Obama only warned Trump about 2 people: Kim Jong Un and Michael Flynn.
2 months later, he was in the oval office plotting with Biden and others to use the Logan Act to get him despite Comey saying his conversations "appear legit."
Also:
8/1-8/10/16- Steele adds reports for Manafort, Popadoplous, Page
8/8/16- (Page) “[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!”
(Strzok)“No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it,”
8/10/16- FBI opens cases on Manafort, Popadopolous, Page
8/10/16- Steele submits only report for Dossier with Flynn in it.
8/15/16- (Strzok)I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office that there’s no way he gets elected—but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40 …
8/16/16- FBI opens case on Flynn
8/17/16- Joe Pientka sits in on Trump ODNI briefing because Flynn present (Pientka was with Strzok in Flynn's infamous "interview)
Yes. This is why the craziness. Sundance over at the Conservative Treehouse has done a great job laying this out the whole way through since the beginning.
I want to believe that, but all it takes is a majority of the judges on an ultra-liberal circuit to vote in favor of rehearing it because they claim it's really important. Then again, Sullivan DID have to do this himself. I was convinced he'd get that race-baiting idiot on the panel to call for a vote without him having to do this, but maybe this was necessary to force the issue / prevent them from ignoring it.
Exactly. The prosecution dropped the case, Obama put a message out about it, and Sullivan immediately started disgracing himself like a retarded chode.
How passionate are you? What are we going to do when/if Trump isn't re-elected? And then police are substantially "defunded", or made ineffective? What if the Marxists (like AOC, Omar and Talib) actually make headway in "breaking down the capitalist systems that are unfairly rewarding" the people that work?
In case you haven’t notice, Trump doesn’t want our help.
He wants to save us. But he doesn’t want us to have a hand in our own salvation. He gives us NO avenue to support him.
The one place where we can collectively contribute the most to—the online arena—he has done NOTHING tangible to stop the censorship. Parler is controlled opposition. Parler is astroturfing here and on Twitter.
They want us on it because it is a quarantined platform and you cannot view content without an account. Come October, Parler will sink their own boat and there will be NO PLATFORM for us. We still have T_D.win but this is only our clubhouse and not a platform in the marketplace of ideas.
The only thing Trump wants from us is UNWAVERING support. But beyond that, nothing else.
Imagine if Trump commanded us to recall Gavin Newsome. Imagine if he commanded us to investigate Lindsey Graham as private citizens. Trump names the target, we do the digging.
The bricks shat would legendary.
But Trump wants to keep game to himself and sideline us. So it’s on Trump if he fumbles.
I’m tired if being frustrated over this “no-fighting-back” policy that we have to follow.
So I won’t waver with my support and I will vote for him in November. Beyond that, he doesn’t want anything else feom me.
^^^ This. It's a NARRATIVE war, fought in the media, by the same asshats that have worked overtime, successfully, to control the entire discussion by deplatforming opposing voices and then substituting in their place "conservatives" like French, Rubin, et. al.
And it's disgusting, because LEGALLY, this case is over. With the prosecution's withdrawal from this case, it's over. Even if Biden wins, and they reinstitute everything they have against Flynn, charge him with new perjury charges, and Sullivan sentences him to 30 years in prison, Flynn would appeal and would win, because the entire case is and always has been a facade necessary to maintain the false narrative against Trump.
In other words, Team Obama isn't trying to WIN the Flynn case. They're working as hard as they can to prevent Flynn (and through him, Trump) from taking a victory lap around proving the depravity of the corruption within the judicial and law enforcement branches of the Fed. Gov.
I'm not breaking any new ground here, lads. If it wasn't already abundantly clear, the United States (as we know it), is dead. The Left "went local" at the State level, and played the long game in populating the Fed. bureaucracy with activists. Now, here we are.
Try applying for a permit to paint "All Lives Matter" mural in any city. In the off chance that permit was approved, you wouldn't be able to carry it out because you'd be attacked on the street by activists while the local police calmly watched on. If they did arrest your attackers, they wouldn't be charged. Do the same thing to the other side? Hate crime, years in prison. And this is just example of what happens to we pleebs. If you're a player, like Flynn....
He may be an operative, or he may just be blackmailed/in their pocket. Too often people still underestimate what 30 pieces of silver can buy. It's way easier to pay off fools than to train operatives. Likewise way, WAY easier to get to a judge, a singular human, than to pass legislation. Thus why the swamp gop senate keeps trying to snake charm us with "muh conservative judges." How many of those judges will wilt when a deep state-controlled govt of the future demands a certain result?
If Democrats succeed in stealing the election through fraud, Trump should put out a massive declassified info dump into the public domain and let us all decide what to do.
That is the point...cant in an 'ongoing trial' or whatever the hell this is. At this point, Trump needs to pardon so the entire thing can be squashed. This would free Flynn to tell this story to the public, which desperately needs to hear it prior to November.
Everyone knows theirs nothing in the Taxes...Mueller/FBI would of jumped on those in a second if they found ANYTHING.... people are so stupid, and evil as you say.
Is that what she said... I'm making a meme... I know people who scam on their taxes every year, better get their ducks in a row.... the IRS will be coming after them next...
Yep. I've been telling everyone. The mask shit, shutdowns, distancing, media lies, judicial rulings . . . it's all about Trump. Everyone knows something is wrong, but they still refuse to believe.
The only way they could break the wheel is by shutting it down. Economically, they couldn't stop us. I would have banked this season a ton of money. The little guy would have gotten rich, they would have praised Trump. This couldn't happen. They couldn't see the truth, so they broke the fucking wheel.
Once Flynn case is officially dismissed we can start making deep state arrest, that's why they are doing everything in their power to stall past the election.
A pardon would end it. A well done strategic play to let the prosecution collapse on itself. A pardon would've been premature if done before that. I think now is a good time...what do I know...I am sure there is crazy strategy going on behind the scenes. What an f'd up situation.
Yes, it would appear so. Sessions genuinely fooled Trump and many others during the 2016 election whereas by the time he appointed Barr, I think he realized that McConnell would never confirm a real AG and that his options were limited.
