the workers and other shoppers there, not necessarily for you. It's like a physical herd immunity.
Re: building a fire or lifting a 50lb bag-- that's a weird presumptive generalization. Non-sequitur by DYEL? In any event I've been camping and lifting and working on my house during this time but that's totally irrelevant to issue of masks.
Thanks for your reply. I don't think the last point is totally irrelevant.
Best way to survive Covid 2.0 is to survive Covid 1.0. I don't stress over a cut in the woods. If it gets infected, my body will fight it. Same goes for most things. It would be a good thing if people slowly got exposed to Covid 1.0, the peak is over, the precautions were/are in effect.. there's no reason healthy younger people can't expose each other sans-mask and be done with it.. next winter will be worse (scientifically-presumptively) if the virus comes back mutated and resistant to double the Ventilators again :)
"It's what Plants Crave!"
I'd rather those who are actually at risk, and those who are afraid and want to wear one do - and it's not mandated that healthy men with beards pretend a mask is keeping anything out.
I agree with you and my perspective is coherent. It's been known since the start that this flu-pneumonia-like coronavirus primarily affects people over 60. Most children seem to be fine (less than 0.1% mortality) and as I've mentioned, maybe not to you but many times elsewhere today, there are causes of death (like Alzheimers, Cancer, Suicide, heart disease, stroke, diabetes, car accidents, a weekend in Chicago) that cause far more deaths and we haven't been quarantining the sick or locking anything down. The Covid isn't the hoax, the hoax is how abnormal and dangerous to everyone this is. This isn't the movie contagion - nobody is turning into zombies either.
I'm not trying to get anybody sick - I know for a fact that I am not sick. Ive been told by several people that I could still be carrying Covid despite no symptoms for March > April > June > .. July..
If it's not killing me now, am I supposed to just sit like an idiot at home in quarantine and let my life pass me by because someone in Texas or Alaska is afraid that me not wearing a mask and leaving my home somehow affects them.
There is a guy in Tanzania and another in Mongolia and another in the Phillipines right now not wearing a mask and probably jerking off into a soy product for shipment to the west. I'm in the 4th or 5th largest city in the country, the country is pretty much the size of Russia.. I'll be fine. Everyone will be fine. Unless they're not. But to be honest, many people wouldn't survive a week if the food stopped being delivered via big rig - so Covid is really the least of peoples' worries.
The sentiment that “you could be carrying covid” means that to other people in the streets and shops where you live, who don’t know your recent medical history and no idea who you are, you will be treated as if “you could be carrying covid.” Wearing a mask assures people that even if you are carrying it, at least you’re less likely to spread it. And it also helps protect the people working in critical infrastructure as you mentioned.
They don’t know or care about your good intentions. They see you without a mask in a time of pandemic and assume you have bad intentions. This makes them want to go out less, or work less (if they can help it). I don’t want more lockdowns. I want more economic activity. Wearing masks is one part of starting that again.
Actually - they only introduced mandatory masks a week ago. Before that, lockdown was lifting anyways and people - like me - were going about their business as usual. For some of us fortunate ones, we never took a single dime from the government and some of us kept going about business as usual for the entire lockdown. You think I cared about Covid-19 standing in a backyard building a fence or building a wall? Nope. I'm more likely to smash my finger with the hammer.
We ALL know 1) they were unprepared and started producing masks/ventilators/sanitizer en masse 2) around April 6th is when Fauci+ suddenly decided to start wearing masks, before that it was discouraged, emphasis on not needing one. 3) Antibody tests were de-prioritized 4) deaths were inflated due to mismanagement/deliberately 5) places like Japan had low death rates because Covid isn't the end of the world 6) Hydroxychloroquine + Azythromycin + Zinc is effective as both a cure and profilactic but we're not allowed talking about that 7) Bill Gates wants to poke you with a needle and the same people who insist I wear a mask are eager to take that vaccine 8) Covid doesn't affect Target/Walmart/Grocery stores, but it does affect my fencing business. gotcha
I've been saying since April. 'We go back to normal, when people go back to normal'. I'm a good example. I walk my dog, happy as can be. It's SAD to see so many people terrified by germs. You're all mentally ill. Life is dangerous.. wearing a mask to keep from Covid is the least of your worries - most of you can't make a fire on your own or lift a 50lb bag.
Why do you keep saying I'm afraid covid? I'm not in the at-risk cohort. I don't wear a mask at home or in the car or when I'm camping. I wear it in enclosed indoor places where aggregated risk of transmission is highest.
Fencing seems like a good business and shouldn't have been affected by lockdowns. At least it wouldn't have been where I am. Right now it's mainly restaurants/bars/clubs. Rioting is still okay though, for some reason.
Regarding your enumerated points:
agree.
agree. Fauci et al. made a huge mistake telling people they didn't need masks to cover up for the fact that they weren't prepared for this and needed to save all the masks for hospital workers (see point 1)
agree. We should have widespread antibody testing so we can see how long immunity lasts and how prevalent it is. It should be conducted at the same time as tests for active infections.
could be true, data is noisy.
Japan's case is interesting-- constitutionally prohibited from locking down, but widespread mask use. Low deaths despite old population. Would be nice to know the drivers behind their apparent success.
HCQ as a zinc ionophore has always seemed like a good hypothesis to me. Shame on the ignorant media for politicizing it.
I generally trust vaccines but will hesitate to take one that's been rushed through development and clinical trials. I am ambivalent on Bill Gates.
Covid does affect Target/Walmart/Grocery stores, that's where you need to wear the mask! And again, it's to protect the workers and other shoppers there, not necessarily for you. It's like a physical herd immunity.
Re: building a fire or lifting a 50lb bag-- that's a weird presumptive generalization. Non-sequitur by DYEL? In any event I've been camping and lifting and working on my house during this time but that's totally irrelevant to issue of masks.
Thanks for your reply. I don't think the last point is totally irrelevant.
Best way to survive Covid 2.0 is to survive Covid 1.0. I don't stress over a cut in the woods. If it gets infected, my body will fight it. Same goes for most things. It would be a good thing if people slowly got exposed to Covid 1.0, the peak is over, the precautions were/are in effect.. there's no reason healthy younger people can't expose each other sans-mask and be done with it.. next winter will be worse (scientifically-presumptively) if the virus comes back mutated and resistant to double the Ventilators again :)
"It's what Plants Crave!"
I'd rather those who are actually at risk, and those who are afraid and want to wear one do - and it's not mandated that healthy men with beards pretend a mask is keeping anything out.