Witch Hunt Continues! The 7-2 ruling authored by Chief Justice John Roberts means that the subpoena issued to Trump’s long-term accounting firm, Mazars LLP, for various financial records to be turned over to a grand jury as part of a criminal investigation can be enforced.
(www.reuters.com)
WITCH HUNT 🧙🔥
Ok, I want to see all of Obamas sealed records. All school records, everything that was hidden
republicans don't play dirty, though
And that’s why they lose
fuck you, we win!
Um no we don't. We allow the left to dictate everything. We are always on defense.
Absolutely. Time and time again we allow the left to suck us into their insanity. We don't play dirty, we're too damn nice, we're too decent. It's time we're decent towards each other but vicious towards them like they're vicious towards us. Fire with fire. Eye for an eye. Biblical. It's the only way. If you can't see they're at war with us you're naive.
But that disenfranchises people just like we are disenfranchised by the left. I think just not being afraid to state our minds or talk politics goes a long way. Being a good debater who knows the issues inside out will go a long way towards converting people.
I understand wanting to protect your kids but I see these parents with full grown children and the kids don't even know what their parents do for a living let alone being versed in politics. So they will no doubt fall for the Democrat rhetoric and verfiy their facts through google's censored links and if they are smart in 10 years they'll get on the train but it is hard in your 20s when you're focusing on your own financial and personal development to then take on politics.
My point is the weakness of conservatives is not that we don't play dirty but that we're afraid of being slandered by the reeee crowd and that is because we don't know how to respond to vitriol that isn't based in logic. This is something a good parent should teach their kids maybe even before highschool is over.
"We don't know how to respond to vitriol that isn't based in logic." I swear that gave me goosebumps because of how many times I've said that. The more I've debated people on the left the more I realize how frustrating it is because they operate in a world of illogic, irrationality, emotion whereas we operate in objectivity, fact, truth, rationality. Since they operate in that world it makes it easier for them to move the proverbial goal posts as well.
I was in Florida a few days ago, got into a debate with a 78 year old Jewish doctor who hated Trump. (I have zero problem with Jews, I've been to Israel and we have amazing Jews on our side like Levin and Prager) I gave him fact after fact after fact and all he could respond with was "I don't know" or "he's an asshole" or "he only cares about himself." I even brought up Israel and he said "I don't give a shit about Trump and Israel!" yet he has family there and a pendant on a gold chain with Hebrew. He also claimed to be a "democrat socialist" but lived in a million dollar condo in Palm Beach County. I said "you're pretty capitalist for a socialist" and his response was "very funny." It's a combination of willful ignorance, cognitive dissonance, blindly adhering to your failed and failing ideologies.
They silence the he'll out of us. We can't be heard because they silence us!!!!!
Exactly, and just allowing this, the damage is already done. The narrative is already out there, so no amount of forthcoming facts or truth will help lay any of the inevitable media’s misinformation to rest.
Further, the moment they move ahead with this, and there will be plenty of “breaking news,” that will be blatant nothing-burgers to the logical, critically-thinking and aware people, but will further continue the necessary narrative to the sheep seeking confirmation bias.
Looking into taxes and finances, and you can find something implicating, or to frame as a negative implication and/or crime, on anybody. Hell, someone could go through my taxes during the year I made like $30k, and almost certainly find something to weaponized against me. This is why they often use the IRS to bring down criminals/mafia etc on unrelated charges (Capone’ tax evasion, el chapo, for instance are probably the most known examples). Point is, you can criminalize basically anyone by investigating finances and taxes, and it becomes even easier with people that are wealthy businessmen, entrepreneurs, investors, developers, etc. People like that are exposed to far more/far more opportunities to find something in a legal grey area, as it’s business as usual to find legal loopholes and creative ways to save money, pay less taxes, etc.
Perhaps they find nothing, but it’s unlikely. While they won’t find anything meaningful or serious to those who understand this stuff, it won’t be hard to find something minor, questionable, and in a grey area, that can be weaponized and used to push yet another orangemanbad theory necessary of an investigation
"Show me the man and I'll show you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria, head of Stalin's secret police
Maybe the grand jury isn't going after Trump but some other person or entity that also uses that firm.