Sessions arrested over 3,000 pedophiles and saved over 21,000 victims while AG. If your calling him a swamp rat because he dint take the Russia collusion bait than sorry Dominick... YOUR A PIECE OF SHIT!
Of course he needs to removed from the bench, but I think (not a lawyer) that will take a more specific review of Sullivan’s actions Specifically instead of an appeals board reviewing General Flynn’s case.
Um, our Supreme Court just split Oklahoma apart and gave half of it to the Muscogee Creek Tribe. This was done by Souter, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, and GORSUCH. So, saying we need reform is an understatement. The logical reasoning utilized to render the decision is bat shit crazy. Hell, even that mollusk John Roberts dissented in this case.
McGirt v. Oklahoma (2020). The opinion was released today that says the 1866 treaty between the Creek Indians and the U.S. in the former Oklahoma Indian Territory and the creation of the State of Oklahoma was imperfect from a Congressional standpoint. Thus, the plaintiff (McGirt), is not subject to the criminal prosecution under State of Oklahoma law because the lines of Oklahoma were imperfectly established when Oklahoma achieved statehood. Because of this imperfection, Oklahoma does not have jurisdiction on any part of tribal land involved in the 1866 treaty. McGirt is not subject to Oklahoma law despite raping children, he should, in fact, according to Gorsuch’s reasoning, be tried by the tribal courts of the Muscogee Creek. What I just said doesn’t even make sense to me, but that’s how I understand his reasoning.
Now, I’m seeing Native American rights advocates are about to start using this case as grounds to challenge state authority across America and attempt to take land back from the states where reservations were established.
Indian cases on Indian land falls under federal jurisdiction (federal courts) rather than state jurisdictions (state courts).
The ruling finds that the paedophile needs to be remanded to the federal court because he is an indian committing statutory rape while on indian land.
The Supreme Court didn't just literally take half of Oklahoma outside of the Union.
That said, I agree with you on the Indian Rights activists. Give these lunatics an inch and they'll take a mile. We passed gay marriage in 2015. In under 5 years, we're courting extreme degeneracy
I’d argue I’m not reading jurisdiction broadly at all. Gorsuch took any legal standing for crimes committed in lands covered with the Treaty with the Creeks-1866 away from Oklahoma, even if they are Creek Indians. The AG of Oklahoma does not have legal standing to prosecute crimes on “tribal lands”, well Tulsa, Oklahoma ain’t exactly “tribal land” anymore and that’s where the crime took place. I’d say Gorsuch’s broad definition of treaty law pretty well effectively takes away half of Oklahoma from Oklahoma’s sovereign rule as an independent state and their ability to carry out justice as it stands for the people of Oklahoma. Samuel Alito said himself that Oklahomans are going to wake up and find out they are now under tribal and federal law instead of state law. That’s a pretty big ratcheting of authority away from the State of Oklahoma.
Not exactly, the OK AG can still bring claims against solely non-US citizens, but Gorsuch essentially gave a close reading of the Indian treaties which are still in effect, and found that the temporal area they encompassed included half of Oklahoma.
That half of Oklahoma now has to apply a bit more federal common law and probably the court of first review would be federal
District Court but that's already currently in place anyway under the general application of federal subject matter jurisdiction.
Thus the operative question would be whether a federal subject matter jurisdiction applies here, and in this case it could arise on questions of whether the defendant is covered under the Indian treaties and whether the underlying case arose on land covered by the Indian treaties.
I hate it, but Gorsuch is right.
If we want to pull land away from the Indians, we need do it openly and clearly otherwise we leave legal timebombs like this which now leaves the entire state of Oklahoma needs to ask whether federalism still exists there.
First, the federal government has the power to prosecute the crimes. This just places that power with the feds instead of the states. The same laws apply regardless—meaning that the criminal law and punishments conform to the same law—but the federal government brings the prosecution in federal court. I suppose the Indians can prosecute too, but the federal system definitely can.
Second, Congress can fix all this anytime it wants. But of course that will never happen because of Democrats and worthless, weak and lazy Republicans.
Third, it creates a procedural clusterfuck for sure, unless the tribe does something about it. It could, for example, just agree that all criminal prosecutions by Oklahoma are adopted. The tribal law doesn’t have the ex post facto clause to deal with, so they could do what they want. And the tribe doesn’t like McGirt, they only appealed the question of the status of the treaty.
Fourth, it certainly creates a clusterfuck for Oklahoma but also the tribe outside the criminal law. For example, what about all public services provided by Oklahoma? Would the tribe like those to vanish? Do they want to be charged for them? And what exactly happens to private property? This just gives the tribe negotiating leverage to get a big payoff. Think, reparations for Indians.
PS, I think it is bullshit. But that is how this shakes out.
It is a lot more nuanced than that, and its affects could easily extend to a a plethora of other factors, essentially anything that is not covered by federal government, which is most laws that effect people on a day-to-day basis.
Sales tax, state/property taxes, pretty much every traffic/driving related laws, and local ordinance to name a few.
I could not pay my state taxes this year. Who is going to say anything about it? The "state", which has no jurisdiction? Do I want to drive 85 MPH in a zone that the "state" said I am only allowed to drive 35 MPH in? The federal government doesn't set the speed limits, their is no governmental authority to enforce that I must abide that law, and I could site this case in court if anyone said otherwise.
Am I in jail for being found guilty for the case "Oklahoma v. John Doe"? That authority does not exist where I am or where the crime was committed. The case would need to be re-tried under either tribal law or "The United States v. John Doe", but is this not double-jeopardy?
I don't have the definitive answer for any of these scenarios, but all the implications for them now exist, and there is grounds for each of these to be challenged in court. I am not claiming these will all be the case, but Pandora's Box may have just been opened. A decade ago I might have said "that would never happen", but I am well beyond thinking anything is impossible at this point.
The Judge WANTS President Trump to pardon Flynn, so that the case will be resolved by President Trump's hands (during election season) ....not the Judge who hates Flynn's guts.
