There are plenty of Democrats, Independents, and other "fence-sitter" types out there. It is time to start talking past the corporate narratives and to them directly. Tell them you are interested in learning their views and listen to them. Respond carefully and share your concerns fairly. Ask them to consider, ask them to reconsider, and do not allow corporate narratives to dominate your conversation.
Get into convictions and root issues, offer real solutions to liberal challenges. Promise a bright future and ask them to join you and a few other supporters for a greater discussion. Be the bipartisan bridge the MSM pretends they are.
Well, this is actually a common error. When you purchase a gun online, it will only be shipped to someone with a Federal Firearms License that allows them to sell it. The sale is recorded. The gun never gets to your door without you going to the store and showing ID, getting a background check ran, and picking it up in person (as well as paying a fee for that service).
Thanks very much for the great resource. I didn't know any of this. With all this in mind, should the background checks be expanded? I would like to make it harder for school shootings to take place, but I worry that expanding the background checks would infringe on the ordinary citizen's ability to purchase guns.
I'm going to assume you're kinda new to the gun world based on your comment.
First, the term "assault-type" weapon is mostly used to scare the public into thinking it's a super scary gun that will attack people. They are rifles. Assault rifle is a very specific firearm:
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use
Civilians cannot own automatic firearms without jumping through very difficult and expensive hoops.
Second, buying online is no different than buying in person. The lower receiver is what is defined as the "gun" and you still have to pass a background check and get it sent to an FFL dealer in order to actually receive it.
So before you suggest more regulation, maybe look at what is already out there. One of the reasons we have some of the absolutely stupid laws that we currently do is because a large number of the population is completely ignorant on the subject and have never bothered to exercise their 2A rights.
I am fairly new, yes, I've only shot a few times recreationally.
Thanks for your comments, I indeed did need to do more research to educate myself. Some of the other comments on this thread were very helpful. I wonder what you think about expanding the background checks. It seems like the best way to prevent bad actors from acquiring guns, but I'm worried it would infringe on the ordinary American's ability to get them.
Always happy to help new folks get into guns, friend. I'm a huge proponent of every law-abiding citizen being armed and trained (in shooting, safety, and laws).
As for background checks, I think they're good the way they are.
This article explains what is currently examined during a background check:
In order to purchase a gun from a federal firearms licensed dealer (FFL), a consumer must provide identification and pass a federal background check using the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ 4473 form.
The first page of the document requires basic information, including the buyer’s full name, address, sex, birthday and ethnicity. A Social Security number is encouraged, but not required.
The form also asks the buyer about criminal background, immigration status and mental health — information that could result in a consumer being denied. Those questions include:
Have you ever been convicted in any court of a felony, or any other crime for which the judge could have imprisoned you for more than one year, even if you received a shorter sentence including probation?
Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug or any other controlled substance?
Have you been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions?
Have you ever been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence?
Lying on the federal form is a felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine, an ATF spokesperson confirmed to Fox News. That penalty is also listed at the top of the form.
Once the form is completed, the dealer will submit it to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) online or by phone. Then, almost immediately, the licensed seller will know how to continue with the sale:
Proceed: If NICS indicates the seller can proceed, then the sale can continue.
Canceled or Denied: Should NICS mark the form as “canceled” or “denied,” the seller cannot legally sell the firearm to the buyer. Michael Smith, the vice president of marketing and media for Upstate Armory Group, a firearm dealer in Simpsonville, S.C., told Fox News he generally provides the customer with contact information for a local lawyer who handles restoration of firearm rights in case the failed background check is erroneous. There have been times police have arrived at the gun shop to arrest the customer who legally cannot purchase a gun, Smith said.
Delayed: If the background check elicits a “delayed” response from NICS, the seller cannot complete the transaction for at least three business days. Unless a specific “denied” designation is issued, the seller will be able to complete the transaction with the customer after that period elapses, under federal law.
Do you have an example of how it should be expanded?
Another thing we need to be doing is taking all of our friends shooting. I'm investing in a new 4x4 and some really great outdoor cookware. So, the opposite of what you're saying.
We should also be working towards getting sport shooting back into schools and teach firearms safety along with proper scouting again.
Before this we probably need to dig our heels in very deep on forcing the left to reconcile criminals with the crimes they commit and the policies our system has which creates, enables, or tolerates them.