Very much correct! They say the typical return reviewed by 30 tax experts will most certainly result in 30 different outcomes/bottom lines.
When you sign your name at the bottom verifying accuracy, you have just made yourself a criminal. The IRS/Government knows this.
Someone with Trump's financial and business reach probably has 100's of "Grey Area" stuff or mistakes or even just using loopholes. This tax thing was pushed for a reason, it is the one thing they can use to bring Trump down sooner or later.
When a conservative objects or wants a discussion SJWs call Repubs names like racist.
Name calling hurts so bad....wwahhhhh
We are not them and that is one of the best things about us. Viewing the old testament without the lens of the gospel can be misleading.
That's why we elected Trump. Other R's need to follow his lead.
The Republican party is an apparition. It is Vapor.
It's not real. It's just her to create an illusion that there's a 2 party system.
100%! Trump doesn't even have a political party backing him up, anyone who is America First is literally alone when it comes to having a political party. The establishment Republicans only want to sit in the background getting wealthy while never having to do anything. They are worthless old dinosaurs who need to be extinct and replaced.
Time to wake the fuck up
Uniparty controlled opposition.
Not for the invasions.
"You" choose to be on the defence. Conservatives can be on the attack to great(and devastaing) effect.
I suppose they feel as if their country is just not worth protecting(freedoms) anymore...Despite being willing to destroy an entire country and sacrifice their own economic future(as well as the lives of tens of thousands of soldiers).
Ironic...
We didn't win the Revolutionary War by playing by the rules. Quite the contrary.
Not a single revolution has happened playing by the rules.
There's no shortage of pro Trump candidates and if the majority is on board we just need to get them elected. Trump's recommendations also have unseated R congressmen/women in primaries. Why does the system need to burn?
..... I didn't say to burn the system? Just we can fight dirty within the system too?
Trump is the only one that has made any winning happening. Republicans just save face by being slightly behind the Democrats in stupidity. They are all owned/Blackmailed by the same people. Political Theater
What's dirty about prosecuting Obama? If he did something, a prosecutor has a right to charge him and see evidence. The courts just ruled!
Just because they play dirty doesn't mean you have to join them. The important thing is to call out the dirty play. Jesus was exposing the hypocrisy of the pharisees all the time. The first half of the sermon on the mount was all about calling out the pharisees' self righteousness.
And what happened to jesus?
He won!
All believers won.
Fuck that. No more excuses.
Republicans don’t try. They just sit on their asses eating the Democrats assholes.
The crime is a non citizen elected as President.
Bet he registered as a foreign student.
This a bad argument.
Even if your theory is he was born in Kenya, or even Malaysia, or wherever you want, for that matter, are you saying at least one of his parents wasn't a United States Citizen?
https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter-4
That is correct as far as being a foreign-born US citizen, but it will never make you a "natural born" citizen. A "natural born" citizen is being BORN ON US SOIL, and that is required for being President. No one ever had a problem understanding the meaning of "natural born" - always interpreted as born on US soil, till the left started trying to re-define and pretzel-logic that rule - prob due to the prior president.
So you would say Ted Cruz shouldn't run? Not being confrontational, just asking.
Exactly. Ted Cruz running for President destroyed the birther movement.
I would say now and thought at the time that Ted Cruz should not have run, and was not eligible under the Constitution as it was always understood, to be President. Prior to Obama being elected anyway. What was always understood, a "natural born" citizen is one born on US soil. Never an issue before Obama because nobody who wasn't born on US soil ever ran for President. Now, all you can find are a "search" on the net is that say, "Well, NOW it means if your mom, dad, was a citizen when you were born in some other country . . . it's fine! You can be President too". Just because some article says that does not mean it is true. Even Wikipedia says it has not ever been decided what "natural born" actually meant. Because everyone knew what it meant, and it did not have to be "decided" until it became inconvenient to a certain political party. IMHO of course.
Want Cruz born on like a military base or something which is like kind of a loophole iirc
Cruz was not born on a military base. He was born at Foothills Medical Centre in Calgary, AB, Canada.
Sorry, but you're wrong. A natural-born citizen is one that didn't go through a naturalization process.