There is absolutely a chance The Dem judge dissented from the panels 2-1 ruling granting mandamus and the majority of the DC Circuit are dem appointees. If the DC circuit votes to hear this en banc it will most likely be reversed, not because the previous ruling was incorrect, but because democrat appointed judges just view the law as pretext they have to pay lip service to while implementing their political objectives by judicial fiat.
I get all that and I misspoke when I said definitively that it "won't" happen. More accurately what I was saying is that I don't see how it matters here. Let's say it gets reversed in federal appeals court. They're appealing the lower court ruling, not the actions of the DOJ. Then what happens?
We're still back in Sullivan's court room with non-existant/questionable charges and no prosecutor. We'd have an open case with no charges. Sullivan doesn't decide what the charges are beyond contempt of court. Sullivan can pound the gavel all he wants in that scenario, it doesn't really matter is my point. He can't sentence without a conviction and he has no conviction without cooperation from the federal prosecutors, no? He doesn't even have the underlying charges anymore.
In my mind, the goal is to run this out until after the election and hope Biden wins. Then Trump's hand is forced to pardon, otherwise Biden's DoJ would just resume the malicious prosecution.
Absolutely my thinking on this as well. This particular move is necessary for him because otherwise he is refusing to execute a higher court order which is asking for actual trouble.
But it's not going to mean anything and even then I don't think the ruling will be overturned. I can't imagine on what grounds an appeals court would overrule a dismissal. That's some reconstruction era shit right there or something.
The issue here isn't the dismissal, it is the mandamus ruling. The panel struck Sullivan's appointment of Gleason as amicus curiae and ordered Sullivan to grant the motion to dismiss. Sullivan isn't trying to overturn a dismissal, he is fighting the order to grant a motion to dismiss and the nullifcation of his appointment of Gleason. Obviously the right call was made, but there are tons of justification the DC Circuit can make to get the result they want, if they chose to do so.
Oh ok. Thanks for the clarification. I thought the ability to overturn the dismissal was part of that original lower court ruling. I stand corrected.
Even still, how does the amicus really have any power here beyond trying to reframe an "L" for their side in the political sense. He or Sullivan can't make up new charges beyond contempt. I would think a dismissal is a dismissal it is just waiting for a final signature and seal to be processed. So basically like you said (and I agree), just a stalling tactic for election optics.
Allow me to rephrase that. Technically it could happen, but it wouldn't mean anything or accomplish anything beyond a stalling tactic. What I'm really saying is that I can't imagine a scenario where this makes any difference whatsoever beyond dragging this out for a few more months.
I've said that since the first stalling tactic he's tried. If the DOJ declines to further prosecute the case and dismisses charges (with prejudice I believe is the term), Sullivan can't sentence him just because he still wants to. I don't know of any precedence for this kind of ruling. There's such a thing as jury nullification but I've never heard of prosecutorial re-assertion by a judge or actually in this case by an amicus attorney. I don't think that's a thing.
They want a review of this case to drag it out and perhaps find some kernel of dirt on somebody that they can turn into a media blitz. That's all this is. Flynn's not back in hot water nor is he going to jail.
he's not too bright. he basically ceded the authority of his own court with the amicus appointment after the fact. sullivan is basically rubber stamping this and the other retired judge is doing the leg work for these bizarre hail marys.
If this appeals court hail mary fails he will have to execute the lower court order or risk all kinds of official trouble. Before he's just being an ignorant dickweed but if he takes the next step into defying court decrees than he opens himself up to the impeachment or removal process, possibly even federal charges against him.
Sure it is. It's fucking reality. These people control us by force that we gave them permission to use. Unfortunately, when we take away that permission they still have the force. So how the fuck do we reign them in? With force. I hope it doesn't come to that but you're a fool if you think it might not.
This is the tactic. They don’t stop until you stop them and once you do stop them they scream “tyranny”. The only way that we put an end to all this is when the public has finally had enough and ignores their screaming.
He received his marching orders from the Obama Crew and there’s no way he’s gonna dismiss Flynn. He’s a product of the corrupt Obama administration and Deep State,
The judge started to look for outside arguments why he should continue the case -- The Supreme Court had just ruled UNANIMOUSLY he is not allowed to do so.
This should be thrown out immediately and he should be removed from the bench.
Didn't he pocket a lot of funds that were going to Howard University?
Oh, it was the supreme court that unanimously ruled a month a ago that no judge can try to prosecute cases with the Amicus thing that this judge exactly tried to do.
That's right, they won't stop, and I don't think voting will matter. After 4 years of this BS, they are NOT going to have a fair election, no fucking way. If it is (it won't) then they'll just find a fuck stick judge like this one to dispute it and rule in their favor. I hate to be so pessimistic, but that's how I see it. I will vote, don't get me wrong. I would crawl over hot melting glass covered in AIDS to vote for Trump, but it might all be for nothing.
Judges at the appellate level tend to be cautious. They won't take the most forceful action until they have to. They're wanting to let Sullivan explain himself so he has no way to back out.
Sadly, Flynn's life is on hold until someone takes an affirmative step. But here's the thing. The en banc review won't be granted.
I'm so tired of being outraged at what I see happening in our judicial system, as well as our government, I can't even express it. Bill Barr needs to speak out on this. Every Republican member of Congress should be speaking out on this. The Appellate Court needs to give Sullivan a complete verbal beatdown. I'd like to see POTUS tweet, "What does the deepstate have on Emmet Sullivan?"
The appellate court allowed this to happen when it didn't make their ruling effective immediately instead of the 21 day effective date.That let Sullivan run the clock for 3 more weeks and then ask for a full review at the last minute. This will be pushed past the election by using scheduling delays, oral arguments, filings, etc. Sidney Powell probably should have petitioned the court right after the ruling to ask them to make it effective immediately. She has been right on the money through all this so we'll see if this strategy pays off.
The left wants to disarm us and disband the cops, because to them the law isnt meant to protect us, but it should be a means to pursue people who arent leftists.
If cops were hunting down conservatives and Trump supporters instead of gang members and looters, they'd increase their budget instead of disbanding them.
Exactly right, this is the only play they have. Hoping for pardon to gaslight but also keeps Flynn muzzled about high crimes and prevents him from being appointed to a position by Trump.
