If we stopped guaranteeing student loans we'd probably see a lot less lenders willing to take a risk on people majoring in grievance studies.
Even then, the woke nonsense has already been bleeding into STEM for years. Would love to see some reforms before another generation of Americans is sabotaged.
If they have to pay the bank back for educating someone in a garbage degree that doesn't have any market in the real world, then they'll stop allowing anyone who shows up with the money to get a PhD in gender fluid shift juice studies.
Nah, just stop federally guaranteeing a loan. If you want to learn something that I know, I will happily teach you and take your money. What you do with the knowledge afterward is up to you. If you are willing to pay me to learn everything I know about advanced Settlers of Catan strategy, so be it. It's your money. I shouldn't ever be on the hook for you being dumb enough to think you can make a career out of that.
But the bank that actually loans you the money? They should be very concerned that you will not be able to pay it back. Right now they don't give two shits because if you can't, the government will.
I agree with the thought here. What I'd like to address is the university not giving a shit what people are going to do with their shit diplomas.
Right now a university will give you a masters in gender theory, and if you can't find a job they'll suggest the solution is you need to pay them more for a PhD in gender theory.
If you bought a car that couldn't be used to transport you around, the dealer would have to refund you.
Other than having some alumni success stories to share, the university really doesn't have any obligation to make sure that what they sold you (sometimes for $100K+) actually does what it is suppose to do (provide you with the foundation to successfully enter your desired career field).
actually does what it is suppose to do (provide you with the foundation to successfully enter your desired career field).
I think I would simply disagree that what it is "supposed" to do is what you think it will do.
In my mind an education is nothing more than information in your head, and a degree is nothing more than a piece of paper verifying that said information is in your head and remains there.
What you do with that information is on you, not them. I don't disagree at all that they are shady as shit with trying to convince you to get advanced degrees in the same field, but those are frequently handled not via loans but via grants and aid packages.
Ralph Waldo Emerson was on this shit in the 1800s: "There is a class of persons to whom by all spiritual affinity i am bought and sold; for them i will go to prison, if need be; but your miscellaneous popular charities; the education at college of fools; the building of meeting-houses to the vain end to which many now stand; alms to sots; and the thousandfold Relief Societies; - though i confess with shame i sometimes succumb and give the dollar, it is a wicked dollar which by and by i shall have the manhood to withhold.
Those "studies" programs have very small enrollments and humanities have been declining for decades. Most students enter into job training type degree.
Humanities have been declining because there isn't any humanities left -- the studies gutted them. This happened for once and all about 20 years ago -- started before then, but the nail went into the coffin at that point.
Granted, the humanities were never supposed to be a big school to begin with: you only need so many degree canidates, but their purpose was very important for the 100/200 classes -- civ. classes, ethics, logic...really are helpful in creating a graduate with a specialty + some broad knowledge.
The old survey and intro. classes were great and taught a lot of general broad information -- and they could be a blast as these were non-major students, but it's been a long time since they were around.
Humanities are on the decline because we don't really teach any; there's little to no worth in those classes. Even composition and rhetoric -- a valuable class really, if I do say so myself -- hasn't been taught in any true form in over a decade.
Uh, no. "Studies" hasn't replaced humanties. Humanities have been on decline because universities turned into job training centers where corporations could outsource a function. Humanities still cling to life at some colleges and universities with very little funding because STEM, healthcare, and business have been prioritized. Conservatives also failed to do anything to address the college problem and simply threw their hands up as faculty became more radical and costs ballooned out of control.
True, conservatives fail to conserve anything -- least of all the traditional liberal arts education.
From what I have seen, the studies did supplant the old humanities, general ed. survey courses (which were the backbone of that department)...and yes, this has largely been due to what you are talking about. Those studies courses are Marxist through and through, but the colleges are after money -- and they know that STEM, healthcare, and business (the 'serious' degrees) plus studies (the "non-serious' courses/degrees) get them that.
There are some hold outs, but for how long is anyone's conjecture -- my money would be on "not for too much longer at this rate".
It doesn't matter how many students actually pursue to programs as a major or minor. They will continue to exist as mandatory general education courses that every student has to take.
It could also be argued that loans lead to more people with degrees in fields that directly compete with others in that field, thereby lowering the market value of that degree. It could also be argued that those excess degree holders are lowering the wages of people who worked 80 hour weeks after class instead of taking loans and are now being asked to pay for the people who weren't willing to work.
Sorry man, you're never going to convince me that my tax dollars should ever go to another adult for any reason except in extreme hardship.
If we stopped guaranteeing student loans we'd probably see a lot less lenders willing to take a risk on people majoring in grievance studies.
Even then, the woke nonsense has already been bleeding into STEM for years. Would love to see some reforms before another generation of Americans is sabotaged.
Make the universities co-sign for student loans.
If they have to pay the bank back for educating someone in a garbage degree that doesn't have any market in the real world, then they'll stop allowing anyone who shows up with the money to get a PhD in gender fluid shift juice studies.