Being born on US soil is birthright citizenship, which is not the requirement to become President of the United States.
A natural-born citizen refers to someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth and did not need to go through a naturalization proceeding later in life.
The phrase "natural-born citizen" appears in the U.S. Constitution. In order to become the President or Vice President of the United States, a person must be a natural-born citizen. This "Natural-Born Citizen Clause" is located in Section 1 of Article 2 of the United States Constitution.
The constitution does not expressly define “natural born” nor has the Supreme Court ever ruled precisely upon its meaning. One can be a citizen while not being a "natural born" citizen if, for example, that person gained citizenship through the process of naturalization.
My mother and father were born in Cuba. They became US citizens when they were naturalized.
I was born in the United States and am a natural-born citizen because my father was a US citizen at the time, and also because I was born on US soil.
My wife was born in Venezuela to a naturalized mother, therefore making her a natural-born citizen because my wife did not have to go through the naturalization process.
Silly drumpftard, laws and rulings don't apply to democrats.
Yup if he has to provide his. It also should be we get every politicians tax records. Nothing can be sealed.
Every. Last. One.
These motherfuckers are going to start coming.
Also hunter is now legal
There's already precedent. Now all it takes is a simple order from the president to do it.
bruh they are retarded, they lost to a guy who objectively wasn't even really trying
So all of Hunter and Joes taxes are now fair game. Publish all of the swamps returns down to the Pentagon analysts.
Yep, I'd like to see the financial records of every single career politician now. Let's start with the Biden family, Obama, and Pelosi.
The fire rises
Throw in a bunch of Rinos too. McCain, Romney, make them burn.
Pelosi, Schumer, Graham,
Maxine. I'd be delighted to learn how such a fucking moron earned millions of dollars on a congressional salary.
+ Clinton’s and Clinton Foundation (and their role in Haiti when she was S.o.S)
What kids?
And, staffers that have been with the same agency for more than 3 years...
ALL THEIR RECORDS TOO!
ohhhh is that the 12D underwater chess here?
I WANT TO SEE THE FINANCIAL RECORDS OF EVERYONE ON SCOTUS
If you think limp wristed Republicans are going to bring that to Demoncrap doorsteps, your are wrong.
Fuck John Roberts. Complete loser. Not shocked with this decision though.
this is 7-2...not just Roberts...who is a cuck.
I saw 7-2 against POTUS and immediately said Alito and Thomas dissented.
I was correct.
Here's the ruling for anyone who wants to read it. (Pdf) https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/19-635_o7jq.pdf
Yeah...wtf happened to Kavanaugh???
I honestly can't stand Kavanaugh. People on TD were so happy about him getting appointed they ignored how much of a jackass he really is. The all-female clerk virtue signalling? A Bush appointee? It was never going to turn out well.
That woman would've been so much better. Amy Barrett?
Gorsuch is awful so far
His name is now Gorswitch.
Someone didn't read Thomas and Alito's dissent in the Mazars case.
Thomas dissented because he wanted the Court of Appeals decision completely overturned, not remanded back to them.
Alito dissented because 1) he agreed with Thomas and 2) he didn't think the structure the SCOTUS majority put around the remanding order was substantive enough.
Probably because the ruling just sent it back to the lower court vs ending the debate in favor of Presidential priviledge and separation of powers.
I know. But still Fuck John Roberts.
Yes. Fuck that guy.
Yeah, fuck that guy right in the butt and harder than he likes!
Exactly! If there were anything there they would have already shouted it from every mountain top
Agreed. Remember how big of a nothing burger the leaked tax returns from 2005 turned out to be? When you make money like Trump, you pay very good accountants to balance the books. Plus, wouldn't the IRS audit have found wrongdoing if there was any in the returns? you bet they would.
This got me thinking... I wonder how many establishment politicians have been audited by the IRS?
I'm guessing the answer is zero.
The problem is that it's a tax return. Some liberal nitwit will pick it apart and say Trump didn't pay his "fair share." The media will just parrot that bullshit, even though these returns have been audited up the wazoo.
The good news is that there are some procedural tricks that can still be taken to slow walk compliance until after the election at this point. In the NY case, proceed with a motion to quash and appeal it all the way to the Court of Appeals, if needed.