Can somebody explain to me why a judge has a FUCKING LAWYER arguing one side of a case? Is this in any way legal? If not, I'm ready to assemble the militia and report for duty.
From @ shipwreckedcrew on Twitter "the Appeals Court fails to act by the end of the 21 day period then the panel decision is effective. The decision is not stayed only by the filing of a petition. Only the Appeals Ct can stay the mandate...
"In a way, Sullivan taking this step when no judge of the Circuit has called for a vote in over two weeks is a bit of a "stick in the eye" to the Appeals Court. Their silence was letting him know they weren't bothered by Rao's outcome. So he tries to force their hand...
"I think the fact that Sullivan was forced to ask himself -- any judge of the court could have called for a vote without Sullivan's petition -- is an indication that there are not 6 votes to rehear the case."
Sullivan is doing his part nicely to completely undermine the independence of the Judiciary. There's no law degree required to see how absurd this is. The judge has inserted himself into the shoes of the executive branch by refusing to grant the motion to dismiss. Further, Sullivan is ignoring precedent which demands that he dismiss the case unless the prosecution is repeatedly dismissing and refiling charges to harass someone.
As an aside, I saw a strange theory that Sullivan's son had kidnapped and raped a girl, nearly killing her. Story goes that the son got daddy involved, the girl survived, and daddy made it go away. May be worth looking into as it's the only theory I've seen that explains Sullivan's behavior. However, it seems to only be talked about at the fringes so who knows if it has any legs.
This judge has a vendetta against Flynn. He is a total disgrace to our justice system and should resign immediately
I don't think it's Sullivan's vendetta that's playing out. It's Barack Obama's.
This.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/obama-warned-trump-against-hiring-flynn-before-inauguration
Obama only warned Trump about 2 people: Kim Jong Un and Michael Flynn.
2 months later, he was in the oval office plotting with Biden and others to use the Logan Act to get him despite Comey saying his conversations "appear legit."
Also:
8/1-8/10/16- Steele adds reports for Manafort, Popadoplous, Page
8/8/16- (Page) “[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!”
8/10/16- FBI opens cases on Manafort, Popadopolous, Page
8/10/16- Steele submits only report for Dossier with Flynn in it.
8/15/16- (Strzok)I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office that there’s no way he gets elected—but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40 …
8/16/16- FBI opens case on Flynn
8/17/16- Joe Pientka sits in on Trump ODNI briefing because Flynn present (Pientka was with Strzok in Flynn's infamous "interview)
Flynn's conviction is the hinge pin in the trap door Obama is standing on, in regards to EVERYTHING.
Yes. This is why the craziness. Sundance over at the Conservative Treehouse has done a great job laying this out the whole way through since the beginning.
He is amazing.
Exactly, this is all about the Iran payoff kickback. Seriously fuck these corrupt fucks
With full support from RINOs, NeverTrumpers and establishment Republicans.
As is tradition.
"As is tradition"
Obligatory South Park clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2POYSKiVwM4
:-D :-D :-D
I don't think the en banc review is going to be granted. It takes a bit to achieve
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frap/rule_35
Whatever, you've got admire the sheer persistence of the Democrats. RINOs would have folded eons ago.
Hate is quite a motivator
Yeah, hate plus survival instinct.
And also, suicide.
Rinos have no backbone
RINOS never even start to fight !!!
buut muuhh lindsey graham.....I am going to issue subpoenas.... we are going to get to the bottom of this ..... You can count on that !!!
What a cuck !!! Right beside Paul Ryan !!!
I want to believe that, but all it takes is a majority of the judges on an ultra-liberal circuit to vote in favor of rehearing it because they claim it's really important. Then again, Sullivan DID have to do this himself. I was convinced he'd get that race-baiting idiot on the panel to call for a vote without him having to do this, but maybe this was necessary to force the issue / prevent them from ignoring it.
Exactly. The prosecution dropped the case, Obama put a message out about it, and Sullivan immediately started disgracing himself like a retarded chode.
Nothing adds up with Flynn--at this stage I'm thinking he's either Q, or he's as dumb as a rock. Leaning toward the 2nd option.
Wut
Yep. Dude is an operative. This is a war. I'm not being hyperbolic.
They hate you too.
They don't hate us. To them we're just sub-species silly WHITE monkeys.
How passionate are you? What are we going to do when/if Trump isn't re-elected? And then police are substantially "defunded", or made ineffective? What if the Marxists (like AOC, Omar and Talib) actually make headway in "breaking down the capitalist systems that are unfairly rewarding" the people that work?
In case you haven’t notice, Trump doesn’t want our help.
He wants to save us. But he doesn’t want us to have a hand in our own salvation. He gives us NO avenue to support him.
The one place where we can collectively contribute the most to—the online arena—he has done NOTHING tangible to stop the censorship. Parler is controlled opposition. Parler is astroturfing here and on Twitter.
They want us on it because it is a quarantined platform and you cannot view content without an account. Come October, Parler will sink their own boat and there will be NO PLATFORM for us. We still have T_D.win but this is only our clubhouse and not a platform in the marketplace of ideas.
The only thing Trump wants from us is UNWAVERING support. But beyond that, nothing else.
Imagine if Trump commanded us to recall Gavin Newsome. Imagine if he commanded us to investigate Lindsey Graham as private citizens. Trump names the target, we do the digging.
The bricks shat would legendary.
But Trump wants to keep game to himself and sideline us. So it’s on Trump if he fumbles.
I’m tired if being frustrated over this “no-fighting-back” policy that we have to follow.
So I won’t waver with my support and I will vote for him in November. Beyond that, he doesn’t want anything else feom me.
Jesus. I wish one of my ex-wives had been like that.
^^^ This. It's a NARRATIVE war, fought in the media, by the same asshats that have worked overtime, successfully, to control the entire discussion by deplatforming opposing voices and then substituting in their place "conservatives" like French, Rubin, et. al.