Thanks very much for the thoughts. I've only shot a few times and certainly actually doing it changed how I felt about it.
What do you mean by your last paragraph? Are you advocating for stricter punishments?
I mean specifically that the the neoliberal and the liberal need to come to the table and discuss the behaviors of the criminals they themselves have created. That gun control is an excuse used to circumvent discussions on their own failed policies as well as the reality surrounding the human condition.
Some things are inevitible as horrible as they are. The left is just dishonest about their intentions which is why they lie or ignore some of these horrible realities.
Conservatives, for all their clumsy attempts at pointing this out, are vastly unprepared for this debate. It is too easy for the left to stand on the graves of dead children without having to debate how those very lives ended up buried in the ground. This is a place where politically the modern left has to be brought to heel and forced to face what it has created.
There are plenty of Democrats, Independents, and other "fence-sitter" types out there. It is time to start talking past the corporate narratives and to them directly. Tell them you are interested in learning their views and listen to them. Respond carefully and share your concerns fairly. Ask them to consider, ask them to reconsider, and do not allow corporate narratives to dominate your conversation.
Get into convictions and root issues, offer real solutions to liberal challenges. Promise a bright future and ask them to join you and a few other supporters for a greater discussion. Be the bipartisan bridge the MSM pretends they are.
Well, this is actually a common error. When you purchase a gun online, it will only be shipped to someone with a Federal Firearms License that allows them to sell it. The sale is recorded. The gun never gets to your door without you going to the store and showing ID, getting a background check ran, and picking it up in person (as well as paying a fee for that service).
detail: https://www.pewpewtactical.com/how-buy-gun-online/
Thanks very much for the great resource. I didn't know any of this. With all this in mind, should the background checks be expanded? I would like to make it harder for school shootings to take place, but I worry that expanding the background checks would infringe on the ordinary citizen's ability to purchase guns.
I'm going to assume you're kinda new to the gun world based on your comment.
First, the term "assault-type" weapon is mostly used to scare the public into thinking it's a super scary gun that will attack people. They are rifles. Assault rifle is a very specific firearm:
Civilians cannot own automatic firearms without jumping through very difficult and expensive hoops.
Second, buying online is no different than buying in person. The lower receiver is what is defined as the "gun" and you still have to pass a background check and get it sent to an FFL dealer in order to actually receive it.
So before you suggest more regulation, maybe look at what is already out there. One of the reasons we have some of the absolutely stupid laws that we currently do is because a large number of the population is completely ignorant on the subject and have never bothered to exercise their 2A rights.
I am fairly new, yes, I've only shot a few times recreationally.
Thanks for your comments, I indeed did need to do more research to educate myself. Some of the other comments on this thread were very helpful. I wonder what you think about expanding the background checks. It seems like the best way to prevent bad actors from acquiring guns, but I'm worried it would infringe on the ordinary American's ability to get them.
Always happy to help new folks get into guns, friend. I'm a huge proponent of every law-abiding citizen being armed and trained (in shooting, safety, and laws).
As for background checks, I think they're good the way they are.
This article explains what is currently examined during a background check:
Do you have an example of how it should be expanded?
Another thing we need to be doing is taking all of our friends shooting. I'm investing in a new 4x4 and some really great outdoor cookware. So, the opposite of what you're saying.
We should also be working towards getting sport shooting back into schools and teach firearms safety along with proper scouting again.
Before this we probably need to dig our heels in very deep on forcing the left to reconcile criminals with the crimes they commit and the policies our system has which creates, enables, or tolerates them.
Thanks very much for the thoughts. I've only shot a few times and certainly actually doing it changed how I felt about it. What do you mean by your last paragraph? Are you advocating for stricter punishments?
I mean specifically that the the neoliberal and the liberal need to come to the table and discuss the behaviors of the criminals they themselves have created. That gun control is an excuse used to circumvent discussions on their own failed policies as well as the reality surrounding the human condition.
Some things are inevitible as horrible as they are. The left is just dishonest about their intentions which is why they lie or ignore some of these horrible realities.
Conservatives, for all their clumsy attempts at pointing this out, are vastly unprepared for this debate. It is too easy for the left to stand on the graves of dead children without having to debate how those very lives ended up buried in the ground. This is a place where politically the modern left has to be brought to heel and forced to face what it has created.