And Congress won't get the records anytime soon. This can be mooted by regaining the majority in the House.
They will regain the majority at some point plus they WILL go after Trump once he is out of office if he doesnt ensure they are held to account first!
You’re right, but look at what they did with nothing but fabricated shit in the Muh Russia investigation. If they get these returns, they’ll be twisting actual facts to fit their BS accusations.
Dayam!
Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.
The problem now is things are so partisan, the GOP cannot afford to temporarily lose power in order to root out these people, because they may not get back in power with the things the liberals want to do. They have to acquiesce to Collins, Murkowski, and Romney
Compromised.
I don't know why Trump keeps picking these losers. Dammit.
They were put up by the Federalist Society. They are the ones that gave him the list of prospective nominees.
Dammit, we elected him to lead, not to be duped by tools.
They played their theatrical controlled opposition parts well
FAGS
Huge disappointments! Just huge
Slack-jawed faggot
Not justifying Roberts vote, but...
The decision of who writes the opinion is made by the most senior member of the majority. In this ca se Roberts appointed himself to write the opinion.
Had Roberts not joined the majority, the opinion would have been written by the designer of RBG. In other worlds it would have been RBG, Kagan, or Sotomoyor. And it might have had much more sweeping liberal bias.
It’s possible that Roberts joining the majority was strategic.
Very unimpressed by Kavanaugh and Gorsuch. These are the same shenanigans used against Kavanaugh and he is approving them!?
Roberts wrote an extra decision with this one as opposed to the rest of the court. Thomas was shortchanged by two.
Gorsuch fucked us on the Indian decision, siding with the liberal hags.
He's completely compromised. The definition of deep state shill.
Actually the decision just says he's not immune outright to attempts to subpoena such records. He can still defend against them, and likely tie this up in court until well after the election when it won't matter anymore.
That's exactly what is going to happen, yes
They won’t get that far until after the election. It’s going back to the lower courts for litigation
It's my hunch that this is another game by Trump on the media. There are only two reasons he is fighting this. 1. Fuck them, he can't let them fuck with every future President because he didn't fight this. 2. Can you say Al Capone's vault part two? After all the hopes of the left they will just find out the same thing they did with Maddow's bust, he paid a shit ton of taxes. That will be a glorious salt mining day!
THANK YOU. This is a win. Supreme Court pushed this off until after election.
If they really wanted to be dicks... They could of just granted Congress the right to his tax returns. Which is what they wanted. They did not.
Sounds like a win to me
No no no , haven’t you heard? ORANGE MAN FINISHED. expect his resignation by the end of this evening!
Exactly. People need to chill out here.
All the argument about was whether he could be subpoenaed in the first place. The Supreme Court said sure, but he has the right to still argue the subpoena process.
The taxes won't come to light until after the election, and they might not come to light at all if Trump's legal team can tie up the opponent with more arguments to challenge up to the Supreme Court.
Furthermore we got a win in the fact that they also ruled Congress cannot compel the President to turn over his tax returns. That was a huge deal.
Yeah. The only thing that's bad about the taxes being released is that, like any billionaire, he doubtless has extremely complicated finances that could never be understood by the average layperson.
The Dems know they won't find anything actually crooked, but they'll find a lot of stuff that's convoluted and they can make it SOUND shady to normies if the media frames it that way, even though it's all entirely normal for people with his kind of money.
Expect a lot of "He has investments in RUSSIA!" when he's got them all over the world and the like.
"Supreme court rules white people need to get on traincars and we will tell them why later but right now they just need to get on the traincar"
Lol, not only could this happen, it did happen back in NAZI Germany. Not too many people know that anymore, which leaves me to fight the progressive secret police with my bare hands when they bust into my front door to administer my free vacation.
Or they'll just "leak" a doctored return.
That's why they've wanted to have his tax returns in the first place. 50 years worth of millions of dollars in transactions per year between hundreds if not thousands of transactions.
Any typo, rounding error, omitted numeral, not carried 1, would be an entire impeachment case on its own.
