I just finished a conversation with my boss' boss, telling me (as nice as he can) to make all my facebook posts both future and past as hidden as possible.
When I asked why, he made it clear. People are having their lives ruined by posting a maga hat and he was looking out for my best interests.
I work for a fortune 500 company, multi-national and my position is pretty damned important (only about 10 people are in my position in a huge multi-national company) and my boss' boss is warning me against having my whole life destroyed.
I can't tell if I should be mad, sad, or terrified.
You should forward to legal counsel and start building your case for when they wrongfully terminate your employment.
And if it is in an "at will" employment state, they legally need no reason.
Oh, so in an at-willl state can I fire someone for being gay?
If they're smart they won't give you a reason for termination. "It's not working out, see ya."
That's why the idea of documenting this call is a really good idea... so you can lay the papertrail that you aren't being fired because "it isn't working out."
Yeah most places will just start treating you like shit so you quit on your own.
"We're eliminating the position."
Political affiliation is a protected class in California. I have a feeling that in practice it's only applied for one side though.
Heh, if I had any of these leftist loony toons working for me, I'd fire 'em. Don't want them working for me. Don't want to work for them. Call it a wall, if you will. ;)
That little tidbit works both ways. "Welcome to the interview, firstly what are your views on Trump?" Don't like what they say, warn them about not letting the door hit their libtarded ass on the way out.
For no reason. Not for any reason.
No, that is protected federally. Your political views are not.
Technically, you can. You just don’t say the real reason. Just use random excuses.
And they'd be stupid to even provide one in those states.
Every state is at will and it doesn’t mean what you think it means.
Montana is the only exception.
He won't be fired. That's not how this works. If they had the power to outright fire him, they would have. Instead, they create a hostile work environment with the goal of getting him to resign, or to confess. If he confesses to something, then that might be taken to a firing authority. See the survival guide
"At will" employment laws only refer to firing. Just because your employer as the right to fire you, that doesn't relieve them of their other obligations before they do so. The employer could get fucked if, for example, they create a hostile work environment, or if they fail to prevent other employees from doing so.
If things start heading down that direction, he'll want to talk to a lawyer about the best ways to document and report
I'm a firm believer that most companies will not fire you unless they really have too to avoid lawsuits and or paying out unemployment benefits for termination.
If the person quits instead, nothing has to be paid out.
It's not that simple. Consult an employment attorney who knows how to MAGA.
It is in CA.
Oh - but don't worry - they don't give any fucks about the law there.
Sure they do - it depends if the criminal is an approved class member.
Painting graffitti in the street is celebrated, but painting over graffitti in the street is a crime. Tearing down statues of white people is great, putting up a paper sign that says its ok to be white is a crime. And so on.
It was put in place to protect people who were Democrats.
Now the tables have turned and they are wanting to get rid of the law because more republicans are filing discrimination lawsuits.
Oh the irony.
Think for a second.
Its good that private companies are not forced to keep insane people on staff.
Your political affiliation should not be protected.
If I hire a person and they turn out to be an insane SJW problem, we need the ability to part ways with them.
Yes this cuts both ways.
And yes there needs to be FEWER protected classes not more.
Moral of the story: Work for a small/medium sized business owned by a conservative. Most business owners are conservatives.
Working for the government or a massive Fortune 500 company is a big risk if you're a conservative... even moreso if you're white, male and straight. Good luck ever getting promoted.
Conservative business owners are the best people to work for tbh.
They really dont care what your beliefs are as long as you are producing.
I could argue politics all day, but if i'm working tickets and exceeding my quotas, they dont give a flying fuck.
I'd rather work for a place that I can be free to say what I want to say about stuff, than work for a place that I have to watch what I say and what I do at every second.
That’s not true at all. I’m all of the above and I have worked at a Fortune 500 company for well over a decade and I’ve been promoted 3 times. Hard work pays. Yeah it leans left but I keep my politics to myself. People here have the same kind of perception of corporate America as the left wing has of rich people. I’m not saying shady shit Like people who don’t deserve promotions get promoted doesn’t happen, it certainly does, and there is definitely virtue signaling fuckery. I will state it has had a minimal impact on myself and my similar peers other than being just an annoyance.
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I do recommend you delete or at least making your social media private though. Don’t ever friend coworkers. Even if you think you can trust them you can’t. Social media is rotten garbage anyway and not worth it.
Ding ding ding!
And the smaller they are, the closer you are to accessing management if there's an issue, and the more important to them you are as an employee because you do a larger percentage of the total workload. All around more respect for people because they are seen as people, not worker bee #1984.
i.e. Firing 1 employee in a corporation of 2000 means 0.05% of workload loss or spread across the other 1999, increasing pressure to a "whopping" 0.050025% of the workload for each employee. Firing 1 employee in a small business of 10 means 10% of workload loss or spread across the remaining 9, increasing pressure to 11.11% of the total workload when they already did a big chunk of it.
That's a much bigger adjustment for the small company to deal with, so they are less willing to fire people as easily in general, let alone over politics, since they have fewer resources to spare on unemployment (or a lawsuit). That also means they are much more likely to put in their due diligence before & during hiring to ensure efficiency & to hire people who are less likely to be problematic, resulting in an overall better work environment in terms of behavior, fairness, and overall jive.
That might mean more stress when you fuck up or another employee does, since you/they will stick out more, but that also means it is more likely to be resolved quickly instead of dragging on for months or years & less overall stress dealing with fuck-ups and/or unfairly taking on their associated workload.
The ideal would be for the company to prove that someone's ideology is interfering with their work. If a rabid SJW just can't stop calling all their co-workers a Nazi, that would definitely classify.
But we know the law won't do that, it will just pushing "equally" (which really just means the ideology that is offensive for the day, such as liking Trump)
No offense but you need to wake the fuck up. Twitter mobs and hysteria are in the driver's seat for companies who have not just a global reach but also those who only span a region in the US. I work for a small organization that has influence across just a few states. Our CEO talks diversity and virtue signals his "african american" kids in internal emails. These are people who know exactly where the popular opinions of the day blow and will harness it to cast their sails and fuck everyone else. If you have worked for a large or even small company that has a board then you know the type of personality that is attracted to the C-suite. They are phony and will throw anyone under the bus for their own edification.
It isn't that it's ok. It's that it isn't illegal.
But what about the right to free speech and association? I agree with you.. if you’re talking on the job then that’s different. But we’re talking about in your own private time, would you seriously fire someone for something that’s not illegal that they are doing in their own private time? For a Facebook post done off work hours with a Biden shirt? We need to get back to the bill of rights, these are rights given by GOD and no one can take them away, not the government and not a corporate oligarchy. And they don’t just magically appear in a courtroom. These are God given rights that no one can take away (or at least that’s how it is supposed to be, but that’s changed recently)
I would fire someone for being pro BLM or pro Antifa, I would not say that is the reason.
At will means at will.
If they were pro Biden I would just realize I made a bad hire and look to replace them because they are retarded.
If I work at a company and that owner hates Trump, I would 100% back his right to fire my ass.
Making political class a protected class is a BAD idea, along with all the other protected classes.
Yep. I have another comment on this thread. Shit rolls downhill but the cock sucking goes up. Board type companies are simply cashing in on the thought du jour regardless of where facts over feelings lay. This is in the leadership who only care about their perception because that is the name of the game. Idealists who think that I made the company x profitable or efficient get thrown to the wolves at the drop of a hat. These days usually a MAGA hat.
Just to clear, you own, based, legal counsel... Sure you know this, but for everyone else, never trust corporate HR, a pool attorney or some prepaid legal schmuck