And it's disgusting, because LEGALLY, this case is over. With the prosecution's withdrawal from this case, it's over. Even if Biden wins, and they reinstitute everything they have against Flynn, charge him with new perjury charges, and Sullivan sentences him to 30 years in prison, Flynn would appeal and would win, because the entire case is and always has been a facade necessary to maintain the false narrative against Trump.
In other words, Team Obama isn't trying to WIN the Flynn case. They're working as hard as they can to prevent Flynn (and through him, Trump) from taking a victory lap around proving the depravity of the corruption within the judicial and law enforcement branches of the Fed. Gov.
I'm not breaking any new ground here, lads. If it wasn't already abundantly clear, the United States (as we know it), is dead. The Left "went local" at the State level, and played the long game in populating the Fed. bureaucracy with activists. Now, here we are.
Try applying for a permit to paint "All Lives Matter" mural in any city. In the off chance that permit was approved, you wouldn't be able to carry it out because you'd be attacked on the street by activists while the local police calmly watched on. If they did arrest your attackers, they wouldn't be charged. Do the same thing to the other side? Hate crime, years in prison. And this is just example of what happens to we pleebs. If you're a player, like Flynn....
He may be an operative, or he may just be blackmailed/in their pocket. Too often people still underestimate what 30 pieces of silver can buy. It's way easier to pay off fools than to train operatives. Likewise way, WAY easier to get to a judge, a singular human, than to pass legislation. Thus why the swamp gop senate keeps trying to snake charm us with "muh conservative judges." How many of those judges will wilt when a deep state-controlled govt of the future demands a certain result?
More basic. Flynn knows where the bodies are buried in the IC, and wanted to fully audit and reform it. He must be suppressed for as long as possible.
And by long as possible they mean until after Trump is ousted in November (they hope). Then they are back in control.. .and Flynn goes to jail.
If Democrats succeed in stealing the election through fraud, Trump should put out a massive declassified info dump into the public domain and let us all decide what to do.
Sure he'll do that. But if Trump loses there are much bigger problems than what happens to Flynn.
Then he should just go public with his information.
That is the point...cant in an 'ongoing trial' or whatever the hell this is. At this point, Trump needs to pardon so the entire thing can be squashed. This would free Flynn to tell this story to the public, which desperately needs to hear it prior to November.
A pardon implies guilt. Nobody will listen if that happens.
People still think Trump is guilty on the RUSSIA bullshit, they wont listen no matter what.
You are. Pardon anyone at any time. No crime is even necessary
Nixon was pardoned without even a charge.
Not only wrong but 100000% dead wrong. Timing is absolutely everything. The staggering amount of shills here is getting thick.
Not shills but black pilled.
Timing? After being pushed around for over 3 years? People still talk about timing?
Did you hear Pelosi today say they need Trump's tax returns to find the Russian money? These people are not only insane they are fucking evil.
Everyone knows theirs nothing in the Taxes...Mueller/FBI would of jumped on those in a second if they found ANYTHING.... people are so stupid, and evil as you say.
There's gonna be "referrals"
Is that what she said... I'm making a meme... I know people who scam on their taxes every year, better get their ducks in a row.... the IRS will be coming after them next...
Yep. I've been telling everyone. The mask shit, shutdowns, distancing, media lies, judicial rulings . . . it's all about Trump. Everyone knows something is wrong, but they still refuse to believe.
The only way they could break the wheel is by shutting it down. Economically, they couldn't stop us. I would have banked this season a ton of money. The little guy would have gotten rich, they would have praised Trump. This couldn't happen. They couldn't see the truth, so they broke the fucking wheel.
Once Flynn case is officially dismissed we can start making deep state arrest, that's why they are doing everything in their power to stall past the election.
A pardon would end it. A well done strategic play to let the prosecution collapse on itself. A pardon would've been premature if done before that. I think now is a good time...what do I know...I am sure there is crazy strategy going on behind the scenes. What an f'd up situation.
These people will tell themselves anything to rationalize Barr's corruption and/or incompetence.
Your the tool coming to a Pro trump website insinuating hes stupid and doesent know the people he hires.
Trump only picks swamp AG's? Got it. 🤡
those are the only ones to get past the house and senate approval
when flynn is freed then barr can move aside and SIDNEY POWELL can be interim
the interims get it all done
andboy does knowledge sit in this ones head
The GOP/uniparty senate only approves of swamp AGs, correct.
Yes, it would appear so. Sessions genuinely fooled Trump and many others during the 2016 election whereas by the time he appointed Barr, I think he realized that McConnell would never confirm a real AG and that his options were limited.
Sessions arrested over 3,000 pedophiles and saved over 21,000 victims while AG. If your calling him a swamp rat because he dint take the Russia collusion bait than sorry Dominick... YOUR A PIECE OF SHIT!
They're completely unrelated cases. That makes no sense.
The left never leave a position of influence owing to their disgrace. Otherwise, there would be nothing but vacancies on the left
What about that crazy chick that was caught brushing her naked staffers hair?
I think she resigned.
The Ralph “coonman” Northam response.
Franken stepped down after that grabbing boobies picture. But he used fraud to get in anyway.
This too
The DoJ just turned over more exculpatory evidence to Sydney Powell, they knew this was coming.
Oh, goody do tell?
“Please, sir, might I have some more?”
They should deny Sullivan’s motion and recommend he see a psychiatrist
They should deny his motion and remove him from the case entirely
They should make Sullivan the Sully retire or be removed him from his (Obama) 'duties' of corrupt malfeasance...
From the bench you mean.
Of course he needs to removed from the bench, but I think (not a lawyer) that will take a more specific review of Sullivan’s actions Specifically instead of an appeals board reviewing General Flynn’s case.
Lolol
This dude doesn't abide.
I see what you did there
I don't
Ohhhh heheh thanks pede!
You will
You are correct, I'm dude enlightened now :)
Looks like I’m too late to this party
I said so too; he’ll all for an en banc... faggot.
The tree of liberty is Thirsty
Agreed, but who wants to be first, y'know?
I’m about to the point that I am
It's beyond thirsty, It's completely parched and the leaves are withering. Its becoming more and more clear we aren't getting out of this peacefully.
I know. I’m not happy about it but I’m ready.