Why exactly are they trying to access Trumps financial records? What criminal investigation is trying to reach back into Mazars records and how is the President involved?
saw details here https://nypost.com/2020/07/09/scotus-rules-ny-prosecutors-can-access-trumps-financial-records/
They're still going after the Stormy Daniels angle... LOL
Don't forget, Jerry Ompaloompa Nadler has been fighting President Trump in NY since the 80's. I guarantee you that Nadler is working with the Prosecutors office and...there is no way he could undervalue his assets... that valuation is not taxable unless a transaction occurs... THEN you have the transaction records to go by. I bet my last dollar that President Trumps finances are spot on. They HAVE to be to get the money moved he did.
I remember that. Nadler's pet project was to build above the West Side Yards, but Trump owned the air rights to that and he said Nix.
The rest of the Dems loved Trump until the day he came down the escalater. but Nadler's had it in for him for decades.
Read the "Art of the Deal", there is more about Nadler in there...
That has to be all public info tho. The property tax values should be public already on the tax rolls. They could do this without tax records.
Property assessed values for NYC seem to be here: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/finance/taxes/property-assessments.page
You are correct. There is no need to see it, they got Choen to say what he did to open the door for the grand jury. Remember, a lot of the big mobsters were taken down by "tax evasion" not RICO...
this doesn’t make sense to me regarding the undervaluing of assets- every jurisdiction i have ever lived in has an assessor that pretty much unilaterally decides how much the taxable value of your property is. you get a bill that says “pay this amount or we will kick you off this land and take you to jail”
It's ridiculous too. Properties are held at different values for different reasons BY LAW. Depending on the assets, they may be held at cost or Fair Market Value. In the case of homesteads, there are other rules like a cap on the amount the tax assessor can increase the value of the property from year to year.
Companies may report assets on their financial disclosures that is different than how they would internally value the assets because of accounting rules.
Because of the long period of time, there are likely assets that were impaired during a real estate slump that are still on the books at reduced values and would not be written up to FMV until sold.
I am not an accountant, but familiar with different accounting rules and standards.
Property taxes are decided by the municipality, not the property owner. Trump could say his property is worth $1. The municipality would then come back and say no it’s worth 2 billion dollars. They then go to an arbitrator to decide the value and tat value is what property taxes are based on. This entire accusation is directed toward anyone that has never owned property and has no idea how these things work.
And as far as the payments go. This was paid for with a check, and how would taxes from 8 years ago have anything to do with a campaign finance violation? Was trump running for office in 2012? This is completely political and will obviously leak from Cy Vances office in an attempt to hurt the president and nobody will be held accountable.
a.k.a. "Democrats"
Guys. It's over. We never voted for Trump knowing that he was a playboy billionare.
I can see the headlines now: "Billionaire bangs women back when they were hot."
Here's what I don't get - is that illegal? Is it illegal to toss some money at a woman so that she wont tell anyone about an affair?
Especially when money was what she was after in the first place
And every municipality overvalued the asset.
I bought my child a used car from a rental agency for $12k. My city said for tax purposes it is worth $25k. This car doesn’t even cost that much brand new. I filed an appeal including my bill of sale as proof of fair market value, and now its up to them to agree or deny. But come on. They know these values they use are outrageously inflated. They are not based on blue book values but rather a special contractor they pay to issue overvalued estimates of all property.
His wifi network name?
Not_Hillarys_Wifi
Epsteins_wifi_didnt_disconnect_itself
😂
Like his Wi-Fi network service set identifier? Not sure what you mean by SSID
If you think the prosecutor doesn't want to leak the returns to benefit Democrats I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
That bridge, except for the Brooklyn on-ramp, is entirely in Manhattan, though... the border between the two boroughs is actually the Brooklyn/Queens bulkhead line, not in the middle of the river where you'd expect it to be.
This has a weird consequence: they wanted to build a big box store, a Costco or Home Depot or similar, in Long Island City on piles in the river. The result would have been a store legally in Manhattan, with the parking lot in Queens.
No need, I already own that bridge. My ancestors dug a hole there and crapped in it 400 years ago so it's mine now. Thank you Supreme court.
double peach mint attempt
They want to expose him paying hush money to Playboy models he allegedly banged.
