I have plenty of "arguments" backed up by real world experience from being in academia. Most of the conservative concepts of what goes on within it are utterly wrong and prevent meaningful reform of the university system.
Why did I have to practically beg you to present a valid argument? You started off with a, "no u" and a, "because I said so" assertion. Not very academic of you.
The reality of higher education is that now the bulk of teaching at large state schools or R1 research institutions is done by adjunct or part time faculty that get paid very little (usually hourly).
That's just blatantly false. Pick any school and look at which professors are offering which classes. It's just simply not true.
I'm sure you'll dismiss this as them getting what they deserve.
I'm not entirely sure as to what you're trying to imply here, but whatever it is, it has no place in a genuine discussion.
This causes poor instruction across the board because these people are barely staying afloat financially yet have to take up more of the teaching burdens every week.
On what planet are you living? Professors have a choice of what they want to do; Whether that is teaching or research, and how they balance that is largely up to them when they negotiate for their job. Even part time professors at the schools I have previously checked make a minimum of 40k and up.
Most academics never secure a tenure track position, even in STEM, and the 70k number you cited is an exceptionally good salary for a state school.
That's just not true. I know someone personally who graduated not two years ago and is already making 70k as his starting salary. It's literally public record.
The higher end salaries are for people that end up getting the tenured position (most don't)
How could you possibly imply that teachers don't often become tenured? Yeah no shit it takes a few years of experience to obtain, but that's the whole fucking point, isn't it?
Not to mention that if a college is located in a large city 70-120k a year is relatively little especially if someone has a family.
That's vastly higher than the median household income of America. For you to imply that this is, "relatively little" is just asinine. Teaching is not an incredibly hard job; Why are you acting as if professors are entitled to million dollar salaries for doing minimal effort, ESPECIALLY when they can't be fired after a while? That's ignoring the dozens upon dozens of other perks that they are subject to.
Administration is paid far more while they outsource teaching more and more to those underpaid adjuncts, who cannot teach effectively in many cases for the reasons I mentioned. Universities have expanded administrative positions and then cut full time teaching staff.
So, ignoring the validity of this premise, what purpose does this serve the school? Surely if they are doing it, it must be at least in theory beneficial to them.
The cliche of the professor working "2 to 4 hours a week" is also wrong,
I'd love to know where you got, "2 to 4 hours a week" from. That's never been mentioned here. But more importantly, they work FAR fewer hours than any comparable job.
because of greater demand professors have to teach extra classes without the equivalent of overtime in many cases.
You mean like if they were tenured? I thought just earlier you were saying that not many professors obtain a tenureship? Part time and assistant professors are often paid depending on how many classes/students/hours they teach and research, so surely you're not referring to them.
Plus at most universities these professors are doing advising, grading, and the work needed to get published so that they can advance professionally.
You mean doing what they're getting paid to do? Wow, what heroes. /s
None of that is a 2 to 4 hour a week job.
It is tremendously less work than any comparable job to these salaries. They have a large influence on their own schedule/hours, they can assign their own work at their own pace, take days off as they please, and after a few years of loyalty, they can't be fired. all while making tons of money, taking extreme leisure in their student interactions, and enjoying the benefits that come from the school environment.
Why did I have to practically beg you to present a valid argument? You started off with a, "no u" and a, "because I said so" assertion. Not very academic of you.
That's just blatantly false. Pick any school and look at which professors are offering which classes. It's just simply not true.
I'm not entirely sure as to what you're trying to imply here, but whatever it is, it has no place in a genuine discussion.
On what planet are you living? Professors have a choice of what they want to do; Whether that is teaching or research, and how they balance that is largely up to them when they negotiate for their job. Even part time professors at the schools I have previously checked make a minimum of 40k and up.
That's just not true. I know someone personally who graduated not two years ago and is already making 70k as his starting salary. It's literally public record.
How could you possibly imply that teachers don't often become tenured? Yeah no shit it takes a few years of experience to obtain, but that's the whole fucking point, isn't it?
That's vastly higher than the median household income of America. For you to imply that this is, "relatively little" is just asinine. Teaching is not an incredibly hard job; Why are you acting as if professors are entitled to million dollar salaries for doing minimal effort, ESPECIALLY when they can't be fired after a while? That's ignoring the dozens upon dozens of other perks that they are subject to.
So, ignoring the validity of this premise, what purpose does this serve the school? Surely if they are doing it, it must be at least in theory beneficial to them.
I'd love to know where you got, "2 to 4 hours a week" from. That's never been mentioned here. But more importantly, they work FAR fewer hours than any comparable job.
You mean like if they were tenured? I thought just earlier you were saying that not many professors obtain a tenureship? Part time and assistant professors are often paid depending on how many classes/students/hours they teach and research, so surely you're not referring to them.
You mean doing what they're getting paid to do? Wow, what heroes. /s
It is tremendously less work than any comparable job to these salaries. They have a large influence on their own schedule/hours, they can assign their own work at their own pace, take days off as they please, and after a few years of loyalty, they can't be fired. all while making tons of money, taking extreme leisure in their student interactions, and enjoying the benefits that come from the school environment.
Yeah, woe is a teacher.