Um, our Supreme Court just split Oklahoma apart and gave half of it to the Muscogee Creek Tribe. This was done by Souter, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, and GORSUCH. So, saying we need reform is an understatement. The logical reasoning utilized to render the decision is bat shit crazy. Hell, even that mollusk John Roberts dissented in this case.
Wait, what??
McGirt v. Oklahoma (2020). The opinion was released today that says the 1866 treaty between the Creek Indians and the U.S. in the former Oklahoma Indian Territory and the creation of the State of Oklahoma was imperfect from a Congressional standpoint. Thus, the plaintiff (McGirt), is not subject to the criminal prosecution under State of Oklahoma law because the lines of Oklahoma were imperfectly established when Oklahoma achieved statehood. Because of this imperfection, Oklahoma does not have jurisdiction on any part of tribal land involved in the 1866 treaty. McGirt is not subject to Oklahoma law despite raping children, he should, in fact, according to Gorsuch’s reasoning, be tried by the tribal courts of the Muscogee Creek. What I just said doesn’t even make sense to me, but that’s how I understand his reasoning.
You can read the decision yourself: https://www.oyez.org/cases/2019/18-9526#!
Now, I’m seeing Native American rights advocates are about to start using this case as grounds to challenge state authority across America and attempt to take land back from the states where reservations were established.
You're reading jurisdiction too broadly.
Indian cases on Indian land falls under federal jurisdiction (federal courts) rather than state jurisdictions (state courts).
The ruling finds that the paedophile needs to be remanded to the federal court because he is an indian committing statutory rape while on indian land.
The Supreme Court didn't just literally take half of Oklahoma outside of the Union.
That said, I agree with you on the Indian Rights activists. Give these lunatics an inch and they'll take a mile. We passed gay marriage in 2015. In under 5 years, we're courting extreme degeneracy
I’d argue I’m not reading jurisdiction broadly at all. Gorsuch took any legal standing for crimes committed in lands covered with the Treaty with the Creeks-1866 away from Oklahoma, even if they are Creek Indians. The AG of Oklahoma does not have legal standing to prosecute crimes on “tribal lands”, well Tulsa, Oklahoma ain’t exactly “tribal land” anymore and that’s where the crime took place. I’d say Gorsuch’s broad definition of treaty law pretty well effectively takes away half of Oklahoma from Oklahoma’s sovereign rule as an independent state and their ability to carry out justice as it stands for the people of Oklahoma. Samuel Alito said himself that Oklahomans are going to wake up and find out they are now under tribal and federal law instead of state law. That’s a pretty big ratcheting of authority away from the State of Oklahoma.
Not exactly, the OK AG can still bring claims against solely non-US citizens, but Gorsuch essentially gave a close reading of the Indian treaties which are still in effect, and found that the temporal area they encompassed included half of Oklahoma.
That half of Oklahoma now has to apply a bit more federal common law and probably the court of first review would be federal District Court but that's already currently in place anyway under the general application of federal subject matter jurisdiction.
Thus the operative question would be whether a federal subject matter jurisdiction applies here, and in this case it could arise on questions of whether the defendant is covered under the Indian treaties and whether the underlying case arose on land covered by the Indian treaties.
I hate it, but Gorsuch is right.
If we want to pull land away from the Indians, we need do it openly and clearly otherwise we leave legal timebombs like this which now leaves the entire state of Oklahoma needs to ask whether federalism still exists there.
Yep. We need to hit emotion driven people screaming "THEY JUST GAVE AWAY HALF OF A STATE" hard.
A few details worth clarifying.
First, the federal government has the power to prosecute the crimes. This just places that power with the feds instead of the states. The same laws apply regardless—meaning that the criminal law and punishments conform to the same law—but the federal government brings the prosecution in federal court. I suppose the Indians can prosecute too, but the federal system definitely can.
Second, Congress can fix all this anytime it wants. But of course that will never happen because of Democrats and worthless, weak and lazy Republicans.
Third, it creates a procedural clusterfuck for sure, unless the tribe does something about it. It could, for example, just agree that all criminal prosecutions by Oklahoma are adopted. The tribal law doesn’t have the ex post facto clause to deal with, so they could do what they want. And the tribe doesn’t like McGirt, they only appealed the question of the status of the treaty.
Fourth, it certainly creates a clusterfuck for Oklahoma but also the tribe outside the criminal law. For example, what about all public services provided by Oklahoma? Would the tribe like those to vanish? Do they want to be charged for them? And what exactly happens to private property? This just gives the tribe negotiating leverage to get a big payoff. Think, reparations for Indians.
PS, I think it is bullshit. But that is how this shakes out.
It is a lot more nuanced than that, and its affects could easily extend to a a plethora of other factors, essentially anything that is not covered by federal government, which is most laws that effect people on a day-to-day basis.
Sales tax, state/property taxes, pretty much every traffic/driving related laws, and local ordinance to name a few.
I could not pay my state taxes this year. Who is going to say anything about it? The "state", which has no jurisdiction? Do I want to drive 85 MPH in a zone that the "state" said I am only allowed to drive 35 MPH in? The federal government doesn't set the speed limits, their is no governmental authority to enforce that I must abide that law, and I could site this case in court if anyone said otherwise.
Am I in jail for being found guilty for the case "Oklahoma v. John Doe"? That authority does not exist where I am or where the crime was committed. The case would need to be re-tried under either tribal law or "The United States v. John Doe", but is this not double-jeopardy?
I don't have the definitive answer for any of these scenarios, but all the implications for them now exist, and there is grounds for each of these to be challenged in court. I am not claiming these will all be the case, but Pandora's Box may have just been opened. A decade ago I might have said "that would never happen", but I am well beyond thinking anything is impossible at this point.
al this to protect their beloved pedo philia these animals make me sick
yes i want manhattan returned OUT of the hands of de blah zero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y5d-mHEdL0&t
No joke
yes joke and the people saying it too
they didn't
We've been over this. That is a flat out lie.
Can't have Roberts take heat in every case. Seems him and Gorsuch are taking turns on blackmail duty.