Doesn't matter, still voting Trump
Let's get hunters tax returns too
There is still a hold on Trumps financial records for BOTH NY attorneys and congress. This only allows the transfer of tax returns (a lot of fake news going on in this threat)
Please create your own post - would love to get the facts
They will be leaked.
They'll "leak" doctored records, just wait.
tax returns, i don't understand. the irs would/ should have caught anything fraudulent, no?
Especially with the hard-on they have for targeting conservatives for audits and enhanced red tape.
Democrats dont care about that. The tax returns were filed by a public accounting firm so they were assumedly filed according to the law.
The media and dems will look for what they refer to as "loop holes" which means allowed by law but hurts their feelings.
Think about Amazon. You always hear the talking point that Amazon doesnt pay taxes. What they fail to mention is that the company had net operating losses for years which according to tax law, they are now able to roll forward and net those past losses against current net income in order to avoid taxes.
The majority of the population doesn't know shit about taxes. The media will just say whatever they want about his returns and idiots will say "yup, it's true, fuck drumpf."
Especially since citizen Trump probably had a team of tax professionals managing his taxes.
Hell, my taxes could be fucked 75 ways and I'd never know. That's why I pay someone to do it.
Bare with me, but we know GEOTUS loves the USA. I doubt he's been cheating on his taxes with a major accounting firm. It's not like he's inflating is interest payments on TurboTax.
I doubt there is anyone that has gotten "hush money", because for the last 4 years literally every "news" network would have made a multi-millionaire out of anyone with something damaging to say against GEOTUS. Heck, several wackos made shit up out of thin air and got serious air time.
Yet all this time, the DNC and their minions have harped on these damn tax returns, like its a smoking gun. Thousands of hours and millions of dollars have been spent pursuing this, and its really their only remaining "beef" with any legs.
GEOTUS released the Ukraine transcript hours after "the wistleblower" story came out and proved it was a nothing burger. Then the Decepticrats looked stupid with the whole Impeachment theater.
I'm willing to bet that the leak will be X has seen the documents and says that GEOTUS did X, and then hours later GEOTUS releases the full documents and shows they are clean.
The TDS crowd just gets exposed for the rabid lunatics that they are, and they lose a battle they have been fighting for 4 years.
It doesn't matter if he cheated. They can always find one or two crackpots that will say something was illegal. And if a deduction was legal, they'll just call it a loophole and crucify him over that. Hell, even if his returns are cleaner than a preacher's sheets, just a headline that "Billionaire Trump only paid 2 million in taxes in 2015" is good enough.
I really think its this. I don't imagine the average American would understand his taxes, much less wade through them in the first place. So as usual, this would allow the media to tell the public what they want about the return. Try to spin an asset or deal to RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA, etc. I think it'll also give the brilliantly devious evil minds on the left some insight. I dont know what. But they cant figure him out or how he won or how he's still standing. They'll take any info rhey can get their hands on, I'm looking at you, Schiff.
Who cares? That's all they've been doing anyway and it's never going to stop. Sane people are tuning that crap out...
Any lefties who get a hand on a tax return will leak it (only if they like to)
It will take months for them to see them. It’s back to the lower courts. So it won’t be till after the election.
Plus, only a grand jury can see them.
inb4 a leftist juror leaks them
Won’t matter. They won’t even see them till after the election. By then no one will care. Hell, almost no one cares about his tax returns now except for lunatics
You're right that makes me feel better. It's pretty useless at this point.
Only media and political adversaries care. They needed dirt like this on him back in mid 2016. Now everyone knows who Trump is. They either hate him or love him.
Pray every day that R retakes the House in Nov. It’s literally the ONLY way this madness is going to end.
Yeah it’s unavoidable now
only if it makes DJT look bad. if it’s determined that this accounting firm is bulletproof and crossed every T and dotted every I, that would be good PR and this will get memory holed.
either that or they will say “that time Drumpf put quarters into a vending machine for a diet coke was not accounted for, here’s how this means he’s laundering money for sure through russia with help from PuTiN”
from my understanding SCOTUS was not ruling on if the state is justified in seeking his tax returns, only on the broader concept that the president is not immune to criminal investigation, as the basis for blocking subpoenas.
Am i wrong?