Nah, just stop federally guaranteeing a loan. If you want to learn something that I know, I will happily teach you and take your money. What you do with the knowledge afterward is up to you. If you are willing to pay me to learn everything I know about advanced Settlers of Catan strategy, so be it. It's your money. I shouldn't ever be on the hook for you being dumb enough to think you can make a career out of that.
But the bank that actually loans you the money? They should be very concerned that you will not be able to pay it back. Right now they don't give two shits because if you can't, the government will.
I agree with the thought here. What I'd like to address is the university not giving a shit what people are going to do with their shit diplomas.
Right now a university will give you a masters in gender theory, and if you can't find a job they'll suggest the solution is you need to pay them more for a PhD in gender theory.
If you bought a car that couldn't be used to transport you around, the dealer would have to refund you.
Other than having some alumni success stories to share, the university really doesn't have any obligation to make sure that what they sold you (sometimes for $100K+) actually does what it is suppose to do (provide you with the foundation to successfully enter your desired career field).
I think I would simply disagree that what it is "supposed" to do is what you think it will do.
In my mind an education is nothing more than information in your head, and a degree is nothing more than a piece of paper verifying that said information is in your head and remains there.
What you do with that information is on you, not them. I don't disagree at all that they are shady as shit with trying to convince you to get advanced degrees in the same field, but those are frequently handled not via loans but via grants and aid packages.
Good God this is a fantastic idea. Have the universities financial future depend on the utility of the degree they hand out
Thank ya. As an added benefit if the university graduates someone who just says “fuck it” and doesn’t get a job the university is still on the hook.
Watch admissions all of a sudden start screening potential students for work ethic.
Ralph Waldo Emerson was on this shit in the 1800s: "There is a class of persons to whom by all spiritual affinity i am bought and sold; for them i will go to prison, if need be; but your miscellaneous popular charities; the education at college of fools; the building of meeting-houses to the vain end to which many now stand; alms to sots; and the thousandfold Relief Societies; - though i confess with shame i sometimes succumb and give the dollar, it is a wicked dollar which by and by i shall have the manhood to withhold.
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Those "studies" programs have very small enrollments and humanities have been declining for decades. Most students enter into job training type degree.
Humanities have been declining because there isn't any humanities left -- the studies gutted them. This happened for once and all about 20 years ago -- started before then, but the nail went into the coffin at that point.
Granted, the humanities were never supposed to be a big school to begin with: you only need so many degree canidates, but their purpose was very important for the 100/200 classes -- civ. classes, ethics, logic...really are helpful in creating a graduate with a specialty + some broad knowledge.
The old survey and intro. classes were great and taught a lot of general broad information -- and they could be a blast as these were non-major students, but it's been a long time since they were around. Humanities are on the decline because we don't really teach any; there's little to no worth in those classes. Even composition and rhetoric -- a valuable class really, if I do say so myself -- hasn't been taught in any true form in over a decade.
Uh, no. "Studies" hasn't replaced humanties. Humanities have been on decline because universities turned into job training centers where corporations could outsource a function. Humanities still cling to life at some colleges and universities with very little funding because STEM, healthcare, and business have been prioritized. Conservatives also failed to do anything to address the college problem and simply threw their hands up as faculty became more radical and costs ballooned out of control.
True, conservatives fail to conserve anything -- least of all the traditional liberal arts education. From what I have seen, the studies did supplant the old humanities, general ed. survey courses (which were the backbone of that department)...and yes, this has largely been due to what you are talking about. Those studies courses are Marxist through and through, but the colleges are after money -- and they know that STEM, healthcare, and business (the 'serious' degrees) plus studies (the "non-serious' courses/degrees) get them that.
There are some hold outs, but for how long is anyone's conjecture -- my money would be on "not for too much longer at this rate".
It doesn't matter how many students actually pursue to programs as a major or minor. They will continue to exist as mandatory general education courses that every student has to take.
That isn't the case at many universities. The "diversity" stuff is largely pushed and enforced by administration and student government associations
Education defines a whole culture and worldview perspective!
Why in the fuck should it be the function of a taxpayer to guarantee the loan for some college kid?
It could be argued that loans lead to more students with degrees in fields that boost the GDP and result in you having more money in the end.
So make them dependent on degrees that produce intelligent individuals for jobs that are in demand.
No one needs a gender studies degree, or a degree in intersectionality. They produce nothing but division.
It could also be argued that loans lead to more people with degrees in fields that directly compete with others in that field, thereby lowering the market value of that degree. It could also be argued that those excess degree holders are lowering the wages of people who worked 80 hour weeks after class instead of taking loans and are now being asked to pay for the people who weren't willing to work.
Sorry man, you're never going to convince me that my tax dollars should ever go to another adult for any reason except in extreme hardship.
Then loans should only go to people getting degrees in fields where there is a demand.