Yes we do. Who allows lawyers to practice? Judicial. Who is best able to blow the whistle on bad judges and prosecutors? Judicial.
The Judge WANTS President Trump to pardon Flynn, so that the case will be resolved by President Trump's hands (during election season) ....not the Judge who hates Flynn's guts.
Yep. He's just dragging his ass. No chance in hell this gets reversed in any substantive way.
There is absolutely a chance The Dem judge dissented from the panels 2-1 ruling granting mandamus and the majority of the DC Circuit are dem appointees. If the DC circuit votes to hear this en banc it will most likely be reversed, not because the previous ruling was incorrect, but because democrat appointed judges just view the law as pretext they have to pay lip service to while implementing their political objectives by judicial fiat.
I sincerely hate activist judges.
That's like saying you hate pedophile kindergarten teachers. What other emotion is there?
I get all that and I misspoke when I said definitively that it "won't" happen. More accurately what I was saying is that I don't see how it matters here. Let's say it gets reversed in federal appeals court. They're appealing the lower court ruling, not the actions of the DOJ. Then what happens?
We're still back in Sullivan's court room with non-existant/questionable charges and no prosecutor. We'd have an open case with no charges. Sullivan doesn't decide what the charges are beyond contempt of court. Sullivan can pound the gavel all he wants in that scenario, it doesn't really matter is my point. He can't sentence without a conviction and he has no conviction without cooperation from the federal prosecutors, no? He doesn't even have the underlying charges anymore.
In my mind, the goal is to run this out until after the election and hope Biden wins. Then Trump's hand is forced to pardon, otherwise Biden's DoJ would just resume the malicious prosecution.
Absolutely my thinking on this as well. This particular move is necessary for him because otherwise he is refusing to execute a higher court order which is asking for actual trouble.
But it's not going to mean anything and even then I don't think the ruling will be overturned. I can't imagine on what grounds an appeals court would overrule a dismissal. That's some reconstruction era shit right there or something.
The issue here isn't the dismissal, it is the mandamus ruling. The panel struck Sullivan's appointment of Gleason as amicus curiae and ordered Sullivan to grant the motion to dismiss. Sullivan isn't trying to overturn a dismissal, he is fighting the order to grant a motion to dismiss and the nullifcation of his appointment of Gleason. Obviously the right call was made, but there are tons of justification the DC Circuit can make to get the result they want, if they chose to do so.
Oh ok. Thanks for the clarification. I thought the ability to overturn the dismissal was part of that original lower court ruling. I stand corrected.
Even still, how does the amicus really have any power here beyond trying to reframe an "L" for their side in the political sense. He or Sullivan can't make up new charges beyond contempt. I would think a dismissal is a dismissal it is just waiting for a final signature and seal to be processed. So basically like you said (and I agree), just a stalling tactic for election optics.
No chance in hell this gets reversed? You might want to start paying more attention, sir.
Allow me to rephrase that. Technically it could happen, but it wouldn't mean anything or accomplish anything beyond a stalling tactic. What I'm really saying is that I can't imagine a scenario where this makes any difference whatsoever beyond dragging this out for a few more months.
I've said that since the first stalling tactic he's tried. If the DOJ declines to further prosecute the case and dismisses charges (with prejudice I believe is the term), Sullivan can't sentence him just because he still wants to. I don't know of any precedence for this kind of ruling. There's such a thing as jury nullification but I've never heard of prosecutorial re-assertion by a judge or actually in this case by an amicus attorney. I don't think that's a thing.
They want a review of this case to drag it out and perhaps find some kernel of dirt on somebody that they can turn into a media blitz. That's all this is. Flynn's not back in hot water nor is he going to jail.
Super upvote on this one. Same with Stone, trying to force the President's hand.
Can't Trump pardon them after the election? Even if he should lose he'd still be in office for a couple of months as I understand it.
Yup. Even if he loses, which he will not.
The hell is this guys deal?
Also doesn't want to be suicided
Guess he'd rather be 1776'ed.
Terminal butthurt secondary to Stage 4 TDS
Just an asset doing what he's told.
Why does the judge need a lawyer? So he’s the prosecution now?
he's not too bright. he basically ceded the authority of his own court with the amicus appointment after the fact. sullivan is basically rubber stamping this and the other retired judge is doing the leg work for these bizarre hail marys.
What if his life or his family's has been threatened if he complies with the order and he's begging someone to take it out of his hands?
You judge right, and you take it like a man.
That's digging pretty deep in the "What if" Barrel
Well could be.
If this appeals court hail mary fails he will have to execute the lower court order or risk all kinds of official trouble. Before he's just being an ignorant dickweed but if he takes the next step into defying court decrees than he opens himself up to the impeachment or removal process, possibly even federal charges against him.
God forbid I use bad language when a judge is actively over stepping his bounds against a former General of the United States. Stop being a pussy
I feel the individual was being sarcastic
That's why you end the post with "/sarc" No misinterpretation then. I can't read his mind and neither can you. You lost me when you said "I feel"
We don't live in China so deal with it.
Sure it is. It's fucking reality. These people control us by force that we gave them permission to use. Unfortunately, when we take away that permission they still have the force. So how the fuck do we reign them in? With force. I hope it doesn't come to that but you're a fool if you think it might not.
What you just said is the very definition of concern trolling.
Traitors should hang.
This is the tactic. They don’t stop until you stop them and once you do stop them they scream “tyranny”. The only way that we put an end to all this is when the public has finally had enough and ignores their screaming.
He received his marching orders from the Obama Crew and there’s no way he’s gonna dismiss Flynn. He’s a product of the corrupt Obama administration and Deep State,
This judge needs to be prosecuted for corruption.
Irrefutable proof Obama is a corrupt piece of shit
The judge started to look for outside arguments why he should continue the case -- The Supreme Court had just ruled UNANIMOUSLY he is not allowed to do so.
This should be thrown out immediately and he should be removed from the bench.
Didn't he pocket a lot of funds that were going to Howard University?
I don't think it was the Supreme Court.