No you're not wrong. Per Trump's tweet: The Supreme Court sends case back to Lower Court, arguments to continue.
I'm glad someone knows the law and the legalese because you can't simply rely on the headlines, even from conservative outlets. They are in such a huff to get the story online well before they dig into the actual opinions. This happens over and over with SCOTUS rulings.
i have to assume this ruling was expected - it has far reaching implications for an actually corrupt president being investigated by a state.
i believe they are immune from federal prosecution outside impeachment (because as the chief executive officer you cannot have people under you that you must answer to).
But I think a state as not subordinate to the president has a right to investigate where probable cause exists, the problem becomes when there is malicious prosecution. Now whether a state can prosecute a sitting president, that I would have to hear more arguments from a constitutional perspective to make an informed opinion.
This is correct
if you get corrupt prosecutors and judges to sign off on the subpoena it would.
I honestly doubt they will find anything criminal in it. It will be another nothing burger and the Dems will have egg on their face. Trump should follow up by asking for Biden, Pelosi, and Schiff's tax return docs
This. He's been using his tax returns as a carrot on a stick since the election. The shills in here whining about it probably think Trump files like they do. 1040ez on TurboTax.
They will be sure to find something, even if it's a stretch. This is just a continuation of "Show me the man and I'll find you the crime"... disgusting behavior
It is classic 12-D chess for GEOTUS to dangle something before an adversary, get them frothing at the mouth over it, and then give it to them, only for them to realize it was nothing all along and a complete waste of their time and energy. Meanwhile, GEOTUS uses the opening to accomplish wins.
>the Dems will have egg on their face
Assuming they follow through with a story after it stops going their way
PEDES: This is not quite right. Trump is given an open window by the majority to make a bunch of other arguments against the subpoena, and they even give him a couple proposals. The only argument he is not permitted to make is a categorical immunity.
SPEZ: Here is a quote from the Court's opinion at pages 20-21 (which Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan all agreed with):
[A]lthough the Constitution does not entitle the Executive to absolute immunity or a heightened standard, he is not “relegate[d]” only to the challenges available to private citizens. Post, at 17 (opinion of ALITO, J.). A President can raise subpoena-specific constitutional challenges, in either a state or federal forum. As previously noted, he can challenge the subpoena as an attempt to influence the performance of his official duties, in violation of the Supremacy Clause. See supra, at 17. This avenue protects against local political machinations “interposed as an obstacle to the effective operation of a federal constitutional power.” United States v. Belmont, 301 U. S. 324, 332 (1937). In addition, the Executive can—as the district attorney concedes—argue that compliance with a particular subpoena would impede his constitutional duties. Brief for Respondent Vance 42. Incidental to the functions confided in Article II is “the power to perform them, without obstruction or impediment.” 3 J. Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States §1563, pp. 418–419 (1833). As a result, “once the President sets forth and explains a conflict between judicial proceeding and public duties,” or shows that an order or subpoena would “significantly interfere with his efforts to carry out” those duties, “the matter changes.” Clinton, 520 U. S., at 710, 714 (opinion of BREYER, J.). At that point, a court should use its inherent authority to quash or modify the subpoena, if necessary to ensure that such “interference with the President’s duties would not occur.” Id., at 708 (opinion of the Court).
Thanks, I was a bit confused by this headline. I thought the case was returned to the lower courts for more arguments...
Both cases were returned to lower courts and need more arguments now, that's true.
Doesnt this also set a precedent that people can go after and get biden's records too?
Lol, you silly head, Bidens a Democrat. Different set of laws.
Kek as if there are laws. They are just plain immune
no - the SCOTUS did not rule that trumps tax records are public - only that a president can not use the office as a shield for a subpoena. So if you want to see Biden's sealed records you would need to find a DA and a judge willing to sign off on that subpoena, this case has no bearing on that.
Here's to hoping that virtue signalling ends
What is the criminal investigation they are pursuing?
Payments to hookers
Anything and everything...
well of course
rude twitter posts
It’s illegal to offend people on the webz now
"The ruling in that case does not mean the documents will be handed over immediately as there is likely to be further litigation in lower courts, which means a final outcome could be delayed in both cases until after the Nov. 3 election in which Trump is seeking a second term in office."