The supreme court ruled unanimously on a similar issue two moths ago. RBG even called out the ninth circuit for doing it.
https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2020/05/07/ginsburg-rebukes-9th-circuit-panel-for-radical-transformation-of-appeal/
Oh, it was the supreme court that unanimously ruled a month a ago that no judge can try to prosecute cases with the Amicus thing that this judge exactly tried to do.
I'm positive this is beyond his scope as a judge.
Judge Sullivan seems to be taking this case quite personally. Almost like he’s more of a Orange man bad politician than a judge.
Are we ready to impeach this judge now? No? Oh, ok, I'll ask again later.
That's right, they won't stop, and I don't think voting will matter. After 4 years of this BS, they are NOT going to have a fair election, no fucking way. If it is (it won't) then they'll just find a fuck stick judge like this one to dispute it and rule in their favor. I hate to be so pessimistic, but that's how I see it. I will vote, don't get me wrong. I would crawl over hot melting glass covered in AIDS to vote for Trump, but it might all be for nothing.
Gotta win the house back and keep the senate first
He most certainly has to be in contempt of the higher court. He was given a direct order and is refusing to do it.
Predictable move.
Sullivan is trying to force POTUS to pardon Flynn.
Lawfare from the bench.
This hack needs to be disbarred.
Curiosity is a function of intellect. Leftists are only curious about 2 things: how to acquire power, and how to hurt their enemies.
There's a reason they got so butthurt about the NPC meme.
this judge can go fuck himself
Judges at the appellate level tend to be cautious. They won't take the most forceful action until they have to. They're wanting to let Sullivan explain himself so he has no way to back out.
Sadly, Flynn's life is on hold until someone takes an affirmative step. But here's the thing. The en banc review won't be granted.
The Flynn case has moved from prosecution to persecution. Who among us thought the activist left couldn't possibly be capable of this?
The activist left is under the command of Satan, who will not stop until the end.
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How long can these motherfuckers stall for until they are out of options? Anyone know?
I'm so tired of being outraged at what I see happening in our judicial system, as well as our government, I can't even express it. Bill Barr needs to speak out on this. Every Republican member of Congress should be speaking out on this. The Appellate Court needs to give Sullivan a complete verbal beatdown. I'd like to see POTUS tweet, "What does the deepstate have on Emmet Sullivan?"
The appellate court allowed this to happen when it didn't make their ruling effective immediately instead of the 21 day effective date.That let Sullivan run the clock for 3 more weeks and then ask for a full review at the last minute. This will be pushed past the election by using scheduling delays, oral arguments, filings, etc. Sidney Powell probably should have petitioned the court right after the ruling to ask them to make it effective immediately. She has been right on the money through all this so we'll see if this strategy pays off.
This is a very good point. It plays right into their "delay delay delay" plans.
Why wouldn't he? There's no downside for him. Trump hater with a lifetime appointment - zero risk of ever being removed by impeachment.
We all knew Sullivan was going to do this. He's corrupt and should be removed from the bench.
I’ve never heard of a judge who was so unwilling to let a case go. This is disgusting.
Not surprised. What did everyone think when they started saying "By Any Means Necessary "?
The left is not going to give us our country back without a fight.
Sites like TD.win and our community here are more important than ever.
Don't just vote. Show up to protest. Get everyone around you to talk about this. Talk politics at the office and don't be bullied.
Can congress impeach a judge? And if they can why the actual fuck haven’t they.
Democrats want this and Republicans are scared.
The House, controlled by Nancy Pelosi, would have to vote to impeach first. Only then would the Senate hold a trial and vote to remove.
How is this legal? When does it get shit on by a higher court?
The left wants to disarm us and disband the cops, because to them the law isnt meant to protect us, but it should be a means to pursue people who arent leftists.
If cops were hunting down conservatives and Trump supporters instead of gang members and looters, they'd increase their budget instead of disbanding them.
That's a little extreme. Perhaps just disbarment.
Judge can't handle the idea of being wrong.
this mfer can't take a hint
Sullivan will be killed if Flynn walks.
That's what I'm saying
Or at least he's been led to believe that. Killed or extreme shaming.
They are probably trying to get trump to pardon him so they can accuse him of lawlessness. Projection is, after all, what the left does.
Exactly right, this is the only play they have. Hoping for pardon to gaslight but also keeps Flynn muzzled about high crimes and prevents him from being appointed to a position by Trump.
I didn’t know judges could request such things. Oh shit, I forgot, the rules are totally permeable. How could I be so stupid 🤦♂️
This judge needs to be locked up.
What part of 'get fucked' is not getting through to him?
is there any good news today?
Trump is still your President. :)
What. The. Fuck.
This judge needs to be kicked off the bench immediately.
You knew this was coming when he didn't end the case after the appeals court slapped him down severely.
Can somebody explain to me why a judge has a FUCKING LAWYER arguing one side of a case? Is this in any way legal? If not, I'm ready to assemble the militia and report for duty.
From @ shipwreckedcrew on Twitter "the Appeals Court fails to act by the end of the 21 day period then the panel decision is effective. The decision is not stayed only by the filing of a petition. Only the Appeals Ct can stay the mandate...
"In a way, Sullivan taking this step when no judge of the Circuit has called for a vote in over two weeks is a bit of a "stick in the eye" to the Appeals Court. Their silence was letting him know they weren't bothered by Rao's outcome. So he tries to force their hand...
"I think the fact that Sullivan was forced to ask himself -- any judge of the court could have called for a vote without Sullivan's petition -- is an indication that there are not 6 votes to rehear the case."
Sullivan is doing his part nicely to completely undermine the independence of the Judiciary. There's no law degree required to see how absurd this is. The judge has inserted himself into the shoes of the executive branch by refusing to grant the motion to dismiss. Further, Sullivan is ignoring precedent which demands that he dismiss the case unless the prosecution is repeatedly dismissing and refiling charges to harass someone.
As an aside, I saw a strange theory that Sullivan's son had kidnapped and raped a girl, nearly killing her. Story goes that the son got daddy involved, the girl survived, and daddy made it go away. May be worth looking into as it's the only theory I've seen that explains Sullivan's behavior. However, it seems to only be talked about at the fringes so who knows if it has any legs.