Reading the entire articles is important.
Yep... That isn't just online either, it's just simply human nature
So expect leaks to the media in the next few days.
Jokes on them when/if they get them and they find absolutly nothing wrong. This also makes Joe's financial records accessible. There would be ZERO justification for not allowing it.
Also now I bet Nancy brings the house back to work. Not to help with covid, but to destroy Trump, they won't.
I want to see all the fuckin Dems tax returns...fair is fair!
I have a feeling this is a huge bait, both of trumps appointees voted for it.
Hillary would have acid washed these records long ago.
What criminal investigation?
Muh hush money payoffs.
dirty NY State prosecutors trying to stir up more shit
I see this as a win for POTUS. The Court has assured more litigation which will take this past the election, so the Dems, media, and deepstate can't grab his tax returns and twist them into their own narrative. Congress kind of got smacked down too. After the election, nobody will care.
Why was this investigation ever allowed? I’ve never seen these leftist witch hunters ever offer any shred of justification for their bullshit. It’s clear they just hate Trump.
WOW. WORLD AGAINST TRUMP.
I want to see John Roberts records.
This is the Democrats new attempt to unseat Trump after their numerous previous attempts.
How this is not election interference or a witch hunt is beyond me.
Fuck the Democrats.
Like every other pseudo event we've allowed ourselves to be sucked into by the left there will be no there, there. It'll be more wasting resources, time, energy and we'll be sucked right into their insanity. It's all we'll talk about, it's all fox news and breitbart will talk about, instead of the things we should be talking about. We're too decent, too nice. We could learn a lot from the left and their tactics but it's not in our nature to act like them. They are at war, we are not.
Don't you have to have evidence of a crime in order to subpoena records? Heck, don't you need evidence of a crime in order to even investigate? sounds like these dipshits got everything bass akwards.
Can we get an officially branded thedonald.win board for how many days will pass until the tax returns are selectively leaked to the media?
Even if there isn't a single controversial deduction on those taxes, the headline will be "Trump only paid xx million in taxes." Plus, the idea that the media can't find ONE tax professional that will go on TV and say that "he depreciated this asset too quickly" is crazy talk. They will be running headlines for weeks about Trump cheating on his taxes.
I saw another comment about "undervaluing assets." There's a whole impeachment case right there. Trump valued a hotel at xx million dollars. You think the media can't find ANYBODY to go on TV and say that the hotel is worth double or triple that amount?
in what municipality on Earth do the County/City Tax Assessors take the landowner's suggested market value of the property into account, ever, when figuring out how hard to rape said landowner with taxes?
This is what happens when the AG doesn't punish the deep state criminals. It continues until someone finally steps up.
Trump's second term AG should be a barn burner after taking back the House.
My understanding this does a few things.
Keeps Congress from his records.
Kicks it back to state where it will basically stay until after election.
So it bars Congress (good) and buys time (good) but the piper will be paid after election (not so good but makes law sense)
Am I wrong? Our first priority is get MAGA reelected and this helps that.
Yep he was looking bad based on Liberal polls
And not on voter / rally enthusiasm
What a maroon
Could anyone explain to me why they are able to subpoena records when showing tax returns was always optional? Or do I have this situation wrong? This doesn't make sense to me.
I want every member of fucking congress' fucking tax returns and their spouses and children as well!!. Fucking pussy republicans. I'm so fucking mad right now I could chew nails
These scumbags are obvious terrified that Trump is still capable of winning again.
@SemperFree
LOL Didn't you hear? Obama's team of attorneys were paid a pretty penny to see to it that his college records were sealed--and stayed that way.
Why? Because he was probably enrolled as a FOREIGN student, receiving a foreign student grant. Uh-oh.
Witch Hunt Continues is the only part of this I can understand.
Uhhh hey dumbass, the county/state sets the value of real estate taxes, it's not the fucking honor system..... Good lord this guy is a moron.
Maybe they should refuse to comply until they clarify the ruling.
Just lose them. That seems to work well.
would be really useful if this could then be used against democrats but there are two systems of law in this country now
one for democrats and one for all the peasants
And all his personal and financial information will then be leaked to the NYT.